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NOTHING CAN CONVINCE THEM
The Herald Sun‘s Jill Singer is deeply unamused by conservative reaction to global warming alarmism:
While the global scientific community has reached consensus on the dangers we face from man-made climate change, conservative climate sceptics are rushing lemming-like to claim it’s a beat up ...
We are warned to expect spreading deserts, more frequent devastating storms, destruction of the Great Barrier Reef and rising oceans.
None of it seems to bother them in the slightest ... nothing can convince them that climate change should be taken seriously.
We are talking here about people who change their standards of proof with the ease they change their undies.
Singer knows a great deal about changing standards. About her own underwear-changing skills, sadly, I am insufficiently informed to describe.
(Speaking of effortless change, in her column Jill converts me from a happy Daily Telegraph warming denialist to some kind of glib and self-important fellow writing for the Australian. Not one for paying attention is Ms Singer.)
(Via Murph)
UPDATE. Further fashionable analysis from Andrew Bolt.
In Winnipeg it was -41°c yesterday. Not sure if fahrenheit is colder.
About 6 towns here set records for cold.How is that possible if the hockey stick isn’t a pack of lies.
Maybe Jill could walk here and we could sit outside and discuss it, til she gets hypothermia.
It’s warm today only -30°c and our high is lower than our low is supposed to be. Nothing abnormal in a normal world but impossible in the hockey stick one.
Come Jill tell me it should be taken seriously.All the radio stations are saying Global Warming bring it on! Well 2 that I listen to.
: )
Drive your SUV an extra mile for us please!
Posted by hollingshead on 2007 02 06 at 11:28 AM • permalinkWhat we’re talking about is people who change their trouser-dampening vision of apocalypse the way, well, people should when they wet themselves in terror so regularly.
Interesting that, even when a mindset embraces secularism and doubt, it still needs to have some sort of biblical threat looming over the horizon to chasten the sinful. All depending on your version of sin, however - I happen to consider murder and theft more inherently immoral than owning a car with a V-8 engine. Just how I was raised, I guess.
Posted by rick mcginnis on 2007 02 06 at 11:38 AM • permalinkHmmm. Truth for hard times (or whatever their posey leitmotif is) indeed. Sorry to hear that, who needs the hassle? Should they actually serve docs, do be sure to post ‘em here (I’m sure Tim would be in it) so we can excoriate and deconstruct. The commentariate here represent a considerable global resource
(abd we just love a good chiack). Cheers Mate.Hey, I object to the term “man-made.” It is sexist. The lefties have been all up in arms about removing sexist language from other areas of our world, why do they use “man-made” here?
It’s a well known fact that most minivan drivers are women, so they should be included in Goebbel wartening too.Ms Singer, yes the earth is in a warming phase. The reasons for it have not yet been established as scientific fact.
And for that, Lord Rove should reward you, murph.
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 02 06 at 11:58 AM • permalinkWe are warned to expect spreading deserts, more frequent devastating storms, destruction of the Great Barrier Reef and rising oceans.
But oddly, we’re not told of vast areas of Alaska and Canada and Greenland becoming amenable to human habitation and agriculture. Or of even warmer temperatures in the MWP that not only did not cause catastrophe, but enabled the flowering of civilization.
We are talking here about people who change their standards of proof with the ease they change their undies.
Damn us for insisting on truth and facts, and resisting lies! How can we question the Hockey Stick Graph that ignores the historically-proven MWP and Little Ice Age? How can we question that 5,000 polar bears in 1970 and 25,000 polar bears today = endangered polar bears? How can we not be ashamed of mocking warm-mongers in 2005 who said hurricanes were caused by global warming and would be even worse in 2006, when there were no hurricanes in 2006? Damn us and our oppressive “logic”!
The global warming is mostly in Jill’s pants as she dreams of Al Gore’s manly buttocks.
Posted by Cracker Barrel Philosopher on 2007 02 06 at 12:22 PM • permalinkEww, Cracker Barrel, I didn’t need that mental image just before lunch!
