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NATION OF ISLAM
You learn something every day:
Australia is a Muslim nation, the head of Prime Minister John Howard’s Muslim advisory board says.
Wasn’t aware of this myself. Let’s hear him out:
Dr Ameer Ali says most Australians practise Muslim values but the Muslim community is being alienated and disadvantaged by Islamophobia ...
Before addressing a conference on national identity today, Dr Ali said Muslim values were practised in Australia.
"When I go abroad, they ask me where do I come from? I say I come from a Muslim country,” he said.
"Which country, they say. Australia.
"That’s not a Muslim country. Yes it’s Muslim country.
"For the value that my religion preaches, these people practise.”
We do?
(Via Dr. Sam)
So where are the atheist zealots who get their noses bent out of shape whenever someone has the audacity to claim it a Christian nation? Here in the US, such verbal retribution would be swift…
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 10 08 at 03:36 PM • permalinkBeach Bukha Babe, Ausdtralian-style.
(Hope this works. Last time I tried hotlinking an image I ended up with two cats doing the nasty.)
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 10 08 at 03:53 PM • permalinkphillip,
It’s interesting that 2004 Australian Humanist of the Year Peter Singer and Imam Khomeini have similar views on, er, animal husbandry.
Another example of Blair’s law.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 10 08 at 04:09 PM • permalinkWell, be fair, Tim, they did discover Australia (and the Americas too) first.
#9 & #10 But they’ll have to cancel any Aussie shows about bush rangers, bush pilots etc.
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 08 at 04:24 PM • permalinkOnce a jolly raghead
sated by his billygoat
under a limb lopped-on banyan tree
sang as he fondled how he dreamed about the caliphate‘We’ll go a-stoning Fatima, won’t we?
Stoning Fatima, Stoning Fatima
death to the whore for her apo-sta-sy!
and we’ll laugh as we stuff more Semtex up our tucker pipes:
Sharia in Sydney by twenty twenty three!”Ha, so Dr Ali says,
“For the value (sic) that my religion preaches, these people practise.
So I see Islam here but (the people) may not be Muslims, but in (other) countries I see Muslims but not Islam.”
Oh dear, the nation is Islam but the people may not be Muslims. How could that be?
Wait a minute, I’ve got it. Well at least Islam has lost orthopaedic surgeon, Mathew Nott to the RoCC (formerly Ro
GCGWCC - religion ofglobal coolingglobal warmingclimate change), that is if he ‘belonged’ to the RoP previously. I suppose Ali would say he did.Shock, horror, outrage, Apostasy! Quick, someone issue a fatwa.
Meanwhile Mathew Nott is still at it , the infidel.
But wait, Stop Press, didn’t Ali agree that the Islamic Church should be separate from the state?
How inconsistent, but WTF - I forgot, barbarians have no manners or any need for consistency of view, expression or principles. Anything goes as long as it serves the greater purpose which may be why they fit in so well with the lefties in today’s post modernist world.
#5 Cosmo, you just broke me up.
Surely you mean harlots? I keep getting visions of Hellas supporters rioting in the streets in response to the RoPers.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 08 at 06:10 PM • permalinkI wasn’t aware they stoned women in Australia for the crime of speaking to unrelated men. Or of being raped.
Not quite true, Rebecca. Modern Iran uses mobile cranes to hoist the offending women high on street corners pour encourager les autres - an efficient innovation, easier to organise, and they have a lot of idle cranes these days.
Vanguard (reminiscing port calls in Perth and Karachi), “No, no comparison at all.”
Concludes: Dr Ameer Ali oughta join the Navy. At least he would be able to tell the difference between a free, decent place to live and a theocratic concentration camp.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 10 08 at 06:53 PM • permalinkI can assure Ameer Ali, that as Australians, my friends and myself will see hell freeze over before we ever have a part of that primitive cult. Head down, arse up, five times a day will never take hold in this country. This is has to be the biggest crock of crap ever published in the MSM.
Why is John Howard even having these muslim suck hole fests anyway?
