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MATE: THE COLUMN

Mate! Mate? MATE! Maaaaaate!

Posted by Tim B. on 06/09/2007 at 02:17 PM
  1. Please note that by merely substituting the word “dude” for “mate”, all of Tim’s linguistic rules will work equally well in California.

    Posted by Ed Driscoll on 2007 06 09 at 02:38 PM • permalink

  2. Didn’t David Spade do this bit with “Dude” about 10 years ago?

    Posted by Kevin on 2007 06 09 at 03:03 PM • permalink

  3. I think that premise in the standup routine was, “‘Dude’” is the ‘aloha’ of the eighties” or whichever decade.

    Posted by Apostic on 2007 06 09 at 03:59 PM • permalink

  4. This became a matter of contention when Paris was freed after three days. Miranda claimed Hilton’s date of release fell exactly between our two selections and that we should share the huge cash prize.

    My legal team determined Hilton had spent just over 72 hours in jail, meaning the prize was rightfully mine.

    It’s all yours, mate, the Sheriff’s Department gave her credit for 5 days: she checked in one minute before midnight and was given credit for the whole day, and then was “transfered to home detention” one minute after midnight 72 hours and two minutes later… and given credit for the whole day: 5 days.

    Celebrity inmate math, it’s a beautiful thing.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 06 09 at 04:10 PM • permalink

  5. #1 Ed Driscoll

    Please note that by merely substituting the word “dude” for “mate”, all of Tim’s linguistic rules will work equally well in California.

    Still true, but perhaps not for much longer: the word “bro” (short for “brotha” but pronounced “bra” with an abreviated “a” sound) has been supplanting it for a few years now, among Southern California’s Anglo working class* kids at any rate.

    *Not exactly southern Redneck, perhaps our version of Bogan or Chav.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 06 09 at 04:21 PM • permalink

  6. the word “bro” (short for “brotha” but pronounced “bra” with an abreviated “a” sound)

    Which has been the “dude/mate” standard in Hawaii for decades.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 06 09 at 04:25 PM • permalink

  7. Oh, so that’s where it came from: Hawaiian surfer lingo. I’ve never been to Hawaii, so it was a bit of a mystery.

    Thanks.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 06 09 at 04:31 PM • permalink

  8. Well, I guess I’ll show my age if I bring up the term “pal,” though it was mainly used to denote irritation (if my ancient memory serve me), as in “Look here, pal. . .”  Then there’s “guy” (plural, “guys” - can mean either male or female, or both) and “bud” (short for “buddy”). 

    Americans are much too fond of the latest slang to keep any such term for long, unlike Aussies and their “mate.”

    Posted by saltydog on 2007 06 09 at 04:44 PM • permalink

  9. Mac used to serve the same purpose in some quarters as well.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2007 06 09 at 04:50 PM • permalink

  10. Oh, so that’s where it came from: Hawaiian surfer lingo. I’ve never been to Hawaii, so it was a bit of a mystery.

    For some reason, it doesn’t sound out of place on Maui…but on the mainland it just sounds weird.

    Posted by steveH on 2007 06 09 at 05:06 PM • permalink

  11. Not really so much Hawaiian suerfer lingo as it is the dialect of Pidgin that native Hawaiians have developed over the years.  Not being particularly familiar with Californian surfer lingo, I’m guessing they’ve picked up bits and pieces, but the actual Pidgin dialect is actually quite complex.

    Posted by Vexorg on 2007 06 09 at 05:44 PM • permalink

  12. Not a new thing really. Consider the many and varied uses of the popular alternative to the word intercourse.  lol

    I once read a list that must have included at least fifty examples.

    Posted by Franklin on 2007 06 09 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  13. Tim, thanks mate (1) for this new facility in writing. Although the word’s multitudinous meanings can be tonally transmitted in speech, it has been almost impossible to achieve that with the written word.
    That is until now mate (4)!
    However, perhaps to keep the column safe for families, you seem to have omitted a few common meanings:
    Will you mate (7) with me tonight Luv?
    The captain and his first mate (8) were just good friends.
    The plumber’s mate (8) was rapidly learning the trade from his master.