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 02 06 at 12:28 PM • permalinkI wish all you Christianists would try just for a moment to get past your primitive superstitions and accept science, like I have:
I believe Al Gore, who explained it completely,
how we are warming the earth,
and in the Kyoto treaty, his best idea, our world’s law:Which was conceived of during the Clinton administration,
created at the United Nations,
didn’t get passed in the Senate,
but was voted down 95-0 and was buried.And then came the Bush Administration.
In its sixth year the Democrats took back the Congress.
They will bring us back to the UN
and sit on the left side of the international community,
whence media shall come to judge Americans living and dead.I believe in global warming, that it’s wholly human-caused,
That those communing at Davos are saints,
that paying carbon taxes will cancel out my pollution sin,
leading to the restoration of the environment,
and a climate unchanging.
Instead, they direct their malevolent ignorance towards pitching scientist against scientist.
But how can this be? If there’s consensus, I mean? Or is she suggesting that the VRWC is trying to lure all the climate scientists into a mosh pit, in order to injure or kill as many as possible?
Jill Singer: “Well, as respected climatologist Professor Gervase Smythe-Pooter says…”
VRWC: “Pardon me, but he isn’t saying anything anymore.”
Jill Singer: “What do you mean?”
VRWC: The good professor was doing a bit of slam dancing last night and . . . (looks at fingernails, while whistling “Taps”)
Jill Singer: “My God! He’s dead?”
VRWC: “No, not dead, but he did sustain a severe head injury. He just sits in his room all day, muttering “glo . . .glo . . .glo” - you know, nonsense syllables - while cutting pictures of Al Gore out of the newspaper. (Sighs loudly). A sad case, a very sad case, indeed.
Jill Singer (angrily): “Well, he’s not the only climate scientist in the world sounding the alarm on global warming!”
VRWC (smiling insidiously): “No, but he is one less.”
Jill Singer: You can’t get rid of them all!”
VRWC: “Oh, I’m not convinced of that at all.”Olrence
You have it in one.
Lil’ Dicky Pufferfish:
from Richard Kastelein <editor@atlanticfreepress.com>
reply-to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
to Murph
date 04-Feb-2007 08:37
subject XXXXXX - YOU’RE FIRED.
mailed-by atlanticfreepress.comBig mistake Andy.
Having me slandered at Tim Blair using my real name.
I expect you to be fired next week.
I withheld emailing [XXXXXX]‘s IT but that’s not the case tomorrow.
They are going to get the full scoop - what you are doing with their spare time.
I expect they won’t take lightly to people abusing work stations to hang around political websites and harass people.
You really are stupid. Aren’t you?
Followed by:
from Richard Kastelein <editor@atlanticfreepress.com>
reply-to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
to Murph
date 04-Feb-2007 09:30
subject Dear IT Department.
mailed-by atlanticfreepress.comDear IT Department.
An employee working out of London (or your servers there) by the name of [Murph] is apparently using a workstation at
###.###.###.###
... during your working hours to harass me by email and my site by multiple posting comments (that I refuse to publish).
Andy, as he is called at timblair.net, where he seems to hang out all day is wasting your companies’ time on my website and others it appears, is now libeling me and accusing me of threats publicly at http://www.timblair.net - with which I plan to take litigation and will most likely need records from your company to verify that Andy accessed my site multiple times, and serial posted comments that were caustic in nature and unacceptable to our editorial policy.
However, I think the real issue here is - what are your employees doing during working hours that they have enough time to play around on the Internet with subjects totally unrelated to work? I have logs showing him spending an inordinate amount of time at my site - and - I am sure you will see by your records - he spends far too much time at http://www.timblair.net (63.247.139.40).
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...Regards
Richard KasteleinMurph:
Dear Lunatic,
You’re back? I thought I told you that the conversation was over. Oh well.
“Dear IT Department”? Not a good start. You sound retarded.
Which IT Department? Which Murph? There are about half a dozen of us working here.
I posted comments which are caustic in nature? A link to a New York Times correction? Is that caustic? Seriously, go have a good look in the mirror, splash some water on your face and have a good lie down.