We are a Judeo Christian nation, no matter what Ali and the leftioid dhimmis may wish, or hope to have.
Just shows what happens, when the multicults get access to the MSM, no wonder it’s credibility is well on the slide.Footy and a few cartons of beer on the weekend?
Man, I’d better check with the friendly on-line imam to make sure myself and my friends are practising Islam the correct way!
Hmmmm.
Somehow I don’t see the average Aussie giving up alcohol.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 10 08 at 08:22 PM • permalinkAustralia is a muslim nation? Well, can you tell our pork and booze dodging mates to stop trying to blow us up then.
"For the value that my religion preaches, these people practise.”
I get it. Ameer is practising the Australian value of “taking the piss”.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 08 at 08:27 PM • permalink"Australia is Muslim nation”
Pigs arse, it is.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 10 08 at 09:05 PM • permalinkLike this muslim country?
this Muslim country?Lets see, can’t have a beer, eat pork, own a dog, or pretty much do anything fun, as a bonus, some gormless prick will start howling at zero dark hundred hours that I should get out of bed and pray.
Put me down for that one…
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 10 08 at 09:29 PM • permalinkI abstain from booze, pork products, fornication, I never allow female members of my family wander abroad unescorted and uncovered, I pray to Mecca ten times a day, believe everything is in the hands of some higher being and thus anything I do cannot change anything, so thus take no responsibility for my situation, I hold blind loathing, fear and distrust of anyone who doesn’t share my blinkered, atavistic views, and harbour paticular homicidal rage towards the descendants of crusaders, and especially the descendants of Abraham.
I also lie a lot.
"When I go abroad, they ask me where do I come from?
I say I come from a Muslim country,”“Which country, they say"
“Do you come from a land down under?
Where women glow and men plunder?
Can’t you hear, can’t you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover.”I think I see where he is coming from.
Now that I’m a muslim, thought I’d have a peek at the koran. Talk about a preachy book!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 08 at 10:08 PM • permalinkWould the song “The Band Played ‘Stoning Fatima’” be a pro-jihad or anti-jihad song?
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 10 08 at 10:17 PM • permalink53 too funny :)
The muslim advisory government is the new Islamic government for Australia didn’t you know you voted for this new section in the government?
You voted for an Islamic group within the government! Regardless if it was labour or liberal it will still remain.
Why give them any power? To stop bombs?
So Australia will now export the good beer abroad, and not just that horse piss, Fosters. Excellent!
And all those ugly leftie women will be wearing burkas as well. Margo, Traceeeeee, et al. Yet another silver lining in the clouds!
Just keep the beheadings, stonings, and honor killings at home, please.
Thank you.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 08 at 10:35 PM • permalink"We’re all Muslims now” ...
Since Australia is now a Muslim land, you guys better check out the Ayatolla’s rules and clarifications about wacking off during Ramadan.
http://tinyurl.com/fb5xwPosted by Shaky Barnes on 2006 10 08 at 10:43 PM • permalinkThe two least likely places on earth to become muslim are Australia and Texas. In one weekend they’ve tried to claim both. Talk about your Islamic Fantasist.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 08 at 10:51 PM • permalink#60 - Talk about getting things arse backwards. “Only jockeys are allowed to gamble on horse races” - The only creatures more adept at taqqiya, underhandedness, dirty tricks, victimhood etc than muslims are the little people known as jockeys!
In keeping with local customs Ask an Imam will now be known as Ask a Publican.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 08 at 10:56 PM • permalink#48dee.
No, that lot will not pay for anything. With big super payouts and perks etc; on leaving office, they who caused this crap, get off scot free. We, the punters, who have to have this cult outfit in our communities are the ones who pay them. . . over and over till they drop dead. Wonder how many mosques, and multicults etc, are in Hawkes, Keatings or Whitlams neighbourhoods. Still, one positive, we the taxpayer do not have to pay Al(shifty)Grasby’s out of parliament perks.I dunno...tourism would suffer, I think.
Somehow I can’t picture Lara Bingle in a burkha saying “May Allah curse the people who do not visit Al-Stralia” attracting planeloads of Yanks, eh?
