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MAN OF NO TV APPEARANCE

Britain is doomed:

A police force withdrew plans for a televised appeal to help catch an Afghan suspected of sexually assaulting women after a race watchdog warned that it might spark a violent backlash.

Detectives were due to appear on an episode of ITV’s Manhunt to ask for help finding Noorullah Seddiqi, 34 ...

But the Chief Constable of the Devon and Cornwall force, Stephen Otter, told officers not to go ahead with the programme after the Devon Racial Equality Council, funded by and affiliated to the Commission for Racial Equality, said the appeal could lead to a racist backlash.

The BBC reveals that even general alerts on this chap apparently cause offence:

Police have been criticised for putting out a public appeal for Mr Seddiqi in April, three months after he broke bail.

(Via a senior crown prosecutor in the UK, who tells of “deep frustration” over police trembliness. To say the least.)

UPDATE. An open letter on related themes of nannying do-goodness.

Posted by Tim B. on 07/22/2007 at 08:43 AM
  1. I’m glad I went there after college. I’ll always have my memories from 1981 of the tea house at Bath, walking around the parks in London, riding the train through Scotland. (Even then Arabic graffiti was all over the place. My mother and I, after experiencing the British idea of food, ate at quite a few kebab places.)

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 07 22 at 08:49 AM • permalink

  2. That’s what it’s come to: Failing to prevent a violent crime is less detrimental to a British police officer’s career than being accused of being racist.

    Posted by murph on 2007 07 22 at 08:59 AM • permalink

  3. Did this sort of thing ever happen to Nick Ross?

    Posted by Apostic on 2007 07 22 at 09:04 AM • permalink

  4. It is more than sad, more than frustrating, more than disappointing.

    Posted by Simon Darkshade on 2007 07 22 at 09:05 AM • permalink

  5. Reminds me of an episode of Mr logic in Viz where hes a copper. He witnesses a pursenatching by a bald white dwarf. Due to his politicaly correct radio transmission another group of coppers picks up a black tall kid with dreadlocks.
    here he is.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 07 22 at 09:21 AM • permalink

  6. There is enough Irony here for another verse of Alanis Morrisetes “Ironic”. Is this where positive discrimination ends or begins, I’m confused, i think i was in the wrong queue when my share of positive discrimination was handed out, and this guy got it.

    aguycalledbrad

    Posted by aguycalledbrad on 2007 07 22 at 09:28 AM • permalink

  7. sick sick sick sick sick - he’s probably assaulted a few more women by now

    Posted by KK on 2007 07 22 at 09:28 AM • permalink

  8. They’re playing into the hands of the BNP.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2007 07 22 at 09:37 AM • permalink

  9. "But the Chief Constable ... said the appeal could lead to a racist backlash.”

    Ah - they misheard him.  He meant “rapist backlash”.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2007 07 22 at 09:42 AM • permalink

  10. Yeah, I’m still mulling over that race watchdog thing, too.

    Posted by Apostic on 2007 07 22 at 09:47 AM • permalink

  11. Look, there’s no use in capturing the guy, cause that’ll also be offensive. So why don’t they give the man a cigar and make him PM?

    DICKHEADS.

    Posted by Fast Eddie on 2007 07 22 at 09:57 AM • permalink

  12. I recall Aussies standing up out of real respect when they played “God Save the Queen” at the pictures, the footy, the theatre, and even at school.

    What the hell happened?

    England is fucked.

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 07 22 at 10:37 AM • permalink

  13. British police succumbing to assinine political correctness to the point that they will stop pursuing a violent criminal.  This is beyond pathetic.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 07 22 at 10:38 AM • permalink

  14. These moral morons should be required to write an apology to each and every woman in the UK, setting out in detail their calculations re said woman’s personal safety vs. their own sense of political correctness.

    I could even write it on their behalf, but they won’t like the result.

    Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2007 07 22 at 10:59 AM • permalink

  15. Police Bulletin

    Please be on the lookout: some guys --
    We can’t say their race, shape, or size --
    Did bad things again,
    And giggled, and then
    Escaped without need of disguise.

