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In a reversal of usual trends, someone has borrowed an idea from Phillip Adams:
If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated, British Nobel literature laureate Doris Lessing predicted in a newspaper interview published in Sweden.
UPDATE. An original idea ... Phillip Adams ... whatever was I thinking? As Alan R.M. Jones emails, Joseph Palermo beat Adams to the Obama assassination fantasy by five days.
Has she ever, y’know… actually been here?
Oh, well. She gets a pass for being demented because she had such a cool reaction when they told her she’d won the Nobel.
Posted by Don't Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2008 02 09 at 09:54 PM • permalinkTwits who come up with this sort of nonsense seem to forget that every US president stands a chance of being assassinated.
The stats are:
There have been 43 presidents to date.
There have been 17 known or publicized attempts to kill sitting or former presidents.
Four attempts have been successful.
God knows how many moody loners, nutcases, political extremists and other assorted villains are out there plotting the demise of any US president for any reason at any given time.
So, it matters not at all whether Obama, Clinton, McCain or anyone else gains the Oval Office; someone is bound to be gunning for them once they get there.
So, any candidate has had to quietly and courageously accept the very real potential they might be assassinated in office.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2008 02 09 at 09:57 PM • permalinkWell, the lefties sure are working hard to spread the idea of assassinating Obama.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2008 02 09 at 10:00 PM • permalink“If Barack Obama becomes the next US president he will surely be assassinated, British Nobel literature laureate Doris Lessing predicted…”
We need to copy the Brits. Their nation has existed for centuries, and not one black King or P.M. has ever been murdered.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 09 at 10:00 PM • permalink“Doris is 88, so she has an excuse for being demented.”
She’s also a Stalinist (although she claims to have converted from Marxism to Sufism), thus she was obviously demented long before she reached old age.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 09 at 10:19 PM • permalinkI don’t see how Edward of Woodstock was any more “evil” than any other noble of his time.
(Note: Black Prince is a misleading title that was given to this Prince a few centuries after he died. He was never called it in life).
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 10:34 PM • permalink“She’s a Wandering Ismist?”
Yeah, idiots and fools tend to do a lot of wandering from ism to ism.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 09 at 10:35 PM • permalinkQuentin:
Oh, sorry, forgot to add…
(Note: Black Prince is a misleading title that was given to this Prince a few centuries after he died. He was never called it in life).
Well, yeah. With that whole being evil thing, and having access to lots of swords, pikes and arrow shooty bows and such, I doubt anyone called him anything but Sir or Lord or Your Majesty to his face.
He has to be evil. I saw it on a movie, Braveheart or some such. So it must be true.
I know you’re being sarcastic but Braveheart, disregarding it containing many historical howlers, doesn’t even have the Black Prince…the English King in Braveheart, Longshanks, is the Black Prince’s great grandfather.
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 10:44 PM • permalink<i>I doubt anyone called him anything but Sir or Lord or Your Majesty to his face.<>
He was the heir to the throne. He would have been always called “the Prince of Wales”.
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 10:45 PM • permalinkQuentin:
...the English King in Braveheart, Longshanks, is the Black Prince’s great grandfather.
For reals? Wow, cool. So, the evil thing, that was genetic, like, you know, inherited?
PS. I rather liked Braveheart. Not for a historical perspective, but I do tend to enjoy good hero epics, be they fact or fantasy.
Btw, now that I’ve pushed this particular skit way too far for good taste, why was he called the Black Prince?
#13 It’s not a “misleading” title at all, Quentin. It’s thought to have related to the colour of his armour, that’s all. In other news, the Red Baron wasn’t an American Indian.
Edward’s chevauchée tactics - which became a fetishistic pathology in many instances - were despicable. They may or may not have made him worse than his contemporaries but dying of natural causes was, for him, an undeservedly peaceful exit.
Wouldnt the irony meter explode if Obama WAS assassinated, by a follower of the ROP?
The metaphisical and “logical” underpinnings of the left would go into complete meltdown.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 09 at 10:59 PM • permalinkThe left loves Obama. They want him elected president because they think he will do more to destroy the Great Satan than any of the other contenders. If Americans agree with that view and don’t elect him, they can then accuse Americans of being a pack of racists. But most of all, they want him murdered because then he will become a martyr as surely as if he strapped a bomb to his body and boarded a school bus.
