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Webdiary’s Hamish Alcorn abandons Webdiary:

I’ve been painted reflexively as “gone to the other side” because I dare to break solidarity with the peaceniks in my analysis. I do give up. Webdiary can fuck off. My despair is complete. The bottle, death, I don’t give a fuck. Islamofascism is a real political threat to the World, the Neocons have no answers except war and stupid bluster, and the Left are as blinded by their own propaganda as they were in the 50s. Nuance is dead. Independent thought is dead. My spirit is dead. I have no place here.

This followed an earlier moment of clarity:

At the moment I see people supporting their enemies - literally at times the very forces who would liquidate those with our values.

Well said.

(Via Leigh Cartwright)

Posted by Tim B. on 08/30/2006 at 09:06 AM
  1. ...the Neocons have no answers except war...

    Give us another alternative.  Eh, but these jokers don’t understand: war isn’t about good and bad choices, it’s about bad and worse.

    Always take bad over worse.

    Posted by 91B30 on 2006 08 30 at 09:15 AM • permalink

  2. We have got plenty of stuff going in addition to defensive military action. Ever heard of the program of freedom, the rule of law and all those good things that make the western democracies the most admirable societies that ever existed? Sure, we have got leftwing moonbats and authoritarian conservatives, but get on with it....

    Posted by Rafe on 2006 08 30 at 09:20 AM • permalink

  3. Neocons have no answers except war and stupid bluster, and the Left are as blinded by their own propaganda as they were in the 50s.

    It’s that attitude on the Left that many of us in the US have been complaining about for a long time.  Perhaps the “neo-cons” don’t have all the answers, but when the other side doesn’t even understand the question it’s hard to take anything they say seriously.  If the Left were actually to propose real solutions to real problems the whole world might be better off.  The give and take between the sides might lead to the synthesis of even better answers.  But when the other side doesn’t even know there’s a problem what does that leave?

    Posted by kcom on 2006 08 30 at 09:21 AM • permalink

  4. Well said Hamish...except for one point:

    Neocons have no answers except war

    And what is Hamish’s suggestion?

    and stupid bluster

    Like what?

    Posted by murph on 2006 08 30 at 09:37 AM • permalink

  5. Here’s a contribution from Solomon on Hamish’s “I quit” thread:

    "I’d write you a poem, Hamish, but Tim Blair would make fun of me."
    Posted by kcom on 2006 08 30 at 09:50 AM • permalink

  6. The problem with Iraq is that we tried to neutralise the threat (and did this quite effectively) AND give them something better…

    What we didn’t understand, and most sensible people probably wouldn’t, is that these clowns didn’t want something better (like peace, freedom, progress, construction, etc).  Instead they just wanted to drag the whole edifice down on top of themselves in the process of settling old scores, and creating new ones…

    Perhaps in the future we should spend our military’s lives, and our nations treasure, just neutralising the threat, and what’s left of our opponents can just go to hell… They raise their heads and cause anymore trouble, they’ll get it 10 times harder next time!!!

    If that is the only language some groups and nations understand, so be it....

    Posted by casanova on 2006 08 30 at 09:54 AM • permalink

  7. And here’s one person’s “practical” proposals for dealing with Iran:

    1. Listen to the Iranians - the people, especially the young people, not the hardline rulers.

    2. Provide a platform for women to play their part in creating the solutions, especially the educated, conscious women who are agitating for their rights within Iran.

    3. Try respect, even in the face of the most mad utterances from Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and others, in order to create room for more perceptive communication between the people of Iran and people like us.

    4. Move the moral goalposts, or in other words start improving our moral position by showing some political maturity and moving further down the non-proliferation/disarmament path ourselves.

    What do ‘Diarists think of these proposals? Are there other, better possible means to deal with the issue?

    I find it hard to even call them proposals.  They’re more like daydreams and fantasies.  How does he propose that they’ll work and/or make any difference?

    1.  What power do they have exactly?

    2.  How will you provide them that power in a country like Iran?  That wouldn’t be interfering in another country’s sovereignty, would it?