    Posted by lyle on 2007 07 22 at 11:02 AM • permalink

  16. I saw on Fox News this morning that the U.S. Congress had voted to strip the funding for the prison at Guantanamo of funding, which means that it will have to be closed. The Senate then voted overwhelmingly not to permit the inmates to be interned in the U.S. I’m not sure what the alternative is. Prison hulks moored off of Key West? Oil platforms converted into penitentiaries? Do space stations have brigs? The same senate that keeps trying to precipitously pull the troops out of Iraq also overwhelmingly passed a resolution that such an action would increase the danger of terrorist attacks in the U.S.

    I’ve quoted Mencken on this subject before, but his opinion becomes more apt with every passing day: Democracy is a circus run from the monkey cage.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 11:18 AM • permalink

  17. #16: Actually, one “funding” would have been sufficient. PIMF.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 11:19 AM • permalink

  18. I’m glad too I saw London when it was still London.  Will it ever be so again?

    Posted by Patricia on 2007 07 22 at 11:38 AM • permalink

  19. Laban Tall blogged on this a while ago - as he said

    the potential victims of racist attack are more important than the actual victims of rape and sexual assault.

    Posted by Blithering Bunny on 2007 07 22 at 11:44 AM • permalink

  20. Another tragic dimension to Britain’s pathetic decline as a nation is that Her Majesty’s Opposition zealously supports all of the multicultural nonsense responsible for it. Britain is now a Blairite one party state. I fear Australians are now signing on for the same thing, if predictions are right about the prospects of Kevin “Here to Help” Rudd.

    Posted by C.L. on 2007 07 22 at 11:52 AM • permalink

  21. How is it racist to go after a Presbyterian charged with a crime? Isn’t it the politicians who are suppposed to be spineless weasels, not the cops? What a bunch of fags. And I don’t mean cigarettes.

    Posted by Latino on 2007 07 22 at 11:53 AM • permalink

  22. The BBC Reports...

    After committing a prank
    The men whose appearance was blank
    Decided to hide
    Their weapons inside
    The vault of a busy branch bank.

    Um… well, to be perfectly frank,
    It was more of a crime than a prank,
    And, um… in this case,
    The ‘bank’ was a place
    Where blank-blank was practiced by blank.

    And that’s the news.

    Posted by lyle on 2007 07 22 at 11:56 AM • permalink

  23. #16

    I’m not sure what the alternative is. Prison hulks moored off of Key West? Oil platforms converted into penitentiaries? Do space stations have brigs?

    Evidently these detainees have become the new toxic waste.  “Anywhere but here, baby!”

    Posted by Apostic on 2007 07 22 at 12:06 PM • permalink

  24. I certainly hope that the Telegraph gets a visit from Scotland Yard for insensitively publishing this fine fellow’s photo.  Good heavens, some poor cabbie might get scowled at because of this!

    Posted by Jeffersonian on 2007 07 22 at 12:12 PM • permalink

  25. Is there an outrage in the UK from feminist groups I wonder?

    Probably not - pandering to this PC mindset means that women are classed as second class citizens , not worth protecting from this scumbag

    Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 07 22 at 12:21 PM • permalink

  26. #1, #18
    I too, am glad I saw London when it was still London.  I am told I wouldn’t recognise it today.  Now I confine my trips much further north. 
    I fear the entire UK is permeated with this pc plague.  Britain needs to get its spine back. So what if it upsets other Afghans. But if his picture is posted (even more than one if they have) why does race have to even be mentioned? 
    “The issue here is not race at all but serious sexual violence. It is as if the victims are being forgotten in this case.”
    exactly, Yvonne, now go catch the bastard.

    Posted by missred on 2007 07 22 at 12:32 PM • permalink

  27. Does that mean the complainers will no longer go to work because traveling by car or train might result in an accident and they might die?  Will they stop eating, too, because they might accidentally swallow food the wrong way and choke to death?  Will they stop swimming, crossing streets, playing sports, etc., etc. because something might go wrong that will hurt them?  Just wondering.

    As far as I can see, the only thing that might cause a racist backlash is if we start letting people get away with crimes based on their race.

