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“How many Iraqis have to die before it is front page news?” asks Tim Lambert. “The Washington Post buried the story of 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq on page A12.”
Er, no they didn’t:
UPDATE. In other doofus developments, reader Richard M. emails:
So you think that there have only been 547 deaths in the whole of Iraq since the illegal invasion began ... REALLY? You aren’t that ignorant are you??
Well, no, as any not-insane reader would realise. Although the number is as likely as Lancet’s 654,965.
That’s pretty dramatic news!
I wonder why the figure wasn’t splashed across the front page as a major headline?
Reminds me of the recent media blackout in the UK on the neo-Nazi terrorists who were caught with the largest haul of bomb-making chemicals in the UK’s history, a rocket launcher and a NBC suit.
I guess this could be contributing -
terrorist targetsWell at least they can’t say they weren’t warned.
# 7. Why are these people dying?
Who is killing them?
If the US left would the death toll fall markedly?Some obvious answers that escape the left.
They are dying because the US and its allies invaded and trashed their country.
They are being killed by Coalition forces and the Islamic terrorists who previously did not have Iraq as a huge battlefield, training camp, recruitment poster.
If the Coalition left then yes its possible that the violence would diminish.
Almost 80 percent of all attacks in Iraq target coalition forces
If the Coalition left then yes its possible that the violence would diminish.
I guess that explains why even some on the left in the USA are coming to the conclusion that the US can’t ethically pull out any time soon.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 10 12 at 04:22 AM • permalinkReminds me of the recent media blackout in the UK on the neo-Nazi terrorists who were caught with the largest haul of bomb-making chemicals in the UK’s history, a rocket launcher and a NBC suit.
Thinkig about it, I guess the mainstream media wasn’t screaming about this story is that the terrorists weren’t Muslim. (sigh) When willthe media cease its bigoted demonisation of Muslims?!
Kilo, want help with that strawman you’re beating up?
Here, let me hold his torso, while you work the stomach.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 10 12 at 04:33 AM • permalink#15 - You’re talking to yourself, again, numbnuts.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 12 at 04:35 AM • permalinkBut not you, eh, kilo? You’re right, right? Everyone else is wrong, right?
Trashed their country? What, kilo, are you talking about digging up the “trash” dumps of Saddam’s mass graves? What have you to say of those?
Exposing the noisome corruption of the UN and “anti-war” left that milked the Oil for Food program to their profit whilst the graves filled? That trash?
Oh, and where would you rather the Islamic terrorists situated their training grounds, hmmm?
I think these are legitimate questions, kilo, and I would call upon you to answer them as best you can.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 12 at 04:35 AM • permalinkHey, I think he might actually win that argument, Infidel Tiger.
Maybe.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 10 12 at 04:36 AM • permalinkQuentin, kilo doesn’t know if he’s coming, going or changing hands.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 12 at 04:38 AM • permalink15.
Probably the same time they actually get their own shit together and join the 21st century. hell at the moment even the 17th would be an improvement.
They (Middle East) are sitting on a resource that should see the vast majority of the people living well, and wanting for nothing.
Instead we are treated to mass emmigration, violence and a death cult all from the same region. The region still tollerates women as chattel, men as slaves and theocracy, dictarorship, and one party rule as the norm.
Winnie gives the reason better than I ever could.“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).”Care to point out any changes in the 100 or so years since that was written kilo?
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 12 at 04:39 AM • permalinkBut not you, eh, kilo? You’re right, right? Everyone else is wrong, right?
Probably.
Trashed their country? What, kilo, are you talking about digging up the “trash” dumps of Saddam’s mass graves? What have you to say of those?
(sigh) oh i don’t know…I’ll go ask the CIA and US State Department and ask them why they put those horrible people in power in the first place. While I’m there I’ll ask them about the “trash dumps” of Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala etc etc…
Exposing the noisome corruption of the UN and “anti-war” left that milked the Oil for Food program to their profit whilst the graves filled? That trash?
Where’s my money then? And…the UN is anti-war?!
Oh, and where would you rather the Islamic terrorists situated their training grounds, hmmm?
Ha! I don’t know, what’s the next country you propose should be handed over to them? i hear they are doing a roaring trade in Afghanistan again…
I think these are legitimate questions, kilo, and I would call upon you to answer them as best you can.
They ain’t, but I did it anyway.