    3.  Yeah, let’s just try it.  Whatever that means.

    4.  Chamberlain tried a variation of that approach.  And others advocated it against the Soviet Union.  It didn’t really work out in either case.  I don’t think human nature has changed too much over the last 70 years.

    Posted by kcom on 2006 08 30 at 10:00 AM • permalink

  8. Its kind of funny to imagine a collective like webdairy tying themselves in knots defending the regime that does the following.
    A: Executes raped or “loose” women.
    B: Kills gays.
    C: Carries out capital punishment.
    D: Regularly threatens to wipe out another race.
    E: Tortures and imprisons arbitrarily.
    F: Seeks nuclear weapons.
    G: Manipulates oil supply to create price spikes. (like those eeevill corporations are supposed to)
    H: Actively funds terrorist organizations around the globe.
    I: Is a mysoginistic theocracy.

    Anyone want to help me out with a few more?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 08 30 at 10:02 AM • permalink

  9. casanova

    I think that’s the way that the US is heading.  The world is yet to see an angry USA.

    Posted by murph on 2006 08 30 at 10:04 AM • permalink

  10. What we didn’t understand, and most sensible people probably wouldn’t. . .

    Amen, and we shoulda researched better. 

    And Hamish is a sooky lala.

    Posted by slammer on 2006 08 30 at 10:06 AM • permalink

  11. So Hamish breaks ranks with the “peaceniks”, he admits that “Islamofascism is a real political threat to the World”, yet opposes the Neocon answer of counterattack.

    Give us your solution Hamish - don’t waffle about ‘nuance’ and ‘independant thought’, be specific, how will you stop the Islamofascists killing us and what would you do to free those already in their clutches?

    Either lay out your plan or join those who already have one.

    Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 08 30 at 10:08 AM • permalink

  12. 1. Listen to the Iranians - the people, especially the young people, not the hardline rulers.

    2. Provide a platform for women to play their part in creating the solutions, especially the educated, conscious women who are agitating for their rights within Iran.

    3. Try respect, even in the face of the most mad utterances from Mahmoud Ahmedinejad and others, in order to create room for more perceptive communication between the people of Iran and people like us.

    4. Move the moral goalposts, or in other words start improving our moral position by showing some political maturity and moving further down the non-proliferation/disarmament path ourselves.

    5. After three weeks of this, say “well, we tried” and bomb all their nuclear facilities and army bases into so much confetti.

    Posted by Pixy Misa on 2006 08 30 at 10:09 AM • permalink

  13. 91B30

    Give us another alternative.  Eh, but these jokers don’t understand: war isn’t about good and bad choices, it’s about bad and worse.
    Always take bad over worse.

    Exactly!

    AND this…

    Islamofascism is a real political threat to the World

    Political threat?

    Hmmmm, somehow, I guess I have this thing all wrong. Silly me.

    I’ve mistaken....hacking off heads, blowing up trains, planes and automobiles, knocking buildings down with before mentioned planes and automobiles, the stoning and killing women for crimes against a book, with NO value, stating that world domination by force, killing or subjugating ALL infidels based on that book with NO value, by any means possible, is our goal....as acts hostile intent AND acts of war.

    I stand corrected...politics, it is.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 08 30 at 10:17 AM • permalink

  14. Provide a platform for women to play their part in creating the solutions

    I’m sure the Mullahs will be more than pleased to provide a platform for free thinking women.

    Posted by murph on 2006 08 30 at 10:19 AM • permalink

  15. it’s the treacher plan again!

    Good idea! First we’ll coax Saddam out of his bunker with a trail of delicious candy. Then, once his belly is full and he’s all sleepy and happy, we’ll calmly explain that we don’t approve of what he’s been doing and it’s not very nice and we wish he’d stop. And he’ll be like, “Whoa, I never thought of it that way. You guys are my friends! I like you!” And then everybody will hug and cry, and then get a little embarrassed about crying, and then make some jokes to cover up being embarrassed. And then a beautiful rainbow will appear, and a shy unicorn will walk down it, and Saddam will ride the unicorn to the North Pole, and he’ll spend the rest of his life helping Santa make wonderful toys for all the good little girls and boys, and there’ll be hot chocolate, and, and, and, and nobody will ever ever die again for any reason ever. THE END

    “Saddam Hussein is a brutal dictator, and I hope he’s removed as soon as possible. But nonviolently."

