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Controlled demolition strikes this weekend’s Sydney Truther Conference:
With regret, Prof Steven E. Jones will be unable to attend due to family health issues.
A pre-recorded talk will be presented. Dr Helen Caldicott is also now unable to attend.
No explanation why. Perhaps Helen’s capacity for dissent has been crushed. But look who the truthic community has brought in to replace her:
Now included as a speaker in the Sydney Conference is Mamdouh Habib, the first Australian civilian to be tortured and incarcerated in the name of the “War on Terror”.
Mamdouh Habib and truth. This isn’t a conference; it’s a collision. Get your tickets now so you don’t miss The Great Mamdouh’s explanation of how Howardite shape-shifters were the real cause of his son’s attempt to get run over by a police car. After Sydney, our heroic truthers hit the road in a song and dance extravaganza:
Providing music at the Maleny event is local singer Barry Charles.
Meet your future audience, Barry. Reader David G. recently encountered this bunch truthing in the sun at Sydney’s Martin Place:
Check the nice line in Trutherwear tops and tote bags. Stylin’ Mamdouh is really gonna dig on those.
UPDATE. “Whoa!” writes Dave S., getting into the investigative spirit. “Check out the goddess coming out of the subway in the first pic.” Further from Big Dan, Jeff S. and Dave again on this intriguing development.
A higher percentage of people than ever before right now believe or seriously consider that the moon landings were faked.
A couple years back, a big blogger (can’t remember who) held an idea contest of sorts to ask people what deep dark core fear really kept them up some nights.
The winner was, in essence: “What if we (civilization) really are just getting stupider and stupider as time progresses?
Heh, a couple of photos of guys standing around saying ‘yeah, the chicks are coming any minute now, any minute…’
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2008 03 12 at 11:10 AM • permalink#2 Andrew X
It’s hard to take the Fake Moon Landing Troofers seriously when their leading intellectual lights are a couple of old cranks who live in trailers out in the Nevada desert.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 03 12 at 11:14 AM • permalink911oz.com?
what is that, 14 gallons and damn near another pint?
I wasn’t aware that needed to be investigated.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2008 03 12 at 11:20 AM • permalinko/t In other Darwin Awards news, anti-war protestors plan to “cage” military recruiters.
#8 Going by the timeline described in the comments, the pinktards pretty much plan to arrive at the recruiting office about an hour after it’s closed, declare victory, and then maybe dance around in a circle or something. If they even show up at all.
Still a gross waste to have to send ... what? ... 3-5 squad cars of Pgh cops to babysit these wankers.Posted by formerly Huck Foley on 2008 03 12 at 12:51 PM • permalinkSo that’s where US Congressman Dennis Kucinich’s and Congressman Ron Paul’s supporters went! You folks have got to get better security.
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 12:53 PM • permalink#8 Rebecca: Can’t wait to see the protestors scrambling away with bars from the cage stuffed up their behinds. Do they not realize that military recruiters are, you know, military personnel, most of whom probably possess superior skills in hand-to-hand combat, not to mention marksmanship? I strongly suspect that this brag was made well in advance so that the police could be there to help the protestors let go of the tiger’s tail.
#8 Anti-war loons plan on evicting and, then “caging” the recruiters in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? BWAAHAHAHA! Get the popcorn! They’re going to be soooo disappointed…or sooo sore. Win win!
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 01:00 PM • permalink“Was the Bali bombing a false flag attack? Watch Glen Clancy’s FOOL ME TWICE at the TruthNow Conferences in Sydney & Maleny”. Apparently “The Bali Bombings were a direct US-Israeli response to the growing Peace marches and Anti War Movement in Australia”. Loewenstein, will you get on to this for goodness sake?
#12 paco -
Do they not realize that military recruiters are, you know, military personnel, most of whom probably possess superior skills in hand-to-hand combat, not to mention marksmanship?
I can vouch for that. Ten years ago my nephew was trying hard to join the Marine Corp. The recruiter told him they would accept him (the days of the armed services accepting everybody that walks through the door are long gone) if he undergoes physical training on his own and gets into good shape. My nephew worked hard to do so but he was having trouble passing one test: 8 pull ups on a bar at the Marine recruitment office.
