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The latest from Australia’s Sheikh Taj El-Deen El-Hilali:
Muslim cleric Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali branded Australians liars and excused gang rapists in an interview aired on Egyptian television this week.
The controversial religious leader also claimed in the interview that Muslims had more right to live in Australia than those descended from convicts.The sheik’s comments come just months after he compared scantily clad women to uncovered meat and said such women should blame themselves if they were raped.
"Their values [Australia’s] are upside down. They have no democracy, no freedom. They are the worst liars and unjust people,” the sheik said in the Arabic-language interview.
Alhilali also defended the Muslim men convicted of Sydney’s gang rapes, a position that has caused controversy in the past.
"They arranged to meet in a public park at 2 or 3 am in the morning, and it (the sex) was agreed on,” he said.
Alhilali also poured scorn on Australia’s convict history and seemed to suggest Muslims were in Australia long before the British settled here in 1788.
"Australia is no longer Anglo-Saxon. We’ve been in Australia longer than them. Islam is deep rooted in the Australian soil. Islam was here before the English fleet."
Leftoids will have to revise their Invasion Day date. Further Hilali news:
The sheik was invited to appear on Egyptian television to explain his sermon comparing women who show some skin, to uncovered pieces of meat that invite predators.
At the time, Sheikh al Hilaly claimed his comments were taken out of context, but on Today in Cairo he defended the remarks, blaming the media for the national outcry.
"This is a calculated conspiracy aimed at terrorising our Islamic community, aimed at me first in order to bring the Islamic community to its knees,” Sheik Hilaly said in Arabic.
As usual, Keysar Trad claims Hilali was quoted out of context:
IFAA spokesman Keysar Trad says says he apologises for the comments if they have caused offence, but says the Sheikh has been misinterpreted.
"I do understand that some people taking these comments without looking at the full video would take offence to them,” he said.
"As an Australian Muslim ... I do feel like apologising to these people and also appealing to them to understand the context, it would seem he was trying to explain away that controversy and put it behind him and there were a couple of slip-ups."
Nostradamus predicted this only last week:
A Mohammedan leader again causes great consternation,
Speaking of women as vile temptresses and harlots,
And predicting the coming sharia revolution.
“He was quoted out of context,” says Keysar Trad.
(Via Dr Sam, Dan Lewis, Steve M., Wolfbane, Raff, Ann J., and J.F Beck)
Was Keysar Trad born on the Hister River?
/nostradamus moonbat referencePosted by andycanuck on 2007 01 11 at 11:55 AM • permalinkMr Keating, were the extra votes the ALP received for overiding Chris Hurford, when he said this Hilali character should be deported, worth it? Like Fraser before you, trying to be ‘stylish’, and you for votes. No wonder more and more Australians are starting to hold some politicians in contempt. To Kayser Trad. We don’t want an explanation from this individual, just his departure, and you his propaganda spin doctor of the Goebbelisque style can also feel free to leave. I fail to see what your ‘mentor’ has contributed to Australia, accept to rubbish this country. He would not be here if it were not for greedy vote buying, by desparate politicians. Sod off.
"Muslim cleric Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali branded Australians liars and excused gang rapists in an interview aired on Egyptian television this week.”
Friendly advice from an American to Australia…
This is what we call an “undesirable alien”.
Correct proceedure to deal with undesirables:
1.) Strip the turd of his citizenship.
2.) Kick his ass out of your country and send him back to the Muslim shithole he came from.
Here’s a call from the cluephone for the government of Australia: You are NOT obliged to open your doors and admit the scum of the earth.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 11 at 11:59 AM • permalink"The controversial religious leader . . .”
Other controversial figures:
Adolf Hitler: controversial German politician;
Mao Tse Tung: controversial agrarian reformer;
Fidel Castro: controversial cigar aficionado;
Robert Fisk: controversial typist
Al Gore: controversial successor to Hodur, Nordic god of Winter
Antoine Lowenstein: controversial controversialist
Correct proceedure to deal with undesirables:
1.) Strip the turd of his citizenship.
2.) Kick his ass out of your country and send him back to the Muslim shithole he came from.
And if you’re lucky, the Israelis will arrest him on his way over.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 01 11 at 12:07 PM • permalinkClearly his speech on Egyptian television, and the predictable outrage, is a Western Zionist plot to distract people from the atrocities being committed daily on David Hicks and by the Bush and Howard Governments.
Ahem.
Here’s the thing: Hilaly is not the problem. It is the number of people who agree with him, who are.
As the Sheikh is after all the Grand Mufti of OZ what he says is the final word on what Muslims here think right?
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 01 11 at 12:24 PM • permalinkAustralia is no longer Anglo-Saxon. We’ve been in Australia longer than them. Islam is deep rooted in the Australian soil. Islam was here before the English fleet.”
And another little known fact of Muslim superiority: apparently, Muslims even invented Blues music long before Americans did! And so naturally are entitled to be considered an integral part of American history!
"It would seem he was trying to explain away that controversy and put it behind him”.
Well he just did a real bang-up job of that one, didn’t he now. SEEMS? Exactly how does that seem to be what he was doing?
But that’s okay, because the Arabic was mistranslated / Catholic priests were saying the same thing 30 years ago / Muslims have a rich cultural tradition of making up historical facts etc. etc.
And another little known fact of Muslim superiority: apparently, Muslims even invented Blues music long before Americans did!
*sigh*
It’s like they’re parodying the Klingon from the Star Trek movie who claimed you couldn’t appreciate Shakespeare until you read him in the Klingon.
(Which, itself, was a parody of the stereotypical Cold War Russian habit of doing the same thing.)
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 01 11 at 12:47 PM • permalinkIf nobody else is going to assassinate this bastard, I will.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2007 01 11 at 01:14 PM • permalinkOn local radio (Perth) this afternoon, Trad claimed that Hilaly was actually, after being asked why he still lived here (having been in so much strife on multiple occasions) “proclaiming his love for Australia”. Trad claimed that Hilaly answered by saying he loved living here, he’d paid his fare to come here and wasn’t bound by chains to remain here (paraphrasing, but that’s as near as damn it). Of course, the interviewer (make that intellectual midget) just let it slide, unchallenged.
This slimy-tongued snake gets away with this stuff year after year. Until today, I hadn’t realised that he’s been the self-appointed islam/muslim (NO, no capital) “spokesman” for over ten years.
I vaguely recalled an article quoting Trad saying something along the same lines. And so I set about finding it. Unfortunately, the article was published well before I started studying islam (v the West) after 9/11 intensely, and keeping (now vast) files. But find it I did. An essay on elitism, doncha know?
“The criminal dregs of white society colonised this country, and now, they only take the select choice of other societies, and the descendants of these criminal dregs tell us that they are better than us”. Br. Keysar Trad – 1996
http://worldwar111.blogspot.com/2006/02/racisim-islamic-response.html It’s worth reading the whole thing for another gem or two. This website has a ton of stuff on Trad but, until today, I’d not known of it.
Personally, I’d prefer Hilaly to continue to to shoot his mouth off at every opportunity. He’s a great awareness-raiser. It’s Trad that needs to be brought to account. His slimy taqiya is more dangerous than Hilaly’s rants will ever be.
#13 RebeccaH
...and the stupid twit is too ignorant to realize that Muslim Arabs were enslaving blacks long before Europeans ever did, and that blacks are even today called “slaves” in Arabic.
That’s because the Arabs have never stopped enslaving black Africans. They continue to do so in southern Sudan as we speak.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 11 at 01:44 PM • permalinkI don’t want to toot my own horn—oh, who am I kidding?—but this blog entry exposes how Islam’s warlike expansion sowed the seeds of its own destruction (yay, Great Satan!).
#18, #22
Strangers on My Flight
LOL! Absolutely classic!
Sing it, Frankie...
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 11 at 02:57 PM • permalinkRatta Tat Tat Tat,
Budda Bing Bang Boom,
Zooma Zooma Zoom.
Send those bastards to the moon...LMAO!
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 11 at 03:02 PM • permalinkAnd of course, Rob and Rebecca, our newspaper printed an article about this little known “fact” with complete credulity.
You mind if I grind my teeth for a while? I ask only because the sound it makes is going to be quite loud. Why are so many reporters unable to apply even 1/10th the skepticism towards Islam that they show towards Christianity?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 01 11 at 03:38 PM • permalinkWhy are so many reporters unable to apply even 1/10th the skepticism towards Islam that they show towards Christianity?