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 08 30 at 10:20 AM • permalink

  16. Don’t you love suggestion 4?  Typical.  Translation: one must be morally pure in order to justify one’s very existence.

    Posted by murph on 2006 08 30 at 10:32 AM • permalink

  17. #7. I don’t disarming ourselves is going to help our “moral position”. Enable our defeat, maybe.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 30 at 10:33 AM • permalink

  18. These people remind me of Irish monks who would hold up a crucifix to “defend” themselves against a battleaxe wielding Viking beserker.

    Posted by murph on 2006 08 30 at 10:36 AM • permalink

  19. o/t ABC stages Jihad Jack Thomas’s Better Homes and Gardens…
    Starring Jack in western clothes,kids in western clothes in the backyard,baby on his knee -making vegemite sandwiches for the little tackers.
    says “PEOPLE LIKE ME AND DAVID HICKS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY..”
    Lee Sales managed to drag him out for one minute forty secs.
    Who says the ABC don’t do drama anymore.

    Posted by crash on 2006 08 30 at 10:39 AM • permalink

  20. Certainly can’t fault Alcorn for wishing some of the WD correspondents damned and gone.  That Phil seems an oleaginous uber-creep.  One can imagine the whispy beard and the absolute self righteousness and the skanky footwear.  Far more satisfying to simply push his face through the table.  But that wouldn’t be right.

    In the long term.

    Posted by Olrence on 2006 08 30 at 10:41 AM • permalink

  21. MAW - Hamish done got hit with the CLUEBAT!

    ___________________________________

    Not quite hard enough, but it’s a start. Welcome to the real world hamish. You are on double secret probation.

    Posted by der FRED on 2006 08 30 at 10:42 AM • permalink

  22. "But when the other side doesn’t even know there’s a problem what does that leave?"
    ...The nullification of an individual’s ability to command capital.

    Not only do these misguided fools not know that there’s a problem, the spiritually neutered doyens of the left openly and actively work in parallel with Islam’s fascist elements who’ve openly stated their goals to be the incremental prostration and ultimate ascendency over the secularized Judeo-Christian West whose institutions have evolved to allow us the luxury, as well as the liberty, to pursue an individual happiness of our own choosing. Apparently in their collectivist worldview, if it takes the multi-cultish conflation of the daily evils of real theocratic totalitarian fascists with the relatively tamed [civilized] instincts of Western self preservationists to achieve their egalitarian malaise, then so be it...Lalalalalala! The beat goes on.

    Why the de facto pact between two supposedly diametrically opposed faiths?

    In the ‘modern’ left’s perverted zero-sum world, there is no greater evil than “Joe Six-pack” and his/our personal mastery over the fruits of his/our own labor.

    Posted by monkeyfan on 2006 08 30 at 10:44 AM • permalink

  23. Notice in the interests of racial harmony ABC dragged out more Abu Graibe pics-helpful hint-I wouldn’t show that particular one when David Marr or Molly were walking past.
    and Red Kezza thrust Kevin under our noses again tonight...Rudd Rage.
    Ya just don’t get it do ya Kez?

    Posted by crash on 2006 08 30 at 10:45 AM • permalink

  24. #19. “PEOPLE LIKE ME AND DAVID HICKS WOULD BE THE FIRST TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY..”

    Yeah, sure they would. 

    Such a claim marks one as a pissant.

    I’ve heard the same from all sorts of duckers-and-weavers and do-nothing hand-wringers.  Contemptible.

    Posted by Olrence on 2006 08 30 at 10:47 AM • permalink

  25. Makes ya wonder what country this freak considers his own????

    Because I just can’t reconcile the image of these two mussie nutters being the first to leap to “our” defence???  the life of a non-mussie is worth less than a mussie…

    Along with a whole lot of other stuff about beating wives and stoning and cutting hands off etc, etc…

    If you don’t mind Jack and Dave, I’ll just rely on someone else to watch my back thanks....

