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Andrew Bolt checks with a military expert to discover if Israel “has any missile that would pop a neat hole in the roof of an ambulance and explode, causing no scorch marks, no shrapnel damage and no fatalities to the people inside.” You’ll be shocked—shocked!—at his findings.
UPDATE. Reader response at the Australian continues to be negative. Samples:
* “The Australian has to be among the very best newspapers in the country, but clearly got it wrong this time.”
* “Chulov was had. And all efforts by him, and the editor of The Australian since, have simply been an exercise in covering their collective rear ends.”
* “What does it matter whether the blog is ‘right wing’ or not? The photographic evidence on Zombietime was sourced both from blogs and from the mainstream media, and all of it points in the same direction: the ambulance strike story is as phoney as a three-dollar note.”
* “I followed the links and damned if it doesn’t look like the journalists were fed a line of propaganda, and swallowed it hook, line and sinker."
* “Just publish the photographs of the ambulance.”
UPDATE II. You’d think a blog-savvy fellow with legal training in matters of evidence and argument and a resentment of News Ltd would be all over a story like this, seeing as it plays to his (however negligible) strengths. Yet—faced with a News Ltd reporter whose story has completely changed, but who stands by his original reporting—the best Melbourne lawyer Walter Jeremy Sear can manage is this.
UPDATE III. The mystery weapon revealed!
Remember: Andrew Bolt works for News Ltd, owners of The Australian.
You have got to commend Bolt’s integrity in attacking his News Ltd colleague as well as the integrity of his News Ltd masters for permitting him to do so.
Compare this to Fairfax’s management of Terry Lane.
I think Chulov’s in serious trouble.
To quote a now well-worn phrase, they believed it because they wanted to believe it.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 09 01 at 02:32 AM • permalinkChulov’s career has sustained more damage than that ambulance.
Tim, a question: You’ve been an editor. What the hell was his editor thinking? Or was he? I can understand a reporter thinking he’d get away with this, but I don’t understand his editor. I could say the same about most of the coverage that came out of Lebanon, but when you’ve been caught out, why the attempted cover-up? You guys heard all about CBS and CNN, didn’t you. I mean, these people know what happened, right? So what made someone in that position think that, somehow, they were going to get away with it when it was already all over the Internet? I don’t understand this mentality at all.
Wally’s prediction that Bolt and Blair will suddenly go quiet about this story has a chilling sheilvoyant quality about it.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 09 01 at 02:44 AM • permalink"Media Watch” will be all over this, I’m sure. It has all the right ingredients:
1) An opportunity to bash Rupert Murdoch and ‘The Australian’;
2) An opportunity to bash Foreign Minister Alexander Downer (who, although correct, went off a bit half cocked); and
3) An opportunity to bash a ‘right wing blog’ for - well, I’m sure they’ll find a reason - possibly for existing, possibly for nor being left wing, possibly for finding fault with Hisbollocks; maybe all 3.Of course there won’t be any thought of going into the actual propaganda that was freely accepted by the MSM - just like Media Watch has ignored the admitted controlling of certain MSM reports of the recent conflict.
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 09 01 at 02:56 AM • permalinkAccording to some twat over at Leftys place we’ve all been “skewered”. Rather than admit defeat the Left are now arguing legal process and semantics. Hilarious.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 01 at 03:13 AM • permalinkAccording to the comments page at Mr Lefty’s site, Blairites have been ‘skewered’ over this story.
And I here I was thinking that burning sensation in my midriff was the chili I had for lunch.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 09 01 at 03:13 AM • permalinkI think Mr Lefty is being terribly lazy. He linked to Dan Riehl’s piece, which if he had bothered to read, was simply a request that all bloggers do not try to analyse the evidence as proof of a definite hoax.
However, Dan Riehl himself has strongly concluded that the ambulance was not damaged by an Israeli missile strike. He isn’t comfortable with the whole “hoax” narrative, but hasn’t given any hefty criticism to the media outlets who rushed to press with the headlines of a targetted Israeli missile strike on Red Cross ambulances.
Mr Lefty should browse the evidence and then see if he can find any shred of evidence to actually support that initial claim.
From the point where its clearly visible that the media version was completely impossible in a story that undoubtedly demonises Israel, I think its quite safe to analyse the actual photography and suggest that it clearly was some kind of hoax. I mean, the ambulance frame is still intact, who in their right mind could suggest a missile struck it ?
