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Kyoto, once the most popular Protocol of them all, is increasingly shunned:

John Howard claims he has been vindicated over his opposition to the Kyoto Protocol after business groups in New Zealand and Germany demanded their countries quit the agreement as soon as possible and join the Asia-Pacific climate pact.

A coalition of 22,000 New Zealand businesses, under the auspices of the New Zealand Chambers of Commerce and Industry, called on both parties in the New Zealand election to start talks on pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol by 2008 - the earliest possible date to do so …

Germany’s industry bodies said last week “the hopes on the Kyoto Protocol were unfortunately not fulfilled” and that consideration for all countries to join the recently agreed six-nation Asia-Pacific Clean Air and Development partnership “after the expiration of the Kyoto Protocol in 2012”.

Posted by Tim B. on 08/28/2005 at 07:59 PM
  1. Me, I think TCP/IP is the most popular protocol of all. But that just shows what a geek I am!

    Posted by Steven Den Beste on 2005 08 28 at 09:51 PM • permalink

  2. Another one of those “good ideas” fails to work in practice. Kyoto supporters are nuts.

    Posted by Marty K on 2005 08 28 at 09:53 PM • permalink

  3. Hello! The lights are on. Welcome to the real world numbnuts.

    Posted by cal on 2005 08 28 at 10:05 PM • permalink

  4. But, but… isn’t Chimpy McBushitler’s refusal to join the rest of the civilized/enlightened world the only reason it failed???


    /ignoramus moonbattus

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 08 28 at 10:34 PM • permalink

  5. Kyoto goes nowhere for a decade, and the Howard- and Bush-backed Asia-Pacific pact gets good press and international approval inside of a couple of months after ratification. Expect lots of newly popped moonbat heads over this.

    BTW, as far as most “popular” protocol, I suspect the Elders of Zion could give Kyoto and TCP/IP a run…

    Posted by PW on 2005 08 28 at 10:34 PM • permalink

  6. That Asia-Pacific agreement, is that the one that unilateralist Bush helped create?

    Posted by Iron Dave on 2005 08 28 at 11:26 PM • permalink

  7. Well, you better batten down the hatches for the incoming storm of news reports which will solemnly invoke Hurricane Katrina as evidence of freak weather events caused by global war..er, climate change.

    Posted by cuckoo on 2005 08 28 at 11:38 PM • permalink

  8. James Wolcott is about to orgasm.

    Posted by dorkafork on 2005 08 29 at 12:49 AM • permalink

  9. If James Wolcott is about to orgasm, it’s because he finally listened to the real world and f***ed himself.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 29 at 01:06 AM • permalink

  10. OT, but oh-so-amusing… methinks some lawyers have been called!

    I wish to inform everyone…

    G’day. Fairfax’s security systems are intact. I did not and do not have access to or use Fairfax Digital personal information systems, nor have I ever wanted to. In accordance with the acceptance of an offer I made to Fairfax last week to formally and completely put this fact on the record, I state:

    I understand that Fairfax has received a number of complaints from people who contributed to my former WebDiary on the Fairfax website. Those complaints relate to an email sent to those contributors directing them to my new Webdiary.

    I wish to inform everyone that Fairfax was not responsible for sending those emails, which were sent on my behalf solely for information purposes.

    Margo Kingston,
    Webdiary

    Posted by James Waterton on 2005 08 29 at 01:43 AM • permalink

  11. So shouldn’t we be hearing from the “hurricane rooters’ right about now? You know, those folks who cheer on impending disasters of biblical proportion like Katrina just to show us the devastation we’ve unleashed by not signing on to Kyoto?