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 08 at 11:22 PM • permalinkO/T (Sorta, but we are talking about lunatics...)
North Korea has detonated a nuclear device.
Expect a strongly worded letter from the Useless Nations.
It reminds me of Tom Lehrer’s immortal words:
First we got the bomb, and that was good,
‘Cause we love peace and motherhood.
Then Russia got the bomb, but that’s okay,
‘Cause the balance of power’s maintained that way.
Who’s next?France got the bomb, but don’t you grieve,
‘Cause they’re on our side (I believe).
China got the bomb, but have no fears,
They can’t wipe us out for at least five years.
Who’s next?Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day.
South Africa wants two, that’s right:
One for the black and one for the white.
Who’s next?Egypt’s gonna get one too,
Just to use on you know who.
So Israel’s getting tense.
Wants one in self defense.
“The Lord’s our shepherd,” says the psalm,
But just in case, we better get a bomb.
Who’s next?Luxembourg is next to go,
And (who knows?) maybe Monaco.
We’ll try to stay serene and calm
When Ronald Reagan gets the bomb.
Who’s next?
Who’s next?
Who’s next?
Who’s next?
Muslim advisory board Interview
“Now Dr Ali, how fo you interpret Australian values?”
“thank you for asking such an important question- it is one that i have given deep thought too”
“ Good we’re getting on fine. that’s a pass on that one then”
“ Thank you. you are a nice kaffir”
“ I’m sorry we only serve tea at inteviews-
and tell me what would you do with the one hundred thousand dollars payable to succesful applicants”
“It would be of great help for my son who wants to become a proud Aussie pilot for Qantas”
“ Well yes that’s a pass too on that one”
“ And finally,as a woman of liberal persuasion, can i ask you about the treatment of women in Islamic society?”
“ We respect and protect women immensely. The Burkha is a protection to islamic women. They feel safe and pious and know their rights will not be violated.
it was the same for the Jews and Christian, who were advised to wear wooden crosses and yellow stars so that muslims could protect their rights in the Dhimma.”
“Goodness,further proof that Islam is the religion of peace! Well Dr, I would like to shake your hand and welcome you to the advisory commitee!”
“ I’m sorry i am not allowed to shake your hand”Doesn’t this idiot realize that most of the inhabitants of this country already follow a backwards, idiotic religion that worships barbarity and is non-inclusive of women ?
Mine is AFL......Posted by Rachel Corrie's Flatmate on 2006 10 09 at 12:10 AM • permalinkTo be fair to Dr Ali, we should be more concerned about the Muslims that are outraged by his comments than by him. Basically his position is that Australia is fine as it is, no need for reform, and is perfectly in keeping with his beliefs. I guess this the voice of the Moderate Muslims we’ve been waiting to come to the fore. Yet this statement is apparently outrageous to many others from his community.
Posted by daddy dave on 2006 10 09 at 12:29 AM • permalink#67
Tom Lehrer was one of the last times a good sense of humour was spotted on the left.#71 Daddy Dave
Mmm - yes perhaps you’re right in interpreting Mr Ali’s comments like this, but Oz is a Muslim nation? This is an OK statement to you?
Much more preferable would have been something like this “Australia shares the values of the Muslim religion - peace, love blah blah”
"Values are universal. Human values - there is no such thing as Australian values.”
He also said this - then what the heck is everyone on about? Talking about Australian values to be taught to all migrants here?
Anyway I much prefer Mr Ali’s mixed messages to those of Keyser Trad - whose messages are never mixed
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 10 09 at 01:17 AM • permalink#77 You mean you smoked of the tree of knowledge, partook of what the woman offered? Therefore were ye banished from Eden.
[Actually, it’s a common misconception that A&E were banned for sinning—they weren’t. They were banned to prevent them becoming immortal from the doobie of the tree of life!]
(p.s. I am channelling Mishna because its what I do upon hearing news like in t’other thread about NuKorea)
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 10 09 at 03:08 AM • permalinkIt will not be very long before the UK is hit again by terrorists if this is anything to go by. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460721,00.html
#23 Kilo.