I sent multiple emails? One.
That may constitute caustic harassment for your inexplicably massive ego, but no court outside of some leftist star chamber would ever convict. You’re going to need to run the action in North Korea, Venezuela or Cuba.
Good luck getting a lawyer who can win a defamation suit on the evidence you’ve got. Unfortunately, Johnny Cochrane’s croaked, so you’re out of luck. I hear Lionel Hutz is available these days.
Anyhow, congratulations. If you’ve seriously sent that email, which I doubt you have, you’ve now committed your second criminal offence: criminal defamation.
Keep digging mate. You might be able to find a third before the week is out.
You’re a walking, talking parody of your fellow travellers. Thin skinned, brainless, zero self control, all bluster, no substance.
Oh that’s right, I forgot to mention, that I’m not actually an employee of [XXXXXX]. I’m a consultant. My boss is me. They are my client. I do the work they require and they are happy. They simply will not care. So go ahead. Make an even more massive fool of yourself. It should be good for a laugh down at the pub next Wednesday night. I might shout a few pints in your honour.
Now go away you silly little man.
Love
Murph
No word yet. However, I wouldn’t put it past him to send an email. He’s got an ego the size of a zeppelin (and about as vulnerable as one).
The email is so pathetic I almost felt inclined to help him re-draft it.
Well, Jill, I can speak only for this conservative, but I don’t apologize for supporting the Iraq invasion and I don’t apologize for being skeptical of the inner workings of the climate cult with its attendant evangelical zealots in hyper-drive. Nor have I ever painted myself into a corner—to the contrary, I always know where the exit is. And, although you wouldn’t know it to see me right now, I have a terrific fashion sense.
Now, let’s hear from a sensible Australian, one who doesn’t care about scoring ideological points:
The conclusion of the independent summary acknowledges that the hypothesis is credible that greenhouse gas emissions have produced or are capable of producing a significant warming of the Earth’s climate since the start of the industrial era, and merits continued attention.
But it concludes: “There is no evidence provided by the IPCC in its fourth assessment report that the uncertainty (surrounding climate change) can be formally resolved from first principles, statistical hypothesis, testing or modelling exercises.
“Consequently there will remain an unavoidable element of uncertainty as to the extent that humans are contributing to future climate change, and indeed whether or not such change is a good or bad thing.”
It is important to retain this perspective, given the hysteria about climate change that has been whipped up by the Stern Review and Al Gore’s terror flick An Inconvenient Truth.
Both are polemical exercises designed to create fear and alarm about the consequences of global warming, and both have been effectively criticised for manipulating the available data to achieve this.
Avoid panic policies on global warming
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 06 at 01:23 PM • permalinkAndy? Who around here calls Murph “Andy”?? Who does Richard think he is, anyhow, Donald Trump? YOU’RE FIRED. LOL
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 02 06 at 01:31 PM • permalinkRetread: ”...according to which we’ve only got a short time to enjoy the birds and snakes as they’ve been telling us for seventy-five years!”
You actually have to give the 1932 article credit. They speak of a global deluge in 30,000 to 40,000 years. They are talking like geologists and rational scientists. They aren’t hyping this “we have ten years to save the planet” meme.
That’s the most ridiculous part of this whole thing. Ten years in global/geological terms is like a nanosecond in a 1500 meter race. It’s literally unmeasurable in any real sense on a geological time scale. How these people can stand up in front of an audience and give a specific number like “ten years” (or even thirty years) is beyond me. If they could just explain that number in a way that was at all convincing I might take global warming the slightest bit seriously. But they can’t, because they are just making it up.
As I’ve said in other posts, I find it fascinating that we (or some hyperventilating subset of we) continually seem to uncover problems just at the exact moment where the whole future of the earth and humanity hangs in the balance. It’s just not credible, in my book. The simple laws of chance alone speak against it. We discovered the ozone hole just at the moment that it was going to destroy humanity if we didn’t do something right then. Now, no one even mentions it. The same with other eco-disasters in the making (like acid rain). And now they are doing the same thing with global warming.
