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Latest ruling from noted legal authority Wayne Sanderson:
Climate change denial is a far more serious ‘crime’ than Holocaust denial.
Margos Maid, thanks, but no thanks. That one liner, combined with the blurbs on his home page, tell me all that I need to know about his “opinions”. Paying for anything from Sanderson is like buying dog turds when you own a kennel.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 03 02 at 08:52 PM • permalinkBy the way I’m not going to say that the weather this year seems just like so many years before.
And I’m not going to comment on how looking back on my father’s and my grandfathers raincharts (farming family) that the weather seems to go it cycles.
I am especially not going to say that it has hotter and colder, wetter and drier in years previous.
No Nuremburg trial for me!
First they came for the meterologists,
then they came for the climatologists,
then they came for the weathermen,
then they came for Chicken Little....Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 03 02 at 10:05 PM • permalinkVery good Pat P., very funny.
Razor, over here on the East Coast the wife and I enjoyed a refreshing dip in the ocean sans bathers. At the wife’s insistence no less! Ahhh, a great day.
Posted by eagle bomber on 2006 03 02 at 10:17 PM • permalinkRazor, how can you have had the coldest Summer in decades there in Perth? Only yesterday, Our ABC informed me that “last summer was the hottest on record”.
I have lived in the West and know how you guys feel isolated from the East, but surely our National Broadcaster would include Perth’s records in its “facts”.So which is it? Because I just ordered a shitload of that goddam overpriced Ozzie buttfloss from Wicked Weasel and I’m gonna be pissed if now its getting colder.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 03 02 at 10:33 PM • permalinkRegarding those oh-so-true-to-their-principles lefties, I just got done watching CNN and was ready to heave a brick through the television (and it wasn’t my television). I don’t know about Australia but in the US it’s the height of societal sin to practice any form of ‘racial profiling’. And yet most of the howling I see from the left about the proposed ports deal with the UAE is just-barely-disguised anti-Arab ‘profiling’ dressed up as concern about ‘security’. The head of an Israeli port company wrote a letter to Hillary Clinton saying he supported the deal and that the UAE company was one of their important partners in world shipping and they had never had any problems with them. He decried the ‘politization’ of the issue. Then Jack McCaffrey (sp?) from CNN gets on right after that and said (in his best holier-than-thou tones) that it wasn’t about politization but was all about ‘security’ and screw what the Israeli said (more or less) because this didn’t have anything to do with Israel. Like the Israelis have no expertise when it comes to dealing with Arabs and security concerns. Of course it’s all about politization. Neither Jack McCafferty nor anyone else has made any sort of logical argument based on facts that there’s a problem. They just see it as an opportunity to try to make President Bush look bad and they’re going to take it, whether it goes against all their previous pontifications on ‘racial profiling’ or not. It’s simply “Oh, god, it’s the Arabs. We better run,” dressed up in more civilized tones. They are just the height of hyprocrisy.
Meanwhile, according to Gore we’re too hard on the Saudis. And according to every Democrat known to man, we shouldn’t do anything whatsoever to deal with the out-of-control border situation since that would discriminate against poor helpless ‘undocumented workers’ and we can’t have that. (Not that many Republicans are much better.)
So, let’s compare. A well known shipping company that works through the Coast Guard and has to follow their security procedures staffed by an international workforce that includes many Europeans and Americans and that will employ local US citizens and permanent residents at the actual port facilities versus a border over which any Tom, Dick or Harry from whatever country might walk across at any minute with only a slim chance of getting caught. Hmmm, I wonder where the bigger security hole might be and who has stymied efforts to deal with it.