You mean like the beer-swilling ones at Cronulla who go around attacking ethnic minorities?
Fuck off, Kilo, you ignorant lying piece of shit.
And don’t bitch about me lacking manners, or having ‘nothing of substance’ to respond to you. You’ve had opportunties to write proper posts, but you’re just a mindless, drive-by, one-line-wank loser, and you don’t deserve any better than a kick up the arse.
#35 E. Nough
Satisfy my curiosity: does every religion have an “advisory board” to the Australian PM, or are there certain criteria that have to be met?
The criteria is to egotistically whinge and threaten the most so that everyone has to pay attention to you.
Muslims routinely claim to be the second largest religious group in Australia. This is false. After Christianity - number 2 is Buddhism.
The peaceful Buddhists are apparently able to fulfil their spiritual needs in private without hassling everybody else about it. And despite their larger numbers, we have no “Buddhist Advisory Board” and noone from that communtiy is
even asking fordemanding one.There’s a lesson for us in there somewhere…
# 64 Wonder how many mosques, and multicults etc, are in Hawkes, Keatings or Whitlams neighbourhoods.
Not many where they live, but plenty in their former electorates - knowing how Labor MPs like to live in their electorates and all.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 10 09 at 06:13 AM • permalinkSorry guys, footy won’t be quite the same.
http://ummahnewslinks.com/2006/06/21/jihadist-site-soccer-is-against-islam.aspx
Doctor Ali is closer to the truth than most of us would guess. Consider the following:
“Four of the Netherlands’ major cities - Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht have muslim majorities in the under fourteen year age group” (Quadrant, September 2006)
In 20 years Holland WILL BE A MAJORITY MUSLIMI NATION. What makes any of you think that the same principles of demography that have caused this situation in Holland are not happening in Australia?
Consider also this quote also from Quadrant magazine:
“Taqiyya is the doctrine whereby any lies or deceit may be justified in the cause of defeating the infidel. It is a “cloak for the believer” that provides a religious dispensation for such things as “friendship with unbelievers” and other subterfuges. When one reads the soothing words of our Islamic “moderates”, the doctrine of Taqiyya should never be far from our minds.” (John Stone, Quadrant September 2006).
We have some time in which to act - unfortunately for the Dutch they’ve thrown 500 years of culture into the can.
If we don’t act soon then Dr Ali has gotten three of the four dimensions right in claiming Australia as a musllim nation and therefore by my calculations he is 75% correct.
Hamid, his name is Hamid.
Mrs Hamid, when asked “Was he planning to make a bomb?”
answered “ I refuse to even be asked that question...”
Asked “So why did he buy 19 bottles of hydrogen peroxide...”
“I don’t know. Maybe it was for… ... ...(more stuff) Maybe he planned something in Europe. ... But he didn’t go through with it.”
Yeah, bint. Probably a bomb.
Can’t wait to see the transcript, when it is uploaded.
Willow76, I think you’re a bit pessimistic with the 20 year projection. I don’t think the stats support that.
But if you’re talking over 50 or so years, then yep, I could see Islam hitting the 50% mark in Holland.
On the other hand, they have recently introduced much tougher immigration laws, so those trends (hopefully) won’t be borne out.
#89 Current recruitment rate (resulting from births only) for muslims in the Netherlands is around 7. Recruitment rate for the native dutch is in negative territory. With the under 14 year old cohort currently being in the majority in four major cities - there is little doubt that within 20 years Holland will be majority muslim.
Note that I did not take into account immigration numbers - if muslim immigration is reduced to zero the above scenario will still take place.
Never underestimate the importance of exponential growth. Even small differences in recruitment rates can lead to massive demographic changes over time. Large differences in recruitment rates, as seen in present day Holland (and other western nations), will lead to massive demographic changes in a very short time.
#90:
Those four largest Dutch cities only account for 1/8th of the total Dutch population though, or 1/4th if including the metro areas. I highly doubt the mid-level cities (100,000+) are comparable to Rotterdam et al., and I also suspect the “under-14 Muslim majority” factoid only holds true if you exclude the metro areas of the four cities.