    Posted by kcom on 2007 07 22 at 12:39 PM • permalink

  28. #20: Odd - and enraging, actually - how multiculturalism has come to mean a situation in which a country’s traditional culture, that may have existed for hundreds of years and have religious and philosophical underpinnings going back thousands, is transformed into nothing more than one among competing, alien and largely inimical cultures that act in a parasitical way on the original host, enjoying the benefits of its civilization while slowly emptying it of its character, and paralyzing its will and, ultimately, its physical capacity to defend what was once a unique and dynamic social and political entity. The great tragedy - as is almost always the way with tragedies of this magnitude - is that it doesn’t have to happen, it isn’t bound to happen, but it will almost certainly happen as the self-confidence of the host country is undermined by the fatuous cultural egalitarianism of its leaders, by the collapse of popular belief in the worthiness of the nation’s own traditions, and the sheer moral and intellectual sloth that can take hold of large numbers of people just as easily as can some burning and militant fanaticism.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 12:43 PM • permalink

  29. I say release them at Harvard, Columbia and Berkeley.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 12:44 PM • permalink

  30. #28 Paco,
    Once again, I am awed by your way with words and insight.  Thank you
    (i would throw flowers but they would just mess up my keyboard ;D)

    Posted by missred on 2007 07 22 at 12:48 PM • permalink

  31. #29: I think I’d release them at West Point, VMI and the Citadel.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 12:53 PM • permalink

  32. #30 Missred: Clown suit’s at the cleaners, and all I could find was my mortar-board hat and tassle.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 01:05 PM • permalink

  33. #28 Paco, send a copy of that to all British Tory MPs. Heck, would that The Times published it as an editorial.

    Posted by C.L. on 2007 07 22 at 01:15 PM • permalink

  34. Better a few women quietly raped, than a possible riot if they go after the rapist too aggressively, sounds like.

    Nice.

    Remind me to never go to the UK.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 22 at 01:16 PM • permalink

  35. I saw his picture at the link. His features are distinctive, and no one could fail to spot him on the street. What is more racist than saying, “This won’t work because they all look alike.”

    Posted by ErnieG on 2007 07 22 at 01:25 PM • permalink

  36. This kind of thing is exactly what will cause a Racist Backlash. The public’s patience is limited, and I’m very much afraid such racially-motivated idiocy will result in many innocents being lynched when people snap.

    If we’re lucky, it will be like Maroubra, where no-one was actually strung up.

    The BNP must be laughing, it’s exactly what they want, as a previous commenter so accurately observed.

    Posted by Zoe Brain on 2007 07 22 at 01:25 PM • permalink

  37. #33, C.L.
    I agree - it is definitely editorial material.

    Posted by missred on 2007 07 22 at 01:34 PM • permalink

  38. #28 Paco - I wish you were correct in your assertion that British culture and identity are just one of a plethora competing for dominance on the Sceptered Isle, but I’m afraid that, though the statement is broadly true, the reality is far worse.  Amongst the chattering classes, Britishness is largely considered prima facie illegitimate to the point that it is significantly hobbled in all aspects short of having a millenium of inertia. 

    Nor is this a new phenomenon - in 1991 I went diving in Key West with a British couple who were shocked at the display of the stars and stripes here in the US.  The further informed me that simply flying the British flag was considered ‘racialist’ and highly frowned-upon even then.  The process of hollowing out the British psyche was well under way.

    I, too, remember fondly my first trip to London in 1981 when I stayed at a youth hostel a stone’s throw from St. Paul’s.  I may have passed Andrea in a park or on the streets.  I also remember being shocked at how much it had changed, and not for the better, when I returned in 1986.

    Posted by Jeffersonian on 2007 07 22 at 01:43 PM • permalink

  39. They have watchdog racing in Britain? I thought that it was usually greyhounds.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2007 07 22 at 01:47 PM • permalink

  40. The Brits are a lot more interested in using the power of government to maintain order, than to guarantee and protect the rights of their citizens.

    Hence, cases like this…

    Tony Martin

    They’d rather have rapists and thieves run loose than have a population that can and will defend itself.

    Posted by Dave Surls on 2007 07 22 at 01:56 PM • permalink

  41. The fruits of multiculturalism:

    “Honor killing” of a young Kurdish woman in London

    I forget, though - the monsters who perpetrate such murderous, vile acts are just acting in a culturally appropriate manner and should not be judged by evil Western imperialists like me.

