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"LIKE WATCHING SOMEONE DIE OF PROSTATE CANCER"
Media Watch online moderator (and executive producer) Tim Palmer didn’t mean to cause no trouble:
Media Watch holds no particular view on the appropriateness or not of the laws [of vilification and discrimination] in question. They were simply presented to assess the potential legal position of those who published some of the comments shown on last night’s program.
Keep going, son:
If someone believes in the absolute right to cry out “fire” in a crowded cinema, that’s one extreme of the free speech argument. Other viewers might see comments such as those on Tim Blair’s blog, suggesting ways of killing and disposing of the bodies of Muslim taxi drivers as exceeding reasonable free speech.
Call me cynical, but I’m not buying Palmer’s claim - seeing as he’s such a screaming law-protection pansy - that Media Watch merely wanted to assess my “potential legal position”. It’s interesting that Media Watch feels so much more strongly about comments at my site than about blind people being denied taxi rides:
He allowed this vicious discussion about Muslim taxi drivers supposedly knocking back passengers with guide dogs.
I know; as if that would ever happen. In other highlights arising from Monday night’s Media Watch Palm-o-rama:
• One or two readers noticed that Media Watch’s voiceovers presented American commenters as grotesquely exaggerated Australians. This error may have been avoided if Media Watch had bothered to contact me prior to broadcast.
• This pre-approved, MW-moderated comment appeared yesterday at the Media Watch site:
The only understanding I can make is that MediaWatch carries the torch for Globalism and maybe even Zionist groups as they are known to push Hate Speech laws so they can’t be questioned themselves in crime. ABC is starting to show a disproportionate number of Jews in the places of power in the ABC.
It was subsequently removed:
EDIT
• Another comment also briefly appeared, but was cut within ten minutes, despite not breaking any ABC rules:
At 1:47:00PM on 19 June 2007, you posted a comment from me about the Media Watch program of the previous evening. It was published in its entirety, so presumably passed your moderation process. The post did not mention any person, web site, group, race, religion, sexual orientation or disability. It contained not one solitary word that could be considered “bad language”. It was merely a post that attempted to point out that what some people may find offensive, others may not and I gave a personal example of my father’s death. I also gave my opinion that sites that are not moderated need not be visited by anyone who is offended by the content. The post was by author, “Perplexed” and the subject was, “A champion for censorship”.
That post was presumably cut because it slyly - too slyly for forgetful moderator Palmer, until he detected mockery in comments here - referenced this Tim Palmer email criticising the work of blogger Professor Bunyip:
It’s more like watching someone die of prostate cancer. It’s tedious, the viewer may die of something else in the meantime and in the long run you just don’t want to know about it anyway.
regards
Tim Palmer
Sensitive fellow, isn’t he?
It’s falsely shouting “fire” & inducing panic in the movie house that’s outside free speech. If there truly is a fire in the cinema, then by all means, alert your fellow patrons to that fact.
Pointing out that there’s a virulent, violent form of Islam out and about in the world today is not meant to induce false panic, but rather to show that there are people who want to commit terrorist acts simply because Salman Rushdie is getting a knighthood, and not basing their opposition on literary grounds.
Nicely put, rbj1, but lost on Palmer, who seems more intent on focusing on Australians pointing out a known threat than the Islamic fanatics who cheerfully call for the murder of an author who wrote something said fanatics disagree with.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 06 19 at 01:50 PM • permalinkGood thing they missed the wood chipper thread.
It’s more like watching someone die of prostate cancer. It’s tedious
Tedious? Well ALL of you folks with this type cancer, now you know. Palmer doesn’t give a damn, he’d rather it be a spectacular airline crash, maybe a bombing in, say Bali.
Prove my point, you say?
the viewer may die of something else in the meantime and in the long run you just don’t want to know about it anyway.
My vote is for sniveling weasel. It has a ring to it.
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 06 19 at 04:30 PM • permalinkThis fellow Palmer; bit of a tick, wot? Dodged bullets in Lebanon, it says somewhere; we’ll see if he finds ducking brickbats from the Comment Academy any more to his liking. Wot? Admires Fisk, does he? What a ghastly outsider! Next thing, I suppose, we’ll be hearing that he keeps pet ferrets and collects salt and pepper shakers. No, I’m afraid he won’t do.
Mr. Palmer has obviously become the self-appointed judge of what constitutes “reasonable free speech.” The fact that “free speech” that is reasonable, regardless of the standard used, is rarely in need of protection is what makes the principle of free speech important in the first place. It is speech that people don’t like that requires protection from the mob. If he thinks that people who engage in hyperbole to make a point are unreasonable, I suggest he look to his own hyperbole. In fact, the world would be improve a great deal if people like Mr. Palmer would mind their own business and stop trying to rule the thoughts of others using the force of the government gun.
sniveling weasel
BUAWHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Yeah, that describes Palmer nicely.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 06 19 at 05:53 PM • permalinkFrom the first link to the ABC notice board, funkyj:
First of all, most of them are anonymous. Second of all, most of them are written to inflame hatred.