##13 It’s not a “misleading” title at all, Quentin. It’s thought to have related to the colour of his armour, that’s all. In other news, the Red Baron wasn’t an American Indian.
Did you not read what I said? He was never called the Black Prince. Never, ever. It only was started to be used in the 16th century - over two hundred years after Edward died. Richard Grafton simply saw a piece of armor belonging to Edward - one piece - and made up the title “Black Prince” for his own history book. On the other hand, the Red Baron was called such while he was still alive, and by people who lived at the same time as him.
Edward’s chevauchée tactics - which became a fetishistic pathology in many instances - were despicable. They may or may not have made him worse than his contemporaries but dying of natural causes was, for him, an undeservedly peaceful exit.
This was an era in which Edward’s great-grandfather had prosecuted a war of aggression against Scotland and Wales, violently expelled all the Jews from England, and a time in which the French had made unprovoked assaults on English territory. It was a violent age. Edward of Woodstock was simply more pragmatic about the war than others were and, as a result, was able to prosecute it more effectively. Saying Edward was “evil” is ridiculous. He was no more or less evil than most European royalty of the time.
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 11:14 PM • permalinkPaco, ‘the Undeady’ was also a damn good nick for Aethelred. In school I did a caligraphy of “The Battle of Maldone” which was all about how he got that nick.
Actually, the common theory is that he got the title at his baptism - he took a crap in the baptismal font.
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 11:15 PM • permalinkActually, upon googling that, seems it is a tall-tale…..apologies.
Posted by Quentin George on 2008 02 09 at 11:16 PM • permalink“They were thinking hat-trick: Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Colin Powell. As was Ted Kennedy when he abandoned any White House ambitions: Jack, Bobby, Teddy.”-Phat Phil
So this twat rekons he know the thoughts of not just a Kennedy, but General Colin Powell, a professional soldier of 35 years? Pull the other one, its got bells on.
The only thing Phil would know about Powell is that he’s black. And is usually pictured in a ‘stylish green suit’.
This whole thing reminds me of a real interesting email I got send a few years back:
Look what happens when a President gets elected in a year with a
“0” at the end.1840: William Henry Harrison (died in office)
1860: Abraham Lincoln (assassinated)
1880: James A. Garfield (assassinated)
1900: William McKinley (assassinated)
1920: Warren G. Harding (died in office)
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (died in office)
1960: John F. Kennedy (assassinated)
1980: Ronald Reagan (survived assassination attempt)
2000: George W. Bush ????????????Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 09 at 11:17 PM • permalinkDid you not read what I said? He was never called the Black Prince. Never, ever.
He was first called the “Black Prince” in 1568. Never, ever? Pope John Paul wasn’t called “the Great” in 1979 either but he may be called that in half a century or so. Your point is bizarre. He is known to history as the “Black Prince” or just Edward III. The sobriquet may have related to the colour of his armour or that may have been positive response to a negative French usage that related to his appalling tactics in France during the Hundred Years War. Either is reasonable, historically.
This, of course, has nothing to do with my (comedic) comment at #6 or its reasonable observation that he died an undeservedly peaceful death.
#22, for me, the best thing about Aethelred’s nickname is that it’s a pun.
I find it very disconcerting that many on the left are having fantasies about Obama’s assassination. Sadly, for them it’s a neccessary part of the narrative, of a racist America. It needs to happen, to validate their worldview.
Well, I should point out that 100% of the assassinated US presidents have been white males. Clearly evidence of racism and white male priviledge. So in the interests of affirmitive action, we need some dead Black, and female, and Hispanic, and Asian-American presidents. And let’s not forget the GBLT community - they’re obviously woefully underrepresented. Somebody needs to file suit against - oh, I don’t know. It’s obvious, however, that a lawsuit must be filed somewhere, on somebody’s behalf.
For, you know, the children.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2008 02 09 at 11:32 PM • permalinkQuintin:
Just for future reference, in case confusion crops up again, any reference to “saw it on tv” or “was in a movie, so…” equals “this is meant as bullshit, so take it as such”.
I’m assuming you’re a UKer (or is that UKian?) so, on a personal note, I appreciate seeing folk stand up for their own, historical or present.
Your Prince might have got the name later in history for whatever reason, but our Clintons are still evil. And, those who say that to their faces do tend to end up as messy corpses.
So I do claim 1/2 credit on that test question.