    Posted by Blue State Sil on 2007 07 22 at 02:35 PM • permalink

  42. #33: Thankee, C.L., but I fancy that it would be like shooting a rhinocerous with a BB gun.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 02:49 PM • permalink

  43. Paco—the cadets are too disciplined.

    New York fire houses.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 02:57 PM • permalink

  44. Better not mention that the suspect is a man because that would be racist.  Best not to give an estimated age, because we don’t want any cries of ageism, either.

    Posted by SwampWoman on 2007 07 22 at 02:59 PM • permalink

  45. Ooops, meant SEXIST.

    /I need chocolate. And to remember what that key that says “preview” means.

    Posted by SwampWoman on 2007 07 22 at 03:00 PM • permalink

  46. The Chinese response is somewhat more vigorous.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 03:02 PM • permalink

  47. I would shake my head in wonder at the foolishness of the sheeple, but my sheep have a much higher developed sense of self-preservation.

    Posted by SwampWoman on 2007 07 22 at 03:06 PM • permalink

  48. #43 Richard: Perfect!

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 03:07 PM • permalink

  49. "I saw on Fox News this morning that the U.S. Congress had voted to strip the funding for the prison at Guantanamo of funding, which means that it will have to be closed. The Senate then voted overwhelmingly not to permit the inmates to be interned in the U.S. I’m not sure what the alternative is."

    The alternative is to simply execute them all. Summary execution is, and always has been, a lawful measure for dealing with spies and saboteurs. It’s permitted under the Geneva conventions. Creating the Guantanamo facility to house these people instead was an act of mercy. But if the Democrats in Congress insist on shutting it down, then the inmates should simply be lined up and shot. Their lives were forfeit the moment they participated in attacks and espionage against the U.S. while disguised as civilians.

    Posted by sundog on 2007 07 22 at 03:30 PM • permalink

  50. The BBC has had to backpedal on a string of lies lately, the British police have lost the plot and British local councils are well, being
    local councils.

    Maybe they need a few Glaswegians to set about them.

    BTW and OT, I think the commenters here could significantly add to this list.

    Posted by saint on 2007 07 22 at 03:52 PM • permalink

  51. Shouldn’t that be the Devon Racial INEquality Council?

    Posted by Dave Wane on 2007 07 22 at 04:21 PM • permalink

  52. I saw on Fox News this morning that the U.S. Congress had voted to strip the funding for the prison at Guantanamo of funding, which means that it will have to be closed. The Senate then voted overwhelmingly not to permit the inmates to be interned in the U.S. I’m not sure what the alternative is."

    Wow! At last we can say it: Thank God for the CIA’s nonexistent foreign secret prisons…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 04:55 PM • permalink

  53. Also “Commission for Racial INEquality”....Shouldn’t it be.

    Why does any modern democracy create all these racially divisive and totally unnecessary bodies in the first place?

    Posted by Dave Wane on 2007 07 22 at 05:16 PM • permalink

  54. #39: They have watchdog racing in Britain?

    Yeah, but it’s not too exciting. The dogs are usually so busy keeping an eye on each other that every race ends in a photo-finish, with most of the mutts nosing across the finish line simultaneously. Very difficult to get decent odds from the turf accountants.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 05:16 PM • permalink

  55. Paco—yes but since they’re all so busy watching each other it’s usually a winner by an ear.

    I understand bassets have a big advantage…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 05:54 PM • permalink

  56. When the wolf/sheep/sheepdog equation gets this badly out of line the only thing left is to let the wolves run unmolested thru the sheep for a while.  Eventually the sheep will be frightened enough to beg the sheepdogs to kill ALL the wolves. 
    Inshallah.

    Posted by Carl H on 2007 07 22 at 06:01 PM • permalink

  57. #46 “China is waging a war of cultural extermination against its muslim minorities”

    Seems like the Chinese are the only peorle who really appreciate the threat, and are wise enough to ensure -now -that a minority will not get any larger.

    As one would do with rats or cockroaches!!

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 22 at 06:05 PM • permalink

  58. > The Senate then voted overwhelmingly not to permit the inmates to be interned in the U.S. I’m not sure what the alternative is.

    I think the explanation there is that we tricked the Democrats into voting for that amendment, (and BTW that’s an amendment to another bill; it’s not yet existing law and the bill may very well not pass).