    Posted by lil varmint on 2005 08 29 at 01:44 AM • permalink

  12. They’re already doing that at Daily Kos and DU…

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 08 29 at 02:16 AM • permalink

  13. And I’ll bet none of those mindless twits at Daily Kos and DU live in the path of the hurricane.  Wonder what they’ll do when Mother Nature grabs them by the balls and squeezes.  Most likely, instead of meekly accepting their fate, they’ll run for cover, and then whinge about not getting immediate and personal assistance grom the government.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 08 29 at 03:51 AM • permalink

  14. JeffS, and the left will gladly dance on the graves of those killed by the hurricane Katrina.  Gleefully, they will try and twist and bend the facts, all to blame GW Bush for those deaths.  The DU and Kos cultists welcome the deaths of others just so they can try and make some twisted point.

    Posted by David Crawford on 2005 08 29 at 04:48 AM • permalink

  15. I am loving this. Germany was supposed to be one of the easy wins for Europe after closing down all the inefficient East German industry in the early 1990s. If they’re bleating it must be bad.

    As for NZ, its about time they reaped the whirlwind from their easy, soft left international positions over the last two decades.

    Posted by Francis H on 2005 08 29 at 04:54 AM • permalink

  16. As long as the Asia - Pacific pact actually causes some benefits, and not just smoke (eg.  effecient usage of materials, always a good thing, and less pollution, if only for the local effects (if not global) of heavy industry generally not being overly healthy, etc) then it should be a good thing. I never saw why giving money to Russia simply to keep the electricity on was a good idea. Especially when those nations that most supported it were those least affected by any necessary changes.

    Posted by Stuart Lord on 2005 08 29 at 05:01 AM • permalink

  17. once the most popular Protocol of them all

    Oh come on, nobody’s making any jokes about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion being so popular among Islamists?

    Posted by Aaron - Freewill on 2005 08 29 at 05:45 AM • permalink

  18. Spiny - it is ChimpyMcBusHitler’s fault that Kyoto is in trouble.  The US was supposed to jump off the cliff first and cushion the landing for all of the “lesser” countries.

    The trick to a suicide pact is to go last, just to make sure the other parties are honest.

    Posted by deadman on 2005 08 29 at 06:00 AM • permalink

  19. “the hopes on the Kyoto Protocol were unfortunately not fulfilled”

    And those hopes were:

    1)Hobbling the US economy.
    2)Transferring large sums of money to the third world to build their..er..ah infrastructure.
    3)Establishing the environmental movement as a major force in international politics.

    Posted by Arty on 2005 08 29 at 06:50 AM • permalink

  20. Give it time, and I’m sure at least one muslim country will pass a law requiring all internet traffic to be transported using the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 08 29 at 09:20 AM • permalink

  21. Cinders schminders.
    Geoffrey robnson and denton embrace in a kind of mutual self congratulatory this is your human rightsfest.
    the mediawitch doesn’t touch mark steyn with a bargepole.

    Posted by crash on 2005 08 29 at 10:10 AM • permalink

  22. oops sorry wrong thread.

    Posted by crash on 2005 08 29 at 10:12 AM • permalink

  23. Jew Hate Transport Protocol over TCP Elders (of) Zion (JHTP over TCPEZ)!  It even sounds catchy.

    We should encourage as many left-wing regimes to implement their ideas as possible.  Nothing will help transport hardworking clever people to the west faster!  Now we need ideas to get rid of the parasitic lefties?!?

    Posted by Rob Read on 2005 08 29 at 11:28 AM • permalink

  24. I’ve been using the Elders of Zion protocol to connect to the Internet for over a year, now (right after the the time I switched to Mozilla Firefox). 

    It works great, except that when I download porn, the women all have burkas on.

    Posted by JayC on 2005 08 29 at 11:36 AM • permalink

  25. JayC,

    Yep Intifada Explorer really is bad, and now I can’t even visit football sites.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2005 08 29 at 12:34 PM • permalink

  26. Don’t leftists ever get tired of being wrong?

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 08 29 at 01:09 PM • permalink

  27. Actually, the quickest way to slow this global warming business would be to carpet bomb China’s industrial capacity. However, that would probably excite comment.