Interview with Doris…
“Q. Were you surprised at the criticism you received after writing, in your first [memoir], about leaving the kids from your first marriage behind you?”
“A. Of course I wasn’t surprised. The thing was that this was a terrible thing to do, but I had to do it because I have no doubt whatsoever if I had not done it, I would have become an alcoholic or ended in the loony bin. I couldn’t stand that life. I just couldn’t bear it. It’s this business of giving all the time, day and night, trying to conform to something you hate. Nobody can do it without going crazy. My husband was a civil servant who became increasingly high in the ranks. He couldn’t afford a wife who had [radical ideas]. I wouldn’t have lasted. I became friends with the kids later, and the grandkids, and so on. I’m not pretending that anything terrible didn’t happen.”
IOW, raising her kids was a pain in the ass, so she ditched them, along with her hubby.
Old Doris, is basically a waste of skin. Naturally, the leftys adore her.
Personally, I couldn’t care less what she has to say on any subject.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 09 at 11:34 PM • permalinkYou guys might also be interested in this.
Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.
Now it gets really weird.Lincoln’s secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy’s Secretary was named Lincoln.Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.
Now hang on to your seat.Lincoln was shot at the theatre named “Ford.”
Kennedy was shot in a car called “Lincoln” made by “Ford.”And here’s the “kicker”:
A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 09 at 11:34 PM • permalink#30 but Brits won the Second Hundred Years War at Waterloo. So O-man may sue for peace.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 09 at 11:34 PM • permalink# 34 A week before Lincoln was shot, Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland, and A week before Kennedy was shot, JFK was in Marilyn Monroe.
Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 09 at 11:37 PM • permalinkI realize this thread is about who’s gonna shoot which POTUS and for why, but… us USers don’t talk about that sort of thing, at least where the guys in suits can hear us.
It’s kind of a cultural no no.
So, on to more interesting topics, like the expected fall of the UKers to the latest anti enlightenment forces.
I still have faith in the old home team. I believe we’ll get the first hint that the real fight is on when the soccer hooligans grab up trash can lids, arm themselves with pointy sticks, lead pipe lengths or chains with bolts on the ends and start walking toward the enemy.
Of course, I might have an image of what to expect that’s been colored from reading:
The Saxon Chronicles series
But I can see the shield wall forming in my mind’s eye.The UKers, and the others of the west, and our own selves, all’ve been through this before. We bend and bend and bend, until the elasticity is gone from the bending, and then the snap back.
No one beats the Brits when it comes time for them to stick out their chin, shake their fist and say “that’s it, now you done it, we’re coming to kill you now”.
#36, Stack, While your almost certainly right (can you blame the guy?), I’m not going to speculate.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 09 at 11:50 PM • permalink#29 C. L.,
The Black Prince was not Edward III. That was his father. Edward of Woodstock never became King, dying before his father did. His son did become King, Richard II, who was King during the Peasants’ Revolt. When people talk about “getting Medieval” on someone it’s poor Richard’s unhappy fate they are referring to.As for Braveheart, Robert Conquest tells a funny anecdote about it in his book “Reflections On A Ravaged Century.” The son of a Scottish friend was attending university in Texas when the film came out. American friends asked him what he thought of it, expecting to hear a diatribe against the Sassenach. The Scot dismissed it: “It’s nought but a haggis western,” he said.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2008 02 09 at 11:53 PM • permalink“Wouldnt the irony meter explode if Obama WAS assassinated, by a follower of the ROP?”
TFM - The irony meter is safe. If such an act took place in the future, if the assassin wore an islamic headress, screamed “Allah Akbar!”, was captured or killed, identified as a Yemeni, whose father in Yemen then stood up and said his son loathed Obama for being an apostate (which he is, by that measure) and had set out to kill him, and Al Queda (what’s left of them) then announced a week of celebration in honor of their “heroic martyr”, and a special Haj to Mecca was announced in celebration….
Half the Western world would KNOW for a fact that it was actually racist right-wing oil-mongers who carried it out. And professors would teach that. And Oliver Stone would film that. And MSNBC would report that. And a host of today’s ten-year olds would know it as absolute fact by the time they were twenty. And anyone who had the temerity to point out… the headress…. the Akbar….. the nationality…. the family admission…. the AQ celebration….the Haj… would be either shunned from polite society or treated with that smirk of the bien pensant we all know so well.