Because that would be “culturally insensitive” at the very least, and quite probably result in accusations of Racism! In a world so controlled by political correctness as the News Media, it is the absolutely worst thing that could happen, and possibly career-ending.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 01 11 at 04:01 PM • permalink(to the tune of Taking Care of Business)
If you get in with the right bunch of fellows
People see you on TV
Just a-lying about dhimmi
Tell them that you like it this way
It’s the work that we avoid
And we’re all self-employed
We love to work at nothing all day
And we beQuoted out of context (every day)
Quoted out of context (every way)
We been quoted out of context (it’s all mine)
Quoted out of context while blabbing overtime!Why are we so anti?
I mean think of the Muslim contributions to society :
Imploding - we used to think this was just for buildings.
Exploding - we thought this was a great increase in population, they’ve shown that just one man can explode.
Towelhead - We thought this was something the missus wore after washing her hair.
Kamikaze - may have been Japanese or Cuminkazi used to refer to George Michael but they have given the act direction - Valhalla! A place to visit after seeing your arse....fly past your eyes....the Japenese may have acquired their slanted eyes trying to achive this while in a Cuminkaze...or was that George?
That’s brilliant blogstrop. I’ll be humming this tune all week.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 11 at 04:27 PM • permalinkEven Keysar Trad, media tart, looked embarrassed this time! I’m even beginning to feel sorry for him.
Sheikh Hilaly should realise that those of us who do have convict ancestors are very proud of it. Those ancestors helped build this wonderful country we have today - the world’s oldest continuous democracy, a country in which most people have high standards of living and are law-abiding, tolerant and decent, and where freedom of speech is respected (except when that speech is meant to damage and divide).
Instead of making such stupid remarks, the Sheikh should be analysing why a nation founded by “people in shackles” has made so many advances in a mere 200 years, whereas the Islamic world, once the leader in science, mathematics and architecture, among other things, has gone backwards ever since.
Australia’s great achievement was to make many poor criminals into decent productive citizens of a successful society.
Under Hilalai, Islam’s desire in Australia is to make all decent Moslems into ‘productive’ criminals in a self-destructive orgy..Hilali’s attempted defence of brutal Moslem gang rape is emblematic of the cell pool of his mind.
"My goodness these perfidious infidels descendants of murderers are monitoring my private discussions with the Egyptian brotherhood. Send for Keysar immediately!”
“I’m sorry grand mufti, he’s busy laying the taqiya on the kaffir at the SBS, our good freinds as you know”
“Well Send for Keating. after all it was I who helped him win that election. Time for payback!”
“BUt he is a descendant of hardened criminals apes and a breeder of pigs, almost as bad as being a Jew! and don’t forget it was him who sent that policeman to accuse you of driving a car without Insurance or a driving licencs “
“ Blessed Muslims should not abide by the laws of the accursed kafir descendants of murderers and thiefs! I know the answer! Send for the father of David Hicks, he’ll save us. He’s managed to squeeze hundreds of thousands out of the kafir government to help his mujahadeedn son “
“Yes and everyone now believes he’s a home grown country boy, they’ve even managed to make his true name, the name he loves to use, vanish from public view!”
“What’s that?”
“Muhammad Dawood”
“Send for him.we need him. the Man is a genius- a true Goebbels!”#32 AnnJInstead of making such stupid remarks, the Sheikh should be analysing why a nation founded by “people in shackles” has made so many advances in a mere 200 years, whereas the Islamic world, once the leader in science, mathematics and architecture...
Except they didn’t. And never have.
Indeed yes many Arabs did make great advances in science, mathmatics and architecture but they were Christian and Jewish Arabs not Muslims who subsumed their work after they invaded those previously Christian areas pre-Crusades.
Take a look at the following links:
Islam, Christianity, Classical Civilization, and ModernityThe not-so-golden age of Islamic philosophy
Hyping Islam ‘s role in the History of Science
Islam and the Problem of Rationality
What Islamic Science and Philosophy?
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 01 11 at 05:05 PM • permalink’"Their values [Australia’s] are upside down. They have no democracy, no freedom. They are the worst liars and unjust people,” the sheik said in the Arabic-language interview.’
Australians: This piece of crap didn’t come to your country because he likes and admires you, and wants to join with you. He came there to DESTROY you and your nation from within.
Wake the fuck up!
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 11 at 05:10 PM • permalinkI hope Keatings money is still in pigs.
Super ironic when we all become intergrated.Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 01 11 at 05:16 PM • permalink"Their values [Australia’s] are upside down. They have no democracy, no freedom. They are the worst liars and unjust people,” the sheik said in the Arabic-language interview.
I notice Trad didn’t try to put those remarks in context. And what is with these fools who apparently think that no one in the West can read, speak or understand Arabic?
Interesting, though, the view that Muslims have a bigger claim than Angelo-Saxons to Australia because Muslims paid their own passage rather than arriving in shackles. I guess by that logic Angelo-Saxons have the greater claim to America. Imagine how well that would play with Americans of African descent…
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 01 11 at 05:20 PM • permalink#18 Sandim
Personally, I’d prefer Hilaly to continue to to shoot his mouth off at every opportunity. He’s a great awareness-raiser
I couldnt agree more. It is people like Sheiky and the Danish cartoon promoters who raise awareness amongst otherwise reality-TV-numbed Westerners of the extent of the problem facing us.
Please DON’T deport him. Just keep talking dude.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 05:20 PM • permalinkI think this clown is a good thing for our side, and should be encouraged to keep on with dropping little pearls of wisdom from his lily white blubbers as often as possible. By so doing, he brings the true, disgusting nature of islam into the news on a regular basis. Doesn’t seem to matter where he opens his ugly cakehole, either -it will still get wide coverage.
Keep him on!!
Cheers
Rod CI agree wholeheartedly with Keysar Trad, no doubt the sheik was taken out of context - I only ask that he explains the context that makes the line “They have no democracy, no freedom. They are the worst liars and unjust people”, defending gang rapes and revising the discovery and settlement of Aust to a muslim achievement seem a well reasoned and acceptable position.
Your public awaits Keyar.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2007 01 11 at 05:23 PM • permalink#43
Already happening. The office is abuzz this morning with Hilali talk - and from people who wouldnt dream of talking about anything other than TV, sport or Paris Hilton.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 05:32 PM • permalinkThis is deliberate; it’s all about enhancing his following amongst his “flock”:
Make outragious and insulting comments and then plead victimization and intolerence. If this doesn’t happen, then he points to how enfeebled the West is.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 01 11 at 05:36 PM • permalink#15 Problem is, Rob, that many of his followers are not educated, and kept in deliberately kept in a state of ignorance. These idiotic claims are believed by them.
It is to maintain their grip over the minds of their followers that we have the “Islamic resurgance”, a last desperate bid to fight education, enlightenment and modernity. It will fail, but cost many, many lives.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 01 11 at 05:43 PM • permalink#9, Dan Lewis is completely correct, a lone crackpot like Hilaly isn’t too much to be concerned about. What is important is how many muslims actually agree with him. Getting hold of this statistic and acting on it is by far the most important next step and is also one that our media and pollies appear to be determined to ignore.
Given the sheik’s current position as the head of the muslim community it is probably safe to assume that he has majority support until we are reliably informed otherwise
#28
You mkae a mistake so many Westreners do: “islam” has no desire to win hearts and minds, it merely aims to vanquish and subordinate them.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 01 11 at 05:49 PM • permalinkOK, that’s it, enough! Turf this dickhead out!
Posted by Do not beat around the Dubya on 2007 01 11 at 06:03 PM • permalink#18 i heard the same keysar line on abc newsradio. that sheik al doolali was merely proclaiming his love for australia and willfully taken out of context by journalists.
funnily enough after the current affair piece aired at 6.30pm that abc report disappeared and they didn’t report on the incident again
it’s our abc after all
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 01 11 at 06:03 PM • permalinkHilaly needs to be kicked out of office. If he doesn’t, then we can assume that the vast majority of Australia’s Muslims still want him there.
I love it how he says that Muslims were here long before anyone else.
Where’s the evidence you idiot? Ever heard of history? It is clear that his history is just full of lies.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2007 01 11 at 06:07 PM • permalinkThe good news just keeps rolling in today. The oil price is collapsing - just broken through $52. Now down $12 in just two weeks.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 06:16 PM • permalink"They are the worst liars and unjust people,”
The Thick Sheik is probably directing that remark at Bankstown City Council.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 01 11 at 06:17 PM • permalinkI agree wholeheartedly with Keysar Trad, no doubt the sheik was taken out of context - I only ask that he explains the context that makes the line “They have no democracy, no freedom. They are the worst liars and unjust people”, defending gang rapes and revising the discovery and settlement of Aust to a muslim achievement seem a well reasoned and acceptable position.