Mr Lefty won’t be able to bring himself to make any concession on the issue, no matter the evidence, as it was busted by a right-wing site.
The left is no longer about being right, it’s about making sure the Right isn’t. It’s why we have magistrates and choreographers supporting Taliban terrorists, human rights organisations compiling dossiers on western governments while ignoring dictatorships, or feminists and ‘queer activists’ supporting misogynistic and homophobic muslim states against their own democratic governments.
What’s promoted as liberalism is no longer about the impartial truth or what’s right, but about making them fit left / socialist ideology, and scaremongering the alternative.
Look, its pretty clear there was no missile anywhere near the inside of that ambulance.
That does not say that there was not an attack in its immediate vicinity, though, which may in fact have happened, causing some injuries and outside damage to teh ambulance. I think that is what Dan Rhiel is getting at.That little proviso, though, does not excuse the appalling lack of objectivity and gullibility of the western press, and with the wide disparity of stories, some questions should have been asked. It is clear that the story, at the very least, was so sexed up that the story tellers got themselves confused and forgot the detail of what they had already made up. So the embellished a little bit more, or inserted new justifications. So much so that even if the above scenario is true, it no longer matters. Credibility zero.
Indeed, the idea of a Hellfire, Maverick or similar air-to-ground missile being responsible for the damage we see in the photos of this ambulance is clearly absurd. But let’s for a moment get away from the word “missile” and ponder something air launched but altogether different.
I’m drawing very long odds here, I know, but what I have in mind is the faint possibility that the damage may be consistent with the effects of a cluster bomb, or more specifically an individual submunition or bomblet that such weapons dispense. There is certainly a wide variety in this class of unguided weapon suitable for varying target types ranging from antipersonnel to anti-vehicular and antitank applications, among others. The munition would have to have exploded just above the ambulance, I guess, to blow out the dome, compress the roof and leave radial shrapnel damage anything like what the photos appear to show. To my untrained eye there doesn’t appear to be enough damage even for this unlikely scenario, and the point would remain that the ambulance itself was not specifically targeted but, regrettably, was within a broad zone of targeted enemy activity at the time.
Ahh, maybe I should just stick with my suburban shopping centre, plate glass window ram-raid idea from an earlier thread. Or some heavy footed blokes with hammers jumping up and down on that roof seems just as likely.
The missile exploding “in the vicinity” kills off the purpose of the report. The purpose of the story is to brand Israel as committing a deliberate war crime by attacking the Red Cross ambulances with a direct hit by missiles.
Without the direct hit the charge of deliberately attacking the ambulances fails. A strike “in the vicinity” indicates that the target was something else and the damage to the ambulance was unfortunate because it was in proximity.
This is why Chulov is now changing his story to try to give it some credibility after being so exposed. The weapon is a new smart piece of gear that is so precise that it does no collateral damage leaving “no calling card outside its target”. The problem for Chulov is it leaves no calling card on its target either.
"CIVILIANS KILLED AS ISRAELIS TARGET AMBULANCES”
That was the Australian headline on July 26.
They have not resiled or apologized.
Meanwhile the paper has carried on the most detailed and boring examination of evidence to the Cole enquiry in all its byzantine complexity and of no lasting consequence.So in orderer to speculate, you have to be some kind of expert mmm!. Does that mean Wally will only comment on things relating to Spiderman and quite his profession?
Posted by armageddon on 2006 09 01 at 05:41 AM • permalinkhey guys,
I have to disagree with the cluster munition theory, The M-26 cluster muntition that isreal emmploys is a land to land rocket delivery system (someone please correct me if i am wrong, not much time tonight and i’m doing some of this by memory).
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/08/18/global14050_txt.htm
here is a link, strangly enough these are the same munitions the left are claiming that israel used in populated areas.
The M77 submunition has both antitank and antipersonnel effects. A molten slug of metal projects downward, and is intended to penetrate up to seventy-seven millimeters of armor plate. In addition, the metal body of the submunition disintegrates into fragments that can kill or wound within a four meter radius.
this is an excert, the munitions are primarily anti tank, but as a by-product of the explosion are also anti personel (within four metres). This is because the
I belive i can safely say this weapon was not used, but i’m always happy to be corrected.
Note: i got this information from Human Rights Watch.... I didn’t think i’d be linking to them any time soom to prove a point =P
I know I’ve spent too much time following this issue when I read “cluster bombs” as “cluster bums.”