I went with him and spoke to the gunny sergeant. I said 8 pull ups shouldn’t be a test. Few men could do it. The sergeant, who was my age, proceeded to do 20 pull ups easier and quicker than me walking up 20 steps. After he completed that feat, I looked back to my nephew and said “back to the exercise gym”.
These guys are in frickin shape.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 03 12 at 01:19 PM • permalinkNow, here’s the difference between truth and truthiness. Welcome to the land of the sane, Mr. Mamet.
#15 - I’m <strike>watching</strike> suffering through the ‘doco’ now. It’s sort of like an Aussie ‘Loose Change’ but with lower production values and even more glaring errors.
I just got through the part where it is suggested that the Bali bombing was a small nuclear explosion because - get this - the lights went out and the music stopped not because of the bombing but thanks to a electromagnetic pulse as a result of a nuclear blast. Of course, the doco skips over how this EMP managed not to affect any of the other local electrical equipment and how the EMP only affected electrical equipment for a few seconds.
Other glaring errors: various misattributions, reference to the ‘Australian Department of Intelligence’ which does not exist, a failure to understand basic physics, giving great weight to individual survivor accounts recorded on the night of the blast as opposed to post-blast accounts from experts…the list just goes on.
It’s a crock but also exactly what you might expect from a ‘doco’ being played at a conference like this.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2008 03 12 at 01:30 PM • permalink911oz.com?
what is that, 14 gallons and damn near another pint?
I wasn’t aware that needed to be investigated.
That was my first reaction too, Mr. Bingley. Is that the standard keg size in Oz? - maybe the protestors are unhappy about that.
Wronwright, did you nephew make the cut?
Posted by Sonetka's Mom on 2008 03 12 at 01:35 PM • permalink#20: I just got through the part where it is suggested that the Bali bombing was a small nuclear explosion because - get this - the lights went out and the music stopped not because of the bombing but thanks to a electromagnetic pulse as a result of a nuclear blast.
LOL! Maybe the doco-makers were thinking of a late-night TV movie they saw as kids - the 1953 version of The War of the Worlds - where the first UFO that crash lands creates a power outage that even interrupts telephone service and makes people’s watches stop.
#22 - EMPs do exist, of course, but not an EMP that lasts for a few seconds and then goes away? Damn CIA operatives and their superbombs!
But the video continues and he’s now lecturing about how the Council on Foreign Relations is behind global terror. Laughs per minute are increasing…
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2008 03 12 at 01:42 PM • permalink“...sorry, Doc. I must have Spitzer on the brain or something. I keep seeing hookers everywhere!...”
These guysare realloy reaching if they think Stepnoski was a big-time NFL star. Those truthers have me wondering if he played in the pre-helmet era.
Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2008 03 12 at 02:39 PM • permalink#8 The protest is for next Wednesday, the 19th. The march is at 6:30pm, so the offices will be closed. Of course, the Anarchist Commies will claim that the recruiters “ran”. (falls over onto floor laughing)
Have fun storming the castle!
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 02:55 PM • permalinkA focused, short duration EMP weapon would be cool, and a godsend for a large number of tactical scenarios. Alas, it’s the stuff of science fiction for now.
These 911oz.com bozos? They’re so far off in La La Land, they need a GPS and a star atlas to get back to reality.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 12 at 02:55 PM • permalinkOf course, I must thank those 911oz.com bozos for the timing of their protest to permit the gratuitous shot of the Australian goddess in the background.
But she’s too far away for proper appreciation. For which I blame the 911oz.com bozos, who likely conspired to deny us the pleasure of a close up photo.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 12 at 02:58 PM • permalinkFrom a link within Rebecca’s LGF link in #8
Of course, the station may be closed and recruiters may flee or hide behind the police apparatus that enables the war to continue. That is often the case, and we’ve seen in the past the overwhelming resources the state directs against these anniversary events because of their importance as a symbol of dissent. We believe in acting effectively, in confronting the war, at times and places of our choosing. When the state brings the resources necessary to suppress direct action against the war, it makes sense to hold a symbolic protest, and we still consider that a success, as it exposes the reality that it is ultimately on the local level that our countries (sic) war policy will be decided.