I know the context for that. Islam.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 01 11 at 06:24 PM • permalinkKEYSER TRAD PRESS CONFERENCE
Well, G’Day mates! Strewth, the press room is crowded today! Good to see that Australia is finally taking a greater interest in the one true religion. It makes me feel good about our future together as a country. Seems you’re finally coming to your senses.
Before we start I have a message from Ali Mohammed my driver as my car has been damaged in the carpark....."Whoever was driving the white Commodore sedan and scraped the bumper of the red WRX with the number plate TAQ 1Y4, please see him outside. He’ll be next to the car with a cricket bat.
Strike me pink!... its so crowded you’se look like a pack of sheep lined up in the stockyard for mulesing. I’d hate for someone to fire an anti tank rocket into this building! Luckily the chance of that happening is pretty ...well...let’s move on shall we. C’mon gang I was joking, look the guy from the SMH laughed at it!
I’m sorry I’m late, but I have been very busy since the Grand Mufti of Australia made his recent ...aaahhh...contribution. I’ve also been on a tight schedule because the bastards at the Lakemba Public Swimming Pool won’t extend the ‘good guys only’ hours and I didn’t want to swim with the unclean.
Ohhhhh I see that look up the back, don’t think that I don’t… but can you blame me “cobber”? Some of those women aren’t even circumcised. Makes me shudder to think of all that unnessesary catmeat - just get rid of it. And did you know that they also sit
on the toilet seat instead of squatting over it? ...oh well of course you do...I’m sorry… you were listening to me out of context just then.Now just hear me out on this one and tell me if I’m crazy or not, but if Cronulla beach had segregated swimming days do you think that the cruel, racist, unprovoked, unneccessary, evil, shaitan inspired, crusader-convict riots would have occurred????
Well maybe they would have, BUT, that’s only because “once a crim, always a crim” as they say. Look .... never mind, I thought that last bit out of context.
Now, to business. Regarding the Mufti’s recent comments, it might surprise you to be informed that he was, in fact, taken completely out of context. Don’t roll your eyes over there...it could happen. Damn it, is has happened...again.
Now listen, we muslims have had just about enough. You cannot understand the context unless you are a muslim. It’s as simple as that. So I recommend that you revert to Islam, only in an effort to understand mind, and I guarantee the criticism of the Mufti will evaporate. Don’t wory, the reversion would be temporary, only until you die. Hey...shut up over there, looks to me like you need to get a bit of religion...look at you...no beard...shirt tucked in...how dare you............ahhhhh sorry there.....those comments were contextually challenged if you know what I mean. No hard feelings… I like your Australian cricket team hat by the way...all green and gold...did you know that green is the Islamic colour? You did? well your probably not a journalist then - boom boom! Ha ha got you all....see ....why can’t we all just get along?
Anyway, what the Sheik really said was that muslims are disadvantagedin Australia because Europeans came here as convicts and were thus supplied free pyjamas with arrows on them. And, more importantly, having committed their crimes prior to arrival, they could then immediately set about busting rocks. Unlike muslim immigrants who pay to get to Australia and then have to commit crimes after arrival just to get on an even footing. See? we too want to say we are decended from convicts as soon as possible. It will just take a few generations.
The other stuff about world’s biggest liars and such was just islamic irony. There now, that’s better isn’t it?
Now no questions today, I’m too busy. Also, I would like to say that barring any unforseen context, our next press conference has now been moved to Bankstown Town Hall on 27 January, the day after convict shame day. It’s much bigger in there and that venue has had a cancellation. No thanks to you blogosphere!
As Mark Steyn put it in a recent interview for our ‘BreakPoint’ website, “[Radical] Islam is a weak enemy, and its strength is determined by what it’s pushing against.” The problem is that Europe and, increasingly, America are putting up very little resistance. If Christians won’t stand up for our worldview, and secularists won’t stand up for anything, one day we may have no one but ourselves to blame for the triumph of radical Islam”.
Most Australian media pundits refuse to accept this. They continually bleat about ‘moderate Muslims’ - whereas the Koran explicitly preaches the totality and all-pervasiveness of the religion. In other words, it is against Islamic teaching to be a ‘moderate Muslim’. The faith is a bit like pregnancy - you can’t be half pregnant and you can’t be a ‘moderate Muslim’. Al Hilaly knows this and trades on it. The commentariat are yet to wake up to the real agenda here prefering to believe that ‘moderate Muslims’ will somehow triumph over the Sheik..
Re #59 - Hey Tim, I think Penguin’s written your column for you this week. Just print it word for word.
Great stuff!
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 01 11 at 06:38 PM • permalink#58 Melanie is right. That’s why the Sheikh, among others, keeps repeating the claim that Muslims were in Australia before the First Fleet and it’s why great efforts are being made to recruit indigenous Australians. The same campaign has been waged on many fronts for decades, in Africa and Russia in particular and more recently in Europe. We’re just seeing it now.
Trad is somehow trying to claim victim status.
A moderate Moslem might be like teetotalling Catholic priest?
Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 01 11 at 06:40 PM • permalinkHmmm.
I prefer a different quatrain:
Dumbass opens big mouth
better run fast muthaf**ka
Aussies have cricket bats
The beat-down is at dawn.Never could figure out what it meant before, but now it’s all so very clear.
Posted by memomachine on 2007 01 11 at 06:42 PM • permalink358 and 63 - how is that claim made. Did Mohammed land here after jumping to the moon?
Seriously, what about ATSI spiritualities?
Or if they don’t count, the Dutch and the French were staunch Catholics?What is he on about?
On a positive side, all this Moslem venom may bring ATSI people and non-indigenous infidels together.
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Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 01 11 at 06:46 PM • permalink#61 Bonmot -you speak well, as your frog nom de plume demands. A “moderate” muslim is a contradiction in terms -an oxymoron for one who sits on the fence awaiting favourable odds in the battle. Probably in the minority in most of the West at present, but another 5 years of the dhimmi left -----???
Cheers
RodCThe nine news items on this are worth reading, particularly view the segment from last night’s news with comments from Andrew Bolt.
Mind you I do like the nickname Thick Sheik Hilali given to him by one newspaper.
I’d say Andrew Bolt sums up the situation quite well. If Hilali is considered to be truly representative of Muslims by Muslims in Australia then the rest of us need to think what is the place of Islam in Australia? Can we afford it?
Now that’s almost a rhetorical question!
My convict era ancestor came to Australia aboard the convict ship “Arab” (no pun intended) and was sent to Liverpool NSW in early 1823. Eventually, he was pardoned and was given a land grant of 100 acres at South Colah (now Thornleigh), NSW.
Firstly, contrary to Howard believing we “convicts” are having a wry smile at the Sheik’s wilfull stupidity, I am incandescent with rage. How dare this trumped up retard claim sovereignty over the land my forefathers busted their guts to build.
I can honestly say I hate everything the Sheik says and stands for.
And lastly, I condemn utterly my forfathers for flogging the parcel of 100 acres at Thornleigh which would today be worth tens of $millions. The Laminex factory today stands on the site of my family’s original homestead.
Dear Sheik
Suck. My. Nuts
Your sincerely
Infidel
P.S As context isn’t your strong suit -That means, please open your mouth and caress my ballsac gently. No teeth either, you weirdo.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 07:09 PM • permalinkThat nitwit has to be an invention of Zionist conspiracy. He can’t be for real can he?
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2007 01 11 at 07:11 PM • permalinkYes the liberaL PRESS Komandatariat will refuse to ackowledege that it is the muslim moderates who are the true extremists and virtual apostates. Robert Spencer has been explaining this for years on Jihad watch and now we see in Britain that immams are urging the creation of a “religious thought police” to threaten and intimidate those muslims that do not attend friday worship regularly , even suggesting they should be killed for continual refusal.
Preachers of HatredHilaly goes into Honest Alis’ car yard and asks for a 4wd with airconditioning, v8 engine, bullet proof glass, sunroof and must be a current model. The salesman takes him over to the new fully decked Nissan Patrols.
At this point Keysar Trad storms over and tells the salesman he has taken the shiek out of context, he was only trying to buy a carrot.
Posted by curious george on 2007 01 11 at 07:16 PM • permalinkHere is Hilaly calling Australia Muslim land back in February 2004:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000920.php#79 - Melanie, thank you for the link!