:-)
They (Middle East) are sitting on a resource that should see the vast majority of the people living well, and wanting for nothing.
Instead we are treated to mass emmigration, violence and a death cult all from the same region. The region still tollerates women as chattel, men as slaves and theocracy, dictarorship, and one party rule as the norm.Yeah, I dunno…maybe all that will change when the US stops supporting those countries…
25. What does that fatuous and nonsensical comment mean, realy?
Ceasing all trade?
Refusing to share intelligence info?
Refusing to sell goods?
Refusing to allow emmigration?
Are you so bound up in the bogeyman of AmeriKKKa that nothing happens without their involvement?Silly, boring,predictable, troll.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 12 at 04:50 AM • permalinkI’ve read on other threads that, kilo was a “cute” troll. I find it to be a loathsome, offensive, cloth eared bint.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 12 at 04:52 AM • permalink33. And the magical pink unicorn will appear and everyone will be happy again?
Cant be bothered you have the debating skills of a claw hammer.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 12 at 04:59 AM • permalinkWell, Infidel Tiger, I have to agree. I admit to foolishness in attempting to engage in debate with a parrot, and one with so limited a vocabulary at that.
Don’t (sigh) yourself into bronchopulmonary dysplasia, kilo, as you repeat the same eminently refutable craptoids. They simply won’t work here.
For myself, I shall disengage and go wash my hands.
I haven’t felt compelled to phrase my final words thusly since LLL (sigh)ed at us in similar style:
kilo, you are a complete and utter twat.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 12 at 05:08 AM • permalink“(sigh) oh i don’t know…I’ll go ask the CIA and US State Department and ask them why they put those horrible people in power in the first place. “
The CIA and US state Dept. did not put those people in place. And for the record, neither has the US been a major source or arms for Saddam. Historical illiterate.
Posted by niobium2000 on 2006 10 12 at 05:52 AM • permalinkIt’s the 21st century. They lie and print hogwash as news, rather than actually killing their opposition.
People take it all in, and then vote.
Ridicule and recriminations fly. People threaten to live somewhere else.
Iraq just happens to still have 8th century religions trying to settle things at the same time.
That in itself just adds to the recrimination pool in the 21st century.
As long as Bush doesn’t leave before the job is done, it doesn’t matter.
Apparently Tim has accepted the Lancet findings along with the rest of us on the “Right”?
High concentration of genuises over at Quiggins!Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 10 12 at 05:58 AM • permalinkKilo - well, if the state department and CIA are so goshdarned powerful, why don’t they work their regime-installing magic on Libya, Zmbabwe, North Korea, Sudan….
Could you at least quote some evidence - facts not unsupported Chomskyite allegations - that Saddam was placed in power by the State department and/or CIA.
I’m looking for the kind of evidence we have for the installation of Pinochet, things like that, where the CIA really did have a hand in it.
While you’re at it, quote the weapons the US sold to Iraq while Saddam was in power. 12 unarmed helicopters, if I remember correctly, not exactly a corncupia of weaponry. Look at the facts. Then reply.
Thank you for bringing some commonsense to the table kilo.
Say Timbonauts, if Saddam was so bad, try explaining the “thanks and respect” so clearly evident in this here letter
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 10 12 at 06:53 AM • permalinkFacts, arguments, data, evidence? Zoe, please remember who you’re dealing with here. You don’t want to damage poor kilo’s self-esteem.
kilo, it’s ok, a crayon drawing on a piece of butcher’s paper will suffice. Just like high school…
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 10 12 at 07:42 AM • permalink48.
You mean on the right side?? Thats a trick question.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 12 at 09:11 AM • permalinkTalking about Guatemala and Nicaragua and Chile etc. without providing the context of the Cold War, Soviet expansionism, Cuban adventurism and all the rest is rather naive. True, the U.S. could have held out until it had identified some certified Boy Scouts to oppose Communism in these places, but I suspect we’d be searching still.
That’s pretty funny kilo. I really can’t imagine what thinking the way you think must be like. I’d probably have killed myself if I were you.
Anyhow, back to your earlier post about how we are trashing Iraq. Since you appear to be in a factual deficit, I thought you might need some. Here are SOME FACTS (and unlike leftist facts these are TRUE and verifiable – if you care to check)Since you aren’t here for debate I’m wasting my time, but others here might find some actual facts refreshing.