Yes, most of “them” are anonymous, however I doubt that what “they” write is “written to inflame hatred”, it’s usually written to incite laughter among “their” fellows - a good laugh is excellent for the constitution. The only ones using this writing to inflame hatred are Media Watch.
Media Watch holds no particular view on the appropriateness or not of the laws [of vilification and discrimination] in question.
My bullshit meter exploded! Bastard!
ok let’s examine this in a little more detail.
1. They make a HUGE song and dance about vilification - dob in various web sites loosley cobbled together as “media” - get their pet govt anti-hater to review them and give an informal “legal” opinion on it (which by the way he shouldn’t do as he has prejudiced any potential prosecution - idiot) - use sarcastic voiceovers to demean the posters and conclude with a smart arse - haha you broke the law and we called you out on it.
2. They then say they don’t express a view on the law they made a HUGE song and dance about - emailing newsrooms left right and centre calling them out on it.
3. All because they are good blokes and don’t want our media folks to fall foul of said law.
4. And for balance, they don’t put up “Muslim Village” or any of those lefty sites which have media folks posting - but just little Tim’s site - you know - the one with an International following that they are so jealous of!
But wait - they don’t say if they support the law - just be careful of it - like it is some dangerous thing that they feel the need to warn people about - while mocking the shit out of them. What a handy little law they found.
SURE ...
Pull the other one Tonto, it plays jingle bells.
Hey Tim Palmer - please sue me. I think you are a liar. My only defence will be “fair comment”. See how your “lawyers” go with that one.
Media Watch obviously SUPPORT the anti-vilification law. Why is it wrong to say so? Is the law bad? Is it too far? Does it protect Imams when they encourage hate and suicide bombings?
#30—No, their statement’s entirely accurate. It’s impossible for an inanimate object, a concept, really, to hold an opinion.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 06 19 at 06:47 PM • permalinkHmm, me thinks Mr Palmer doth protest too much.
He, through Media Watch, wants to engage in ideological points scoring but does not have the guts or stamina to sustain a true debate on the matter because:
1. He’s arguing from a losing proposition.
Hate speech laws do not do what they’ve been sold to us as doing - you don’t make people like you by preventing them saying nasty things about you.
As another facile example (I really didn’t mean to insult Collingwood), Love Thy Neighbour is full of what would now be described as ‘hate speech’ but it hardly set back the course of race relations.
In fact it could be quite rightly argued that shows like that actually promoted harmony because it gave the audience a cultural point of reference on which to examine those things they had in common.
2. And if Palmer truly believes in his position, he’s been well and truly outed as a hypocrite by his past comments and his current censorship of the MW message board.
If you’re still reading Palmer dear, then know this - beware, lest your own ‘sins’ find you out. Every silly mistake which you have ever made and which exists on the Internet is there for us to find.
-- Nora
#2 Well said rbj1 - a brilliant observation.
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 07:00 PM • permalinkOT, but this is a ripper from the SMH.
Another SAS member, Lieutenant Corporal M, said the rescue was effective because, by chance, one of HMAS Kanimbla’s inflatable boats was in the water when the accident happened. He said the Kanimbla crew appeared poorly trained at putting rescue boats in the water.
Lieutenant Corporal?
So the SMH is making up ranks now is it?
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 06 19 at 07:01 PM • permalinkAs another facile example (I really didn’t mean to insult Collingwood), Love Thy Neighbour is full of what would now be described as ‘hate speech’ but it hardly set back the course of race relations.
Or “Blazing Saddles”. Chock full of what would be called hate speech today, but it was lampooning racists.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 06 19 at 07:10 PM • permalinkSo the SMH is making up ranks now is it?
Isn’t Lieutenant Corporal the rank they gave Radar on MASH to get him into an officer’s club?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 06 19 at 07:12 PM • permalinkHey Blair, hours of fun to be had
here.How come it’s not in your links? ‘Fraid of the competition, huh? Huh?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 06 19 at 07:12 PM • permalink#34
Exactly.Actually, today’s PC crowd would have a stroke with Love Thy Neighbour - the white guy was a Labour man - the black guy was a Tory.
ROFL
And it screened on the ABC.
ROFL x 2
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 07:19 PM • permalink#23 Muslims in the chipper -Dave Barry would say that’s a great name for a rock band.
BTW, there’s a famous Canadian muslim band. They specialize in music for the annual pilgrimage to Mecca.
Called the "Hajjically Trip"
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 06 19 at 07:28 PM • permalinkI see in the first paragraph of Palmer’s comments (that Tim references), he says “Laws on vilification and discrimination focus on particular groups of people because presumably that is where the community feels the specific need for protection lies. While many people would find it hard to live in a society where criticism of the Collingwood football team was anything but encouraged, your hypothesis somewhat trivialises the reasons such legal protections have evolved for groups genuinely threatened by hate speech and discrimination.”
Now there’s a key to the man, if ever there was one - arrogant and supercilious. But he begs the question with his assertions that “that is where the community feels the specific need for protection lies” and “the reasons such legal protections have evolved for groups genuinely threatened by hate speech and discrimination.”