Its rubbish, isn’t it? Moslem Afghani men came over sure, after the first settlers. So Christianity trumps them. And ATSI spirituality trumps them both by a lazy 40-60 000 years.
Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 01 11 at 07:26 PM • permalink#77 Davo
You want really scary news from the UK?
Buy the Spectator this week and read all about the construction of the new 70,000 (yes, seventy thousand) seater Sunni Mosque to be built next door to the Olympic Village in London.
It is to be sponsored by a group called Tabligh-i-Jamaat, a bunch of people that make Hizb seem like the Women’s Institute.
Most amazingly, this tax-payer funded building is intended to be used as a Muslim quarter for all Muslims attending the 2012 Olympics - ie this will be the first segregated Olympics.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 07:29 PM • permalinkI’m enamoured of Alexander Downer’s response:
"Look, I’m a South Australian. South Australia was never a convict colony, so, you know, I’m very relaxed about what people say about convicts."
Look, I’m a New South Welshman from solid convict stock, and, you know, I’m very relaxed about what people say about convicts. At least I don’t have the added pressure of having to boast about my blue blood.
#36 Damn, Davo, you’re good! LOL I thought that was going to be another chapter in the adventures of Farouk, Achmed and Ali from Jules.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 11 at 07:49 PM • permalinkIt was reported on Channel 9 and the ABC news tonight that the Sheik Hilaly said that Muslims were here before the English, that he has more right to be in this country ahead of the descendants of Convicts (which I am one) and that there is no freedom or democracy in Australia.
This was said on a Egyptian TV show.
If this is true it is despicable, the man is a liar and does not deserve to be an Australian anymore. He has not only offended all Australians, he has particularly offended all of the Australians from convict stock like myself. As well as all of the descendants of Australians of Anglo-Celtic stock that came here as free settlers. Because he very racially abused the Anglo Saxon Australians.
He is utterly despicable, low life, rubbish.[MOD: Comments like this won’t be tolerated on this forum]
Great comment from MV linked for posterity.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 11 at 08:03 PM • permalink#51 You mkae a mistake so many Westreners do: “islam” has no desire to win hearts and minds, it merely aims to vanquish and subordinate them.
I believe this brand of “Islam” is definitely out to win hearts and minds: the hearts and minds of Muslims who aren’t so much into jihad and murder yet. This guy Hilali doesn’t care that Australian news sources are repeating what he says, because he’s not speaking to them. He’s actively recruiting for jihad, and the longer you in Australia allow him to do it, the worse for you. We have similar people in America, but they get less attention because we are so big and so diverse, it’s hard to separate out the voices. That’s sometimes a bad thing for us, but something we have more time and space to deal with. You in Australia have less of a cushion, so you should probably act sooner rather than later.
Americans in Europe have routinely had to listen to the “Americans are descended from British convicts” canard (yes, we had them too). The correct response is to ask how come European convicts of the 18th century created countries so much more successful than current European ones. Of course, Muslim countries don’t even figure in. Even convicts couldn’t create failures like that.
Just a few points:
1. Just whose legal system and hard work created the welfare system that Hilali and his lazy cohorts enjoy?
2. Funny to hear a man complain to the Egyptians, a group known for their ‘innovative justice programmes’ about harsh gaol terms. They must have been weeping tears of laughter.
3. Funny also to hear a man make outrageous and insulting statements about Anglo-Saxons then turn around and claim to be a victim of racism.
4. I wonder if he will line up at Mascot, Australian Passport in paw, seeking admittance back to our shithole of a country or will he put his money where his mouth is and stay away?
Trad and Hilai keep playing this because they know they can get away with it. No one will officially hold them to account. But it’s entirely for their followers’ and socialist allies’ consumption, as the resulting controversies raise their status as victims of an anti-muslim, racist society. It’s where they get their power.
The PM and Downer laughed off these latest comments I think to cut off any oxygen they may give to yet another attempt at controversy. Unfortunately, it has the side effect of alienating the majority of the population who feel insulted and duped again. If we keep going on like this, where a minority and a majority are kept polarised, matters will inevitably come to a head one day.
A full 97% of significant scientific figures between 800BC and 1950 have come from the West.
Charles Murray’s list of major discoveries in astronomy begins with Pythagoras’s discovery that the morning and evening stars are the same, continues through Copernicus’s heliocentric theory and Hubble’s discovery that the universe is expanding (1918). It ends with Fred Whipple’s work on the composition of comets in 1949.
The list of central events in the history of technology demonstrates that modern life is almost wholly Western in origin.
Between the 11th century and 1950, all major technological innovations, from the watch to the steam engine to the computer, came from Europe and the United States.
Meanwhile:
“The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment. [1993, quoted by Yousef M. Ibrahim, The New York Times, 12 February 1995]—Sheik Abdel-Aziz ibn Baaz, Supreme Religious Authority of Saudi Arabia.
There are literally dozens of these quotes from Islamic authority figures - if their sheer thickness and ignorance are incredible to us, just imagine how their ordinary followers must think. They are impervious to reason or logic.
But I’m sure one of my teachers told me the little-known fact that the First Fleet consisted of Muslims - they actually turned the ships around daily to face Mecca while the Cockney crims and Irish rebels chanted their daily Allah akbars.
Had a chat with one of my Arab Lebanese Maronite Christian mates and I have to agree with him.
He said: "let Hilaly stay as long as the disgusting little pig-fucker wants!”
He argued that Hilaly is THE greatest way to raise popular awareness among Australians about the problems islam poses to us.Not a bad point.
Most Australians have a pretty good bullshit detector, and Hilaly hates Australia and Australians so much that he just cannot help himself (remember, he is a semi-literate savage who came here from a mud hut on the banks of the Blue Nile).
So while the little barbarian remains, he WILL keep shooting his mouth off about why he, as a savage, is so much better than the civilisation he is parasitic on - he believes his own islamist bullshit.
And the MSM have woken up that Hilaly’s latest lying, mysogenist, racist statements sell papers: that he honestly believes the daughters of ALL Australians (Anglo, Chinese, Vietnamese, Arab Christian, Sikh, ALL of them) deserve rape from the followers of the barbarian paedophile murderer they regard as a prophet.
Some of my more religiously-inclined acquaintances argue that islam is actually satanism. THis is an interesting thought that would explain much.
So let Hilaly remain, and translate every speech the foul little swine gives, here and overseas. Then locate and kick out the ones who agree with him.
He plays the role of judas-jenny* really well.
MarkL
Canberra* professional donkey-shooter term. A Judas-jenny is a female donkey, fitted with a radio transmitter and released. It will quickly locate and join the nearest mob of wild donkeys. You then shoot all of them but the Judas-jenny, and let the process repeat.
#89
Yes, that’s true. He is certainly not speaking to us. However, i do think that his comments have the side-effect of waking up 50,000 Aussies from their political slumber every time he opens his mouth. He is a great recruiting guy for both sides.
#87 Just visited MV. Scary. Barely anyone wants to condemn him. Very sad.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 08:24 PM • permalinkActually, Hilaly(i)claims the Aborigines were Afghan Muslims, hence Islam preceded Christianity. Specifically, the Muslims colonized central Australia before whitey showed up.
http://voiceoftheshire.blogspot.com/2007/01/hilali-justifies-jihad-against.html
Not all Muslims are like the Sheikh.
Not even most Muslims.Alas, a large minority, perhaps 10%, are. And that’s 100 million people. Of whom perhaps 1 in 100 are raving fanatics. Oh Joy, a million suicide bombers who just thirst for infidel blood. That’s worse even than the Scientologists.
It’s as if the Westboro Baptist Church had 100 million adherents instead of just Fred Phelps’ inbred family of 200 or so.
That would not justify tarring the whole of Christianity with the same brush. But it would require the whole of Christianity to forcefully and publicly repudiate in the strongest possible terms these maniacs.
Until mainstream Islam does a lot more than it has been doing - and it has been doing some - then the number of people who will see Islam, all of it, as a threat to all humanity will increase. Muslims must speak out, in public, loudly, repeatedly, and en masse.
That they haven’t is not just shameful, it’s dangerous to them.
I am no Islamic scholar but it sounds like there are voices in Australia who will pervert your history to prove you are illegally occupying a Muslim land. This justifies an intifida and explains all the khalifa nonsense. Here in Canada (and the US) I’ve heard the Muslims try to explain that the Indians were, in fact, Muslims. Their stated goal is to rewrite your history, subvert your culture and outbreed you. Yhink about it.