So, no matter what happens, the demonstration will be a success. Show up and defeat the American Military running dogs! YEE-HAW!!!!
And, if I might offer some constructive criticism, their cause would benefit greatly from the use of correct spelling, proper grammar, and concise writing. ‘Cuz this reads like it was written by a dyslexic drunk three days into a binge of Everclear and Tang.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 12 at 03:05 PM • permalink#21 Sonetka’s Mom - Wronwright, did you nephew make the cut?
He did indeed. It wasn’t easy though. He wasn’t an athlete in high school and he was fairly out of shape. But he worked hard to get into some semblance of shape for boot camp. Because of his situation, he was required to go through 6 additional weeks of PT. But when I went to Parris Island to watch him graduate, I didn’t even recognize him. This was despite sitting in the front row in my fake Air Force general’s uniform (which got me a really good seat).
I’m very proud of him and his contribution to the defense of our country. By comparison, I haven’t done anything.
Posted by wronwright on 2008 03 12 at 03:21 PM • permalink#27
These 911oz.com bozos? They’re so far off in La La Land, they need a GPS and a star atlas to get back to reality.
I’m thinking a lot closer to home.
I’m thinking couldn’t find their arse with both hands, and a map.
How do people so gullible, so stupid, so completely lacking in logical thought processes actually survive?
Dr Helen Caldicott is also now unable to attend.
Interpretation: this was too stupid even for Caldicott. The woman’s a prize chump but this was going too far even for chumps.
Posted by walterplinge on 2008 03 12 at 05:25 PM • permalinkOh, and Mamdouh Habib? Yes. A fine example of truth and honesty.
I suppose they excuse his lies which he’s constantly contradicted by saying that he’s ESL and therefore doesn’t have the command of the English language to express himself adequately.
Well, the problem with liars is that they usually need to have very good memories to remember the story they made up in the first place. Usually when the story changes many times it adds up to fabrication.
I’d love to hear a body-language expert rip into Habib’s explanation of his “torture”.
Obviously he thinks we are all as stupid and
guilliblegullhabibable as his peers.This reminds me of a Hollywood producer’s joke about movie stars: You want… you’ll settle for… you’ll get.
In this case it works better backwards:You got Mamdouh Habib;
You’d have settled for Helen Caldicott;
You wanted Charlie Sheen.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 12 at 05:43 PM • permalinkFurther to wronwright’s comments, there’s an article in this morning’s Age where Kevin complains about the ethnic make up of Australia’s army. Apparently some ethnic groups are under-represented. And they then go into truthist contortions to come up with a PC reason for this ( “..they can’t get in..”, “we’ve failed to tap into..”, “..our problem”), anything other than admit that maybe “they don’t want to defend Australia”.
Good on ya son wronwright. (And isn’t there a law against false generalisation?)Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 03 12 at 06:27 PM • permalinkI must admit I have not visited the links provided—I’ve just had breakfast, you see.
Call me a naïf, but I have a question.
Why are Australians marching, placarding, bannering and and generally making complete drongos of themselves over a tragedy that occurred in America?
A stupid question, I suppose.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 03 12 at 07:09 PM • permalinkMental, a lot of people in Australia cared very much about 911 and expressed their horror at what had happened and sympathy for everyone affected, and others then asked why? when it is “only America”. I guess it’s the flipside.
I confess that I wondered why our local primary school had a minute’s silence and an American flag flying soon after the event. I was horrified and angered and so on about 911, but when you think of all the people dying in the world for no good reason every day it seemed very disproportionate and selective for a Melbourne primary school. I asked the principal about it and apparently the education department had issued a directive. From memory it wasn’t actually a directive, but suggested that the schools could do it. I’ve got a copy somewhere.Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 03 12 at 07:47 PM • permalinkHoney, the sympathy I can understand. After all Australians were numbered among those slain, and America is our greatest ally.
It’s the imported perversion that I don’t get.