No doubt it’s a convenient claim behind which he can hide but the reality of the implementation and imposition of ‘Laws on vilification and discrimination’ is that they are written by legislators and those legislators often have an agenda. The Victorian Racial and Religious Tolerance Act is a good example of an Act imposed on a community by a government with an agenda. And this was beautifully illustrated by May Helou from the Victorian Equal Opportunity Commission, also a member of the Islam Council of Victoria, assisting the complaint brought under the Act against Catch the Fire Ministries in 2002.
Presumably, Palmer would be in favour of this type of disgraceful attempt at stifling free speech.
But what would he say about the recent speech by Ayaan Hirsi Ali at the Sydney Writers Festival? It’s worth listening to it in its entirety. My guess is that Ayaan, speaking from her own experience would be breaking the Law as her comments about the Koran are no different from those found to have breached the Victorian Act. This Law is an Ass as is Palmer.
And an update on the Catch the Fire Case. Notice that Islamic Council spokesman Waleed Aly, of the comments have been taken out of context fame, is active and that supporters were not allowed to bring in their placard reading “Freedom of speech or religious tyranny?” Tragic.
#38
Palmer says 800,000 here. I noticed it yesterday but couldn’t get my hands immediately on a copy of a current ratings lists to verify.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 07:28 PM • permalinkMedia Watch-gate appears to have caused a surge in site visits.
This is as good a time as any to remind readers that when I think of integrity, I think of Philip Morris International and their wide range of quality products.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 06 19 at 07:31 PM • permalinkNothing changes from Stalin’s day with the left. Media Watch reveals yet again that the left stands for censorship, compulsion and control.
Australia has a national broadcaster that clearly sees its role as propagandist for a one party state run by the Labor party’s left wing. These ABC people aren’t the sad university Marxist-Leninists who believe in the whole workers’ paradise bullshit. These are people who have been around, seen the way totalitarianism works and liked it. They want to be in the inner circle where they have control over people’s lives and access to the trappings of power.
It is the great irony of communism that its naive adherents believe it is about the even distribution of wealth when history shows always that it enriches the party faithful at the expense of the masses. And that is its appeal to the elite of the Australian left. They don’t want everyone to be rich - just them.
And now we have a new means to achieve that - global warming.
They were simply presented to assess the potential legal position of those who published some of the comments shown on last night’s program.
At no such stage did Moaning Monica or the Media Wank team, address this issue, only highlighting blogg comments and how shameful they might appear if they take them out of context. Like they do with Radio. She failed to raise the issue that some of the Blair Bloggers are American or Canadian and live overseas and have the right for free speech.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.God Bless America! Down with The Alphabet tv station. (except the Chaser)
47) "Congress shall make no law...”
Tell that to John McCain and Russ Feingold!!!Posted by nofixedabode on 2007 06 19 at 08:03 PM • permalinkI think this is just dishonest on Media Watch’s behalf. I dont think I ever said that of McEvoy. The worst I said about him was that he was biassed and misleading. This is actually worse. The context is clear. To claim there was some suggestion of ways of killing and disposing of the bodies of Muslim taxi drivers is dishonest.
Palmer is accused of biased reporting against Israel
Palmer claimed that, in Ramallah, “All personal files, government land records, health records, education records, were destroyed by the Israelis”. The Israeli army says that while records were seized, those relating to civil matters were returned, but Palmer appears content merely to repeat the Palestinian claims as fact without mentioning the Israeli reponse, ABC TV “Lateline” (May 2).
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 08:23 PM • permalinkAs I’ve said elsewhere, these people will take Jonathon Swift’s Modest proposal seriously.
Not only does the left have no wit or wisdom but they are also ignorant wankers. (A British term meaning to “play with oneself").
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 06 19 at 08:25 PM • permalinkPalmer likes running to the press council too, if someone says something nasty.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 08:26 PM • permalinkMaybe we can enlist David Marr to pen an article for the SMH at how the ABC is “crushing dissent” and “eliminating free speech”.
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 06 19 at 08:27 PM • permalink#10: That thing on Padma’s thigh is a scar, the result of being badly burned as a child. If memory serves, she has other scars on her arms.
Yep, she’s a beauty, alright—so much of a beauty that Salman left his second wife, who was pregnant at the time, to get Kama Sutric with his new squeeze.
Don’t think that says anything too favourable about the new knight and his lady.
The Alphabet TV station appears to be acting more like a Cult . It cannot objectively monitor itself and its’ departments that are funded by us, the tax payer.
One only has to look at Telstra to understand this phenomena and that Telstraaaa is a cult or dictatorship when it comes to managing staff. This eliminates thinking and not thinking is good........
During a couple of glasses of wine, a fine steak and delicious brussel sprouts, I have put together this in-depth analysis of Palmer’s relationship to Swiftian humour.
her it is: ?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 06 19 at 08:47 PM • permalink#62 Racism at the ABC is an interesting topic. Black artists rarely get a look in on JJJ-compulsory pay radio, compared to commercial radio. Evidence?