It’s a common sales technique and no more convincing than the encyclopedia salesman at your door who says you have to buy “Right now!” or this tremendous half price offer will disappear forever. He’s trying to force you to make an impulsive decision by not giving you time to think it through. Because he knows if you think it through, his chance of a sale is greatly diminished. Al Gore and his fellow travelers are envirosalesman bullies, no more no less, and are trying to force us to buy without giving us a moment to think. “We only have ten years.”, “The debate is over.”, yada, yada, yada. Well sorry, but under those circumstances, Jill, I can’t take anything they (or you) say seriously. Now get off my porch.
None of it seems to bother them in the slightest ... nothing can convince them that climate change should be taken seriously.
What Jill doesn’t understand is that many conservatives, especially those that frequent this blog, remember the scares that the left promoted during the Sixties and Seventies. Most of these scares were either nonsense, or worse, harmful. DDT. Unilateral nuclear disarmament. Alar. Nuclear power generation. US-USSR arms agreement.
Time after time the left has been shown to have had their collective head up their arse. When that happens, the left just changes the subject, trumpeting a new cause celebre.
Conservatives are not saying that there is no global warming. We’re just saying it hasn’t been proven to the degree that requires the world to make wholesale changes to our economies and societies. Instead maybe the answer is for individuals to make personal voluntary changes and sacrifices. For instance, Jilly can spend her vacation working in a Melborne soup kitchen instead of flying to Bali.
As for me, my personal voluntary decision is to drive a Hummer.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 02 06 at 02:21 PM • permalinkLOL, murph! That reminds me of an e-mail I received while on active duty in Kuwait.
I got a wonderful message from some Australian kook advising me that he had complained to the US Embassy about my insulting another Australian (Bryla, in point of fact); he asked the Embassy to punish me for my “verbal abuse” (the e-mail tone reminded me of a child whining to Mom about being called bad names) of an Australian citizen.
Made my day, it did. I imagined some poor staff sod at the Embassy reading that e-mail with a “WTF is this guy on about?!?!?!?!?!” look, and then firmly hitting the DELETE button.
BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 02 06 at 02:37 PM • permalinkI hear Lionel Hutz is available these days.
Sadly, he too is dead.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 02 06 at 04:06 PM • permalink#25: All we need to fix all this is for congress to pass a law prohibiting climate change of any sort.
Grimmy, I think you’ve hit on something. After all, didn’t some Indiana politician in the 1890s introduce legislation to officially change the value of pi to an even 3.0? (To simplify the calculation of circumferences.)
Posted by Bruce Lagasse on 2007 02 06 at 04:30 PM • permalinkVery pertinent to Singer’s accusations that sceptics are the new heretics. This from a thread on Bolta yesterday:-
“As (Professor Richard) Lindzen said many years ago: “the consensus was reached before the research had even begun.” Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change deniers with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted…
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information”.So much for perceived wisdom and the intimidation of those with the temerity to challenge it. But that’s Jill. A right little Marxist with a bad dose of do as I say, not as I do.
It was people like her who screamed loudest about what they called ‘Howard’s attack on free speech’. Obvioulsy this freedom should only be extended to people who agree with the Jill Singers of this world!Aaron
I like how some of the projections have error bars greater than the value of the projected rise (and in some cases significantly higher). So within the confidence interval is a possible fall in sea levels from that contributing factor. When economic models i worked with used to forecast future prices like that (ie the confidence interval included both rises and falls) we called them meaningless.
QUESTION: What do the barmy army and political conservatives have in common?
Answer: a) poor fashion sense, b) a misguided sense of patriotic fervour, c) no exit strategy, d) all of the above.
The correct answer is d) but for the purposes of today’s discussion we shall focus on c).And Jill Singer’s exit strategy is. . . .
<crickets>“We are warned to expect spreading deserts”
Deserts are in retreat across Africa, curse you global warming??
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 06 at 05:27 PM • permalinkSo Blair, you have called a young girl who is trying to save the world insignificant?
So Blair, you would unleash unimagined wrath because she might avail herself of flight services to ease her poor tortured and blistered feet?
