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The ABC’s Tony Eastley takes on Alexander Downer over the Foreign Minister’s rejection of the Red Cross ambulance hoax:
TONY EASTLEY: It may have been like some, much of the ordinance, it didn’t actually explode when it pierced the vehicle. So you still stand by what you said?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Yes, sure.
UPDATE. Zoe Brain—excellent name, that—explains the kinetic effect of an unexploded bomb delivery on Mr. Ambulance.
So now the MSM are defending their fabrications with the “dud rate”?
Well, at least they’re getting smarter about things military…
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 08 29 at 11:15 PM • permalinkIt is bad enough when these people abet perpetrating a hoax, but this guy trying to deny one after it has been exposed is reaching beyond anything acceptable.
There are many in the media who are going to put themselves out of a job, not because we no longer need reporters, but because they have shown that they are unable to recognize the truth even when it is explained to them in words of one syllable; such as, this is a hoax.
“it didn’t actually explode when it pierced the vehicle”
Makes me think of the girl who was ‘just a little bit pregnant’ for some reason.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 08 29 at 11:36 PM • permalinkSo where is this unexploded missile? Surely if that was true it would have featured in the photos’ to make the case even if it was only parts. Evidently not only did it not blow up it vapourised itself as well. The IDF sure have some fancy munitions don’t they.
I note Mr Lefty is trying to run the line something blew up above it and the force was only enough to remove the red dome. That being the case would that not mean then it was highly likely the ambo was NOT being targeted by the missile. ie the blast directed at the Ambo was so weak it only removed a plastic red dome doesn’t sound very direct to me. At minimum the compelling evidence the Ambo was targeted is now gone.
Sounds to me like there might be an important follow up story here… Is the Red Cross spokesman in cahoots with Hezbo?Posted by the nailgun on 2006 08 29 at 11:37 PM • permalinkHow long before we see the first published theory that this was a hoax planned by the Israelis (or perhaps the Americans) to make Hezbollah and/or Red Cross and/or MSM look bad? So as to discredit them?
I am not joking here. This thing is way beyond comedy. I am asking a serious question. I’ll give it ten days at most before someone like Fisk will be saying something like “Well who knows who was behind the ambulance missile hoax? Who stands to benefit from it? This is a murky world and there are sources telling me that it was Mossad who ...”
How can Tony’s missile pierce the roof and stop dead before hitting the floor. A three year old can figure that out.
These ABC dissemblers never fail to make themselves look stupid. In the face of overwhelming evidence, simply because they do not wish to believe it, there is always the feeble,“but…”
I’m still waitng for all those jealous MSM reporters to mine the blogs and present ONE article that gives the details to the public.
Then Eastley’s amazing naivety and/or bias would be widely evident.How about an explanation like; “It seems the ambulance man with the small nick on his face was actually wounded by an unexploded bomb, took it home as a mantle-piece souvenir, and was more concerned with the fate of his ambulance..”
By the way, has anyone seen the bloke whose leg was “sheered off” by the bomb in any later reports?
...much of the ordinance, it didn’t actually explode when it pierced the vehicle.
Maybe it was a Hezb’allah Bill of Rights Landmine that was the piece of “ordinance” that didn’t blow up the ambulance very much?
BTW, via LGF, behind the pair of pointed tits you’ll see what a vehicle destroyed by an indirect hit looks like:
http://tinyurl.com/gd5av
(With me assuming that the vehicle wasn’t directly targeted, but was destroyed by the blast[s] that destroyed the nearby building.)Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 30 at 12:06 AM • permalinkOh for *$?! sake, have any of these idiots actually looked at the photos. LOOK AT THE PHOTOS!!! YOU CAN SEE THE SCREW HOLES AND THE RING OF UNPAINTED METAL AROUND THE HOLE FROM WHEN THE LIGHT WAS THERE!!!
Question : What kind of missile lands on an ambulance roof, unscrews the light (discarding it in an undiscoverable location) then slips inside through the lights hole, severs a mans leg, cleans up the blood from the severed limb, doesn’t explode, then vanishes into thin air?
Honestly, it’s embarressing to see supposed professionals huffing and puffing in defense of such a obvious hoax.