Check out the artists on a JJJ Hot 100 CD and compare with the top 40 charts any week of the year.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 06 19 at 08:53 PM • permalink#53
Bush LawyersEpisode 1
Tim Blair gets tried in Tim Palmer’s Kangaroo Court ...Players:
El Cid
Grimmy
Howzat
KaeJust logged in - Goodness, what a furore. I think I’ll give myself a thorough turkey-slapping
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 06 19 at 08:57 PM • permalink#34 and #35 Mr. Crawford,
70’s trivia I suppose, and I’d be LOL’ing recalling Blazing Saddles if this stuff wasn’t so serious.
Anyway, loved that movie, chock full of racial insensitivity aimed at making fun of racial insensitivity and outright racism.
On M*A*S*H the question was one of trying out a new enlisted rating (rank). In order to get Radar into the O-club, Hawkeye and BJ pinned captain’s bars on him, while he was wearing his corporal stripes. This was explained to a pissed off patron as an experiment, in comparison to (I think) seargent major and lieutennant general. He was a “corporal captain.”
Yours,
O/T because talking about lefty enemy sympathizers and their attempts to force everyone to submit to the lefty idiot code of knee-jerk treason gets boring fast.
Awhile back I got all snitty about y’all foreign devils and real support for y’alls soldiers from the grass roots level.
Operation AC is a good read on what was meant by my snarky jibe at y’all that seem to be content to awaite your gov to handle such issues :)
So, Operation AC is not only supplying needed air conditioners to US troops but also to UK troops. This implies that y’all Ukers just cant get off your arses and put your money/effort where your mouths are.
And how about the ANZAC folk? Are your men and women getting real love from home while they’re away fighting for you?
OK Ash, that’s 4.
I watched. I felt cranky.
It really was taken out of context.
There was no right of reply for Tim.
There was no reporting of, as someone else said, the nasty stuff up in places like Muslim Village, etc.American commenters were given Aussie accents, bad ones.
It had to be a joke. Surely.
But no. It was serious.Hateful weblogs. I don’t think that Media Watch would know a hateful weblog if it jumped up and punched them on the face.
If you read all the comments on the taxi driver issue the comment was made “What’s the use...” of a taxi driver who won’t drive a taxi. The suggestion was that compost would be a good use.
Well, what’s compost made of? Scraps and dung. Most appropriate.
#40. About to head back to work, and haven’t read all the comments.
Have to say, though, regarding the crapola:"Laws on vilification and discrimination focus on particular groups of people because presumably that is where the community feels the specific need for protection lies" when I talk to people about the vilification laws, they start off muttering about how it’s good to put a curb on some of the more colourful language used.
Then I ask if they’ve read the legislation concerned, and of course they haven’t. A quick rundown of what it actually means (ie that pretty much anything you say, do or email can and will be used against you, and you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent) brings about the quickest reversal of opinion ever seen.
Enjoy the legislation that the likes of Palmer and Attard champion here.
It’s a corker.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 06 19 at 10:53 PM • permalinkThere is a particularly amusing (if pea-brained and howlingly racist) useful idiot over at the ‘Meejawatch’ site. The KGB would have loved this thing.
Rather than soil myself by commenting at such a site as Meejawatch, I thought some light amusement here was in order.
MrFreeSpeech
Date/Time 19 Jun 2007 4:21:46pm
Subject
Re: Racist comments should not be censored.
No William, your views are out of step with the larger Australian community.Comment: How amusing! A logical fallacy (appeal to authority) in the first sentence. This, of course, invalidates the entire comment immediately. it also begs the question of WHICH larger Australian community. From its facile maunderings, the pea-brained one belongs to the ill-educated side of the soy-latte sippers set, and has no contacts outside it. Never seen the real world, how sad.
They are best expressed most plangently through MINORITY parties such as One Nation (or other lunatic parties) and occasionally find favour in certain, less morally-grounded sections of the Liberal Party.
Comment: Note the improper use of the word ‘plangently’. This adjective derives from the latin plangere (to beat or to lament aloud) but has a nineteenth century application in that it is said of a sound, which is deep, ringing and mournful. So the use of this word is simply hilarious in this context, and indicates that the writer is ‘seeking to impress with big words’. This works among mouth-breathing semi-literates in the ABC or in schoolyards, of course, and tells us that the author is juvenile and immature in approach. This is then followed by a truly pitiful attempt at condescension and two more logical fallacies (an implied ad hominem and an extension of the argument), meaning we have three inherent invalidations within this woeful little screed.
How out of step your views are, William, will be manifest at the forthcoming Federal election.
Comment: This actually had me guffawing. By this logic, the brobdignagian and titanic intellect of this pathetic fool hold views ‘out of step’ with mainstream Australia since 1996 and does not even comprehend that is what it has said!
We, who don’t presently have a say on how Howard is wasting taxpayers money on his own pet projects (i.e. political advertising), have to presently lump it.