"I think this clown is a good thing for our side, and should be encouraged to keep on with dropping little pearls of wisdom from his lily white blubbers as often as possible.”
Nothing personal against the people who are advancing this viewpoint, but...anyone who tries to prove how much they love freedom, and how much better they are than their lowlife neighbors by throwing open their doors and allowing said lowlife neighbors to come on over and take a dump on one’s living room floor is a damned idiot.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 11 at 08:36 PM • permalinkWe do not ‘push’ democractic freedom of speech. As far as we’re concerned freedom of speech, as upheld by the West, is not Islamic. Human beings do not have the freedom to say (or do) whatever they like. Rather they have the freedom to say what Allah permits, to the exclusion of what he prohibits for them to say (or do). Whenever we mention freedom of speech it is in holding the hypocritical Western politicians to account on their own values.
Believe me, with realities like Guantanamo Bay and Western support for tyrannical dictators in the Muslim world, we do not hold our breath on hollow values such as democracy or freedom of speech.
linky
Gotta love those moderate, Aussie muslims.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 11 at 08:44 PM • permalinkFlashman : Given the opportunity, you’d see a lot more. It’s just that most of them have difficulty travelling from their madrassas in some hillbilly-equivalent village in Afghanistan, Sudan or wherever, to a target Area.
Most of them essentially commit suicide during Jihad by opposing US or US-backed armed forces in Flypaper zones. Heck, even European Jihadis have been travelling to the Sudan etc rather than blowing things up locally. With a few exceptions.
#55 pommygranate
The good news just keeps rolling in today. The oil price is collapsing - just broken through $52. Now down $12 in just two weeks.A letter writer to Mark Steyn on this subject:- “It occurs to me that the most horrific weapon we could possible devise against the Arab nations that fund this war (yes, I think we are in WW III) would be for the president of the United States to go before congress and ask for the funding for the Manhattan Project II, that being the research to find an energy source to replace crude oil and the immediate development and implementation of the outcome of that research to put the program into place.
When I read about Iranian “petro dollars” funding Hezbollah, and the Saudis, as you have also pointed out, funding the exportation of their brand of Islam all being made possible by the sale of crude oil it simply drives me nuts”.
Ah, Muslims. Bet you can’t kill just one.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 01 11 at 09:18 PM • permalink"They arranged to meet in a public park at 2 or 3 am in the morning, and it (the sex) was agreed on,” he said.
Skaf brothers: It is agreed. We will all rape her!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 09:36 PM • permalink#49
#9, Dan Lewis is completely correct, a lone crackpot like Hilaly isn’t too much to be concerned about.
I’m glad you agree with me, but that’s not exactly what I said. Lone crackpots can inflict a tremendous amount of damage and should not be dismissed.
What I meant, is that resolving the issue of Hilaly, e.g. by deporting him, firing him into the sun, etc. will not of itself resolve the problem he represents.
#110
Muzziezapper
Hmm. Taipan rounds? A cousin has used them very successfully on pigs. If you warm them and soak their nose in wax prior to loading they pretty much guarantee a one-hit kill on even a large pig. The wax wicks up in to the round (open front copper jacket, leaad core) and when it hits it basically turns inside out. Very nice round, and Queensaland made too.
MarkL
canberraIslam is deep rooted in the Australian soil.
Keep digging boys. You can still hear the bastards whining at 6ft.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 09:54 PM • permalinkThe claim that Muslims arrived in Australia before the British is actually the most serious part of the whole thing - it is apparently trying to set up a claim that Australia is part of the House of Islam, and is therefore Islamic forever - that is the heart of the Muslim case against Israel’s existence.
Let Hilali keep speaking. It just demonstrates to the mainstream how potentially dangerous and alien this community may be.
Personally, I’d ban permanent immigration from every muslim country from the Atlantic Ocean to the border of India (with the exception of Turkey). And then (sincerely) wish them all well, peace, prosperity and happiness forever, etc, etc - but still goodbye.
Just so long as we all stick to our own side of the sandpit, and keep our nose out of each others’ businesses. I becoming a curmedgeonly isolationist as I get older!
If we did this, demographics and time would defeat this hateful threat peacefully without a drop of blood (from any side) being shed. Sounds like the perfect solution to me.
Letting a wanker like Hilali shoot his mouth off makes this more likely. It wakes the slumbering masses up to reality.
That is rank discrimination, ekb87. We should ban all of them.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 10:04 PM • permalinkCan’t find the transcript but c. Nov ‘06 caught part of an interview on ABC Radio National with (NSW Premier Iemma?) saying that the Mufti was an official member of a multicultural committee and yet never attended in person to a single meeting, only sending delegates, which the pollie viewed with disdain.
So much for reaching out to the community at large.
#114, Yep Dan we replace him and get another one that will pretty much be the same or may be a bit better at hiding what he truly believes (eg: trad).
I suppose I was wrong in calling him a lone crackpot when it appears that anyone who actually looks to the hideously evil Muhammud as a paragon of virtue must either be initiated into this belief via crackpotism in the first place or become a crackpot by virtue of societal conditioning.
#118 If it’s the heart of the case against Israel it’s a bleeding one. Even Islam admits the priority of Jewish prophets as far as Jesus, [though denying their historical religions legitimacy, of course].
Even about 1850 a census proved that the largest single ethnic group in Jerusalem was --Jewish.
But lies are part and parcel of Hilali’s lifestyle and method.#118
Boy, are they going to be mad when they find out who got to the middle east first.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 01 11 at 10:22 PM • permalink"What I meant, is that resolving the issue of Hilaly, e.g. by deporting him, firing him into the sun, etc. will not of itself resolve the problem he represents.”
Deporting his worthless ass will solve the problem of having a foreign dirtbag in your own backyard who cheers on terrorists, and gang rapers, insults your womenfolk, and is bent on destroying your country and everything it stands for.
Plus you won’t have to worry about him going on the dole and living off your dime.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 11 at 10:38 PM • permalink"The journey of 300,000 deportations, begins with a single visa cancellation.”
Chairman Infidel, 2007
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 10:43 PM • permalink#119 ekb97
This is an interesting issue and im sure we will hear more and more demands for Muslim immigration to be curtailed.
Presently there is no way (nor should he)that Howard et al would actually come out and say “Henceforth no more Muslim immigrants”. It would be imflammatory in the extreme. However, there is a way round this, which is being discussed in the UK.
We have our own thorny issue of what to do about immigrants that commit crime but who originate from countries that allow torture. Under the European Human Rights Act, they are not allowed to be deported (even if they have committed murder).
Hence there are increasing calls to ban immigration from countries that allow torture.
As these countries are all Muslim, you can effectively end Muslim immigration, whilst at the same time sounding all touchy-feely, caring and PC. Genius.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 11 at 10:48 PM • permalinkFree speech for all, especially Hilali.
First, his recent utterances should prompt review of his statements over at least 10 years. That none of it caused a ripple of controversy among Australian Muslims let alone endangering his status as “community leader” speaks volumes.
Second, the best weapon against vicious blatherskites is mockery.Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 01 11 at 10:52 PM • permalink#131. Second, the best weapon against vicious blatherskites is mockery.
bt, thank you. I now have a new favourite word.
Posted by curious george on 2007 01 11 at 10:58 PM • permalink#18
All I’ve had going on in my head all day is “Strangers on my flight”Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 01 11 at 11:09 PM • permalinkO/T but it cannot be ignored: Our own Loyal Opposition Leader joins the dimwits who think that appeasing Syria and Iran is the wise course.
Hilali is apparantly quite the crooner and plans to release some of Sinatra’s hits as ole blue eyes was (of course) a muslim:
Catsmeat be a lady tonight:
They say you have your rights
But there is room for doubt
At times you have a very un-muslim-like way
Of going outYour’e my property
The prophet’s words can vouch
And yet before the evening is over
I will treat you just like trashYou might forget your manners
You might refuse to stay
And so the best that I can do is sayCatsmeat be a lady tonight
Catsmeat be a lady tonight
You should have stayed inside to begin with
Catsmeat be a lady tonightjust let a gentleman see
eyebrow, neck or knee
I know the way youve looked at other guys youve been with
Catsmeat be a lady tonightA lady never leaves her boudoir
It isnt fair, it isnt nice
A lady doesnt wander outside her room
And show other guys her face.
Catsmeat be a lady tonightI find it interesting we haven’t heard a peep out of new glorious leader, Kevin Rudd, in regards to Hillbilly’s drivel.