Posted by Mr Trouble on 2006 08 30 at 12:15 AM • permalinkMy sources tell me we have witnessed the first pictures of the devious “Cabriolet Rocket”. Designed to inflict maximum sun exposure and over time sun spots upon the victim.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 08 30 at 12:32 AM • permalink#12 Lol
My sources tell me we have witnessed the first pictures of the devious “Cabriolet Rocket”. Designed to inflict maximum sun exposure and over time sun spots upon the victim.
Let me guess Infidel Tiger, the Cabriolet Rocket is a product of Gaia’s Global Warmening Weapons. Motto:- destroying the world one sun-damaged skin cell at a time.
;-)
—Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 08 30 at 12:50 AM • permalink#13 Next they’re coming for the window tint.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 08 30 at 12:59 AM • permalink#10 - spot on.
How it managed to go through the roof, which would require some force, and then fail to make even the slightest mark on the floor really gives the game away completely.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2006 08 30 at 01:02 AM • permalinkQuestion : What kind of missile lands on an ambulance roof, unscrews the light (discarding it in an undiscoverable location) then slips inside through the lights hole, severs a mans leg, cleans up the blood from the severed limb, doesn’t explode, then vanishes into thin air?
Answer: The Muslim Missile. It also has a built camera that ejects the memory chip before blowing up.
Seriously, we seldom see this degree of idiocy unless the lefties really screwed the pooch, and then they are in full denial mode, trying to rationalize their core beliefs and inner fantasies against the realities of the cold, hard world.
They succeed only by diving deeper into Barking Moonbat Mode.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 30 at 01:21 AM • permalink15. Is that like.. First they came for the ambulances, but I wasn’t an ambulance….?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 08 30 at 01:22 AM • permalinkIt is also interesting how they just cannot believe Hez could produce fakes. Its unconscionable!!! The good news is this denial is keeping it in the news seeping out into MSM with Eastley’s little effort
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 08 30 at 01:31 AM • permalinkEastley is a smart operator. What you have here is him implying to his lefty audience, “see, there is another possible explanation, and it is only a government politician who says it’s a hoax”. He ends the interview at that point. Listeners who haven’t looked at the evidence can then go away thinking that at best it is unproven either way.
Was particularly irritated with Eastley throwing in his comment at the end of the interview. Have emailed him asking for his sources for his explanation for the event.
That fellow Kassem Shaulan, ambulance driver without stitches in his chin, also reported that at Qana he knew there were no hezbollah because he saw none, or any evidence of them. Another red cross worker Mohammad Zatar was a red Cross osurce for the fake death toll at Qana.
The Red Cross has some serious reflecting to do. They will receive not a brass razoo from me in the future. And have threatened my husband that he will be locked out of the house if he agrees to collect for them again.
Question : What kind of missile lands on an ambulance roof, unscrews the light (discarding it in an undiscoverable location) then slips inside through the lights hole, severs a mans leg, cleans up the blood from the severed limb, doesn’t explode, then vanishes into thin air?
Don’t forget according to ‘reliable Lebanese witnesses’ there was “a wall of fire” to accompany the explosion…
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 08 30 at 02:57 AM • permalinkOK, let’s look at the energy from a “dud” Hellfire missile.
From the Federation of American Scientists Data, launch weight is 100-108 lb. But some of the weight is rocket fuel that has been burnt off, so call it 40kg, about 88lb.
The maximum speed is given as 950 mph. But lets say it’s a little less, call it 400 rather than >450 metres/second.
That gives a kinetic energy of 3.2 Megajoules.
A Kilo of TNT releases 4.2 Megajoules, so call it 1.8 lbs of TNT equivalent.
A 1 ton car hitting the ambulance at 100 km/h would release only 0.392 MegaJoules.
The energy released is the same as if a 1-ton boulder had hit at 80 metres/second, a velocity it would reach if it had been dropped from a height of 320 metres.
Call it a 1 ton boulder dropped from 1000 ft.
To find this out would take a few minutes of research, and some basic high school physics. There’s even a handy kinetic energy calculator on the web, and conversion factors and such can be found on Wikipedia.
It’s not the mythical evaporating jewish missile that was a dud, it’s mainstream media, and the “journalists” at the ABC.
Apart from the lack of explosion and the screw holes around the light, there’s rust all over the bullet holes for god’s sake. Unless it was a hydrogen peroxide payload, this seems to stretch plausibility just a bit!