    Posted by casanova on 2006 08 30 at 11:05 AM • permalink

  26. Can somebody post “We are the Rove, You will be assimilated” at wedbiary?

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 08 30 at 11:09 AM • permalink

  27. Hamish is crushed by reality in a way that many people are who finally stumble through the doors of a church, looking for Truth. You won’t find the mening of life in money or fame or debauchery, and you won’t find the truth about Islam in the happy platitudes of the left. It’s not a religion of peace, the U.S. is not always to blame, and Israel is not a terrorist state.

    Be patient with him; it’ll be a long, slow climb filed with many shattered illusions.

    Posted by Merlin on 2006 08 30 at 11:10 AM • permalink

  28. To be fair with Hamish Alcorn…

    At the moment I see people supporting their enemies - literally at times the very forces who would liquidate those with our values.

    Is a point that has been made by, Mr. Downer, Mr. Blair (Tony), Mr. Bush, and here by Mr. Blair (his excellency, I believe) and well as if not all, a damn goodly number, of posters. You are absolutely correct in your assessment.

    You are coming out of being held hostage by people supporting their enemies, appeasers, those that will not face reality, and outright enemies from within, dedicated to the very forces who would liquidate those with our values, to win.

    You suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, you will become whole again. BUT, you did escape, good on ya’.

    By the way, I believe the use of the term Neocons is better served by applying the term(s) realists or pragmatists, for what is happening, whether one thinks it is being done in a proper and forceful enough manner, is the debate, but....it IS real and IS being handled in a matter-of-fact way.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 08 30 at 11:14 AM • permalink

  29. Please excuse my gross error, in not having Mr. John Howard in my earlier post. As Mr. Howard is for sure in many cases more of a realist/pragmatist, then some or all of the others.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 08 30 at 11:18 AM • permalink

  30. #27. Merlin, you sound like a Yoda of realpolitik.

    Posted by Olrence on 2006 08 30 at 11:28 AM • permalink

  31. Olrence

    A Yoda I am you say?
    Somewhat better looking than he am I.

    Buy my action figure you will.

    Posted by Merlin on 2006 08 30 at 11:54 AM • permalink

  32. #31. Heh!  Onya.

    Posted by Olrence on 2006 08 30 at 12:18 PM • permalink

  33. Listen to Iranians

    We have heard very little about what the Iranian people think and want in this controversy, especially younger people.

    I think, Ms. Elworthy, you haven’t been listening. I have been listening--at least to those Iranians who write and comment at blogs--and have concluded the following:

    Yes, many Iranians, especially younger people, want more individual liberty and a more progressive, democratic form of government. BUT, they seem to think that such can be attained by a lot of “wishin’ and hopin’ and thinkin’ and prayin’, plannin’ and dreamin’ each night”. They don’t want to risk a bloody revolution and they certainly don’t want regime change imposed a la Afghanistan and Iraq. They don’t want to see any kind of sanctions imposed. And they see no reason at all why Iran, even Imawackjob’s Iran, should not be a nuclear nation up to and including weaponry. They believe completely in Persian superiority and the idea of Iran’s rightful place as the Middle Eastern leader. While I sympathize with the Iranian’s longing for freedom and prosperity, I scoff at their notion that such can be attained without sacrifice or cost.

    Move the moral goalposts

    A way of finessing the situation would be for the British government to declare that, in the interests of achieving a nuclear-free world, it will forego the chance to rebuild its Trident nuclear deterrent. The US could, with no risk to national security, announce the disposal of its Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). This missile has been around since the 1980s but is about to be “re-engined” to keep it operational for another thirty years.

    I don’t know how old Ms. Elworthy is, but I can well imagine her as one of the peaceniks who during the Cold War advocated US unilateral disarmament in order to “set an example” for the rest of the world to follow. Elworthy ignores the first rule of confrontation: Know thy enemy. She ignores the reason why the Soviet Union could no longer maintain its “sphere of influence” around the globe and eventually collapsed altogether: “We simply could not outspend you”.

    Her other two points are too ridiculous given the nature of fundamental Islam and the realities on the ground in Iran to even address. Bloody fool.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 30 at 12:59 PM • permalink

  34. #9 -

    Iran

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 08 30 at 02:11 PM • permalink

  35. #33

    I don’t know how old Ms. Elworthy is.