Count on it. (God, may never it happen.)
#39 Yes, Quentin - apologies for that. But Edward is known to history as the “Black Prince”. The argument that he was “never ever” called this is bizarre. It’s not even controversial. The Royal freaking Navy called five of its ships HMS Black Prince between the seventeenth and the twentieth centuries.
#22 Pace, actually, his name was Aethelred the Unrede, meaning “uncounselled” because he was notorious for not taking advice.
I believe the modern English spelling of Aethelred is McCain.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 10 at 12:21 AM • permalinkHell, Obama has to worry about surviving the primary season if he’s going to cross the Clintons…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 10 at 12:24 AM • permalink“Joseph Palermo beat Adams to the Obama assassination fantasy by five days.”
After rereading Palermo’s piece…I think somebody needs to tell Joey that RFK wasn’t shot by a Haliburton terrorist, but rather by a Palestinian terrorist.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 10 at 12:24 AM • permalink“My favorite royal nickname is Aethelred the Unready.”
I’m kind of partial to “The Leper King”.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 10 at 12:37 AM • permalink“Edward of Woodstock never became King,”
Yeah, but he got to drop some mind-blowing acid, and hear Hendrix play the Star Spangled Banner. That’s almost as good as being king.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 10 at 12:47 AM • permalinkThis is a SNL bit of Chris Rock’s- why there will never be a black vice president:
Now as you know, there’s been a lot of talk about a black vice president. And I just wanna tell the world that it’ll never happen. As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I’d do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I’d kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, all right, people would be coming up to me and I’d be signing autographs: “97-KY, here you go.” Guys would be going: “You’re the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you, Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were. And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? I’d just be pardoned by the black president. So you see, Dennis, it would not be in George Bush’s best intrests to place Colin Powell on the ticket.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2008 02 10 at 01:08 AM • permalink“I liked Braveheart”
It showed Mel Gibson naked, but it didn’t show Sophie Marceau naked. That’s unforgiveable, IMO.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 10 at 01:19 AM • permalinkDave Surls:
...but it didn’t show Sophie Marceau naked.
I blame the French.
I did enjoy the movie though. I like heroic epics. Screw historical accuracy. I want heroes of the 10 foot tall, iron willed and indomitable type.
Man’s gotta have something to try to live up to. If we go all historical accuracy all the time, we might end up with nothing but clay feet and quivering snivelers for the youngers to emulate.
Grimmy that arrangement could only happen if there is no clear winner at the end of the primaries. Having Hillary as his vice-president would be a bigger problem for Obama than any opposition form Republicans. She would not take kindly to being passed over without the possibility of succeeding him, she would be close to 70 at the end of Obama’s second term.
Phat Phil wants Obama to be assassinated if he is elected?
Does this mean that he does not like black folks and thinks that the uppity ones should be put in their place? With a bullet?
Hey, I am only asking the question here. Part of that speaking truth to power schtick the leftards said was just fine when Howard was in government.
Phat Phil is a kumbaya redneck, it seems.
MarkL
canberraHee! This is fun!
If he is killed ...
please, please let it be Chelsea Clinton that kills him.
I can only hope the Obama/Clinton feud ends in some Hamlet-like finally.Obviously, I don’t think he will be shot.
I don’t take that assassination talk seriously.
See The Left has a vested interest in maintaining the story of how evil & racist the US is. If Obama gets elected, that will cause serious problems with their victim narrative. The only people that want Obama assasinated are The Left. Hell, half of The Right wants Obama elected in the misbegotten hope that a black President will cause the The Left to shut up.#56
Phat Phil wants Obama to be assassinated if he is elected?
Think Phatty isn’t fussed when Obama is assassinated just provided he is martyred. Think he would settle for Obama slipping in the bath just to have the man dead.
“Barak was killed by a white, a white who could never accept a black president,” Phatty would write in The Australian, later explaining himself by saying he meant “white bath tub”.
#56, MarkL, “a kumbaya redneck”, I love it.
#57, EvilDave, “half of The Right wants Obama elected in the misbegotten hope that a black President will cause the The Left to shut up.”
Your right there, I’m one of them Misbegotten or not.
#58 & 59, Zefal, After the most rudimentary research possible (3 wiki pages), it would appear your right. My bad.
