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JUSTICE DAY

The Age on Saddam Hussein’s judicial lengthening:

If justice was done, it wasn’t seen to be done.

Really? Could’ve sworn I saw justice being done right here. More from the Age:

The last thing the US needs is another anti-American Middle East martyr. But that was what we got yesterday.

Sydney’s Iraqis don’t seem too enraged:

Sydney’s Iraqi community erupted into celebration in Auburn the moment news broke that Saddam Hussein was dead.

Taxi driver Ayad Laftah, 37, of Yagoona, whose father and brother were killed under the dictator’s regime, burst into cries of “Allah Akbar”, waved his arms and threw sweets into the air.

Holding back tears he cried: “At last, justice for my father and brother."

Car horns rang out across Auburn as news spread.

"I had to grow up without my father because, one day in 1981, he just disappeared,” Mr Laftah said. “The same with my brother, Jewaad. He was just 21 ... To hear Saddam has been executed makes this the happiest day of my life."

Mr Laftah has been in Australia for 16 years after arriving as a refugee.

Fairfield Heights pharmacist Abdul Hamady described yesterday as “justice day”.

Click for earlier Justice Day news.

Posted by Tim B. on 12/30/2006 at 12:47 PM
  1. They were cheering in Dearborn, Michigan last night too. (I haven’t picked up any local rags yet to see if Canada’s ex-Iraqis are cheering too; apparently Montreal has a large community of them.)

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 12 30 at 01:04 PM • permalink

  2. In reality, Saddam is not a martyr to the Muslim world, rather, a martyr to the Western Left, little different than Ché Guevara. That they were both sadistic murderous bastards says a great deal about our “compassionate” Leftists.

    That our supposedly “objective” Press would stoop to clumsy moral equivalencies to warn us not to celebrate the demise of the world’s most murderous tyrant since Pol Pot is especially maddening.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 30 at 01:18 PM • permalink

  3. The Age don’t so much make arguments as string cliches together, not everyone who dies can be spun into a martyr. The prosecution and judiciary conducted themselves well, the fact that Saddam in the face of overwhleming evidence tried to discredit the trial by acting like a clown does not change that regardless of some newspapers willingness to be suckered by that propaganda trick.

    The benefits of Saddams death seem pretty clear to me:

    1) It removes the (surprisingly widely held) fear amoung Shias and Kurds that Saddam might come back.

    2) It makes it clear to Sunni death squads that he is not coming back.

    3) Should give the government enough credibility amoung the Shias to be able to seriously tackle the Shia death squads.

    Posted by Ross on 2006 12 30 at 01:20 PM • permalink

  4. Saddam Ends: NY Times, MSM Hit Hardest

    Posted by paulris on 2006 12 30 at 01:28 PM • permalink

  5. Martyr schmartyr. Martyrs are not the problem, since when was any of the terrorism or insurgency we’ve seen motivated by any martyr figures? It’s live people that are the problem.

    By the way, Saddam’s demise makes me wonder: do school kids still play hangman? Or is that too politically incorrect these days?

    Posted by Shaky Barnes on 2006 12 30 at 01:31 PM • permalink

  6. Huh.  The quotes by Iraqis, except for Baathists, I’ve found are celebratory.  One professor said he grabbed his gun and ran outside to shoot it, he was so happy.

    Conversely, Western gits--some, anyways--are ever so sad.  Any response from Mike Farrell yet?

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 30 at 01:39 PM • permalink

  7. I doubt Saddam will be considered much of a martyr to anybody but the discredited Baathists.  He was too secular for the Islamists, and frankly, he killed too many of them to be rehabilitated now.  His name goes down in the list of monsters, and that’s all anybody will remember about him.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 12 30 at 01:42 PM • permalink

  8. Yep.  I wonder how long it will take to get Saddam tee shirts, coffee mugs, kitchen magnets, and patchouli holders in lefty tea shops.

    Saddam is to long a name for the reality impaired tho, ADS and all that…

    How about just “Sad”.  Sad and Che, together forever at last.

    Posted by trainer on 2006 12 30 at 01:51 PM • permalink

  9. Forget that stuff, trainer, I want to know how much I can get on E-bay for my autographed copies of Zabibah And The King, The Impregnable Castle, and Men And A City!

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 12 30 at 02:42 PM • permalink

  10. Taxi driver Ayad Laftah, 37, of Yagoona, whose father and brother were killed under the dictator’s regime, burst into cries of “Allah Akbar”, waved his arms and threw sweets into the air.

    I sense a potential solution to the Palestinian conflict: Replace all their AK-47’s with candy cannons to fire into the air.

    Posted by PW on 2006 12 30 at 03:19 PM • permalink

  11. Every one of these weenies can take their “Oh no, another martyr!” crap, fold it to eight corners and insert it up their ass diagonally.