Good to see you commenting again Texas Bob!
On to the CIA installed Saddam regime: It is the stupidest argument and I am tired of it. Not because it is false, but because even supposing it were true it’s stupid. Let’s for a minute assume that it is in fact, well, a fact. Because someone at the CIA or even the president at that time, if you want, installed a murderous dictator, all subsequent administrations must continue to prop him up? The US as an entity is in fact continuous, but the government is not. Administrations reverse policies all the time, this is not hypocrisy. There would be no point electing anyone if all we had to do was robotically continue the previous policies. Think of W as correcting a problem caused by some previous administration: Saddam should never have been there, so W removed him.
Does this really need to be pointed out? (sigh) Apparently…
Posted by Not My Problem on 2006 10 12 at 10:33 AM • permalink“How many Iraqis have to die before it is front page news?”
1,273,596.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 10 12 at 10:40 AM • permalinkRule #17: Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. It’s the vibe, as they say.
Posted by Simon Darkshade on 2006 10 12 at 10:44 AM • permalinkI see the thread degenerated into the usual slap-and-tickle with kilo. Honestly, why even bother responding to him? He hates America, he hates the West, and he will never accept mere facts as proof that he is wrong. He should be accorded the same treatment given any crazy wild-haired guy in the subway: keep your distance and don’t make eye contact.
In the words of Basil Fawlty, we’ll have a whip-round!
Posted by Simon Darkshade on 2006 10 12 at 11:02 AM • permalinkCursives on the front page of the Washington Post! What has the world come to?
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 12 at 11:39 AM • permalinkDuring a lull in the jihad against the despised Crusader Marines in al Anbar province, three mujahideen set down their AKs and RPGs and lean back against the rubble:
Achmed: Hey brothers, good news. Did you hear that the Christian pigs have sent 654,965 righteous Muslims to Paradise? Minus the women, of course. Who knows where they go.
Farouk: Surely that is glorious news. And the number, so high! Is it possible to even count this high?
Ali, sighing: To hear the pair of you talk is like listening to the village dogs yapping. Don’t you know that counting was invented in Baghdad?
Farouk: Well, if you are so smart, my brother, then tell us how one counts to a number that is so large.
Ali: It is quite simple. It is called al-Jibra, and it was invented by a brother known as Chaka Khan during the first Caliphate. The calculation is performed thusly. One determines the desired number of martyrs, which in this case is 654,965. One then takes the available number of death certificates in Iraq, which is 547, and multiplies that number times X.
Achmed: What is X?
Ali: Don’t be impertinent. It is known only to Allah.
Achmed: Forgive me, my brother, but you are as ignorant as a camel bag full of gerbils. This calculation to which you refer is called al-Fiziqs, and it was invented by A.Q. Khan of Karachi, father of the Islamic bomb.
Farouk: Both of you are like dung beetles, rolling up little balls of manure. When is the last time a Pakistani produced anything useful? Listen to me. Al-Fiziqs is the false work of the Jew Einstein, who slaughtered 6 million of his own people and blamed the Arabs. This is why Israel exists today.
Ali: Who are you calling a dung beetle, you yammering Kuwaiti rug merchant. I’ll teach you how to count!
Cartoon explosion and clouds, with Nike sneakers and fists protruding. Smoke clears to reveal Achmed, Farouk and Ali with black eyes, oversized cartoon plasters and tweeting bird circling their heads. Enter USMC patrol.
Jarhead Joe: One ... two ... three. Three insurgents.
Gene the Gyrene: That would be three zipties. One ... two ... three.
Leatherneck Luke: But only one trip to Abu Ghraib. One.
Gene the Gyrene: Damn!
Jarhead Joe: See? I told you I could make three plus three equal one.Posted by crittenden on 2006 10 12 at 11:52 AM • permalink“They are dying because the US and its allies invaded and trashed their country.”
Don’t dish it out, if you can’t take it.
The Iraqis had no problem exporting war to Israel, Iran and Kuwait in the past, so they have no legitimate bitch now that they’re in the war importing business (especially since most of them are getting whacked out by their own guys, i.e. other Iraqis).
I also have no sympathy for a nation that was supporting terror groups like the MEK, the PLF, and the FRC, all of whom murdered my countrymen in cold blood.
Now, they’re doing the dying instead of guys like Leon Klinghoffer?