Comment: Which begs the question, of course: ‘Does this poor little fool not understand what the intent of proportional representation and compulsory voting is all about?’. The answer is given above, a resounding ‘no’. And so, this vile little troll is revealed as a fascist at worst, and an authoritarian at best.
Just like you have to lump the paltry sum allocated to the ABC, another cultural organisation you are hell bent on destroying.
Comment: Is not leftard projection amusing? This comment makes no sense as written (hey, it was written by a leftard, what do you expect?), for if the evil conservatives are ‘hell bent on destroying’ the ABC, erm.... isn’t the 11 years since 1996 time enough to have actually gotten on with the job? But this is easily understood as a projection of what this little pea-brained cretin thinks, and how it wishes to behave: again, this reveals both the fascist, and the closed mind of the racist.
Perhaps Howard should try advertising on the ABC once it is privatised - he may save he (and his country) some big dollars.
Comment: I’d privatise the ABC tomorrow, it serves no useful purpose (although islamic theofascists would disagree, it provides them with a vital propaganda service with which tyo attack my country). But here again we see the pitiful contradictions in the few lonely brain cells this risible moron possesses. ABC funding is both ‘paltry’ and ‘big dollars’. Howard is ‘hell bent’ on privatising the ABC, but has not done it in 11 years.
And these fascist, brainless, inchoate, racist semi-literate ideologues want to run my country? They are not fit to wipe my boots.
MarkL
canberraThe last of the vagrant sunbeams have vanished from the big room on the upper floor of the warehouse. The bankers’ lamps have been switched on, forming little pools of smoky light over the heavy wooden desks, where men continue to calm the jangling telephones, barking out odds around the live gaspers dangling from their lips. “Pally” Paglia takes a call.
“Ok, Mac, what’s your racket? Who? Tim Palmer? Never heard of ‘im. Oh, you mean Panderin’ Palmer, the Flyweight boxer? What?!? Palmer to knock out Bareknuckles Blair in the third round? Mac, Blair’s a heavyweight! Why don’t you just flush your spondulix down the turlet? Awright, awright!. Say, Tiny!”
A massive man - who didn’t so much climb into his 1946 Lincoln V-12 when he headed home, as slip it on like a smoking jacket - looked up from the sports section of the newspaper. “Yeah?”
“Gotta rube here who wants to lay down five yards on Palmer to - [covers the phone and whispers loudly] - to beat Blair in the third round on a TKO! Can you figure it?”
“Who’s the cornhusker?”
“Say, who is this? Adams? Tiny, it’s the Fat Man!”
Tiny smiled like a giant Gerber baby. “Give him 10:1”.
“But, Tiny! That’s five large if he wins!”
“Ten to one, Pally. It’s already the second round, and Blair ain’t even fair worked up a sweat. Besides, with all that comment muscle, it’s like a roll of dimes inside the glove. It’s in the bag, Pally. Take his geetus and send him home to mama with his pockets hangin’ out.”
Once again MW is running its old politically correct line. If you really to look for (in context) hateful comments try muslim village where you find comments like this:
“if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery.” If one of us said that Palmer would consider it a justification for murder.
WW2 era Bugs Bunny Cartoons “... portrayed Hitler as an incompetent fool and was very offensive to Nazis.” ... I dont think the Nazis feelings would have been hurt they were too busy with commiting genocide.
And on Hamas’ Mickey Mouse “Why cant Muslim kids be taught to arm themselves up with AK-47’s and strive for world domination under Islamic leadership? As Muslims, its our duty to aim for and aspire to a world that is administered by Islam.”
Now that is scary.
Link: http://forums.muslimvillage.net/index.php?showtopic=34433.
I dont expect the ABC to look at that site though as it doesnt meet their targeting policy - its not conservative.
#103
I can see 1.618 as the cigarette girl at the arena who has a heart of gold and an unrequited love for Tim.-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 19 at 11:49 PM • permalink#108
How’s this?
No taxation (to fund the ABC) without representation (of non-leftie viewpoints)
It’s catchy.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 20 at 12:10 AM • permalink#36
MM the beauty of the ABC complaint mechanism is that under their charter they must respond to each and every complaint so long as it doesn’t fall under the category of being frivolous.I’ve gone a bit cold on making complaints of late but in the past I’m sure I’ve driven a lady by the name of Denise Musto completely batty, she goes by the title of “A/Head, Audience & Consumer Affairs”.
I’m sure most people that make a complaint get their response back and leave things at that, I used to argue the toss back and forth if I wasn’t happy.
Tip: If you do get them on a point seek clarity immediately that the upheld complaint will be printed in the ABC Public Report(also an ABC Charter requirement). In other words don’t settle for any such fob-off such as “we note your concern”, that just means they no longer want to deal with you and your complaint will just disappear into the ether.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 06 20 at 12:16 AM • permalinkPalmer you are a disgrace. I watched my dad die of pancreatic cancer , at home not in hospital , doctors told him it would be quick when he was
diagnosed , it wasn`t. Held his hand when he went. Thing is it was probably due to shit he was working with back in the 50`s and 60`s in the bush , they just didn`t know back then . Just trying to make a quid . I doubt that this C**T has been through this or he would NEVER make that comment . BASTARD !!!!!!!!#38 Funny, I got three.
