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Environmentalist Clive Hamilton explains how best to sell warmenist panic:
When deploying the big-lie technique there are rules to be followed: be audacious; never admit fault; never accept the possibility of alternatives; and repeat the falsehood so often that people end up accepting it as truth.
It works for 9/11 truthers, and it works for environmentaloids. In fact, Hamilton is accusing Australian environment minister Malcolm Turnbull of lying, and threatens him with a dreadful fate:
If Turnbull perseveres with the lies, the misery will only accumulate and add to the imbalance on his karmic ledger.
You might conclude from his mention of the “karmic ledger” that Clive is in the junior phase of moonbatdom. Not so.
Does Godwin’s Law apply if, for some odd reason, this post makes me think of Joseph Goebbels?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 05 10 at 12:13 PM • permalinkDon’t interrupt Clive when he’s debunkenating.
Posted by Tai Chi Wawa on 2007 05 10 at 12:38 PM • permalinkAlso wishing to avoid running afoul of Godwin’s Law, I will simply note that unless one is utilizing the military tactics of utilizing tanks, mechanized infantry, and aircraft in a coordinated manner, it is best not to apply or allude positively to the lessons of the German Nationalist Socialist Party.
One of the ways they lie so effectively is that they thouroughly believe their own crap.
For instance Josh Marshal proposed a contest were his readers were going to send in all of the examples of Bush admin officials “questioning the patriotism” of war opponents.
Gee, no follow up yet. Maybe becasue constant accusations by the Left Wing/ Soros Noise Machine that they have done so cannot magically make any actual examples appear.
No matter. Their certitude born of ignorance will be completely unaffected by the lack of evidence for one of their primary talking points.
Card has a good take-down of a kool-aid drinking column here.
Posted by rightwingprof on 2007 05 10 at 03:54 PM • permalinkIn the 1930s the leaders of Europe, still traumatised by the Great War, wanted to believe that the rise of fascism did not mean another war, that it was possible to appease an expansionist dictator and live in peace. Winston Churchill was one of the few with a clear-eyed understanding of Nazi aggression, yet his warnings were ignored. There are parallels with Al Gore’s long crusade.
Yes, Clive there are.
Al Gore would institute controls over every aspect of our life .. He wants to control carbon - the fundamental component of life itself. Gore’s way is fascism in action and it’s no wonder that his creed has seen an alliance between environ freaks, socialists and [former] communists simply because the common theme is control. Control of people, control of what people do, control of what people are allowed to say, control of everything all under the guise of saving the earth.
If Winston Churchill were alive today, he would be speaking out against the rise of eco-fascism.
And why is it that people whose argument is shallow resort to playing some type of Nazi card?
PS - Tim, I was in Canberra this week too, but not for the budget. Hamilton gave this talk at the ANU this week on Tuesday and I was invited! Sometimes I wonder if this sort of invitation is secret code to see if the newcomer is committed (much like - do you believe in Jesus?) especially when my no thanks with a comment that Hamilton has an agenda were greeted with stony silence. Ho hum.. also it seems that the eco freaks are running amuck in government circles with this hysteria supported by Al Gore’s DVD. So the lights may be going out in government buildings but will anyone notice?Maybe he meant “comic ledger” (polar bears being attacked by flocks of penguins driven mad by the heat; surely a credit to the comic ledger?). Or perhaps “cosmic lodger” (you know, Turnbull’s Martian room-mate, who’s having to answer all the hate mail, same leading to an imbalance in the domestic division of labor). I mean, if Hamilton really used the expression “karmic ledger”, wouldn’t that tend to give the global warming argument overtones of religious belief?
When deploying the big-lie technique there are rules to be followed: be audacious; never admit fault; never accept the possibility of alternatives; and repeat the falsehood so often that people end up accepting it as truth.
He sounds like his mentor, Joseph Goebbels:
“A lie repeated a thousand times becomes a truth.”
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2007 05 10 at 07:20 PM • permalinkDennis the Peasant can balance your karmic ledger if you want to itemize your deductions…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 05 10 at 08:07 PM • permalinkWhen deploying the big-lie technique there are rules to be followed: be audacious; never admit fault; never accept the possibility of alternatives; and repeat the falsehood so often that people end up accepting it as truth.