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 01 at 06:02 AM • permalinkOT, but Behind the News are at it again. This time with an insultingly simplistic (and sympathetic) view of why the Mohammed cartoons upset muslims and caused rioting and murder.
Money quote:
So the issue here is: which is more important, the freedom of speech or not offending a religious group? A very big religious group, making up about one fifth of all the people in the world.
Or does it just come down to respect?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 09 01 at 06:06 AM • permalinkopps, just talked to a friend, the M-26 can be air launched with some small modifications. Still highly unlikly that it was used. He says that the ambulance would still be toast.
Also the anti personl effect is from the warheads detonation, So tthat rules out the pattern of damge on the roof.In my opinion it looks like a shity russian/chinese grenade, but even then it’s a stretch.
The anti-hoaxers are tying themselves in knots over this.
Some rusted areas on the top of the vehicle shows clear signs of later impacts on top of it, as if someone fired shots to make the old damage look worse, and much younger.
The defenders claim the high humidity [70%] allowed the rust to form very quickly, yet when faced with a very lightly-wounded ambulance man’s wounds disappearing the claim is that the same Lebanese climate heals quickly. I thought wounds healed slowly in humidity, so had to be covered up for days.Note to The Australian Editor: IT’S A HOAX.
A lot of naive people cannot bring themselves to accept that ‘Lebanese ambulance men’, real or phony, have been running around fabricating anti-Israel propaganda everywhere.
Ask yourself, if you want to have both a quick emotional impact and credibility for Western journalists, while controlling what they see and interview, isn’t your ‘humane job’ one of the best covers?Remember General Russell Honore?
He was the bloke who told reporters in New Orleans not to get stuck on stupid.
When a reporter persisted in asking questions he’d already said he was not there to discuss, the general said. “You’re stuck on stupid. Don’t get stuck on stupid”.
Wish the general could have a chat with Churnov - and a few others, come to think of it.
o/t Speaking of stuffing up-what is happening in Queensland politics.
Other morning,ABC Franny had roundup of headline stories..there was the line
“the sad death of Lawrence Springborg’s father in law.” Nothing after that.
Commercial radio news an hour later said
Lawrence Springborg’s father in law has committed suicide and the Beattie government(think I got it right) has agreed to withdraw electoral advertising..”
Was advertising ALP stuff targeting Springborg’s father in law or what?and ABC P.M tonight devoted eight minutes to a report by its correspondent in Aceh.
Remember ACEH, the place devastated by the tidal wave to which much of the world’s aid community,including Australia’s,troops and zillions of dollars donated to help.
Well now this place in Indonesia which was to have that new start is apparently flourishing.However the report was based around his recording the sounds of a public flogging of four women,punished for offending against constraints on gambling and alcohol.He didn’t seem at all perturbed by the screams but commented that the “excited onlookers roared,enthusiastically applauding.
Apparently only 3% of Indonesians want a western style law system and sixteen provinces have provision for some aspects of Sharia Law.Aceh already has it.
They are apparently keen to bring in hand chopping for theives next.
Aceh is only a few HOURS flying from Australia. TAKE NOTE AUSSIES,ESPECIALLY WOMEN.
In a related story apparently U.N. workers in Aceh have had their windows spied on by the religious moral police in case their is any evidence of drinking or gambling.
Take note U.N. or would they be silly enough to arrest YOU ................YET.O/T, but Ed Driscoll notes some surprising converts to Islam.
the best Melbourne lawyer Walter Jeremy Sear can manage is this.
How lame. This is what it would actually look like if, as he argues, we were all Gullible Fools...
#23 "significant corrosion (more than surface rust)" - Correct. Strangely the piece of metal at the bottom LH side of the ambulance roof shows no corrosion or rust even at high magnification in the high resolution IRC image. Maybe it is shrapnel from a ...gasp!!... depleted uranium warhead and therefore chemically incapable of rusting.