    So, mate (3), when are you going to do something about these omissions in your column?

    Posted by Skeeter on 2007 06 09 at 06:28 PM • permalink

  14. Being from Melbourne, I don’t know whether this has received airplay in the northern states, but I have never seen it on the telly down here.

    Thought it appropriate.

    Mate Video

    Posted by MB on 2007 06 09 at 07:17 PM • permalink

  15. Should have said….may be mildly NSFW

    Posted by MB on 2007 06 09 at 07:18 PM • permalink

  16. You spent your winnings from the office pool on an iron?  Not more canned wine?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 06 09 at 07:43 PM • permalink

  17. Being from Melbourne, I don’t know whether this has received airplay in the northern states, but I have never seen it on the telly down here.

    I suspect thoes chappies were looking to con-su-mate, mate.

    Posted by surfmaster on 2007 06 09 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  18. Lol #17…..true enough.

    Posted by MB on 2007 06 09 at 07:54 PM • permalink

  19. OT: I saw this snippet of good news in the Age today:

    Reyne can’t explain why the ABC hasn’t re-signed him and Age columnist Tracee Hutchison for another season of their well-received Dig TV, a half-hour music program that screened last year on ABC-2.

    I think we know exactly who was to blame eh?

    Posted by Nic on 2007 06 09 at 09:24 PM • permalink

  20. O/T but the ALP have revealed who is really running the party, heres a sneak preview of their new new ad!

    another ad.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 09 at 10:00 PM • permalink

  21. O/T. A picture is worth a thousand words.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 06 09 at 10:04 PM • permalink

  22. darrinhV2

    I recognise Fisk but whos the second bloke?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 09 at 10:20 PM • permalink

  23. #21, #22: I think it’s Boris Yeltsin before Fisk drove him to drink.

    Posted by paco on 2007 06 09 at 10:25 PM • permalink

  24. thefrollickingmole - the other bloke is none other than Frederick Toben.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 06 09 at 10:53 PM • permalink

  25. The context of that pic.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 06 09 at 10:55 PM • permalink

  26. More on mate. “Now listen here, mate!” is not an invitation to enjoy my fine tenor voice.  Also “Now look here, mate!” is not an invitation to appreciate my skilled handiwork. You could substitute “bud/fella” for “mate” but here in Australia they may thought to be fighting words.

    Posted by Softly on 2007 06 09 at 10:57 PM • permalink

  27. Aaaah!! Blairs law strikes again! Thanks for that, hadnt seen him before.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 09 at 10:58 PM • permalink

  28. Great column, had me laughing out loud.

    O/T : New show on ABC.
    Carbon Cops

    a new enviro-science TV series that wants to help you save money and combat global warming. Each episode will feature one household that will have their home’s structure, appliances, vehicles and habits assessed for energy efficiency. They will then be challenged to make physical and lifestyle changes to significantly reduce their energy use.

    You will watch it, or these guys will pay you a little visit in the middle of the night.

    Posted by Mike_W on 2007 06 09 at 11:19 PM • permalink

  29. #25 Darrinh: What a nutball site! Dig this line from Tobin: “In Israel itself Fisk has noticed no give-and-take on any issues, and he thinks a change within Israel will have to come from New York.”

    Oh, no! Fisk and Tobin have discovered the Big Secret! Israeli domestic policy is, in reality, run by a cabal of retired garment manufacturers operating out of a back booth in the 2nd Avenue Deli. Who spilled the matzah balls?

    Posted by paco on 2007 06 09 at 11:26 PM • permalink

  30. O/T but 1.618 seems to be having a little down spell back in the fridge topic. Dont know wether to be concerned or not.

    “...I’m not well, so I’m leaving Blair news for now. I dont want to live anymore. I’m going to get help. so bye.”