    The amendment was worded with ain’t not type of stuff, so you had to vote yes to mean no, and versa vice.

    Harry Reid was either too busy to notice or tell his peeps which way to vote, and… he got “Mitch slapped”.

    Anyway!  That’s some sick shite going on in Brittania; good thing girls can carry concealed handguns over there!

    Posted by zeppenwolf on 2007 07 22 at 06:10 PM • permalink

  59. I think the police often just want to feel collars.
    Isn’t that what they’re paid to do?

    Posted by lotocoti on 2007 07 22 at 06:19 PM • permalink

  60. I fail to see what is racist about a program stating that Mr X is wanted for alleged crimes.  He is x years old, last seen in x, and is a former citizen of Afghanistan.  He is x tall, of olive skin colour, hair is brown, has a tattoo of x on his x, bearded, and answers to the call of “fresh white meat”. 

    Apart from that last bit, where is the racism?  To say someone is of olive skin colour, or a former citizen of afghanistan?  This is not racism, this is fact.  You cannot be racist for saying this.  It would be like someone saying I’m a white Australian.  And?  So?  That is not offensive - it is who I am ffs.  c’mon man, this is getting to insanity.

    paco - 28 - it is interesting to consider what this merging of cultures will bring - history has rarely seen such mass migration and integration on a global scale.  There would be very few Western countries spared the immigration impact.  So what will become of these countries, this great mixing of cultures?  Will world wars be more difficult to start when countries share many common peoples?  Will they fracture along cultural lines?  Will these new peoples come to change their ways to any extent, taking on cultural values of their new countries?  or vice versa?  Think in terms of generations.

    Posted by peter m on 2007 07 22 at 06:23 PM • permalink

  61. #60 peter m

    Get yourself a copy of Mark Steyn’s ‘America Alone”

    Cheers
    RodC

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 22 at 06:32 PM • permalink

  62. British Theme song

    Rule Is-lambics, Is-lambics rule the way
    They will never never never be their slaves!

    Alan Jones had a very interesting guest on how Theology of Islam is misinterpreted in context.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2007 07 22 at 06:40 PM • permalink

  63. # 58 Women able to carry concealed handguns in Britain???? ....You are shitting me, surely

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 22 at 06:45 PM • permalink

  64. Englishman = coward

    Posted by Pericles on 2007 07 22 at 07:11 PM • permalink

  65. It’s odd how the BBC refer to it as a ‘sex case’ instead of rape, almost implying that it was somehow consensual.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 07 22 at 07:11 PM • permalink

  66. #12 Pedro:

    What the hell happened?

    For the first 18 years of my Aussie yoofdom I stood and sang God Save the King, FFS.
    My first passport, issued in Sydney, Australia, in 1966 was a British Passport with greetings from the Queen inside the front cover.
    But then, Labor decided “It Was Time” and Gough was elected.
    He lasted just long enough to do irreparable damage to our culture.
    Political correctness became law and the wheels fell off.
    And that, IMHO, is what the hell happened.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2007 07 22 at 07:23 PM • permalink

  67. #22 lyle :)
    Exceptional, as usual.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 07:47 PM • permalink

  68. #66, the rot started a long time before Whitlam and continued long after, it was the Liberal Fraser government that put the final nail in the coffin.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 07 22 at 08:08 PM • permalink

  69. Although I hate to say this, I now believe that krudd, bargearse, the bald minstrel, various Sussex St thugs et al will form the next government of this land, throwing us back into a triumh of leftism to compare with whitlamism, made more so because they will have a full house across the land.  Why do I think they will win?.....

    Forget the polls -it’s what the bookies are saying!

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 22 at 08:20 PM • permalink

  70. Well, I finished the San Giovanese and chocolate, time to start thinking about Sunday dinner…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 08:21 PM • permalink

  71. #28
    The apparent Brit tolerance of extremist Muslim behaviour is largely PC window dressing by the pollies and leftist meeja?
    Such apparent tolerance could be dangerous if it gets enacted into law, e.g. MV’s religious vilification scare campaign in Oz.
    Suspect that your average Brit is, privately, far less tolerant (’Rule Britannia’) than your average Aussie.
    There are examples of brave souls such as John Smeaton, the baggage handler who foiled the airport attack; the ilk of the football gangs would likely riot against territorial grabs in the nature of the Oz Cronulla riots.
    Islam may be insidious, but PC is largely lip service, which, hopefully, minorities realise.