Or maybe it was just picked up an placed there. And why on its top LH edge, does it have paint the same colour as the red cross on the ambulance?Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 09 01 at 09:37 AM • permalinkThe demonization of Israel is the sole goal of these hoaxes and they have succeeded in attaining that goal. The insidiousness of the hoax lies in the psychological effect of first impressions. Unless the hoax is revealed as a fraud almost immediately, these first impressions get absorbed and take abstract form as “lingering doubts” that Israel is doing the right thing. Oh the public may support specific actions but there will be reservations as to if Israel couldn’t have “done more” to prevent whatever conflict it is currently involved in. Little by little the public faith in the justice of Israel’s cause is undermined. The Arabs and the Left have known for a long time that the US’s support for Israel was deep and could not be reversed over night. So starting long ago they have embarked on a campaign to slowly undermine support for Israel primarily by sowing doubt into the public mind concerning appropriateness of Israel’s actions in defending herself. My local paper is mildly liberal and I only get it to read about local issues and cinema show times. Every once in while I scan the headlines and front-page pictures. Inevitable when I do I see a picture with an Arab in the foreground, usually with a child, and a bombed out and/or burning building in the background. Also inevitable is the picture’s caption of more Arab suffering at the hands of Israel. In conversations with my colleagues and neighbors I have detected increases in negative attitudes towards Israel over the years. The Left’s campaign is working.
Posted by Mark Razak on 2006 09 01 at 10:04 AM • permalink#36 Crash
The election is on the 9th. After that they’ll all shut up with the bullshit - well, they’ll be quieter about it, at least we won’t be hearing it every spare TV advertising second, and paying a fortune for it.
It was reported tonight that Beattie’s mob were going to start with the nasty adverts again.
Beattie has done 4/5 of 5/8 of fuck all, blaming the opposition for the current water ‘crisis’ (it’s their fault, they didn’t do anything when they were in power), and now there’s an election we are being promised the moon.
Dan Riehl has a point, especially since Chulov has stuffed up badly by changing his story. But the photographical evidence remains key because it demonstrates Chulov’s lousy reporting.
Really, there are three separate issues here:
1. Someone (Hezballah being the prime candidate, considering their past efforts) offered falsified evidence to create a non-existent atrocity for the purposes of propaganda. That’s the hoax part, which I accept as a valid explanation.
2. Major news media organizations swallowed the story whole without any attempt to verify the facts. This is either media bias in favor of Hezballah, or simple gullibility. Which is disturbing in any case, given that these organizations are supposed to reliable news sources....or so they claim. The ICRC is also implicated, because I would think that they would investigate such claims themselves, given their supposed neutrality.
3. The Australian and Chulov stand by their original story by changing it to a new story. Which is evidence of ass covering and condescendation towards their readers....both of which rob them of their credibility.
This is a circular problem, with #1 feeding #2, which in turn feeds #3, and then goes right back #1. Watching these characters chase their own tail is amusing unto itself, but demonstrating that to the world is a good thing.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 09 01 at 10:28 AM • permalinkThis is either media bias in favor of Hezballah, or simple gullibility.
It’s a media soap opera bias. The media need viewers. Viewers are their product, not news. They sell you to advertisers.
Wisely, the terrorists produce soap opera suitable stories, hoaxes or not, it doesn’t matter so long as it’s soap.
Dead women and children of course are best of all, but dead victims of any kind will do.
I don’t know if there’s a connection, but this is not the first evidence of something rotten in the Red Cross. In December, 2002, the Red Cross in Britain banned Christmas decorations such as Nativity scenes from its 430 shops in Britain and banned Christian messages of cards its employees sent out. A spokesman said “Things representative of Christmas cannot be shown.” Labor Peer and Muslim Lord Ahmed said: “It is stupid to think Moslems would be offended ...In my business all my staff celebrate Christmas and I cerlebrate with them.” - see the UK Mail, 24 December, 2002.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 09 01 at 11:17 AM • permalinkGotta love The Age!
>Mr Downer relied on the limited and selective images on zombietime.com
Whereas the Age’s story is full of copious hi-res pictures. Not.
>He said he was saved by a helmet and bulletproof armour he was wearing that was strafed at the back.
This is a great breakthrough in protective miltary gear. A helmet and body armour can protect you when a missile explodes right inside your vehicle!
>"What, he thinks we lied?” said Mr Hassan in disbelief.
The Age’s Palestinian source a liar? Surely not!
>Mr Fawaz’s elderly mother Jamila crawled out of the vehicle
His mum was with him in the ambulance at the time. Fancy that!
None of this would stand up in court, yet the author Sarah Smiles insists it’s all true. This whole piece is as bad as Chulov’s, if not worse, because there’s even less detail than in Chulov’s article. There’s little attempt to tell any sort of coherent story, nor does it answer any of the questions that have been asked. It doesn’t even say (or even give any hint as to) what these questions are. It simply says, in effect:
“The story is true because we asked this guy again, and here’s a few more details from him that we hadn’t heard before and which if you look carefully don’t fit in very well with previous versions. Although personally I didn’t look at that any more carefully than I did the ambulances. Don’t worry about what the skeptics are saying, it’s all wrong, the show’s over, we won, go home”.