    ANYTHING that happens to ANYBODY creates another ‘martyr’ for the islamists.  “Abdul’s car blew the engine!  He’s a victim of the Joooos!” “Hussein was killed when his bomb went off too soon!  He’s a shahid!” On and bloody on.

    Make enough of them ‘martyrs’, there won’t be any islamist child-killers left.

    Posted by Firehand on 2006 12 30 at 03:33 PM • permalink

  12. Here is one Catholic’s take on the morality of the execution, by Professor Bainbridge, a law blogger (his stuff is always interesting and usually very thought-provoking).

    Posted by paco on 2006 12 30 at 04:03 PM • permalink

  13. And, in between MSM blowing of Saddam Mr. Saddam, some Iraqi refugees speak:
    http://tinyurl.com/y643mw

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 12 30 at 04:06 PM • permalink

  14. #1 The CBC’s reporter last night was a bit puzzled why the celebration in the US was in Dearborn and not Washington DC.  I think it was a bit beyond him to understand that Iraqi ex-pats had to flee from a murderous tyrant and would be happy with his death.

    Posted by rbj1 on 2006 12 30 at 04:42 PM • permalink

  15. Last night I was visiting friends in Merrylands/Granville which has a major muslim population these days, & all this noise started around 9.15pm. Thought it was fireworks but now I know it was gun fire. It sounded incredible.

    Posted by ozconservative on 2006 12 30 at 04:54 PM • permalink

  16. Taxi driver Ayad Laftah, 37, of Yagoona, whose father and brother were killed under the dictator’s regime, burst into cries of “Allah United States Akbar”..

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 30 at 06:10 PM • permalink

  17. #2 Spiny, How many of us has had the fo0llowing conversation over the past few days:

    Saddam will be/is hung.

    “Good.”

    “But he was supported by the West.”

    I think it is called changing the subject or somesuch. Avoid the argument as you are talking with a lefty.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 30 at 06:14 PM • permalink

  18. Saddam will be/is hung.

    “Good.”

    “But he was supported by the West.”

    “Really? I thought he was supported by the rope.”

    Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 12 30 at 06:40 PM • permalink

  19. Saddam is dead.

    Long live Iraq.

    Posted by Jack Lacton on 2006 12 30 at 06:43 PM • permalink

  20. As has been previously stated, there wasn’t a dictator that the left didn’t love. Even in Oz, the socialist shitbags (Rudd:Am not!) cry crocodile tears over his long drop.

    "Australian Labor leader Kevin Rudd doubted whether Saddam’s execution will help stop the violence in Iraq. Labor questions whether the execution of Saddam Hussein will in any way reduce sectarian and political violence in Iraq, which has already brought that country to the brink of civil war,” he said in a statement.

    Rudd said Saddam deserved severe punishment for his crimes against humanity, but not the death penalty. Meanwhile, Labor foreign affairs spokesman Robert McClelland doubted Saddam’s death will lead to an improvement in the conditions in Iraq.

    “Whether his execution is going to serve any purpose in terms of the goal of bringing the conflicting sides in Iraq together is obviously doubtful,” he told Australian Associated Press. “We are doubtful that his execution will contribute to the resolution of sectarian violence plaguing Iraq,” he said. McClelland said Saddam should have been punished severely, but the death penalty was not an appropriate sentence. He said Saddam should have been sentenced to life in jail instead."

    Life in jail, huh? Regrets, the ALP have a few, then again, too many to mention…

    Posted by CB on 2006 12 30 at 06:54 PM • permalink

  21. But he was supported by the West.

    And the Soviet Union was supported by streams of visiting Western intellectuals in the 20’s and 30’s as a utopia, so should we put the Iron Curtain back up?

    Martyrs are not the problem, since when was any of the terrorism or insurgency we’ve seen motivated by any martyr figures?

    Since around about the time fast food restaurants caused people to get fat and poker machines caused people to gamble, presumably.

    Posted by hayesy on 2006 12 30 at 07:31 PM • permalink

  22. This didn’t take long:

    Saddam hanging video

    Crappy image quality… it’s a cellphone cam.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 30 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  23. Oh, and sic semper tyrannis.

    Posted by hayesy on 2006 12 30 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  24. There was nothing very much good about Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

    There is nothing very much good to read in The Age.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 12 30 at 07:35 PM • permalink

  25. #22 Spiny Norman, good enough quality.  For a moment there I was worried we’d be looking at pictures of the stairs when the trapdoor opened.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 12 30 at 07:43 PM • permalink

  26. #20
    Rudd said Saddam deserved severe punishment for his crimes against humanity, but not the death penalty.
    Severe punishment would be what?
    Somewhere between having a female M.P. pointing at his genitals and being part of a brown-eye pyramid, I guess.