He must be shitting himself with fear that if he says something not in line with what really is majority opinion, he’ll have strips torn off.
I’ve notice that anything controversial in which political (ie, Lib/Nats gov) and public opinion are in unison, yet opposed to the beliefs of the lefties or the ALP in general, Rudd won’t utter “boo.”pommygranate (#30) puts an extremely interesting proposition re future muslim immigration to Australia.
Al Hillbilly’s comments make it pretty obvious that he despises the general Australian population, and from all the comments around the blogs and talkback that I have heard so far today, the general Australian population isn’t too keen on having this retard or his followers living in our midst either.
IMO, muslim immigration should end forthwith, and pommygranate’s idea has a lot of merit.
Well done, sir.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 01 11 at 11:33 PM • permalinkAaaargh, pommygranate’s theory at #130.
Perview etc. . . .Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 01 11 at 11:37 PM • permalink#99 Zoe;
Not all Muslims are like the Sheikh… perhaps 10%, are.
I assume from the rest of your comment that you mean 10% of the world’s Muslims. While I cannot comment on the accuracy of that estimate, what is more important is the percentage of Muslims in Australia who support the Sheikh.
Perhaps we should be giving more credence to the Sky News poll linked by Ian in #88 above, where the vote indicates 77% are supporters.
An even more accurate assessment might be gained by adding up all the Muslims living in Australia who have spoken out against Hilaly.They are experts at playing every victim card in the deck. They will use our freedoms to take them away from us and institute the global caliphate. With the complicity of our media and elite institutions. And they don’t need to be the first one on the soil - they claim Spain because they had conquered it centuries before. Seems anywhere a muzzie has ever taken a crap is theirs by right.
It is not enough for the PM etc to pass the remarks of this scumbag off as a joke. It is no joke. It is an insult to our country, our people and those who came here and worked, unlike scumbag,to build this wonderful nation.
The very thick hilali should have his citizenship annulled, as should his parrot trad,and both should be sent, together with their kin, right back to their home countries.
Citizenship should be given conditionally and when those conditions are not met, citizenship should be removed and the person/s deported immediately.
The security of Australians should be paramount, stupid political correctness should be thrown out as the rubbish it is.Until mainstream Islam does a lot more than it has been doing - and it has been doing some -
For extremely small values of “some”. You have Saudis in the US being caught with slaves and their local community supports them. The head of the largest mosque in Ohio says “peace” in English and “jihad” in Arabic—when he’s caught and it’s discovered he lied on his visa application and had a terrorist connection, his community supports him.
A bleeding-heart here in Cincinnati wrote a play trying to “understand” the life of the teenage suicide bomber girl (I can’t remember her name). He portrayed her as a normal enough teenager—listening to music, interested in clothes, etc. The Muslim community insisted on pre-screening the play, and objected to the (sympathetic) portrayal of a girl who was, in the end, a mass-murderer. The play has never been staged.
Sure, there are a handful of voices from the Muslim community objecting to this. I’ve heard of two notable cases where Muslims objected to their local community’s stance towards the jihadis. And in both of those cases, the objectors have been hounded out of their communities.
There has to be a LOT more from the Muslim community in the West.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 01 11 at 11:54 PM • permalink#147
understand the context
The context being the koran.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 11 at 11:55 PM • permalink"Free speech for all, especially Hilali.”
IMO, no one should have the freedom to lie, to justify past gang rapes, or to incite future gang rapes (and this piece of crap, Hilali is doing all three of the above) under the cover of an abstraction like “freedom of speech”.
‘Alhilali also defended the Muslim men convicted of Sydney’s gang rapes, a position that has caused controversy in the past.’
‘“They arranged to meet in a public park at 2 or 3 am in the morning, and it (the sex) was agreed on,” he said.’
This is what really happened…
The Sheikh is a liar, and an advocate, aider and abettor of violent rapists (among other things), and if you let him stay in your country you’re begging for trouble...and you’re going to get what you’re begging for.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 12 at 12:05 AM • permalinkSheikh Taj El-Deen El-Hilali knows exactly what he’s doing (and his strategy is based on an astute reading of liberal societies underpinned by political correctness and tolerance).
His speeches are quite simply designed to drive a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims. This creates a victimised minority for which the politically gullible (on all sides of politics, I should add - but mostly the left) will stand up and protect from justifiable censure. So he knows he is perfectly safe by saying things designed to inflame sensible non-Muslims.
In the meantime, his wedge activities present Muslims with two options: stand with your religious brothers or the infidel. There will come a day soon where there will be no choice. As he continues to rile non-muslims, Muslims otherwise content with their life will be drawn into the blessed Sheik’s fold.
It’s simple, but obviously effective. Take a look at the kind of commentary at Muslim Village. A liberal society in which all cultures and views are perceived relatively and thus equal is unable to defend its values. Moreover, the left and its fellow travellers provide succour and support for these views.
The Sheik is creating his revolutionary cohort. Lenin would approve, as do those in Australia who dream of the downfall of capitalism, imperialism, and a dozen other “isms” by the which the modern age has been cursed.
We are witnessing a master class in political strategy. The question now is whether there are people in Australia willing to infiltrate and destroy this fascism internally. When your enemy plays dirty, it’s time to take off the gloves.
#144
74% but is the VRWC skewing the results?
Could be, and no doubt such a suggestion will be made by the apologists and supporters.
This gives even more reason to assess the true situation by counting the number of Muslims living in Australia who publicly deny support of Hilaly.
For years in his columns and blog, Andrew Bolt has been calling for such people to come forward. Where are they?
If they don’t exist, it means Hilaly has 100% support from the Muslims living in Australia.
#151 Dave
no one should have the freedom to lie, to justify past gang rapes, or to incite future gang rapes under the cover of an abstraction like “freedom of speech”.
No. Restricting freedom of speech is not the way forward. It is a pillar upon which our societies are founded and is untouchable.
Let the man speak. Then expose him for the deceitful, hateful liar he is. You gag him and you make him a martyr.
“Freedom, if it means anything, is the right to offend” G Orwell.
That’s why the Danish cartoons were so important. They were offensive but here in Australia, we have that right.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 12 at 12:25 AM • permalinkOn the ninemsn website, today’s question is ‘Should Sheik Alhilaly quit as leader of Australia’s Muslims?’. At the moment, the overwhelming majority of people who vote have said yes.
However, there are at least 3000 who have voted no. Too many in my book. That means at least 3000 idiots to deal with.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2007 01 12 at 12:35 AM • permalinkI’m a bit cranky that our PM and others are treating this as a joke
Yes we are laidback but this bloke is the real thing - the Grand Mufti, boss of all Muslims in OZ and so deserves a little more attention than wry smiles
This man is saying what the thinking is of many of his flock and he’s been doing this for 20 years
The reason he’s still Grand Mufti is because the majority of this community must agree with him - otherwise he’d be sacked surely
He is the ugly face of Islam
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 01 12 at 12:39 AM • permalink"No. Restricting freedom of speech is not the way forward. It is a pillar upon which our societies are founded and is untouchable.”
Our governments certainly don’t believe that. If you doubt it, then try verbally passing on military secrets to an enemy when your country is at war, and you’ll see how untouchable freedom of speech really is.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 12 at 12:46 AM • permalinkaussiemagpie—He is the only face of Islam in Australia. The rest are masks.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 01 12 at 12:50 AM • permalinkRumour of bomb explosion at US Embassy in Athens
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 12 at 12:52 AM • permalinkgenius - "However, there are at least 3000 who have voted no. Too many in my book. That means at least 3000 idiots to deal with.”
Yes but as mentioned by many others here, it is better that he stays.This is such an insidious sect, it is much better to be confronted with what they really believe rather than what their spin doctors tell us. Perhaps some of the 3000 feel the same way.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 01 12 at 01:04 AM • permalink#162 richard mcenroe
There is no moderate Muslim voice here so you’re right referring to masks
There was hope after the sheikh’s last effort when a nice looking young bloke who is chairman of the Lakemba Mosque management committee was all over the telly saying the sheikh’s position at the mosque would be reviewed
Sure it was - he’s still there and Mr Moderate was then interviewed and all he could come up with was the sheikh had been counselled!
Sadly there is no moderate voice here loud enough to be heard
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 01 12 at 01:10 AM • permalinkDeary me. First the Presbyterian’s, now the Islamics.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 12 at 01:16 AM • permalink#171 Skeeter
Hilali’s comments may have been appalling but they weren’t inciting violence.