    She’s fine, Kyda.  Thanks for asking.

    Posted by jlc on 2006 08 30 at 03:09 PM • permalink

  36. If they have *time* the young people and women in Iran who would like to live in a modern state will probably prevail, if for no other reason than they outlive the others.  Unfortunately for them the threat of a nuclear Iran is very real and the rest of the world may not be able to give them that time.

    As for the neocons “war and stupid bluster”... I’m still trying to figure out what it is about “good cop” role that people don’t understand.  Nothing about the war and bluster *prevents* other methods from being persued in paralell.  Except that “other methods” generally consist of “if we talk real nice and act real passive maybe they’ll like us better” which isn’t sane.

    I’m glad that some on the left are starting to realize that the threat is real.  Maybe it will start to snowball.  And while I think that the neocons have the right idea about solutions it bothers me that we’ve got this whole segment of our society whose mental and innovative resources are completely off-line when it comes to addressing the threat.

    Posted by Synova on 2006 08 30 at 03:09 PM • permalink

  37. #33 .. Sorry, Kyda for the frivolous response to a serious post, but I just couldn’t resist.

    Posted by jlc on 2006 08 30 at 03:13 PM • permalink

  38. "I’d write you a poem, Hamish, but Tim Blair would make fun of me.”

    Webdiary - The (comedy) gift that just keeps on giving!

    Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2006 08 30 at 04:51 PM • permalink

  39. The bolderer/webdiarist Hamish,
    Has decided the whole thing is lame-ish.
    Now filled with foreboding,
    His head is exploding;
    We blusterers partly to blame-ish?

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 08 30 at 05:04 PM • permalink

  40. It’s nice that this person had seen the light, but if his only response to reality is “oh god everything’s fucked nothing matters fuck me I’m going to drink myself to death despair despair despair” then he’s as useless as he ever was.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 30 at 05:07 PM • permalink

  41. Hamish is a good bloke. So is Solomon Wakeling. Sure there are just a few matters abroad that are bigger than them. Just like the rest of us.

    Give these guys a fair go. Besides a little despair never hurt anybody.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 08 30 at 05:54 PM • permalink

  42. This guy may have pulled his head out enough for a single gulp of air but the vacuum over his head will suck it back in and the suffocation will continue.

    A man capable of dealing with functional reality would never have got his head up that deep and for that long to begin with.

    Also, a reminder, when a lefty POS says Neocon, what he’s really saying is “filthy jew bastard” with the same inflections and intonations common to nazi devotees in the 1940s.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 08 30 at 05:57 PM • permalink

  43. The war against Iraq was a real blow against Islamofascism wasn’t it? You are a bunch of morons.

    Posted by Hamish Alcorn on 2006 08 30 at 06:10 PM • permalink

  44. #5 Proud of yourself now Mr Poetry Oppressor Blair?

    I was feeling sorry for you, but now think you may deserve whatever else it is that Bob Ellis decides is coming your way.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 30 at 06:13 PM • permalink

  45. Makes this comment on one of my posts:

    “More famous faked photos:

    http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2004/winter/images/iwo-jima.jpg

    http://ww-ii.org/images/pacific/non-combat/McArthur.jpg”

    All you non Mossad agents are invited to come and give Christine a moment of clarity here:

    http://dogfightatbankstown.typepad.com/blog/2006/08/christine_keele.html

    Posted by saint on 2006 08 30 at 06:17 PM • permalink

  46. Something tells me the unfolding UK airline bomb plot scared the bejebus out of a whole lot of UK-loving lefties who used to like to fly there.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 08 30 at 06:25 PM • permalink

  47. Well, I just waded through that entire WebDreary thread.

    [Pauses, waits for applause...gets <crickets> instead.  Bugger.]

    Isn’t it terrific?  If ever one may doubt the merits of being a card-carrying RWDB, reading WebDreary makes it all worthwhile.

    Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 08 30 at 06:50 PM • permalink

  48. #43. Hamish, one of the biggest problems with the war against islamofascism is that far too many people out there in the real world don’t understand that it is based on the quran.