Surely there are fair dinkum conspiracies right here at home to which they can attach themselves—and leech-like, suck to satiation the sickening sustenance that nourishes their twisted temperament.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 03 12 at 08:03 PM • permalink#36 there is a special place in hell for truthers; under the 9/11 towers when they are collapsing; forever.
There is, indeed, a special place for truthers, but under the towers wouldn’t be it, since that is hallowed ground. Truthers shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near. The Liberty Tower is being built right now.
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 08:16 PM • permalinkMFloss, I don’t Australia’s had a really good conspiracy since 1975, when Whitlam was dethroned by CIA Special Agent Kerr.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 12 at 08:22 PM • permalink#40 & 43 Just my opinion, but the world wide grief and outrage was an expression of solidarity born out by the knowledge that America is, as President Reagan put it, “A shining beacon on a hill.” Additionally, it is the loss of so many from such a variety of nations. On September 11th everyone that was lost or suffered the loss was viewed as “American” regardless of their nation of origin. We grieved them just the same.
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 08:24 PM • permalink#30 Wronwright, please tell your nephew that I and my friends are extremely proud and grateful for his service! I was Army. If he deploys, please give his name to Operation Gratitude so he can get a box.
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 08:29 PM • permalink44. Sure, totally agree. But it’s the same wannabe mentality. An Aussie conspiracy theory would be so, lame, so embarrassing. Now a conspiracy theory from the US! Now that’s real! Dramatic! etc etc. Maybe Kevin should tighten local content rules..
And 47 Deborah I agree too, but that is SO not going to make a headline in Australia.
Someone said (here I think) “We’re all Jews now”.Posted by ooh honey honey on 2008 03 12 at 08:31 PM • permalink#42 Trekkie + psychosis = Truther.
Hey, hey, hey! Trekkies may live in
mom’s basementStarfleet HQ but they would never, never go aboard the UNS Kucinich.
*United Nutter ShipPosted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 08:36 PM • permalink#47 Deborah Leigh, if you read #44, you’ll see that as an Australian-American (or American Australian), I fully understand the shared shock, horror and grief.
Australian “troothers?”—that’s the part I can only explain as a sort of viral vector that, through transduction, has infected the entirety of the Anglosphere’s Asylum dwellers.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2008 03 12 at 08:39 PM • permalink#44 Mental, the Left is spreading the Truther virus in order to damage/take down America, in favor of their brand of Socialism/Communism. These are the same folks that want Oz under Sharia law. Connect the dots.
Posted by Deborah Leigh on 2008 03 12 at 08:40 PM • permalinkI love Truthers. Spend Saturday telling 3 trapped people on a train carriage that the government murdered 3000 innocent people. Then every Thursday accept a social security payment from the same government.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 03 12 at 08:52 PM • permalinkI don’t care if her face looks like it got hit by a flaming bag of nickels, I’m sold.
Dave, you sound like a true patriot*.
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*:Old Army expression: “Throw a flag over her face, and do it for Old Glory.”
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 03 12 at 09:25 PM • permalinkJust my opinion, but the world wide grief and outrage was an expression of solidarity born out by the knowledge that America is, as President Reagan put it, “A shining beacon on a hill.”
I’m going to take a slightly different tack, because despite what the foreign lefties say, most of us Americans aren’t arrogant enough to assume that we’re the ne plus ultra of what should be admired and copied. We’re proud, yes, but plenty cognizant of our flaws.
I think the reason it hit everyone, worldwide, is because the world knows that we are them. We’re a nation of immigrants from everywhere. Every corner of the globe had its DNA in those towers that day.
#56
It effected me because I saw it unfold on television.
It was unbelievable and unthinkable.
It was wondering about a city just like the ones we have here,
people minding their own business, going about their daily work,
wishing harm on nooone,
being affected in the most horriffic, life-changing way.
Those who survived, those who died.
One of my workmates’ nephews was an employee in one of the towers. He survived, but for a long time the family didn’t know.And this was done in the name of Allah.
Of course, the doco skips over how this EMP managed not to affect any of the other local electrical equipment and how the EMP only affected electrical equipment for a few seconds.