Posted by Blithering Bunny on 2006 09 01 at 11:51 AM • permalinkWhat are we to believe, a constantly changing bullshit story, or our lying eyes.
The Media has become the Caliphate’s whore.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 09 01 at 11:51 AM • permalinkThe Media has become the Caliphate’s whore.
Become?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 09 01 at 12:25 PM • permalinkIt’s a media soap opera bias. The media need viewers. Viewers are their product, not news. They sell you to advertisers.
You nailed it, rhhardin. Blood and gore sells advertising, it seems.
Thanks for the link, murph. That’s a pretty lame story.
"We spoke truth!” says the people!!
With no evidence. And how many times has non-Muslim sources spoke the truth, with evidence.....and were ignored or rebuffed by these same clowns?
Just more advertising.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 09 01 at 12:51 PM • permalink#45 Dan Lewis,
Dude, you have too much free time on your hands!.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 09 01 at 12:58 PM • permalinkNumber 54:
It appears we’re in for a long fight…
You mean a fight to get some commenters to not post raw urls here?
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 09 01 at 12:58 PM • permalink#68
I felt this article spent more time bolstering the story with sentimental snippets like this one, than it did making any rational argument.
I liked the “...Mr Downer relied on the limited and selective images...”. Talk about accusing your opponent of your own sins. The blogs have dug up every possible photo that is in existance, while the Red Cross, for example, has hidden some and the MSM only relay one or two.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 09 01 at 01:11 PM • permalinkI think you are missing the obvious answer here - the ambulance was hit by a zionist rubber missile!
/need I
Chulov lied - no one died
Posted by Pogue Mahone on 2006 09 01 at 01:49 PM • permalinkLefty on his blog (in the comments section):
Hence, I continue to express scepticism about both versions.
In short, he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. And these are the people who laughed at Rumsfeld for his “unknown unknowns”.Lefty then goes on to show that he doesn’t understand the concept of “burden of proof”
Priceless.
"The Media has become the Caliphate’s whore.”
heh! Great line.
#75, Lefty doesn’t understand the concept of *thinking*, never mind all that complicated legal stuff.
And he’s a lawyer.Posted by Crusader rabbit on 2006 09 01 at 03:57 PM • permalink#48, lol.
O/T. Islamic heaven is controlled by the Jews. I think this will cause much consternation, particularly amongst the Jihadists, whom thought blowing Jews up was their ticket to Allah’s great brothel. heh.
Not only that, but the Qu’ran has Allah promising the Holy Land to Jews - for all time.
Must be hard for Muslims to have such an ardent Zionist for their deity.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 09 01 at 06:03 PM • permalinkWith all the stage managed atrocities in the middle eastern “THEATRE” of war, someone should come up with an awards ceremony. Maybe the actual award could be called the Moore/inaccuracy achievment award, named after Michael Moore who is a great muckraker of untruths. please feel free to suggest other names for this award.
I think at this point the MSM are just hoping to put enought doubt into the hoax stories that they can then drop the issue. In the future they can then just casually refer to the incident as if it really happened. They want to make sure the burden of proof remains with the accusations of it being a hoax.
For a few days after zombietimes debunking the burden of proof had actually shifted to where it should be - on the people accusing israel of targeting ambulances.
Now did the elderly mother crawl out of the vehicle before the missile hit or is the missile an even newer one with a concussion shock wave that travels less than the crawling speed of an elderly lady? Or did she crawl to escape the fire that leaves no burn marks?
And the missile now entered throught the back? Is this through the open doors as they were unloading down the ramp as per Chulov’s new version? Why the focus on the hole in the roof then? Or is this another ambulance they are talking about? If this is the case why do we get only pictures of 782?
You would think having a few days to think about something would at least allow them to get their stories straight. The scary thing is that maybe they’re simply not smart enough to realise the holes they are plugging in their own stories.
Crusader rabbit
"The Media has become the Caliphate’s whore.”
heh! Great line.Yeah. I can’t claim the credit, though: it’s a rephrasing of a running gag at LGF.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 09 01 at 07:05 PM • permalinkUgh.