    Doesnt look good, but shes talking about getting help.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 10 at 12:53 AM • permalink

  31. #30 Frollicking, I did try emailing during the week to see if she’s okay, but my email bounced back. :(

    I hope she’s ok.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 06 10 at 01:10 AM • permalink

  32. Great column again.  The one line post is based on a scene in the movie Gettin’ Square, where the one sided dialogue of a phone call consists of the one word, mate, repeated about twenty times - brilliantly done.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2007 06 10 at 01:54 AM • permalink

  33. #30, 31 - I hope she’s okay.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 06 10 at 02:04 AM • permalink

  34. #30 That doesn’t sound good.  We need our ‘e’.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2007 06 10 at 02:10 AM • permalink

  35. #30 She does know she can email us if she needs anything, doesn’t she?

    Posted by Ash_ on 2007 06 10 at 02:13 AM • permalink

  36. Has anyone ever seen Paris Hilton and 1.618 in the same room?

    Anyone? Beuller? Anyone?

    Just askin’, you know…...

    Posted by Kaboom on 2007 06 10 at 03:24 AM • permalink

  37. Get tough, 1.6!

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 06 10 at 05:29 AM • permalink

  38. Mate! Mate? MATE! Maaaaaate!

    Tim, have you been talking to my mother? When I find the right girl I’ll get right on it.

    Posted by Col. Milquetoast on 2007 06 10 at 05:59 AM • permalink

  39. A delayed reply to JonathanH:

    You been bugging my surgery?

    Ah jeez, one of the beautiful things about this blog is that I can let out some of the stuff my job just won’t let me get away with. A colleague the other day asked me if I’d seen a really good documentary called An Inconvenient Truth. The self-control I exerted would have impressed the Dali Lama.

    Oh, and Jon, almost forgot: LMAO - thanks, mate (intonation #1, standard mate, no inappropriate emphasis).

    Posted by Dminor on 2007 06 10 at 07:35 AM • permalink

  40. I’ve been noticing quite a few 50-something American males using “Man” again, which I believe was the pre-cursor to “Dude.” Didn’t care for it much in 1960-whatever, don’t care much for it or it’s spawn now. “Brah” used to be cute, then I lived on Oahu’s Windward side for 3 years, so it’s overdone in my little brain now, too. “Mate” doesn’t irritate me, possibly because I haven’t heard it so much. And it seems to have so many more interpretations!

    Posted by KC on 2007 06 10 at 09:19 AM • permalink

  41. The popularity of Brah might be from Dog The Bounty Hunter.

    One thing that bugs me about that show (well a lot of things do) is that they’re always sneaking up on people.  Wouldn’t they do better if they had beaters instead of brand new shiny SUV’s, and wouldn’t they stick out a little bit less if he cut his hair and dressed down a bit….  I know, he’s the DOG.  It’s his thing.  *sigh*

    Posted by Kevin on 2007 06 10 at 12:31 PM • permalink

  42. frollickingmole, last year my wife gave me a t-shirt that I occasionally wear to irritate some of my friends.  It says “Cheney/Cthulhu 2008” on the front and “Why settle?” on the back.

    Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2007 06 10 at 09:19 PM • permalink

  43. Let’s not overlook the distinguished career of one Keanu Reeves, built upon the same linguistic flexibility.

    “Whoa”
    Whooooooa!”
    “Woah…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 06 10 at 10:08 PM • permalink

  44. Great column, Tim.

    You might also recall a morphological extension (in length) that has a diminishing inference: matey. This is often used by older men talking to younger men (well, kids), and is very commonly used subtly to indicate subversion of authority. Like when the 58 year old retiree comes back to the pubic service as an ASO4 in petty cash and has to deal with 30 year old EL1s and 22 year old SES Band 1s (or so it seems to me).

    “Here’s your travel itinerary, matey.”  “Gidday matey.” “That’s the wrong form you filled in - you’ll have to go back and do it again, matey.” Etc

    Posted by Abu Chowdah on 2007 06 11 at 01:28 AM • permalink

  45. #31, I emailed her too, but got no reply…

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 06 11 at 06:11 AM • permalink

  46. All right, 1.618, this is Paco speaking. Paco, you understand? Report in.

    Posted by paco on 2007 06 11 at 08:51 AM • permalink

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