You sir - so called “Tim” so-called “Blair” - are nothing but a bounder and a cad. You self-important sir, should be very, very ashamed.
#27 Good one Murph.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 06 at 05:32 PM • permalinkIt’s true. It’s true! The crown has made it clear the climate will be perfect all the year!
A short episode of Moonbat Alpha, inspired by Graeme Dunstan
FRUITY MOONBAT
Where have you been?!
BURNTOUT MOONBAT
Fucking Happy Wheels fucking broke down on me again.
FRUITY MOONBAT:
Oh, my poor little shaman. Did you try your pranic breath?
BURNTOUT MOONBAT
Still wouldn’t start. I tried everything Meditation. Chanting. The Varja mantra. I did my fire dance and torched my yoga blanket. Then it was as if….as if the wings of a dark angel swooped down upon me, calling me to action. I turned on my speaker horn. I unfurled my flags and banners. I put out my table and chairs. Oh, it was a riot of celebration! A wondrous array of spiritual colour and message! But still the NRMA wouldn’t come.
FRUITY MOONBAT:
You have to be a member.
BURNTOUT MOONBAT:
Hey, man. Don’t fence me in.
FRUITY MOONBAT:
So what did you do? I mean, you’ve been gone three days!
BURNTOUT MOONBAT:
I slept in the forest. In graveyards. In suburban front gardens. I battled madness of mind and wreckage of spirit. I invoked the lessons of the ancestors. I gave in to deepening understanding and surrender.
FRUITY MOONBAT
So you walked home.
BURNTOUT MOONBAT:
Yeah.
FRUITY MOONBAT:
And where’s Happy Wheels now?
BURNTOUT MOONBAT:Still in the shopping centre carpark.
Can’t comment at the article’s site, unfortunately, ‘cause there’s an awfully high straw content in the criticisms:
How to accept they were wrong on Iraq
Who sez?
how to accept they were wrong on climate change
Ditto.
how to get privatised public transport to work
What, taxis? Get (Labor) state governments to release more licenses so the price drops and they don’t have to charge as much? I don’t think such economic liberalism would appeal to Jill, however.
how to get Aussies to work for two bucks an hour plus a bowl of rice
This bit’s simple. If someone offers that, then no-one will take it (even with the free rice). So they up the offer until someone does take it. Who’s forcing anyone to work for $2 per hour when they can get more on the dole?
where to hide Mandy Vanstone etc etc?
Huh? Oh, that’s right, she’s fat. Ha, ha.
She is quite right; there is no warning at all that can budge us neocons.
We demand proof, not warnings. Tales of drowning cannibal polar bears and NYC under the sea may be enough to drive liberals to suicide, but until someone produces real evidence that the earth is getting warmer as a direct result of greenhouse gases, or even that greenhouse gases are actually making up an increasing proportion of the atmosphere worldwide, we neocons ain’t gonna budge.
Science is not subject to popular vote. You can vote to declare pi equal to three instead of an irrational number, but that won’t make all circles suddenly have a circumference exactly three times their diameter.
Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2007 02 06 at 06:52 PM • permalinkHehe!
Speaking of Gobal Warmongers, anti-semitism defender Chris Bertram is completely incapable of recognizing hyperbole.
#27, #30 etc. Sorry, murph, maybe he got me confused with you as I was conducting tests of the Professional Asshole Cleanser Operating System from my
ball and chainworkstation at PACO Industries on company time. (A little difficult not to have it occur during work hours when PACO shifts are 24 hours long, but there you have it.) And on further reflection, I suppose I shouldn’t have used the term “nob gobbler” in respect to the phoney plastic turkey story.Posted by andycanuck on 2007 02 06 at 08:17 PM • permalink#39 RebeccaH, I have never given that a thought before! Tomorrow morning, I’ll try putting them on both legs at the same time….Thinks. I will have to put both feet in the air at the same time and ...
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 02 06 at 08:20 PM • permalinkQuote from Ms Singer’s diatribe:
One can only imagine Blair’s wrath if poor little insignificant Sarah stops walking and starts flying.