Me, Nilk and someone else
Not me, I was busy pulling out my own fingernails and setting my hair on fire.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 06 20 at 12:44 AM • permalink#58 Nora
Palmer likes running to the press council too, if someone says something nasty.
Palmer’s chickens never left the roost. The story behind this Press Council adjudication is so pathetic it hurts.
In a typical swirl of ABC style moral turpitude Palmer thought it would be a good idea to run a story featuring interviews with the father of murdered Melbourne girl Malki Roth AND the father of the girl’s self-detonated murderer. “Balance”, you see. Very important for the national broadcaster.
When Arnold Roth belatedly discovered the angle Palmer had in mind naturally he angrily withdrew and the story was canned. Piers Akerman got wind of all this from the father and rightly gave the ABC and Palmer a royal thrashing in The Daily Telegraph. Too gentle in my book.
Palmer and ABC’s MD, Balding, whined like the ABC staff canteen on election night. Off to the Press Council they trotted. They knew the way.
The Council ruled in favour of Palmer. Why? Certainly not because Palmer is not a smug and morally prejudiced hypocrite with problems about the concept of objective truth. No.
It was because Akerman did not contact Palmer before he wrote his opinion piece.
The Press Council believes that amid the arguments about the shades of meaning of the words “counterpoint”, “balance” and “symmetry”, it remains clear that Piers Akerman did not contact Mr Palmer, and indeed he could not have known how the story would have been handled. He had Mr Roth’s side of the story, plus the extensive correspondence between the two.
Sound familar? Can you believe it? Fancy another trip to the Press Council Mr Palmer?
The Malki Foundation is here.
#118 Interestinger and interestinger. Nice summation, Geoff.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 06 20 at 01:01 AM • permalink#120
Here are the TV ratings (national figures)for last week:
84/100FOUR CORNERSABC796,000
85/100MEDIA WATCHABC794,000-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 20 at 01:34 AM • permalink#124
Tks, Nora, wonder what the market % is?ABC chief hints at Media Watch review:
Along the lines of Insiders: “a great example” as it “really does allow that range and plurality of views to be heard … and it doesn’t suggest in its style that there is one view that is right."
Long overdue.
O/T
Did anyone else think about the storm warnings given for last night for the coast of NSW - the low pressure system was off the coast and computer modelling showed it could hit the coast with huge cyclonic winds etc
It wasn’t as bad as predicted
So my thoughts - here was a real weather system in real time, and the weather forecasters missed the mark (thankfully)
So why should we believe computer modelling for the dreaded GW end of the world scenario being forcefed to us by GW preachers?
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 06 20 at 02:09 AM • permalink#125
I’m not sure. Nor am I good at maths but the market share formula goes like this - a rating of 20 refers to 20% of households which equates to 12% of the population.-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 20 at 02:11 AM • permalink#124,125 In comparison, the audience figures for the commercial stations in the 8:30-9:30pm timeslot were:
Channel 9 1 vs 100 1,391,000
Channel 7 Desperate Housewives 1,318,000
Channel 10 Supernatural 823,000So, of the 4,326,000 Australians watching free-to-air television at that time on Monday, 18.35% were watching crap.
The truly wonderful thing about the “anti vilification laws” is that truth is NOT A DEFENCE... which is why these laws were needed, you see, in the case of defamation, truth is a defence. However, under anti-vilification laws it is not permissible to quote, even in context, a passage of the Koran that could be interpreted as “inciting serious contempt”.
The fact is, here, that Christians might get of rather lightly. Any carefully Christian discussion of Islam is going to repeatedly emphasise loving Muslims even when discussing contemptible acts by Muslim organisations or passages from the Koran our culture would consider distasteful.
The fact that this law might in practice afford freedoms to Christians that it does not afford to atheists or others does not make it any more attractive, merely adding to the overall effect of religious privilege.
My suggestion to all Christians is that they begin spamming the courts with vilification claims, discrimination claims, and all manner of litigiousness. Hopefully we can use the contempt these legislators feel for Christians to the benefit of all Australians; if we can lever these laws into protecting noisy and irritating Christians they will surely be overturned.
From the link egg_ gave at #125:
He (David Marr) said that News Ltd, publisher of national and state-based dailies including The Australian and the Herald Sun, had lobbied Media Watch “ceaselessly” for the right to put its denials to air.
Yeah, I’m sure if Fairfax ever got criticized, they’d just sit back and cop it sweet, rather than ask for a right of reply.
#133 You’re right Craigo - SBS doesn’t have anything in the top 100.
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2007 06 20 at 02:44 AM • permalink#130 craigo
Thanks for this info
I’ve given up watching news, current affairs, Media Watch etc as there is more than enough happening in my life to make me cranky - Why inflict more pain?