    It’s taken a few years now for people to start figuring out that those living in Iraq, and Iran, and ‘Palestine’ have bought into the poor, oppressed majority of muslims being held to ransom by the extremist minority of religion hijackers.

    It’s not been helped by the collusion of academics and media commentators with those who would take away your freedom to complain about it all.

    Will it come to bloody in the streets? I believe it will. Even as a warmongering, bloodthirsty rightwingdeathbogan, it’s not a situation I relish. Far from it.

    I’d rather turn the clock back a couple of decades and raise my child in peace and blissful ignorance.

    However… that’s not going to happen.

    If it comes to nuking Tehran, so be it. If it comes to bombing the crap out of Gaza, then c’est la vie. These people voted in terrorists and support the right of a head of state to preach genocide, they deserve nothing from us.

    Not from me, not from you, not from our governments.

    We can talk about root causes until the cows come home, but that will not change the fact that they think that we should just roll over, and pay them money to oppress us.

    Not in my lifetime, sunshine. Not now, not ever.

    If you have solutions, let’s hear them.

    On a slightly more personal note, I hope you can continue on your path to enlightenment relatively painlessly. It’s a very hard lesson you are learning when it comes to lefties and islamofascists and their handholding.

    Apologies for the long rant.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 08 30 at 07:17 PM • permalink

  49. Hamish, you’re probably pissed off about being patronised somewhat in the above comments. Fair enough too. Anyway, anger beats the hell out of despair, doesn’t it?

    Posted by Smithovitch on 2006 08 30 at 07:40 PM • permalink

  50. Re No.43, Maybe we are morons Hamish - but what is YOUR plan? all we get from you so far is whining.

    Let us know how do you think Islamofascism can be defeated.

    Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 08 30 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  51. May have dropped this in the wrong thread…

    I ask again. What in the hell is going on?

    Bush Admin. approves Persia’s Mohammad Khatami coming to the U.S.

    OZ you get...SEVERAL hardcore Islamists have been invited to a taxpayer-funded Muslim leaders conference run by the Howard Government.

    The Australian

    Maybe Hamish Alcorn can ask the hardcore folks coming his way.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 08 30 at 07:59 PM • permalink

  52. I’m with Hamish here. Who else here has had a gutful of those whining Kurds?

    “They gassed my husband! They gassed my children!” blah, blah, blah de blah.

    Let Saddam go.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 30 at 08:25 PM • permalink

  53. Margos Maid

    “They gassed my husband! They gassed my children!” blah, blah, blah de blah.

    Let Saddam go.

    Ummm, You ever get a book together, I’m gonna’ be your U.S. business agent...lol.

    I see Big $$$$$$, Margos.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 08 30 at 08:31 PM • permalink

  54. #43

    The war against Iraq was a real blow against Islamofascism wasn’t it?

    For what it’s worth, I disagreed at the time with the decision to go to war against Saddam, but I disagreed for tactical reasons, not moral reasons. Morally, if the US thinks that there are nations out there intent on killing large numbers of Americans, then it is entitled to stop them. I should add that there were Neo-Cons (e.g., Francis Fukuyama) who similarly disagreed with the decision. Regardless, contrary to my fears the invasion was successful and that war is long gone. The current situation is not that war, but a new civil war, where foreign insurgents are killing Iraqis in large numbers. American troops are sometimes targets, but typically they are simply witnesses to innocent people being killed. Schools, churches, government offices: nobody is safe. This war, insurgents versus Iraqi civilians, America cannot stop. If america pulls out, carnage will ensue on a stupendous scale.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 08 30 at 09:51 PM • permalink

  55. I should also confess that part of the reason for my opposition was that my drift away from the left was not complete at the time of the Iraq war. It was axiomatic to anyone of the left that the war was part of a nefarious right-wing plot with a hidden agenda.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 08 30 at 10:25 PM • permalink

  56. I see from #43 that Hamish at least has the ‘oafish and infantile’ part down, even if he is still stuck in the quagmire of geopolitical ignorance that bogs down the left.  Ah well.  Baby steps, and all that.