    Folks, such as Murph, could prolly give a UK man-in-the-street take on this.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 08:21 PM • permalink

  72. Saint—well, I can see the Pokemon one.  But they better leave HALO and World of Warcraft the fuck alone…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 08:24 PM • permalink

  73. #17

    No, Paco. Funding funding makes a lot of sense. Prisons are expensive expensive.

    Posted by kae on 2007 07 22 at 08:30 PM • permalink

  74. They’re even banning the English flag!

    Posted by Retread on 2007 07 22 at 08:33 PM • permalink

  75. #69
    How is the betting going?
    It’s not a poll of who the punters will vote for, it’s who they think the majority will vote for.

    According to The Age’s Michelle Grattan, recent polling says that the youth vote is now ‘leaving Howard in droves’.
    It’s weird that he should have had such support, but why would they leave in droves?
    As others have stated, mainstream polling techniques are becoming an anachronism ... they don’t even call cell phones, so how are they to accurately gauge mainstream youth’s opinions?

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 08:35 PM • permalink

  76. Cindy Sheehan gets the bird!

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 07 22 at 09:25 PM • permalink

  77. egg_ - We are seeing similar polls in the US, and I think they may very well be valid.

    Why? One word, quite simply… they are “youth”, and will simply look at the generation in fron of them, even just five to ten years older, and do different for the sole sake of doing different. And unless they have a friend personally murdered by jihadists, or been beaten up by same, or in SOME way have been forced to confront the primary issue of the day by a direct event that has actually changed their life, choosing Rudd(?) over Howard, or Hillary over (insert GOP winner here) is like choosing a McChicken over a Big Mac, today. Six of one… whatever.

    One reason why I have never been enamored of the “youth vote”.

    Posted by Andrew X on 2007 07 22 at 09:28 PM • permalink

  78. "According to The Age’s Michelle Grattan...”.  Just stop right there.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2007 07 22 at 09:33 PM • permalink

  79. 78 :)

    SmAge poll: Time to go?
    Should John Howard lead the government to the election?

    Voting currently:

    Yes - 40%
    No - 60%
    Total Votes: 5392

    From a lefty rag.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 10:07 PM • permalink

  80. #77
    The McRudd - just like the McHoward, only lite on substance ...

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 10:28 PM • permalink

  81. #28 your apt description has a literary precedent, see The Midwich Cuckoos; allowing a “Cuckoo culture” to take over the host culture.

    As you point out (summary) it is the host culture allowing itself to be taken over...my question is why? Part of it I think is lack of experience with people/cultures who really DO wish to take over.

    Similar phenomena can be witnessed in some households and workplaces where there is usually the one or two destabilising types who cause mischief, play people off against each other, rumour-mong, and work their way up the hierarchy happily causing chaos along the way. they are always excellent at garnering support from the top, people realising what they’ve been up to only when it’s too late.
    When you don’t have experience of these types it’s hard to recognise and battle.
    Even when you do it’s difficult!

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 07 22 at 10:45 PM • permalink

  82. egg_ The problem is it wont be light on substance when it counts...... krud will go to the polls with a “Howard Lite” series of policies(witness today’s forestry “policy"), do all the talking himself, and could win quite comfortably.  Then we shall see the real policies revealed as bargearse, mr baldy etc swing into action. Think of the damage this lot will do in 2 1/2 years!!!!

    Smart people will start to reduce their exposure to the stock market.

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 22 at 10:48 PM • permalink

  83. #77 #82
    I can see the gullible youth swallowing Rudd’s lip service to AGW, etc. throughout the entire campaign, not at the last minute.
    Laura Tingle (and Christian Kerr) a while back were discussing polls saying older voters were supporting Rudd, youth Howard - WTF!
    Why the drastic change of late? ... suspect it’s the nature of the polling questions themselves have changed (coupled with crud polling technique - nil cell phone).