Tough luck.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 12 at 12:14 PM • permalink“I’ll go ask the CIA and US State Department and ask them why they put those horrible people in power in the first place.”
Because the CIA was operating in Iraq, it therefore follows that Saddam Hussein was put into power by the United States.
Because the Cheka/KGB was operating in the United States in the 1940s and 1950s it therefore follows that Harry Truman was put into power by the Soviet Union.
Left wing = Coo coo.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 12 at 12:36 PM • permalinkkilo really loves that “the US was solely responsible for installing Saddam” talking point, doesn’t he. Trotted it out on at least four threads that I can remember. And we had such high hopes…from marginally interesting to poor man’s blogparrot in less than a week, that’s just sad. Even worse that the talking points are all three+ years old and have been smashed around here 654,965 ways from Sunday.
Hey, I see kilo responded to a request of mine several threads ago…as usual, he evaded every single point, and finished with this beauty (responding to my “so, what would you have done in 1990?” question):
Why do I need to come up with an alternative to Operation Desert Storm? I didn’t create the mess in the first place.
And people say leftoids are fundamentally unserious and have no credible ideas to offer. Can’t imagine where everyone’s getting that impression.
Well kilo, you really need to stop trying to play with the grown-ups here until you feel like offering something constructive. Mindless screeching from the sidelines may be acceptable on the Left (heck, it seems to be practically encouraged), but we really do have higher standards here. Unless you’re able to become a pet troll like bongoman, but so far you’re far too repetitive for that. It’s like somebody faxed you the party-approved talking points, and the machine choked after page 2.
Is kilo the resident troll here?
Bless him/her
Just keeps coming back for more
Must be a masochist really
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 10 12 at 01:02 PM • permalinkTHIS is kilo, remember who you are typing to. He can’t hear, nor he can see.
Most people bury their heads in sand, as the saying goes, kilo has managed to find a more convenient spot.
And now you know why kilo has such a shitty outlook on, everything.
#73 PW
So he’s only a new little troll then - still on P plates here
#74 El Cid
LOL! Haved saved this pic to send to a lefty friend who will not appreciate it
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 10 12 at 01:10 PM • permalink#77 El Cid
Unfortunately when I send her this pic I will never hear from her again - but then again she is intent on helping me see the right way to go and it isn’t right - it’s left
She has done a lot of marching in her lifetime :-)
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 10 12 at 01:27 PM • permalinkWe must accept the blame for failing to prevent so many excess deaths. The only reasonable solution is withdrawal, so the people purposefully causing most of those excess deaths can do so without opposition.
Then, maybe, we can meet that 654,000 goal. Of course, all those subsequent deaths will be our responsibility as well.
You sure Richard M. isn’t Richard McEnroe?
Posted by tim maguire on 2006 10 12 at 03:39 PM • permalink#60, crittenden: As much as I enjoy your opinion pieces, your efforts here show how wasted you are doing the mundane.
kilo left after the satisfying stroke by EliotNess. Being used to mere self-gratification, kilo must take the time to catch his/her breath. I hate to toss cold water on the scene, but MentalFloss’s questions were not answered, easily or otherwise.
Geez, the world seems to be overflowing with silly gits.
Thinkig about it, I guess the mainstream media wasn’t screaming about this story is that the terrorists weren’t Muslim. (sigh) When will the media cease its bigoted demonisation of Muslims?!
I dunno. When they stop sawing off heads, slitting stewardess’s throats, flying planeloads of innocents into skyscrapers, shooting nuns, stoning wives for adultery, killing girls for being raped, keeping schoolgirls in burning dormitories so nobody sees them in their nightgowns, machinegunning children in the back, throwing cripples overboard from ocean liners, executing homosexuals…?
Is this a trick question?
I’m very fucking sure Richard M. isn’t Richard McEnroe. Next question?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 12 at 08:13 PM • permalink#87 Your figures are way under even the most conservative of estimates.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 13 at 02:38 AM • permalinkI note the Lancet report makes no mention of the EXCESS Iraqi lives that have gone on since their dear psychopathic murderous leader was dragged by the ear out of the rathole he called home some time ago; and his equally psychopathic murderous sons were finally fed the healthy diet of lead that they so richly deserved. I know this figure of excess Iraqi lives would be difficult to quantify, but the blokes at Lancet should find it a breeze with their highly advanced mathematical skills.
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