You can also already see the shifting of goal posts going on. I didn’t catch the whole thing, but in that same segment they were quoting a guy talking about the ports deal and he wasn’t talking about security at all. Seeing as how no one has brought forth any actual, concrete instance of security problems with that company, I think the Bush bashers are casting about for other reasons to use when their original ones fall apart. He was citing the fact that Israeli citizens aren’t allowed into the UAE. He also said something along the lines of “there are reports that the government engages in censorship there.” And the tone of voice was like, “Oh my god, we can’t do business with anyone that practices censorship.” Like we don’t do that every freaking day. Can anyone say China (and a whole pile of other countries)? And as to the Israeli citizen issue, while it may be true that that’s the UAE policy, what the f*** does that have to do with the security in American ports? It’s so patently political after-the-fact rationalizing that it’s painful to watch.
I call b***s*** on you and your kind, Jack McCafferty. If it was all about security you wouldn’t be doing everything in your power to make it harder to actually take down the real culprits. By making surveillance harder, by questioning the legitimacy of investigative techniques, by giving away intelligence secrets, by throwing perspective to the wind and hyping legitimate stories beyond any rational level of balance and giving legitimacy to stories that don’t deserve it, and thereby inflaming public opinion in dangerous areas of the world, you’re working overtime against the security of the United States. And then you have the gall to use the very technique (racial profiling in everything but name) you decry just because it’s convenient? For shame.
(cont...)
Climate change denial is a far more serious ‘crime’ than Holocaust denial.
Hmm, then it might be time to bring these guys in front of the International Court:
Nine lies about global warming
Expect a conviction in 100 years or so…
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 03 02 at 10:44 PM • permalinkIf it wasn’t about ‘politization’ you wouldn’t have said and done all the things you’ve previously said and done. If you cared about security you would have acted like it before this. Or maybe you and your kind are so infantile that you can’t see the difference. For the party of nuance, you people are guilty of some of the most simplistic, black and white thinking ever seen on this planet. It’s a good thing you aren’t in the White House, with that level of analysis. “Arab fight Bush. Arab good. Arab cooperate with Bush. Arab bad.”
Or maybe it’s just yet one more case of leftist/Democratic projection. “We’ll accuse Bush and the Republicans of everything we are secretly guilty of doing ourselves but pretend we don’t. As much as we decry racial profiling, when push comes to shove, we’ll support the biggest, most simplistic, most un-analytical case of racial profiling that’s come down the pike in years. And we’ll be proud of it because that’s just how hypocritical we are.”
I’m not saying we shouldn’t have a discussion about security and whether the deal is in the best interests of the United States. But I am saying that if we are going to have a discussion about security it ought to be a real discussion about security with real facts and real rationality. Not the pseudo-discussion based on innuendo and game-playing that’s being touted by Jack and his buddies. That we can do without. It will accomplish nothing except to offend the sensibilities of those people actually on our side in the region and interested in working with us. What is going to cause more long-term damage, cartoons that we didn’t even print or us saying to a major partner in the region - f*** you, you’re Arab! ? Can’t they see that? Are they that stupid? For the “sensitive” ones they claim to be they sure are clods at times.
Thank you, Tim. I feel much better now. Okay, a little better. Your indulgence, and the indulgence of other posters, is appreciated.
Now you know why I never watch CNN. My nerves have been fragile lately, and couldn’t take the stress of restraining myself from picking up the tv and throwing it as far as I could. (Which wouldn’t be far; I’d probably just drop it on my foot. See? CNN is dangerous to your health!)
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 03 02 at 10:54 PM • permalinkGreenie: What? In spite of all of our sincere proselytizing, you still don’t believe in our doomsday cult?
The Sensible Skeptic: No, don’t be ridiculous.
Greenie: *gasp* Mother Gaia! *gasp* Blasphemy! Neocon lies!!! Denounce! Denounce! Cast out the heretic!!!
Find me my Kyoto Protocols, they’ll comfort me...
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 03 02 at 10:56 PM • permalinkSee, I was just sitting in this bar in B’klyn which is an island near New Yuk and I says to the barkeep, hey it’s friggin freezin in here, give me another scotch, geez, turn up the heat, geez, and he says aint you heered ov climate warmin and I sez Bu*****t and the next thing I know I’m collared by this friggin copper who looks like someone out o’ Law and Order and he says, s**t man, you’re goin down wit da law for hate speech, and here I am in the hooscow, hey, what in hell, where’s the phone call I’m entitled to, huh?