Because EMP is magical. Actually you can apply this argument to most pop culture treatments of science and technology. The technology really just stands in for deep, dark superstitious fears. Mostly you could replace it with wizards, witches and demons and not lose anything.
kae,
I changed trains under the WTC to go to my job on Wall St every day about that time. I was late that day because I had to make a stop on the way to work or I would have been there when it happened.
My best friend’s son had just changed jobs from there and his whole former staff was lost.
Even now I cannot go by there without breaking down.
I listen to all the people complaining about the EMT and police and fire not doing enough, etc. We saw them every day monitoring the air quality and providing help and bottled water and masks and with their oxygen tanks right out in front of my building for months afterwards.
I see things like those fools in Australia in the photos and the idiots we have here and I really want to take a stick to them and beat sense into their heads.
#61
you can’t knock any sense into them, they’re senseless already.We are lucky in Australia that nothing like that has happened. I understand that things have been planned, but thwarted.
I can’t begin to understand what you go through when you think of the people you knew and who you lost in 9/11. The same with anyone who survived, at WTC, The Pentagon, and relatives and friends of those lost.
How can you possibly survive something morally bankrupt and completely senseless as 9/11 and not be affected?Death Cult is the best brand name I’ve heard for it.
64 - Never heard of that one, Ash, but since you don’t mention the possibility that Holt was taken by a flying saucer I’ll assume it wasn’t written by John Pinkney.
My theory is that he just got tired of politics, faked his own death, and lived another twenty years in a Housing Commission unit in Geelong.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 13 at 04:18 AM • permalinkSelected works by John Pinkney available here, Ash. You’ll probably find some gathering dust at your local library too.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 13 at 04:48 AM • permalinkBack when I was your age and even younger, John Pinkney was a reporter for the Melbourne Truth. Much to the amazement of all, he found a way to go even lower than that.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 13 at 05:14 AM • permalinkYou could trust the price on the front, and some old punters would swear by the racing form guide, but everything in between was pretty much up for grabs. The words “Page Three Girl” pretty much sum it up.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 13 at 05:35 AM • permalinkTo be fair though, it did break some important stories now and then.
Former editor Adrian Tame interview.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 03 13 at 05:37 AM • permalink#2, #3, all available evidence is that people are getting smarter. Yes, the average IQ is increasing. There is much debate among researchers about why this is.
The currently accepted theory is that it’s due to improved nutrition, because of better systems of food distribution. (ie capitalism). If pregnant or about-to-be pregnant mothers have access to good food, kids can get fresh milk, there’s always a meal on the table, etc, then the brain can develop properly. That’s what happens in a wealthy capitalist society.All that stuff that people say about “the stupid people are breeding so therefore the world is getting stupider” isn’t true.
Posted by daddy dave on 2008 03 13 at 08:41 PM • permalinkinfowars.com.au (who’s url shows up intriguingly as http://www.houseboatsonportstephens.com.au/forum/ ) have asked Sydney “truth crusaders(tm)” to “have at me” for apparently telling the truth about Islam. It was also cross posted to 911oz.com
A truth Jihad!. :)
#70, at least the page three girls made the price on the front worth paying, at least there was interesting thing in the paper to look at.
“this was too stupid even for Caldicott”
That can’t be it. No way. I don’t know what the real story is, but this is definitely not it. No. Hell no.
Posted by formerly Huck Foley on 2008 03 15 at 01:06 AM • permalinkWalterplinge 32
this was too stupid even for Caldicott.
This STILL just blow my mind. What the fuck next? “Too hypocritical for Eliot Spitzer?” “Too racist for Rev. Wright?” “Too antisemitic for Ant Lowenstein?” “Too fatuous for Leunig?” “Too barking moonbat insane for Miranda Divide?” “Too mercenary for Paco?” “Too malfeasant for Wronwright?” NO! There are NO SUCH THINGS as those things!
huff huff huff
All right, I’m all better now ... carry on.Posted by formerly Huck Foley on 2008 03 15 at 03:05 AM • permalink
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