This is interesting: Clive Hamilton had a recent interview with Madonna King on ABC 612 Brisbane. Madonna King’s first question was, “Should we be worried about climate change?”
Clive’s response:
“We should be absolutely terrified.”
Interesting response: both audacious, and not accepting of any alternatives.
The interview that followed was ludicrous; King never once criticised Hamilton, or offered alternative views, or questioned the evidence: so Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to ‘repeat the falsehood so often that people end up accepting it as truth’ (which he quite happily took).Clive Hamilton is a bloody hypocritical liar.
#16 Dave S
Thanks
It’s quite true is it not that those who hold weak, iconic and simplistic ideology eventually resort to fascism to implement it.
It sure is. And no wonder there’s desperation from the likes of Hamilton about climate because when people are given the facts about AGW they change there minds. How dare they! It seems that Abraham Lincoln’s observation “You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time” is still true today.
So there’s hope if enough publicity can be given to the other viewpoints.
I say we could do with promoting and screening the Great Global Warming Swindle for starters.
#14 paco
I mean, if Hamilton really used the expression “karmic ledger”, wouldn’t that tend to give the global warming argument overtones of religious belief?
Ha a good point. Hamilton apparently wrote the article in the SMH so the words are his. Irrespective of Hamilton’s views on religion or karma given his commitment to
this religionAGW, he chooses his words surely as a means to exhort members of thebrethrenpublic to rise to greater levels of self sacrifice for the good of theAGW churchplanet.Say, does anyone want to join the priesthood? Woops I forgot about Al Gore’s disciples.
Hmmmm.
When deploying the big-lie technique there are rules to be followed: be audacious; never admit fault; never accept the possibility of alternatives; and repeat the falsehood so often that people end up accepting it as truth.
I hate to say it but this is the same exact strategy employed by my local diner when I ask if the maple syrup is real or just imitation.
So. You know there’s a connection there somewhere. Might be a little tenuous.
But it could be right? And that’s all that matters!
Posted by memomachine on 2007 05 10 at 08:36 PM • permalink#20 Skeeter
Gore’s DVD is everywhere. I am not in public life but I have turned down five invitations to watch it in the last few months.
The invitations came from schools, local and state government, print media and conservation groups.
It is a very successful religion.And I’ve heard that there’s a royalty payment of $50 for each showing, so it would have to be very very
lucrative(shhh) successful religion.Gore’s way is fascism in action and it’s no wonder that his creed has seen an alliance between environ freaks, socialists and [former] communists simply because the common theme is control.
#13, spot on. Alex Robson and Sinclair Davidson touch on this in today’s Australian:
Full debate sabotaged by illogical alarmists
...the climate change agenda consistently promises to reduce individual freedom, dull incentives and reduce the living standards of all Australians.
There’s more good stuff in the article - read the whole thing.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 05 10 at 10:21 PM • permalinkWand, what if I was to hire it from the video store, copy it, then charge gullible fools to watch it? Would I get a carbon credit for not paying the distributors for a proper DVD case and a proper cover, which no doubt take carbon to produce?
Of course, that’s sidestepping the moral dilemma of inflicting that crap on innocent people…
Karmic ledger alert: Iranian stealth divers apprehended by Emirates in disputed oceanic location:
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/05/fair-is-fair.html
Sauce for the Goose?PACO
Follow-up story here: Republicans involved.Cheers
Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2007 05 11 at 01:38 PM • permalinkIf they try it in your local school, ask them if the movie has been “peer reviewed” like all of the other official school matierial. No matter what they might tell you, the answer is no. TGGWS is undergoing a kind of peer review now by the warmenists that appears only to be strengthening its case.
Why not give Al’s movie the same opportunity.
#13 an alliance between environ freaks, socialists and [former] communists simply because the common theme is control.
Absolutely!
As Vaclav Klaus, Czech President noted:
<<The third main threat to individual freedom and liberty I see in environmentalism. ... Environmentalism only pretends to deal with environmental protection. Behind their people- and nature-friendly terminology, the adherents to this ideology make ambitious attempts to radically reorganize and change the world, human society, all of us and our behavior, as well as our values.>>Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2007 05 11 at 07:46 PM • permalinkcarpefraise… timblairs are what we’re after feeling in Ireland during the earthquakes and all, sure and they are…
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