Don’t hold back kcom, tell us what you really think.
Actually I agree with you, and think you are absolutely correct about the politicization of this issue. The Bush Administration may have a tin ear for PR in this case, as in so many others, but the substance in this case (as in so many others) is on their side, at least as far as I can see. A lot of bureaucrats and Coasties must be scratching their heads trying to figure out what all the uproar is about. This is the Dems’ chance to get to the right of Bush on security, probably the only one they will ever find, or want for that matter. Bush’s usual supporters are keen to distance themselves from him for the moment.
John McCain was a lone voice of sanity. Wait for the facts he said. If the hearings by Congress are conducted intelligently we may get those facts. But it is likely that all they will be is a forum for a bunch of blowhard Congresscritters to mouth off about stuff they are ignorant of. A big help that will be.
As for the question of Israel, despite my fervent support for that country, it cannot be the sole touchstone of judging American policies. The US government must look out for American interests. The US should support Israel in her many hours of need, try to get a just settlement if possible (probably it is not, due to Arab intransigence), and aid her if it looks like the Muslims are actually going to finish the job Hitler started. But beyond that, whether or not UAE recognizes Israel or holds the same vicious attitudes towards her as the other Arab states cannot be an overriding concern for American policy-making.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 03 02 at 11:11 PM • permalinkStats — You’ll getcher damn phone call when the NSA can free up someone to monitor it, now shaddap, pencilneck!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 02 at 11:12 PM • permalinkDon’t you love how people like Wayne Sanderson brand anything they do not agree with as a ‘crime’? I mean, ‘Holocaust denial’ is f*cking idiotic, but should it be a crime? Even more ridiculous is that Sanderson considers the denial of something which occurred in the past to be less of an affront to being skeptical about a prediction of the future!
What an idiot!
18 Andrea
CNN is dangerous to your health!
I watch the Weather Channel, almost exclusively now....blood pressure has dropped to normal levels.
I do admit to peeking in on Fox News, but if I see a clip of Harry Reid or ‘we don’t need the Patriot Act Feingold’, before I start spitting and yelling, I flip to Weather.
Hannah Arendt’s “The Banality of Evil” can have supplement added: Eichmann found post humously guilty of contributing to Climate Change.
You think this idiot Sanderson would have noted that the Holocaust contribution to climate change was offset by the carbon sequestration credits the Nazis earned by “recovering” the diamonds of Jews, not to mention the recycling of clothing, hair gold fillings.
How sick is this jerk?
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 03 03 at 01:41 AM • permalinkSanderson is a dope who has cost people their jobs before now (colleagues of Nicky’s) and cost the taxpayers of Queensland many thousands of dollars in spurious FOI requests when he worked at the Courier Mail.
(Did you think of the fossil fuels used to fly down and return documents that you requested but never showed up to view Sando?)
Every time we hear this pillock’s name we make sure we drive unnecessary kilometres in one of these.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 03 03 at 02:30 AM • permalinkI don’t believe TV exists, myself.
Rhhardin — Santa Monica & Highland. They’re all over the place.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 03 at 11:05 AM • permalink26
I do admit to peeking in on Fox News
Don’t miss any late-breaking details in the still-unfolding saga of Natalie Holloway ...
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he does not consider the murder of six million Jews to be anything worse than a simple disagreement over a scientific theory.
Either that or he’s a dickhead.Why not both?
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 03 03 at 03:02 PM • permalink#40, Explain please…
If we went to war because of the Holocaust, why didn’t the detailed maps of the death trains’ routes, provided by the various underground organisations, get “bombed into oblivion”?
From a cave near Lublin, 1944:
"Let this outcry be heard over all the radios and read in all the newspapers of the world, that unless they stop at once the deportations of Hungary’s Jews - then will Germany be forever exiled from civilization.
“We ask that the crematoria in Auschwitz be bombed from the air. They are sharply visible, as shown on the enclosed map.