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 08 30 at 10:44 PM • permalink

  57. I did have some sliced turkey (sandwich stuff).  Not as good as Mr. Bingley’s, but I’ll bet saltydogs’ was FANTASTIC!!!!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 30 at 11:49 PM • permalink

  58. Unlike Solomon Wakeling I’m unafraid of the scathing literary criticism that Tim Blair might offer up.

    Here you go Hamish not one but two poems!

    Hamish had passed his expiry,
    And through enlightenment got rather fiery,
    To keep his own sanity,
    He screamed a profanity,
    “You can all go get fucked at Webdiary”.

    Hamish’s brain was in a twister,
    Margo floundered and he couldn’t resist her,
    But he was hit with a cluebat,
    No longer a moonbat,
    Like his dog-ugly communist sister.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 08 30 at 11:59 PM • permalink

  59. #43
    Actually Hamish the Iraq Campaign plays an important role in the fight against the Islamist terrorists, and will play a bigger one if we don’t cut and run.  The terrorists arise from the dysfunctional Arab and Muslim political culture.  If that political culture is not reformed things will just get worse, and the Arab world will continue to stagnate.  By catalyzing change to halfway decent consensual government in Iraq we infect the region with the virus of liberty, a deadly threat to the Islamists and jihadis.

    We cannot win against the terrorists by standing on the defensive.  There is far too much to defend, and it’s too vulnerable.  Iraq lets us fight on ground of our own choosing in several ways.  Tactically we can pit skilled US soldiers and Marines against the terrorists, instead of unarmed airline stewardesses and passengers.  Geographically it allows us to fight in the Middle East, and not in New York or Los Angeles.  Strategically it allows us to seize the initiative, to force our enemies to react to our moves rather than we to his.  This is part of what I meant about not standing on the defensive. 

    Finally the Iraq Campaign allows us to fight on our ground ideologically.  The jihadis have a vision of a Worldwide Islamic Caliphate where the Muslims will swagger around lording it over the wretched dhimmis (that’s you and me Hamish).  It is to be ruled by a totalitarian form of Islam.  This is a flattering and attractive picture for Muslims, who believe they should rule the world because they’re Muslims dontcherknow.  Against this we must pit our own Big Idea, which is liberty and prosperity in the modern world.  This is also attractive to Muslims since they can see that the modern world works, while they have to take the Caliphate on faith.  Muslims have been casting around for something to revitalize their societies for a couple of hundred years now.  Pan-Islamism is just the latest false dream of doing so.  But if we don’t fight it, it will triumph.

    It will take time, and maybe we don’t have the time, but any other method I can see will be far more messy and far more bloody, especially for Muslims.  I figured changing Iraq will take ten years or more, then other countries must be influenced to change as well.  If you have better ideas Hamish let’s hear them, but don’t blather about “law enforcement”, “intelligence”, and “diplomacy”.  All that is going on at the same time as the Iraq Campaign, they are conplementary not exclusive strategies in an ongoing wolrd war.

    Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 08 31 at 12:07 AM • permalink

  60. #58 Beautiful.

    It takes real courage to be an artist Hank, and I would thank everyone to ignore any subsequent mocking from that philistine, Blair. Be true to yourself and you may yet experience the greatest love of all.

    For Hamish’s sake I shall now perform an interpretive dance, and though you may not all be able to see it, I hope that just a small amount of the feeling behind this may transfer through your monitors. Here goes…

    Thank you.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 31 at 12:25 AM • permalink

  61. #60 Margos Maid,

    Thank you so much. I will not be silenced!

    I closed my eyes and imagined your interpretive dance performance for Hamish and tears of joy rolled down my cheeks.
    It was touching and beautiful.