Overall, Muslims still only comprise (officially) about 6% of the Dutch population. That’s not going to turn into 50% within one generation no matter how exponential their growth is.
Willow76, you’ve made a serious calculation error somewhere. It’s hard to pinpoint where because you haven’t provided sources nor calculations, just conclusions.
To achieve the result you predict, Dutch muslims would need to be capable of quintupling their population in 20 years by natural fertility alone (and I’m being extremely generous to your assumptions when I say quintupling - more likely they would need to increase at least 8-fold, not just a ‘mere’ five-fold).
But anyway, to give you an example of how remote this possibility is, if we applied your alleged fertility rate to some other countries:
- Indonesia would have a population of 5 billion in 40 years.
- Iran would have a population of ~1.7 billion in 40 years.
- China would have a population of 35 billion in 40 years.Sorry, but no human population, muslim or not, is capable of such high fertility rates.
Well ekb87, you might very well be right about that. But I’m willing to try. And I think I can speak for a few other good men here, paco, Richard McEnroe, MarkL, that’s willing to try to quintriple the fertility rate of Dutch women.
And by the way, are you saying there’s no problem with the fertility rates of Indonesia, Iran, and China? Because if there is, we’re willing to do our bit for those countries too. Of course, we might need to get paid for that, being that it would take all our time. But I’m sure something can be worked out.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 10 09 at 12:41 PM • permalinkYep point taken - I was assuming basically a similar proportion of muslims in the under 14 age group for the rest of the country.
The over 50% number for that particular cohort is actually more like 55%. Considering the difference between the recruitment rates; if muslims aren’t edging over 50% of the total population in those cities by 2026 I’ll kiss an Imam.
The point still stands that reducing Muslim immigration will not prevent this from happening.
The whole argument is based on the “over 50% under age of 14 are muslims in those four major cities factoid”. I got this from Quadrant which is usually pretty good with facts. The muslim recruitment rate is based on the birth rate and the fact that the muslim pop’n is still relatively young. So there weren’t any serious calculations involved. Wouldn’t mind running some numbers on the situation - as I think this sort of stuff is swept under the carpet - even in Holland. You keen ekb 87?
Considering the difference between the recruitment rates; if muslims aren’t edging over 50% of the total population in those cities by 2026 I’ll kiss an Imam.
Okay, let’s run some numbers: According to Wikipedia, ethnic Dutch currently account for 81% of the Dutch population, and Muslims for 6.1%. For ease of calculation, we’ll ignore the remaining 13% non-Dutch, not-Muslims, and any minor overlap (i.e. ethnic Dutch who have converted to Islam).
Now, Even if the Dutch stopped procreating altogether tomorrow, and half of them died off within 20 years (which is way too high an assumption, given that the strong post-WWII cohorts will only begin to enter their die-off phase around 2020), that would leave us with 40.5 percentage points of ethnic Dutch. Obviously, to account for a majority of the population, that means that Muslims would have to go from 6 percentage points to over 40 points, or a seven-fold increase, within just 20 years. That’s simply not going to happen, no matter how scary you think the numbers are or how often you repeat that “the point still stands”.
It hardly matters anyway, since 50% probably isn’t needed for the shit to hit the fan here in Europe...getting to 15-20% will be plenty enough, and that certainly is possible within 20-30 years in some countries.
How many qualifications do you want me to make PW? I repeat: the statement was based on the assumption that the religious demography was similar across the country. I also wonder how accurate the wikipedia data is (might be based on old census data - who knows?); however I suppose we have to work with something.
The key to demographic change is the recruitment of new individuals and the fact still stands that this is strongly positive for muslim immigrants and slightly negative for native dutch. Changes to immigration laws will not increase the native dutch recruitment rate nor will it decrease the muslim birth rate.
Claiming that immigration laws can be tightened to prevent these problems is akin to driving a truck down a steep hill without breaks and claiming everything is OK because you are no longer depressing the accelerator pedal.
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