“Such bombing will delay the work of the German murderers.
“What is more important - to bomb persistently all the roads leading from Eastern Hungary to Poland and to bomb persistently the bridges in the neighborhood of Karpatarus. Drop all other business to get this done. Remember that one day of your idleness kills twelve thousand souls.
Why weren’t refugees accepted into Canada or Australia or the US?
Despite the fact that the U.S. received early reports about the desperate plight of European Jewry, procrastination and inaction marked its policies toward rescue. Immigration quotas were never increased for the emergency; the existing quotas, in fact, were never filled.
Legislation was introduced in the United States Congress in 1939 by Rep. Robert Wagner to admit a total of 20,000 Jewish children over a two-year period above the refugee quota applicable at the time. The legislation was inspired by similar efforts by the Dutch and British government to save Jewish children from Nazi terror.
The legislation was amended in committee to admit the 20,000 children only if the number of Jewish refugees admitted under the regular quota was reduced by 20,000. The bill died in the House after the sponsor withdrew his support for the bill in frustration.
It was a “just war”, no doubt, but don’t come the raw prawn that it had ANYTHING to do with any righteous anger over the Holocaust.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 03 03 at 08:02 PM • permalinkMentalFloss
If i was to change what you wrote to, say, “marsh arabs”, and then lay the accusations at Saddams feet? Or “gay men” and talk about iranian mullahs?
Its not what happened. Its still happening, just most of the perpertrators are smart enough now to bullshit about their intentions.
Im not sure that the allies believed the reports coming out due to the lack of logic involved. Or wrongly discounted the info as to fantastic.
Imagine a nation, fighting on multiple fronts, transport system in chaos. Yet their biggest priority is shipping a load of women and children for execution? Bizzare.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 03 04 at 12:59 AM • permalinkFrollicker, I agree. Instead of radio and post, today we have near instantaneous communications in multiple modalities. Satellite photography/tomography that can tell from space if you’re wearing a toupee.
The word CAN get out, and quickly, including, dare I say it, via blogs.
It takes someone to stop, look, listen and act—which, unless I am mistaken, is your point.
I’m sure the Allied command were astounded at many seemingly (and truly) insane tactical and strategic decision by a syphlitic, amphetamine-driven Hitler that had nothing to do with the Holocaust.
Case in point: The Israelis didn’t wait for an Iraqi nuke test, or for Osirak to go into full production—they just went and bombed the shit out of it as soon as they could.
Oddly, they were also ahead of every Muscleman country in supplying aid and comfort to Muslims in the Balkans BEFORE the atrocites there became fully public.
Heh, go figure.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 03 04 at 04:39 PM • permalinkMentalFloss,
You’re quite right that the war had nothing to do with outrage over the Holocaust, at least until the camps in the West were overrun at the end and film came out, and people *saw* what had been going on. I know the Soviets had overrun the real death camps in the East, but the Soviets weren’t exactly an unimpeachable source, even with film.
However, bombing the rail lines wouldn’t have delayed things by much at all. Rail lines can be repaired in a matter of hours. It takes a sustained bombing campaign to keep a rail line out of commission, and that still wouldn’t stopped the camps—the Germans would just have marched the prisoners (they weren’t all Jews by any means) around the breaks. Bombing the camps themselves and destroying the gas chambers and crematoria would’ve done a bit more, but only the crematoria would’ve taken long to repair and I seriously doubt the killing would’ve slowed down by much at all.
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I seriously doubt the killing would’ve slowed down by much at all.
Boy howdy. Tying up scarce rail resources to ship folks to a centralized location for the purpose of killing them is ... it’s amazingly stupid. Doing so in wartime is ever-so-much more-so. The round-up squads could have saved considerable time and other resources just by shooting Gypsies / Jews / Catholics / Commies / Union-organizers / whoever-else ON THE SPOT. I’m glad that they slowed themselves down with their ridiculous inefficiency, while still reeling in disbelief at the inefficiency itself. It’s just stunning.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 03 06 at 06:55 PM • permalink
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