    Posted by paco on 2005 08 29 at 01:16 PM • permalink

  28. paco,

    no the only way to stop climate change is to stasis the planet.

    It’s got nothing (that’s vanishingly little) to do with people!

    Posted by Rob Read on 2005 08 29 at 01:49 PM • permalink

  29. Rob:

    You are hereby drafted to chair the International Committee on Stasis.

    No, seriously, I agree with you. The earth is very much a self-regulating organism. Besides, if we carpet bomb China, where would we get our multifarity of doo-dads?

    Posted by paco on 2005 08 29 at 02:25 PM • permalink

  30. It’s good to see John Howard having a Nelson Muntz moment.

    Posted by 2dogs on 2005 08 29 at 03:10 PM • permalink

  31. paco,
    All International Committees are automatically experts on beurocratic stasis.  I defer to the stasis experts, the UN.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2005 08 29 at 04:59 PM • permalink

  32. #24 JayC

    That is really funny.  Still laughing.

    Posted by Happy John on 2005 08 29 at 08:23 PM • permalink

  33. In other words, the Germans are saying that the alliance with Russia didn’t work out as well as expected so they’re trying an alliance with Asian countries.

    If we don’t bail out France this time, do you think that they’ll score it a win?

    Posted by Andy Freeman on 2005 08 30 at 10:50 AM • permalink

  34. @26: Rebecca: “Don’t leftists ever get tired of being wrong?”

    Huh?  They’re NEVER wrong…

    1) Their calculations merely need to be adjusted! 

    2) No one’s tried it seriously. 

    3) No one applied themselves to the idea properly.

    Take your pick :D.

    Posted by mamapajamas on 2005 08 30 at 04:42 PM • permalink

  35. Re Germany, the last thing we want is those control freaks in the EU getting their mitts on a sensible agreement and fouling it up with enforceable targets and quotas.

    Invite Britain to join, maybe, and shun the rest of that pack. We don’t want them in.

    Posted by Chris Harper on 2005 08 30 at 05:44 PM • permalink

  36. For one, that was an industry representative who voiced the opinion that Germany ought to join that pact. Why they’d insist on fixed quotas is anyone’s guess. For two, the control freaks are probably getting tossed out in favour of a more level-headed government in three weeks.

    A more level-headed government-to-be that, incidentally, has already talked about downgrading the German attachment to French foreign policy ideas in favour of re-strengthening the withered ties to the United States. (And fortunately, the way things usually go here in Germany, 7 years of a social democratic government will probably result in a decade and a half of conservatives in power again. Both Aussies and Americans may recognize the pattern.)

    Sorry, semi-random rant inspired by the previous post’s somewhat ignorant tone.

    Posted by PW on 2005 08 30 at 10:22 PM • permalink

  37. And today’s moonbat Kyoto top story comes from:  Robert F. Kennedy Jr.!
    null

    Posted by crusher_of_libs on 2005 08 31 at 07:53 AM • permalink

  38. Sorry, forgot to give the link in #37 a name, but is still works.

    Posted by crusher_of_libs on 2005 08 31 at 07:54 AM • permalink

  39. #36, I referenced the EU because, in the very nature of the beast, a German presence on environment issues implies a strong EU presence as well; regardless of who forms the government in Germany. The EU of course being the main control freaks refered to. However, the Christian Democrats, despite bearing the label ‘right wing’, are, from the Anglo point of view, incorrigable statists. They are only marginally less statist than the Social Democrats. Don’t forget, the Eurofraud grew mightily during the last CD government, with the full and vocal support of Kohl.

    The EU would insist on quotas and targets because that is fundamental to the Eurocrat mindset. Regulation is what people hired as regulators do. Regardless of how appropriate it is.

    Sorry, had to respond to that posters ignorant response.

    Posted by Chris Harper on 2005 08 31 at 09:11 AM • permalink

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