    Posted by lotocoti on 2006 12 30 at 07:43 PM • permalink

  27. >But he was supported by the West.

    And the East too.  There is a reason Iraqi troops used AK 47s and drive T-55 instead of M-16s and M-60s.  Lots of fols were tyring to get Iraq on their side.  The French sold them a nuclear reactor for God’s sake.  Most of Iraq’s arms were sold by the USSR, China, France, and Germany—the US was actually only a small arms supplier.  Most US assistance was providing intelligence and satelite phots of Iranian positions during the war. 

    And if we did support him such that we are also guilty of his crimes, didn’t that make it more imperative from a moral perspective that we undo that wrong and get rid of him?

    Posted by Room 237 on 2006 12 30 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  28. #27 Room 237

    We supported both Iraq and Iran in that war, in so much as we made sure neither side won.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 12 30 at 07:58 PM • permalink

  29. #27, Room 237:

    Pretty dead on. Iran was one of those problems that were rated high enough that EVERYONE cooperated in keeping them checked.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2006 12 30 at 08:07 PM • permalink

  30. #27
    But he was supported by the West.
    The “But we supplied him with those chemical weapons.” accusation really pisses me off. Supplying Saddass with NBCD expertise maybe well be the other side of the chemical coin, but it was as much to do with gaining access to soviet offensive capabilities as putting the brakes on the islamic revolution.  At the time, the financial incentives of such a consultantcy contract for a soon to be ex-naval officer (very junior) were astounding, but wiser counsel prevailled.

    Posted by lotocoti on 2006 12 30 at 08:37 PM • permalink

  31. Ding dong the Bitch is dead!

    Posted by monkeyfan on 2006 12 30 at 08:52 PM • permalink

  32. I just thought up a little song to celebrate the passing of the Left’s favourite genocidal dictator. The tune is from Joseph and the Technicolour Dreamcoat;

    There’s one less butcher in Baghdad
    There’s one less Scud in the sky
    Saddam we’ll never forget you
    It’s tough but we’re going to get by.
    Posted by The Mongrel on 2006 12 30 at 09:25 PM • permalink

  33. 185600 - you’ll be pleased to know that the children of Five Dock were in the park yesterday letting off fireworks just after 2pm.

    Just around the corner from where lives. 

    Unfortunately his house is too far back from the park to hit with your average rocket.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2006 12 30 at 09:35 PM • permalink

  34. Another amusing example of the mandarin bubble.  Iraqis themselves - or anyone else for that matter - hardly bear notice when it comes to the business of telling you what’s good for you.

    Posted by Inurbanus on 2006 12 30 at 09:49 PM • permalink

  35. It’s a bit of a worry, though, when one bloodythirsty murderous shit gets executed by the followers of yet another bloodythirsty murderous shit.

    What were two followers of Moktada doing in that supposedly secure room, presumably as officers of the Iraqi National Police? I’ve seen no reports of their being dragged off and interrogated as to the whereabouts of their boss. They clearly felt secure enough, amidst key figures of the Iraqi judiciary and other VIPs, to proclaim their allegiance to a terrorist.

    Posted by RexW on 2006 12 30 at 11:41 PM • permalink

  36. The more we can make martyrs of our enemies, the better

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 12 31 at 12:17 AM • permalink

  37. The more we can make martyrs of our enemies, the better

    Yup. A dead martyr is still dead.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 12 31 at 12:38 AM • permalink

  38. Ded is ded, as the saying goes.  Saddam can’t even be propped up a la Fidel anymore.

    Posted by ushie on 2006 12 31 at 12:42 AM • permalink

  39. We need a t-shirt with Che on it, encircled in red with the red line through it. Next to it, a picture of Saddam, same red circle and line.

    Captioned: Taking out the Trash, One Terrorist at a Time!

    Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 12 31 at 01:34 AM • permalink

  40. Can;t believe the comments over at the Beeb’s (don’t dare) have your say!
    “No one has the right to take the life of another, regardless of what they have done.”
    Recommended by 105 people

    “As a Middle East specialist I view this action as a judgement by the people and governmant of Iraq.”
    Recommended by 25 people

    looks like the “tookie was a gentle teddy bear mob are out in force”
    WOW! the BBC brain washing Does work does it not?
    Why was’nt he tried at the Hague!!
    hello , is Iraq a sovereign state allowed to practice its own Laws? Only when they are Anti American of course.

    Posted by davo on 2006 12 31 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  41. If we let them live, they become “symbols of resistance”.  If we kill them, they become “martyrs”. So, on the whole we might as well kill them all.  QED.

    Posted by Hucklebuck on 2006 12 31 at 11:30 AM • permalink

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