Well, Jill, it would be the environmentally sensible thing to do. While young Sarah walks, there will be a vehicle (and maybe two, the site doesn’t say) following her at walking pace to stop her being flatten by a truck. Now this vehicle, travelling in low gear, will produce the sort of fuel consumption figures that would shame a Humvee. It will also generate more pollutants per litre consumed because the engine won’t be running at peak efficiency. The net result of the walk will be vastly more toxic gases, greenhouse gases and carbon consumption than if Sarah jumped on a flight that was heading to Sydney anyway. Why, just the need to accommodate Sarah and her entourage for the nine weeks consume more carbon credits than a single seat on an airline flight that lasts a mere hour.
So not only is Sarah’s walk meaningless, it contradicts her own website:
Begin to start aiming to reduce and conserve your energy resources, whether that’s by walking instead of taking the car, switching the TV off standby or installing energy efficient light bulbs.
Sarah is walking - but she’s taking the car, too!
I’m sick of all this “unanimous consesus among scientists” crap. It’s a total lie. My father’s got a PhD in molecular physics, making him a part of the world’s “scientific community,” and he practically turns purple in furious anger when he hears the words “global warming.”
Posted by EmilyJones on 2007 02 06 at 08:27 PM • permalink#51 Oh no, the deserts are shrinking! Not only the glaciers! It’s worese than we thought! We’re all going to die!
Droughts and floods. Droughts and floods. All at teh same time.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 02 06 at 08:29 PM • permalinkRe #46, thanks for that highly relevant quote, Bonmot. Somehow, I get the impression that the Jill Singers of the world would be happiest if the Environmental Secret Police actually existed…..
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 02 06 at 08:30 PM • permalinkMy serious assessment of this 4th “report” is that it is a climb down. Unfortunately, we have to wait another 5 years for a further climb down. Possibly those involved are freshening up their CVs for other employment before then.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 02 06 at 08:34 PM • permalink#68 Jeff you’re right!
Jill Singers of the world would be happiest if the Environmental Secret Police actually existed…..It’s not too much of stretch to imagine an opportunistic pollie, gripped by zealotry, say a Bracks or a Iemma or a Rann conjuring up a bit of Holcaust-Denier type legislation where GW sceptics may have to prove why they are sceptics while the GW Armageddonists will be free to preach whatever alarmist claptrap they like.
It is not beyond happening and very well might. The Left always bang on about free speech being endangered in this country. It is they, however, we must fear!
I wish I could joke about it, but I’m just too disgusted: yesterday the Prime Minister felt he had to effectively apologize for saying that “the jury was still out” over a connection between C02 and climatic warming. In other words, he had to apologize for telling the truth. And how the media gloated over this backdown. Goodbye, Enlightenment, it was nice knowing you. Welcome back, Inquisition.
Maybe Jill’s attitude to enviro-sceptics is just another example, as
this commentator put it, of “rapidly escalating intolerance of free thought and speech that is being fuelled by religious fundamentalism”.Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 06 at 09:46 PM • permalinkProtect yourself and your student visa
Come to our student visa and skilled migration seminar.http://www.ausamigration.com.au
How do they protect themselves/communist/government what? From leaving is this what they’re implying?
#75 - Totally agree. That retraction made me feel a jihadic like anger at JWH. I think that was one of those “bridge too far” or “fork in the road moments”.
I realise now that we have lost the climate change battle and socialism has snuck in by stealth. Much as I hate the left, it was an act of sheer brilliance to disguise socialism as a tree.
If they could only put their bastardry to something useful.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 06 at 10:13 PM • permalink#79, I’m with you on this too. The government’s gutlessness on this issue is making my blood boil (another sign of the warmening no doubt).
If they had have been on top of this issue from day one, they would have had time to calmly explain to the electorate that this has been an elaborate scare campaign. Now that Rudd has all the momentum, the Coalition are left scrambling.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 02 06 at 11:42 PM • permalinkJill Singer, her wikipedia entry here. Started with the ABC, moved “up” to Today Tonight, collapsed on air when asking the tough questions. Now a lobbyist for the NAB. Won a Walkley Award though. Standard inner city leftie stuff. No need for brains here.