The Age are trying to do a hatchet job on Zombie.
The Age would appear to have joined others in questioning Zombie’s legitimacy based on anonymity. All too frequently however, Fairfax bylines note that articles were written by an anonymous “staff reporter” or “agencies“ without actually saying - for the record - who wrote an often biased or inaccurate report. I suspect we are now going to see even more of this.
You know, I’ve looked again at the picture of the inside of the ambulance reputed to have been hit by the missile.
I can only conclude from the picture that Israel have finally perfected the feared “Messy Bomb”.
Perhaps it was the technology suspected by millions of parents who have commented that their childrens’ rooms “look like a bomb has hit it”.
Huzzah we found Jamila!
As I said on my blog, google up Sarah Smiles.
Written in 2003 by the ABC
“Sarah has been working as a freelance journalist throughout the Middle East for the last year.
She moved to Lebanon to study at the American University of Beirut but has found so much work she has put her studies on hold.
Sarah loves the nightlife in Beirut, which leaves Sydney in its wake.”Probably explains her reporting.
And why no photos of amputee man Sarah doll? Not a Hizbo rocket man himself perhaps? Or a bit of baksheesh to prop up your nightlife?
I remain absolutely amazed by the Israelis though - not only do they have some sort of flying contraption that can cloak itself as anything form a noisy strafing Apache to a drone - sometimes silent, sometimes a motorcycle - with pilots that can precision pop abandonded ambulance air vents and insert open air sunroofs into abandoned cars, with barely a buckle, a bit of blood, or even debris from the weapon defuses, these weapons can nevertheless sear off a man’s leg a boy’s foot and and fill his stomach with shrapnel without leaving shrapnel marks in or out of the ambos which look cleaner than even my car? Where was the kid? On the roof?
So amazing they can not only fire almost from directly above, but within seconds through the back of a target metres away.
Those Israelis, are just...frigging...awesome.
And frankly if the dude was a mechanic in Tibnin, then if it’s this url=http://www.fallingrain.com/world/LE/2/Tibnine.html]Tibnin[/url], which has a government hospital, what prompted “the transfer”...
Frankly, this is fun. As each “journo” seeks to verify the hit by asking the original liars, to repeat their lies, they keep digging more holes for the Hizbos.
Actually re-reading Chulov’s article something i’d overlooked was his reference that he inspected “both ambulances”. Where are the pictures of the other ambulance? As far as I’m aware all the photos shown so far have been of No 782. Or am i wrong on this? Now if the other ambulance is damaged more consistently with a missile attack where are the pictures. And where are the injured? All the stories told so far refer to the injured in one ambulance.
And if the damage to the second ambulance is less than 782 are we to suppose that the amazing lack of damage from israeli attacks happened twice? The writers of “Lost” couldn’t make things more opaque than these newspaper fellas.
It appears Smiles is advancing the ‘wrong ambulance’ theory, already addressed by zombietime. In particular she appears to be contradicting Chulov’s current story:
“Just after 11.30 a large explosion thundered into Shalin’s ambulance. Both drivers were wearing body armour and had just loaded two stretchers carrying Ahmed Mohammed Fawaz and his 14-year-old son, Abdullah.”
The photo with Chulov’s story also identifies the ambulance as No.782 (with the hole in the roof). As zombietime points out, Shalin is repeatedly shown posing with ambulance 782.
Smiles now says Fawaz was not in this ambulance.
Here are some more questions for Mr. Chulov and the Australian’s editors.
If the new story is that the ambulance was damaged by an explosion in its general vicinity then why is there a hole in the roof? Where is the ventilator?
It is now admitted that it wasn’t destroyed by a missile’s direct impact. It clearly wasn’t smashed off by an explosion - because there are no shards and the screw/rivet holes are not torn. Clearly it has been deliberately removed. When? Before the accident? Do ambulances typically operate open to the air? After the accident? Why?
Even to ask this question gives these liars more than tey deserve, but: Why isn’t the ambulance made available for examination by experts? Silly question.
Why havn’t the mainstream media demanded this? A major media organisation could have flown out an expert to examine it. They havn’t.Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 09 02 at 12:41 AM • permalink#97 No, it’s what Popeye eats spinach to be ready for!
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 09 02 at 01:02 AM • permalink#97KK, I saw this on the news, and they described the men as being of middle eastern appearance, so that’ll be a “yes”.
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Y’see, Martin. That’s how to check a story.
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