    MM you are the wind beneath my wings.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2006 08 31 at 12:31 AM • permalink

  62. Come on guys. Admit it. Fess up. Out of the closet now. You love words as much as they do.

    So what the hell? Nothing to be ashamed of. I’m not calling you a pair of pooftas because of it. Would never dream of it.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 08 31 at 01:13 AM • permalink

  63. yeah this blossoming romance is really doing something for me, I gotta say.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 08 31 at 01:48 AM • permalink

  64. Time to launch a takeover bid for Webdiary -wanna gain some points with the tax man.

    Posted by crash on 2006 08 31 at 08:12 AM • permalink

  65. Test.  Posts aren’t appearing.

    Posted by ekb87 on 2006 08 31 at 09:29 AM • permalink

  66. As an ex-webdiarist, I just wanted to say that I never thought Hamish was a bad bloke.

    I don’t need people to share my world-view (which is apparently conservative) in order for me to respect them on a personal level.  Just being sincere, a ‘straight shooter’, no duplicity, is generally enough.  (I’d actually apply that to Margo too who I still to this day think is very genuine and honest, if just hoplessly idealistic and naive!)

    But some of the characters on Webdiary were, even if this sounds a little old-fashioned, “not good people”.  There were some mendacious goons there who would literally claim that pigs could fly backwards if they thought it would advance their political cause.  (If you ever hear of a bloke called Damian Lataan...)

    And there were others who were just so obsessively biased that rational discourse was/is all but impossible.  If you read that WD thread where Hamish cracks the shits, you may have noticed some posts by a bloke called Phil Kendall.  (That’s if you’re able to decipher into english his bizarre style which seems to require more translation than Ahmanijad speeches.) This whackjob is the type of tosser who, when presented with an Al-Jazeera article that refutes his point, rebuts by suggesting that Al-Jazeera is a “psyop”!

    I mean, you can’t even have a rational conversation with a guy like that.  But Hamish is not a ‘guy like that’...

    Whatever his political leanings, Hamish does live in the real world, as opposed to some of the deranged moonbats about the place whose brains had clearly left for fantasy-land.

    I guess I’m just saying, go easy…

    Posted by ekb87 on 2006 08 31 at 09:29 AM • permalink

  67. And Solomon has always seemed to be quite a nice fellow too - if perhaps a bit serious and melancholic.  But he also has quite a wry, self-depracating sense of humour.

    When he said "I’d write you a poem, Hamish, but Tim Blair would make fun of me" - I suspect he knew exactly the kind of reaction it would provoke here, and probably had a chuckle to himself.

    Posted by ekb87 on 2006 08 31 at 09:35 AM • permalink

  68. ekb87… you’re an ex-webdiarist?! Wow, you win on the ex-lefty credentials. All I can claim is lots of protests, placards, rainbow scarves, tie-die shirts, and public transport.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 08 31 at 02:19 PM • permalink

  69. I was never even a member of the greens.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 08 31 at 02:19 PM • permalink

  70. Tactically we can pit skilled US soldiers and Marines against the terrorists, instead of unarmed airline stewardesses and passengers.

    That lucid statement’s a keeper for me.

    Margos Maid: beautiful dance moves, even though I only caught the last bit.

    Posted by Smithovitch on 2006 08 31 at 07:16 PM • permalink

  71. Daddy Dave, so is Geoff, Ck, and quite a number of past/present commenters on timblair.net.

    It’s worth remembering that when Webdiary was run on the SMH, Margo’s goal was to create a forum where people from different perspectives could talk (even though Margo herself is a lefty on many/most issues).

    She failed - and the site became (mostly) a left-wing circle-jerk. In fact, after she left, it became worst, and seems to be dominated now by extremists, conspiracy theorists and anti-semites.

    But she did try - and I think Hamish did too.

    When she went independent, she said publicly on radio interview that her greatest fear was that “she would lose her right-wing regulars” (or words to that effect).  She actually didn’t, but the site failed for many other reasons, not the least being a hopeless misconception of how the blogosphere actually work, and a desperate insistence that “this is not a blog”.

    Margo is a lefty, but I think her true passion is media issues.

    Posted by ekb87 on 2006 09 01 at 03:05 AM • permalink

  72. ekb87… you’re an ex-webdiarist?! Wow, you win on the ex-lefty credentials. All I can claim is lots of protests, placards, rainbow scarves, tie-die shirts, and public transport.

    Just to clarify, I was at webdiary - but as a conservative.

    But yes, like more than a few here (including TB himself I believe), my past has indeed included protests, placards, and an unnecessarily elevated level of concern for the fate of baby seals!

    Posted by ekb87 on 2006 09 01 at 03:10 AM • permalink

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