Howard is trying to be a little too cute on the GW shite. He is using it to get the nuclear industry (possibly not even power, just processing) up and running properly in Oz.
No-one seems to be looking at any possible benifits of GW such as increased rainfall (only droughts)or freeing up of permafrosted land for use. Either there is no possible upside of any sort (a remarkable statement) or their models are too unreliable to predict it ( good models then) or they are lying at worst or following the herd at best.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 07 at 12:57 AM • permalinkOn the bright side, at least when Kevni takes power (by lawful UN aproved ballot) we can look forward to perfect weather and no-one ever dying again. That is his platform isn’t it?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 07 at 01:01 AM • permalinkFurther to #82 - what happens when a lefty doesn’t get what they want?
Story here. Key quote:
I felt the most enormous pressure building up in my head and pain, intense pain, in fact as I was sitting there trying to read, it felt really like something had exploded in my head. I managed to get it through to the end of the link and the pain was so intense I hit the floor.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 07 at 01:08 AM • permalink#85 - Doctor’s advised her never to think again. Bless her, she’s followed the advice to the letter.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 02 07 at 01:15 AM • permalinkOT - but here is some interesting information about drama queens and attention seekers.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 02 07 at 01:44 AM • permalinkAnother O/T - has anyone else recieved this yet?
Interesting statistics
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S. involvement in Iraq, here’s a sobering statistic.
There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 2,867 deaths.
That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.
The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000 persons for the same period. That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq.
Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 02 07 at 01:46 AM • permalinkC’mon guys, it seems to be a shibboleth of the Right that climate change MUST be a beat-up. Just as the Left refuse to countenance the perils of demographics. I stand well to the right of the soup spoon, but both of them worry me. Call me Nervous Nellie if you like. Bisexual even.
Both sides of politics willfully ignore one or other of the two greatest threats facing us.
I concede that the demographic threat, as depicted by Steyn, is statistically certain, whereas there is room for doubt over the climatic one. However, as Rupert Murdoch said, we should at least have an insurance policy for the latter. We don’t insure our cars because we know we will crunch them, we do it because we might do so.Hey Singer- can ye sew? Well stitch this then, Jimmy.
#90- we insure our vehicles voluntarily, mostly to cover the real risk of others stupidy and lack of means to rectify the result of said stupidity- a risk backed up by actual evidence and precedent.
Insuring against weather change is like buying every ticket in a lottery, despite the fact that it costs you three times the prize, with a large chance that the promotor will bugger off with the proceeds before the prize is drawn. Pretty fucking stupid in my books.
89.Margos Maid One line in that report got me thinking.
“Current data suggest a global mean sea level rise of between two and three millimeters per year. Models project an increase of roughly 20 centimeters over the next 100 years, if accompanied by a warming of 2.0 to 4.5 degrees Celsius.”
According to a couple of publications I have looked at from 40-100 tonnes a day of space dust falls to earth.I have solved the riddle of rising sea levels, worship me puny brained ones!!!
75% of that should go into oceans wonder how something like that coupled with erosion along the coasts and riverways would figure into the massive rises seen lately? (2mm or whatever it is)Im eagerly awaiting my grant from PACO industries, I have some unprovable and highly expensive solutions I can let go ...for a price?
Seriously has erosion and runoff been factored into the UN report at all?
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 02 07 at 03:21 AM • permalink#82 allan
Now a lobbyist for the NAB.
Surely you jest. Has the NAB gone stark raving mad to have an anti-capitalist crone lobby for them?
What business are they after - Deep Green Collective Latte Set Pothead Pty. Ltd.
Is this the business they want?
I’m with NAB for now, but am seriously considering my options. Come and lobby me Jill, come on, have a go!!The more I learn about the actual meetings of the IPCC, the greater the resemblance to a Conclave of Cardinals. The presence of adherents of other beliefs is clearly out of the question, atheists are are not involved, agnostics have been weeded out, and heretics are not permitted to intrude. Just an assemblage of Leaders and True Believers of the Holy Church (of Anthropogenic Climate Change). The only debate allowed is over the details of the accepted dogma which is to be promulgated both to the faithful and to unbelievers.