    RodC
    Reckon it will be close and share your concern.
    Keating’s ousting was a shock that the polls didn’t predict?
    Likewise, Howard’s non-ousting will be a shock that the polls didn’t predict?

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 22 at 11:35 PM • permalink

  84. #81 Carpefraise: I think Kipling was on the right track.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 11:47 PM • permalink

  85. BTW, England isn’t the only place where insanity runs rampant.

    Posted by paco on 2007 07 22 at 11:59 PM • permalink

  86. Re Pommygranate’s Open Letter....... wonder how long before he’s arrested?

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 23 at 12:22 AM • permalink

  87. #85
    Savage needs a savaging.

    Posted by kae on 2007 07 23 at 12:30 AM • permalink

  88. egg_

    I can’t remember what the polls were saying about Howard/keating, but to call keating’s defeat a surprise greatly underestimates how much he was loathed by the country at large.
    Hope to God I’m wrong, but I can’t share your optimism.

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 23 at 12:47 AM • permalink

  89. #88 Rod C
    Look on the bright side Rod. If Krudd et al win, the surely we can look forward to years of the ABC/Age etc etc, flogging the government of the day and thereby holding them to account?

    That’s what they’re doiung isn’t it? Holding the government of the day to account without fear or favour?

    Posted by Pickles on 2007 07 23 at 02:29 AM • permalink

  90. #88
    Kruddy’s definitely running a strong campaign, apparently along the lines of Tony Blair’s ‘New Labor’ - Tory Lite, (apparent)disaffiliation with the unions.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 23 at 04:05 AM • permalink

  91. #81
    Similar phenomena can be witnessed in some households and workplaces ... and is only tolerated for so long ...

    Cripes, the RWDBs are sounding like a bunch of defeatists ...

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 07 23 at 04:09 AM • permalink

  92. Via a senior crown prosecutor in the UK, who tells of “deep frustration” over police trembliness. To say the least.

    None of this should really be surprising. This is the Labor party’s “vision” of society realised. Anyone who voted Labor, voted for this.

    Posted by DropDeadUgly on 2007 07 23 at 04:22 AM • permalink

  93. #89 Old sailors saying, Pickles
    ..............Hit me, don’t shit me!!

    Posted by Rod C on 2007 07 23 at 04:27 AM • permalink

  94. #46 - paco - good link.
    This next Australian election is pretty important, as was the Turkish one over the weekend. If we get ALP in all states and at Fed level, things will go downhill. Before you know it there will be the Pom sort of PC crap going down here too. Back to pandering to the various minorities while the backbone of the nation suffers scoliosis.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2007 07 23 at 07:42 AM • permalink

  95. Give all of you folks a hint?
    How many people of the Islamist faith join the military? Give you a hint about Australia’s, very bloody few. And I bet the same thing goes for the US and UK. If you are bred to believe that the culture around you is corrupt, why would you sign up to defend it with your life?
    I would think that (God forbid) this sort of situation (the subject of the post) ever got MSM coverage, average folks, (yes, your John Smeatons, if you will) would not be all that multi - culti minded. Given their history, not at all. I know at least a dozen ex Brit Army who have come to Aussie to join ours, and every one hates what the UK has become. My 11 year old nephew says I’m like the Borg in Star Trek - assimilate or die.
    Probably true, but 6 generations of my family have defended this country, and my children, or theirs (if I am ever lucky enough to have them) won’t live under a frickin’ bastardised Caliphate.
    We like beer, boobs and bacon too much. :)

    Posted by 185600 on 2007 07 23 at 08:34 AM • permalink

  96. I’d laugh, but the Dems have just scuttled protection for people who provide information on potential terrorist activities to the authorities.  Turn in a terrorist, get sued by CAIR, courtesy of the Democrats.

    It’s not just Britain, or Australia, or the US.  This isn’t the world I grew up in.

    Posted by MarkD on 2007 07 23 at 10:14 AM • permalink

  97. Money Quote from Pommygranate:

    ‘1984’ was written as a warning, not a &^%#ing instruction manual.
    Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2007 07 23 at 11:44 AM • permalink

  98. The alternative is to simply execute them all.

    And if they need funding there, I’ll chip in for ammo.

    Posted by Achillea on 2007 07 23 at 05:21 PM • permalink

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