The Christian pastors you refer to were acquited
Encouragingly, the Muslims in the UK who famously paraded those charming slogans of “Death to those who insult Islam” were found guilty and jailed.
Our system is superior to theirs. We mustn’t stoop to their level.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 12 at 02:24 AM • permalinkNice post, Hanyu. Haven’t seen you here for while but you’re always good for a sharp observation.
This is the sort of stuff they’re thinking:
All this unhappiness with Australia yet you are here?
I don’t understand why this silly question always arises in these discussions. I have not expressed an unhappiness with Australia as a land, nor with the Australian people. What we have an issue with is:
1. The ideas and ideology upon which the society in this land, and the West generally, is built. This being an intellectual criticism, not necessarily meaning we are here to change the societies, but that we do hold different values in this regard.
2. The exploitative and ruthless policies of the ruling elites in the West and there devastating effects on the rest of the World.
#155 Pommygranate
Got to agree with you there. I may not like it when someone burns my flag or criticises the way I live, but I’d rather that than be limited in my right to abuse, cajole, convince, persuade, insult, infuriate, and denigrate any bastard I disagree with.
As a result I’m pretty bloody concerned by the concept of anti-vilification laws.
As pointed out by others, though, it must have limits. So far, Hilali is within my limits and the more he speaks, the more we know.
If the Islamists go underground, it becomes harder to make Australians realise that there is a threat. Until they strike, that is.
Then we’ll shut the gate..
Fucking Muslim sewage overload Keysar Trad, Sheik Hilali really should be repatriated, But would Egypt or Lebanon accept any of their filth back, probably not. So what to do with Islamic malcontents, stop their social security, make life hard for them so they Piss off. Somalia is nice this time of year or should a C130 gunship dish out some respect over Lakemba.
I know this is ot, but I have to laugh at this from Ask Imam.
Q:In light of the new movie on the life of Jesus (Hazrath Essa A.S.), could you please clarify what really happend at the crucifiction and who was responsible?
A:We are unable to answer your question based on the recent movie on the life of Eesa (Jesus) [alayhis salaam] as seeing movies is Haraam.
Nevertheless, the Christian version of the crucifiction of Eesa [alayhis salaam] is incorrect as already stated in the Qur’aan. Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And they did not kill him (Eesa - alayhis salaam) nor did they hang him, but they were put in doubt.’ Anything about the crucifiction of Eesa [alayhis salaam] from the Christians is nothing but an expression of that doubt.
And Allah Ta’ala Knows Best
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 12 at 03:17 AM • permalinkWe Aussie’s sure do have a strange sense of humour (I hope). Scare quotes used correctly.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 12 at 03:21 AM • permalink#177 Nilknarf Arbed
So you too are an Ask Imam fan?
I’m always amazed at the vast amount of knowledge the Imam has and how the followers of this cult need permission to cut their nosehairs, need advice on how far the feet should be apart for some ceremony or other, ask if wearing a T shirt with a cartoon character on it is haraam...........it is endless really
When I do go to Mass I look at the priest there and I think if I asked him all this stuff he would ring up for the local Mental Health team to come and get me
And CH9 just showed men at Lakemba Mosque who wholeheartedly supported the sheikh
If this doesn’t show people that the sheikh is not a nutcase but a revered Mufti who is just telling it like it it’s going to be a very interesting time ahead
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 01 12 at 03:30 AM • permalinkHave you noticed that the ABC news items sanitise what was said along the lines of “Sheikh allegedly said that people who paid to come to this country had more entitlement to be here than those who came in shackles”. No mention of the M word, no mention of the claim that they were here before Anglos.
O/T I have just returned from seeing
WALKING WITH DINOSAURS THE LIVE EXPERIENCEThis is spectacualr stuff folks - walking, roaring, actual size dinosaurs. The models cost $12 million and were made here in Australia. In fact the whole production was devised here.
All I can say, if you get a chance, go see it when it comes to a city near you. It is worth every penny. Take a look.
Remember remember the Sheik of Lakemba
Taqqiya, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gangrapes and treason
Should ever be forgot…Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 01 12 at 04:02 AM • permalinkWALKING WITH DINOSAURS THE LIVE EXPERIENCE
Lakemba Mosque Open Day?
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 12 at 04:03 AM • permalink#172 pommygranate.
Nor were the pastors inciting violence. I am talking about vilification, not inciting violence. Although finally acquitted at appeal, the pastors were previously convicted and fined after years of crippling trials.
I am not suggesting that Hilaly should be suppressed and I agree that it is to our advantage to hear what he is preaching to his flock.
All I am asking is that all of us should have the same freedoms to criticise other cultures.
Under Victoria’s anti-vilification laws and the msm’s rigid PC rules, we do not have those freedoms.
Off topic, but no post yet - Sir James Killen dead.
I know what you’re all thinking: why wasn’t it Mal?
Comment by Taliban Princess over at MV:
But, and this is where you need to listen to me Jimmy and the rest of you non-Muslims, if any of you non-Muslims EVER offend any of my brothers or sisters in this forum, I will make damned sure you will know about it and I will take all necessary precautions not to have it happen again.
“the rest of you non-Muslims”... someone deport these chimps already.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 01 12 at 05:22 AM • permalink#181 hell yeah! I can spend hours just hitting ‘random fatwa.’ I never get tired of marvelling at how utterly brain dead the devout must be.
It’s like George Romero read this site before writing Night of the Living Dead.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 12 at 05:35 AM • permalink186 Skeeter
I agree. Victoria’s anti-vilification laws are an affront to free speech. They should be scrapped.
183 Bonmot - glad to hear the dinosaurs are good. Taking the kids next week (and re-mortgaging the house).
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 01 12 at 05:42 AM • permalinkSeems the sheik’s daughter has prevented him from hearing about all the furore he’s caused. Blissfully unaware, he is. And, of course, his health is once again a concern. According to Trad he’d been expected back in Australia next Friday, but his daughter will keep him there a little longer.
Does she really think he’ll just quietly slip back in and go about his business, unnoticed? Don’t think so, missy.
BTW: does anyone here know how the tape of the interview came to light?
Marky, I think you have grossly understated/misunderstood the reality. What is of concern is not the number of the Muslims in this country. For if it were merely an issue of numbers, then the Muslim community would not be the centre of attention, and would be treated like any other “minority”.
What is of concern to the policy makers, is the fact that these Muslims are intrinsically connected with all other Muslims around the world. The Muslims carry & call for an alternative and real political order, which will clash with the interests of the Capitalists.Australia(the policy makers) should remember who is her largest and resource rich neighbors. The interests of Australia lye with the Muslims. Australia should cease going down the slippery slop of injustice and prejudice (thats putting it nicely) and establish good bridge building relations with the Muslims in this country and abroad.
Muslims have permanent and unwavering noble values, we will honour and stick to our agreements, the Western “allies” however, well i’ll leave it to Lord Palmerston to explain:“We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are perpetual and eternal and those interests it is our duty to follow. “
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 12 at 06:13 AM • permalinkThanks for the great photo at #125 MM, and also to Hanyu for that political synopsis at #152.
I note that the ABC TV News (the most rabid branch of “our abc") managed to insert an item regarding the bid for world heritage listing of about 11 convict sites across Australia. How appropriate! Could’t possibly have run it any other time. Are there decision makers there who think it’s funny to do stuff like that? For their efforts they’ll be the first bunch of queers to be put under a falling wall while the Caliph 8 “come”.just heard about sir james killen on newsradio,
guess who the abc got for their only soundbite on this story- the kruddster-
a man from the opposing side who didn’t even get into parliament until decades after the great killen left. this is the guy they turn to for the only reaction theyre running!
it’d be like having malcolm turnbull as the sole parliamentarian giving a reaction after the death of whitlam- impossible to imagine them doing that isn’t it?
just how low will the abc stoop to promote the new messiah
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 01 12 at 06:22 AM • permalinkMelb Indymedia have an interesting take.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 12 at 06:39 AM • permalinkA song of hate is a sad song, al Hilaly, al Hilaly, al Hilaly-Low.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2007 01 12 at 06:53 AM • permalinkagain and again we see the mass of Muslims falling into line and supporting these whacko leaders. I am beginning to sense that the commandment to support a Muslim in any dispute with a Khufir (just because they are Muslim) runs extremely deep.
No good to laugh it off as Howard etc are doing. Mockery has its place but so does drawing a line in the sand and saying enough, pal. No more. As the Israelis know very well this is the only thing the mass of Muslims respect or understand.