As for all this assassination stuff, can Aussies get arrested for talking about killing the PM? I know the yanks are a bit up tight about that kind of stuff, but whats the story down under?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 10 at 06:25 AM • permalinkThe_Wiz_of_WOZ:
First: Do you have an acceptable shortend version of that damn nick that you’ll respond to? That is entirely too much typing just to say a name.
Second: The reason there’s strictures on talking about killin the Pres is because, as history shows, we’re the sort of folk who tend to follow through on things we really care about.
#62, Grimmy, Yeah man, most folks call me WOZ or Wiz. Someone, I forget who, calls me WOW.
I really don’t care as long as you don’t call me late for breakfast.
Secondly, I know why you guys have that law. I’m trying to work out if our guys in suits will pay me a visit if I discuss killing KRudd. Especially considering our much tighter gun laws.
FYI: Sir JWH took most of the semi auto rifles and pistols over.38 caliber. Which I rekon is a bit odd, considering a .357 is a shitload more powerful than a .40.
Either way, I’m really more the hands on type…
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 10 at 07:27 AM • permalinkRe #63, ‘pistols’ should read ‘handguns’, they took the revolvers over .38 too.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 10 at 07:29 AM • permalinkIf Bill Clinton dropped dead of a heart attack whilst eating a cheeseburger and rooting a floozie with big hair, Hillary and Phatty would scream that he had been done in by the VWRC.
At least that would be the case, if one of you bastards would return the Assasin Floozie Mk IV to it’s rightful spot in the armoury.
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 10 at 07:39 AM • permalink#65, Mr Creosote, I was informed that we’d traded her in and were waiting for the new and improved Mk V.
But then again, it was Wron that told me…
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 10 at 07:55 AM • permalinkWe had to drop the Mk V after it malfunctioned in Scores.
All it did was whack KRudd on the head with a drinks tray, instead of hacking at his neck with the thin bit until the blood flowed across the floor…
Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 10 at 08:02 AM • permalink#37. “No one beats the Brits when it comes time for them to stick out their chin, shake their fist and say “that’s it, now you done it, we’re coming to kill you now”.”
Well, we beat ‘em once. They were coming to kill us but, as it turned out, we all hung together instead of hanging separately.
But your point is taken. Neville Chamberlain did his best to put Britain in an unwinnable position against Hitler (because, you know, “accommodation” is the way to get along with people out to take away your freedom) but in the end the British snapped back and decided to defend their way of life. It took a Churchill to do it, though, so I guess one question is: Are there any Churchills left alive in Great Britain? And would they have a snowball’s chance in Hell of acceding to power in today’s politically correct pussy climate?
kcom:
If it wasn’t for the dire straights the Brits found themselves the need for Old Tenacious (my personal name for the guy) would never have been recognized and he’d have gone down in history as “that guy what did the Gallipoli catastrophe” or sommat.
Hard times bring a responding hardness out in folk. Wont know who’s gonna do the rising up, but he/she’s there somewhere, count on it.
I have every expectation that if Obama were foolish enough to make Hillary his VP that the Clinton’s would have him assassinated. Who better than someone with insider knowledge of how the Secret Service works, and with detailed knowledge of where all the hidden passages are in the White House?
If Hillary is VP for President Barry Obama, my over-under on his life expectancy is about 12 days after swearing-in.
And best of all they can blame the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and get Rush Limbaugh taken off the air as an emergency measure in the chaotic aftermath!
Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2008 02 10 at 10:53 AM • permalinkShaky Barnes:
This is why the deal will have to include the Clinton peace cow as a hostage.
Obama will have to take the Clints to his breast, or how else will he be able to keep track of them?
The daughter of the Clints would need to be locked up in a donjon with a guard of Farrakhan’s best. If he dies, she dies. That’s the only way it could work.
Hillary wouldn’t dare do it if she was Veep. The Secret Service hates her with an abiding passion.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 10 at 11:56 AM • permalinkLet’s wrap this thread up. As an American, I find the whole topic deeply unnerving, and haven’t the slightest doubt that Tim’s legions of detractors will happily point at it to show that his readers “advocate the assassination of Obama because he is black” etc etc.
It’s a little similar to “let’s nuke Mecca” threads. Some topics just really don’t need to be discussed at all, when nothing good or illuminating can come from it.
IMHO.
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Doris is 88, so she has an excuse for being demented.
What’s Phat’s?