Posted by russell2pi on 2006 08 30 at 03:03 AM • permalinkIf you would like to see the visual lies concocted by the Palestinians click on Pallywood it is an eye opener. http://www.seconddraft.org/movies.php
#10
Question : What kind of missile lands on an ambulance roof, unscrews the light (discarding it in an undiscoverable location) then slips inside through the lights hole, severs a mans leg, cleans up the blood from the severed limb, doesn’t explode, then vanishes into thin air?
Obviously you never watched the Road Runner.
If the missile didn’t explode, then where is it?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 30 at 04:21 AM • permalink#28 Oh my God It’s the Blonde bomb!!!
Posted by Just Another Bloody Lawyer on 2006 08 30 at 05:00 AM • permalink#33 further to my post, the most disturbing aspect of the revelation of the fact that the joos have the super secret invisible missile technology, is that the evil neocon bushitler administration has given carte blanche access to secrets the USA obtained form the Roswell saucer and has been testing at Area 51. Divulging state secrets to the zionists is treason!
Some of these comments are outstanding. Either illuminating (e.g., Zoe’s) or funny as hell (virtually everyone elses’). This reminds me of the Dan Rather fake TAG memo situation.
And in both cases the issue was the same. The MSM has the responsibility to report facts, not rumours or possibilities. Whatever it reports is given a seal of truthfulness and authentity. It’s therefore incumbent of it to verify each claim. When it does not do this, especially in the context of a highly controversial subject, it is guilty of assisting one side to the detriment of the other. In so doing, it loses its status of an impartial observer and becomes a biased participant in the controversy.
This is nothing less than damning.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 08 30 at 05:30 AM • permalinkAnd Melanie Phillips takes Alexander Downer’s words and takes on the western media.
Her analysis seems to be accurate enough but makes for chilling reading.
The energy released is the same as if a 1-ton boulder had hit at 80 metres/second, a velocity it would reach if it had been dropped from a height of 320 metres.
Call it a 1 ton boulder dropped from 1000 ft.
That’s it! The ambulance was hit by a very, very small Hell Brick.
I have it on good authority that Israel has new deadly, leg severing pamphlets that were deliberately dropped on Red Cross ambulances. When opened, the pamphlets explode in a rain of confetti and a little chip shouts out “BOOM”.
P.S. Watch out for the confetti, too. It has been known to cause vicious paper cuts requiring stitches.
russell2pi, the IDF’s rust bombs are just one step in the process of developing the nude bomb. Once achieved, a naked grab for power in the Middle East will ensue.
Posted by Some0Seppo on 2006 08 30 at 08:07 AM • permalinkWimpy the Canadian and Nailgun both, er, nail it. If there had been an unexploded missile, surely the dud would have been retrieved by the Hezzies and put on view for all the world to see (probably after first scribbling some Hebrew invective on it, and maybe posing a kid beside it).
But the blogs won’t let them play that game with impunity anymore, and I’m glad to see Downer and Rumsfeld picking up on it.
Melanie Phillips’s article is excellent. She is a journo too. Great. Maybe the process of osmosis will slowly spread amongst the “profession”.
Sorry for the irony, Tim.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 30 at 09:01 AM • permalink#27 Zoe,
Well done. I know how to blow things up(shotfirers cert.) but physics scares me!.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 08 30 at 09:04 AM • permalinkCall it a 1 ton boulder dropped from 1000 ft.
#27 & #30
But I’ve seen coyotes survive that without any lasting harm done in documentaries on TV!Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 30 at 10:22 AM • permalinkThe people promoting this are liars and propagandists. They are not deluded, not unintelligent. They are willingly and overtly aiding and abetting the enemy by assisting in the publishing of enemy propaganda or adhering to that propaganda against all possible reason.
These are enemy. Every bit the same enemy as those trigger pullers among the jihadi.
The “info sphere” is as much a legitimate battleground as any of the others we are currently engaged in.
These are not silly people. These are not simply misinformed people. These are people that have chosen to support and assist the enemy and are therefore also enemy.
As long as we keep “Soft selling” responsibility in this aspect of 4th Generation warfare, we have no reason to expect success in this war.
Maybe those insidious and nefarious but scientifically gifted Joos! JOOS! JOOOOOS! have finally invented the phaser, the miracle weapon that does whatever the writers need it to….
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 30 at 08:23 PM • permalink
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I’d like to see an SDB* dropped on Tony’s pointy head to see how well his chassis dispersed the kinetic energy.
(*These are about 60kgs I believe).