Now I get all my news from the internet - just reading through the threads here always gives me heaps of information, and I can have a good laugh as well
And after not watching any quiz shows and talent quests for years, I’m really enjoying 1v 100 and It Takes Two - nice shows with happy people - no bitchy, whining, seething with hate, lemon lipped presenters anywhere to be seen
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 06 20 at 02:46 AM • permalinkMy suggestion to all Christians is that they begin spamming the courts with vilification claims, discrimination claims, and all manner of litigiousness. Hopefully we can use the contempt these legislators feel for Christians to the benefit of all Australians; if we can lever these laws into protecting noisy and irritating Christians they will surely be overturned.
How ‘bout we start a class action on behalf of Anglo-Saxons vilified by a certain cleric.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Tim Blair for having the balls to allow us the space to have our say. Most of us have names to hide our identity, he takes all the flak aimed at us on the chin well done Tim. If any of those bias addicted wooly heads at media watch ever want to take you on I will send a cash donation to any fighting fund you want. Once again Tim, THANK-YOU.
This from MV (bottom of page):
Alhamdoulillah we were able to help the Media Watch researchers with this story. So there was a great benefit to collecting these quotes. Please keep them coming.
Posted by ahmedk, who should know, going by his details:
Group: Admin
Posts: 2,854
Joined: 30-Aug 01
From: Sydney, Australia
Member No.: 7So was Media Watch in contact with MV, even though they didn’t contact Tim, who was actually featured in the program? I’m not familiar with the nuances of the use of “alhamdulillah”, but ahmedk seems to be praising allah that MV was a help to Media Watch, rather than just expressing a hope that it was.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 02:59 AM • permalink#140 If they go at Tim in Brackistan, any cash donation would be pointless.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 03:09 AM • permalink#144 Yes, but I was wondering if it’s sometimes used in a similar way to the phrase “pray God”, as in “pray God 1.618 gets her man”.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 03:17 AM • permalinkThreatening authors of inconvenient opinions with legal consequences seems to be a growing trend amongst the erstwhile small ‘l’ liberal Left.
Of course we all remember the suggestion of Nuremberg style trials for AGW deniers.
Recently Dr. Jocelynne A. Scutt, Barrister and Human Rights Lawyer was suggesting Archbishop Pell could be prosecuted under the Independent Commission Against Corruption Act (NSW) for daring to advise Catholic parliamentarians to vote against the embryonic stem cell legislation (the pros and cons of the legislation in this context is irrelevant).
The Left have lost their way.#141
From the MV link, posters talk about sueing the Tele:JJJ May 11 2007, 02:44 PM Post #74
QUOTE(al-CIA-da @ May 11 2007, 02:42 PM)
i think we should start adding the links to the pages along with the comments as evidence… and once we’ve got enough of them we should sue the DT.i think we have enough with links already.
how much more do u suggest we need to sue?.
Palmer broadened the MW net to include the Blairites?#141 Muzzie Zapper
Oh dear - I’ve just looked at your link to MV and I’ve joined Grimmy, Dminor and Wimpy Canadian by being quoted saying naughty things
But hey our comments were was Taken Out of Context, Fatma luvvie!
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2007 06 20 at 04:20 AM • permalink#150
From the MV link:fatma Jan 20 2007, 12:23 PM Post #8
Thursday, January 18, 2007
Tim Blair’s friends promote love and tenderness ...
If you thought Sheik Feiz Mohamed’s rants inspired love and affection, have a look at moderated comments the Daily Telegraph’s Opinion Editor allows onto his blog*.I’ve allowed some real idiotic anonymous fools to comment on here. But then, I’m not employed as a senior editor of a major newspaper.**
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*Mon’s words on MW are almost verbatim of this comment.
**Could this be used in the Blairites’ defence?Have sent this off to HEROC, it will be fun if they repond in any way.
“Dear sir/madam,
I wish to bring to your attention a section on the ABC mediawatch programme on the 18th of June that contained a widely reported complaint by the current head of HROC that he had been refused service by taxis on many occasions because the drivers refused to allow guide dogs in the vehicle.
Mediawatch has reported it in sneer quotes as
“He allowed this vicious discussion about Muslim taxi drivers supposedly knocking back passengers with guide dogs.”Is the truth of the head of HEROC in any question. Does HEROC receive many complaints of this sort, and are you collecting info on drivers who regularly discriminate on the grounds of disability?
I don’t have an axe to grind in this dispute between blogger and mediawatch, but it strikes me as irresponsible of mediawatch to downplay acts of discrimination so widespread the head of Australia’s peak anti-discrimination body is affected by them.
Thank you, R. T*****”
Should be fun if they answer.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 06 20 at 04:52 AM • permalinkY’all in Oz land are closer to endgame that you may realize.
You have evidence of members of and direct supporters of the islamist jihadi movement in a coordinated effort with traitors with open media access beginning to mount a domestic offensive to quash all resistance, both intellectual and actual, against islamic dominance in OZ and the complete eradication of your culture and possibly your persons.
Snowballs such as these grow quickly if not met with hard fire in the earliest phase.