#177 Nilknarf Arbed -
Nevertheless, the Christian version of the crucifiction of Eesa [alayhis salaam] is incorrect as already stated in the Qur’aan. Allah Ta’ala states, ‘And they did not kill him (Eesa - alayhis salaam) nor did they hang him, but they were put in doubt.’ Anything about the crucifiction of Eesa [alayhis salaam] from the Christians is nothing but an expression of that doubt. - Ask an Iman
That is blasphemy. That would be analogous to a Christian claiming that the Kabaa is just a black cube and was not a mosque built by Abraham and Ishmael. The black rock is just a freaking meteorite formerly worshipped by a pagan religion. And Mohammed was a warlike noncontent who used a bogus religion to help subdue a pagan population. Except in the case of the latter, it would be all true.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 01 12 at 07:44 AM • permalinkhttp://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=119330
Fun in Britain too!
A leading mosque in London is selling DVDs that proclaim the coming mass extermination of Jews around the world on a “day of judgment.” It also attacks Christian groups and the United Nations.
The London Central Mosque, also known as Regent’s Park Mosque, is “the spiritual focal point for Muslims” throughout Great Britain, the European Jewish Press reported. It is also home to the Islamic Cultural Center, which educates Muslim children.
The report said that a British television station will air on Monday a documentary on Muslim extremism in Britain, and will report the selling of the DVD.
The DVDs are being sold at the London Central Mosque Shop. One excerpt shows a preacher, Sheikh Feiz, imitating the sounds of a pig and referring to the Jewish people who will be killed on the “day of judgment.”
hilaly is a gift, probably from god, to convince the general populace of the need for a ittle test before we let people in. perhaps we can have multiple choice:
1. In Australia women must
(a) shut the fuck up
(b) cover up
(c) be treated like uncovered meat
2. In Australia it is every minority’s right to:
(a) rort the welfare system
(b) demand the locals change their ways
(c) get special swimming pool days
3. In Australia, it is every citizen’s right to:
(a) overthrow democracy
(b) preach jihad
(c) exhort young people to become living bombsyou get the drift
We don’t have to deport him, he’s already out of the country. Just don’t let the arsehole back in.
Posted by Daniel San on 2007 01 12 at 09:16 AM • permalink#208 egg_
Thanks for that link -
That Michael Kanaaan who was the ringleader in the shooting of Lakemba cop shop was a real bad bastard - thankfully he’s now a cripple after being shot by a copper and is in prison for a long time
However do you recall that the coppers who shot him went through hell - like as if they the bad guys
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 01 12 at 10:36 AM • permalink#208: thanks for the link.
These people come from a suburb (and/or neighbouring suburbs) in Sydney where I once lived, and members of my family still live.For the last two decades (at least) they have made life for any remaining Aussies in those areas absolute hell. One by one, over the years, Aussies have been literally driven out by their antics. Nothing that could be pinned on any individual/s, of course. Things like mobs gathering on a street late at night, shouting and yelling, doing burnouts - and scampering before the police arrived. Night after night, week after week, month after month - you get the picture - all over the neighbourhood.
Over time, Aussies sold up and moved out.
As I said, one part of my family still lives there. The old man is absolutely stone deaf. Hasn’t got a clue about all their shouting, yelling and burnouts. My youngest sister, however, has a “screw loose”. She’s single, not a spring chicken by any means, and has “anger management” issues. A few years ago she, a shift worker, made it her business to find out where these hoons lived. After their nightly performance, she’d give them an hour to settle into bed, get into her car and, let’s say, return the favour, in front of their houses.
I told her then that she was mad - asking for trouble, blah, blah blah.
But guess what? Before too long - I’m guessing after they’d figured out which street to avoid - she and dad have had no trouble at all, for years. Perhaps she’s not all that mad, after all. Something to do with dishing it out but unable to take it, I think.
Just thought you’d like to know.
Re: The Lakemba drive-by.
Good thing y’all have gun control down there in Oz. Wouldn’t want firearms falling into the wrong hands.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 01 12 at 02:08 PM • permalinkThe most disturbing part is the total lack of allegiance to the country. This seems to be the backbone of their thinking. I saw in one conversation “Global Village” being espoused, which really means nationality subsumed by a single rigid politico-religeous code.
I’m beginning to understand how they can justify voluntarily coming here and showing nothing but contempt for everything we have. They simply see it as a slab of land inhabited by infidels of no value. But the pickings (welfare etc) are good, and it’s fertile ground for an invasion from within.
This has worked very well for parasites in the animal kingdom. And it would seem a bonus that the host is ultimately destroyed.
An Early Kooka for those asking - and a terrace house is a brownstone.
I haven’t got time to read through all of this thread, but a lot of what I’ve seen so far is very amusing.
Over at Catallaxy we’ve decided the best response to the thick sheik is to take the piss, so we’re running a funnies competition (with prize money). If you’ve got something good, drop by and leave it here.
Posted by skepticlawyer on 2007 01 12 at 10:33 PM • permalinkA Muslim taxi driver asked me last night what I thought of Hillaly and I said Hillaly was an idiot. After telling me that the mad mullah didn’t speak for all Muslims, the driver gave a weird analogy of what he thought was meant by Muslims paying to come here and convicts coming for free. He said it was like people on a bus who had paid their fare having to stand while fare evaders occupied the seats. That’s how he, and presumably the mad mullah, see it. Whatever happened to history lessons? Don’t they know what “convict” means? Two of my ancestors (one of whom had a hangin sentence commuted) came to Australia in chains and lost two children on the voyage. Free loaders? God help us!
Posted by Angela Bell on 2007 01 12 at 10:56 PM • permalinkHe said it was like people on a bus who had paid their fare having to stand while fare evaders occupied the seats.
Only if later the “fare evaders” have to work as unpaid slave labour for around 25 years.
You know...like most convicts did.
Sheesh, dicks like these seem to be under the impression that being a convict was like a paid holiday in the south seas.
There were no welfare benefits in the 18th century, I can assure everyone that modern immigrants have received far more goodies than convicts ever did.
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 01 12 at 11:17 PM • permalink#218 - We’re not falling for that “cash for comment” entrapment. Next thing we know, you’ll be writing a tell tale book about our public toilet proclivities.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 01 12 at 11:20 PM • permalinkWhy are some of you even bothering to argue that statement about convicts and Muslims? It’s utterly laughable, makes zero sense, has absolutely no validity and does not even enter the arena of debate. The only response should be: when is the greater Muslim community going to demand the resignation of their top mufti? I can’t think of anyone more embarrassing. It’s impossible to take their religion seriously whilst he’s head honcho.
"But I have made Esau bare, I have uncovered his secret places, and he shall not be able to hide himself: his seed is spoiled, and his brethren, and his neighbors, and he is [future perfect habitual] not.”
Posted by MentalFloss on 2007 01 13 at 12:53 AM • permalinkJeremiah, actually...the “the broken-hearted Prophet”.
The ‘context’ is striking for those familiar with the life and times of this particular Prophet: ”...You will go to them; but for their part, they will not listen to you..."
Posted by MentalFloss on 2007 01 13 at 02:21 AM • permalink#213 Yup. Agreed, Underscore. As far as I’m concerned, if they have no allegiance to this country, they need not remain.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 01 13 at 03:18 AM • permalinkHe said it was like people on a bus who had paid their fare having to stand while fare evaders occupied the seats.
yeah the analogy works if the fare evaders built the bus, looked for and found the oil, built the roads for the bus to go on and supplied the driver. And then had a whip round to give the ‘paying’ passengers the money for their tickets.
your taxi driver’s take still boils down to ‘we have more right to this country then you’
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 01 13 at 05:09 AM • permalinkIn the press this morning --
Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali is an embarrassment to Islamic Australians but it is up to the Muslim community to do something about it, Prime Minister John Howard has said…
When asked today if he was offended by the comments, Mr Howard replied: “I have been insulted by experts.” ...
“I think the community has got to show a bit of generic leadership, he is an embarrassment to Islamic Australians,” Mr Howard told reporters…
Mr Howard said it was no good NSW Premier Morris Iemma saying the mufti could stay overseas because it was the last Labor government who [sic] were responsible for making the cleric an Australian citizen.
Posted by walterplinge on 2007 01 13 at 08:24 PM • permalink
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Context sure is a slippery bastard, ain’t it? “Well, yes, the Sheik did say all Christians were Crusaders who should be burned at the stake while watching their women gang raped, but without looking at the full video they cannot understand the context.”