Environmental Science is indeed becoming the new religion of the 21st Century.
Posted by Kurmudgeon on 2007 02 07 at 06:36 AM • permalink#75
Apparently, the backflip was some time later: his minders probably advised him to tread very warily (electionwise) on this (religious) issue.Kowtow to the human causal issue, but then point to severe economic penalties in carbon tax system?
However, challenge Kevni to go nuke, if he’s serious about solutions?Umm, all that carbonaceous stuff that we’ve been burning for a few hundred years - isn’t it supposed to be plant matter that was piled up millenia ago and then compressed to form coal or peat or oil?
So if the coal is made of carbon, and the coal comes from plants, meaning that the plants had lots of carbon in them….where did the plants get the carbon from?
I know! The atmosphere. The little buggers sucked enough carbon out of the air to form a trillion barrels of oil and hundreds of millions of tonnes of black and brown coal and nobody noticed them doing it.
So in other words, those pesky plants have been removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, making the planet cooler. Gee whizz, if we didn’t burn some of it (de-sequestration I call it), we’d all be living in igloos by now.
I tell you, we need a war on plants. If we don’t stop them, there’ll soon be no carbon dioxide left in the atmosphere, and you now what that means… no more fizzy drinks.
Clearly, the plants are against us. I call it a Great Plant Wing Conspiracy. I’m going outside right now to set fire to my lawn….
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 02 07 at 07:15 AM • permalinkHowever, as Rupert Murdoch said, we should at least have an insurance policy for the latter. We don’t insure our cars because we know we will crunch them, we do it because we might do so.
Well, some of us insure our cars because the nanny state government here in the People’s Republic of California has made it illegal not to do so.
That said, since you seem to be reasonable on the topic, let’s hear your proposal for ‘insurance’ against this theoretical global climate catastrophe.
sholto—Sure. As soon as someone figures out how to cool down the sun I will leap on board the global warming bandwagon… because that’s the cause of our current ‘extreme’ weather. Until then, this is just more agnostic evangelism and social engineering in disguise…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 02 07 at 11:04 AM • permalinkI note she criticises Tim for having a go at Fisk for flying everywhere but does not actually say why Tim’s criticism is invalid.
Why is flying in jets okay Jill if the global warming predictions are correct?
Any climate change advocate who owns a car and flys is a liar and hypocrite.Posted by the nailgun on 2007 02 07 at 08:52 PM • permalink“We are warned to expect spreading deserts”
Ahem!!!
Deserts are in retreat across Africa, curse you global warming??
thefrollickingmole in Manitoba, Canada too.
Our desert is at risk of disappearing.
http://www.cp.org/premium/ONLINE/member/travel/040830/u083003A.html
Oh no more arible farmland hows australia holding up?
Posted by hollingshead on 2007 02 08 at 05:29 PM • permalinkHere is the intro to an article worth a look:
“Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn’t exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.”
The rest, by Timothy Ball, is herePosted by Angela Bell on 2007 02 08 at 09:30 PM • permalink“But while a sling-shot and a rusty nail was enough for this mob to cry wolf over Iraq, it seems nothing can convince them that climate change should be taken seriously.”
I supported the war primarily because the Baathists helped terrorists like Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas murder American citizens.
If you don’t like it, you can fuck off and die for all I care. I’m really not interested in the opinions of a vapid, leftist, waste of oxygen like yourself.
As for your global warming bullshit…no one has died from global warming yet, but Leon Klinghoffer and Rajesh Kumar (two of many Americans murdered in cold blood by terrorists supported by the Baathists) are going to be dead forever thanks to your buddies in Iraq and the terrorists they helped.
So do me a favor, lefto-slut take your cry wolf crap and ram it right up your fatuous, peacenik ass.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 02 09 at 07:43 AM • permalink
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Oh, come on man! Now I’m gonna get sued by Singer too…