They way such cancer grows, it’s not inconcievable that we’ll see it become illegal (in just another few years) to the point of imprisionment for anyone to speak against, advocate resistance to or in any way not submit to the will of islamists.
#58 #118
Some more background on the standards of Tim Palmer and the ABC from the father of murdered girl Malki Roth.
"In August 2001, the then-head of the ABC’s Middle East bureau, Tim Palmer, emailed me. This was a few days after Malki’s murder. He asked me to join him for a press interview in Jerusalem. I immediately agreed. For reasons described below, that interview never took place. In fact Palmer and I did not meet then and, despite efforts on my part, we never met subsequently or ever.”
...
"ABC journalist Tim Palmer, who sought to bracket me with the father of my child’s murderer, has emailed me several times in the past two years, most recently on the day Akerman’s first column appeared. I have been puzzled and very bothered by some of the things he wrote and did. I am preparing a letter and a dossier for Russell Balding now. After that, I will consider publishing my correspondence with the ABC’s Palmer here."
“... the family of Malki’s murderer were awarded a cash prize of US$20,000 for his great deed.”
#154 MV = Mendacious ‘Victims’.
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 07:32 AM • permalinkhere’s one for Media Botch:
last nights lateline business has Coonan chatting about broadband.
Repetedly, the interviewer made a goose of herself and talked MegaBytes/s rather than MegaBits/s. Coonan had it correct, as did the Optus boffin (no surprise). Interviewer never got it right.
Surprisingly, the transcript of the show has Coonan as the goose; talking MegaBytes, and the interviewer never slips up.
Comparison with the video footage is very instructive.
over to you, denisons of media correctness.
#164 Mega-dyke versus Godzilla?
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 08:26 AM • permalinkDuncanm - write to the idiots then and complain and quote from the transcript -
ALI (Alan Turing) MOORE: You say “wouldn’t have anything”, still is it fair that if I live in a city I can expect speeds of up to 50 megabits a second when the new fibre network is rolled out. If I live in the country, the best I can hope for is 12 megabytes and it will be possible it will be less?
Then perhaps link to a calculator which tells us 12 megabytes = 96 kilobits. ie country folks will have twice the broadband capacity of city folks. Mind you, you’re probably wasting your time. ABC reporters are gurus on every subject known to man.
Yes, yes, I know, and to women as well.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 06 20 at 08:37 AM • permalink#141 Nice catch.
Well yes the entire topic on that forum bears reading - the Daily Terror gets a work out, there’s a reference to Mossie Mundine (do I check if it’s the same item referenced by Media Watch?) along with threats to sue and what not.
And here we have Ahmed (who also thinks Islam is a race) a little earlier:
Please provide web links and the date as references to any comments you are posting.
For those who thought collecting these racist comments wasn’t going to achieve anything, watch Media Watch (ABC TV 9:15p.m est) next Monday icon_wink.gif.
Salaam
AhmedI have updated my post about this at my blog. My conclusion?
So it seems I was right. This was really just some Muslim propaganda.
Media Watch did not do any research on this story, it was just being a tool for a bunch of Muslims who can’t tell the difference between race and religion (or rather they can, but they just can’t cope with any criticism and want everyone to be subject to their imperialist and racist views - and then other Muslims wonder why they get a bad rap).
And it seems Media Watch’s Tim Palmer, was happy to oblige and tried to throw in a go at Tim Blair, only to be caught out making a prick of himself by quoting American commenters (and giving them real ‘strine accents)
The word dickheads springs to mind.
#167
If I live in the country, the best I can hope for is 12 megabytes and it will be possible it will be less?
Why the whinging about 12 megabits? That’s equivalent to 1.5 megabytes, which is ample for even bandwidth-heavy uses like streaming video. I have a 100 megabit connection, and I have never exceeded 2 megabytes per second, and rarely get anywhere near 1.5 megabytes per second. Anyway, just how quickly do these country folk need to download pirated movies?
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 06 20 at 08:45 AM • permalink#166 Howzat - I hear what you say, but wary as I am to correspond with someone who is under constant MW surveillance, I just slip this in about Mr Palmer and his five strapping sons
And with that, I quietly slip underneath the ABC censorial radar horizon
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 06 20 at 08:47 AM • permalinkMystery cancer cluster at ABC studio prompts nationwide testing
Palmer seems to suffer from foot in mouth.
IIRC the only cause they could come up with was shiftwork.
Cancer clusters in the ABC ... the sky is falling!
#171 - Breaking news - A senior ABC executive when questioned today about mystery cancer clusters at ABC studios stated, “who cares, I’ve watched people die of prostate cancer. It’s tedious”
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2007 06 20 at 09:08 AM • permalink#139 The ratings figures for each day are posted on the Media Spy forum.
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Interesting bit from a press release for the 2006 Public Right to Know Conference in Australia ( link): “The ABC’s Tim Palmer, who won last year’s Gold Walkley, and Dateline’s Executive Producer, Mike Carey, will open the 2006 Public Right to Know conference with a discussion on ‘Press Freedom versus Cultural Sensitivity’”.
Hunh. Wonder how that came out.