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Andrew Johns was rugby league’s finest player - despite, as he now reveals, being all punked up on Jupiter oil many times throughout his career.
CL, I have the greatest respect for you but my only answer to your misguided comment is… pigs arse sir! Wally was good but certainly not the best.
Back to the topic at hand, I’m not defending his actions in the slightest but at least he’s shown more guts than Kevin bloody Rudd in owning up. He could have gone the “I was too pissed to remember” route but eventually thought the better of it. His initial statement this morning was obviously bullshit and being an honorable man he didn’t try to continue with it.
To then come out and admit a long term problem was unnecessary and took real guts.
That counts for points in my book.
Them rugby blokes are all poofters, anyway.
It’s a well known fact!
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 08 30 at 11:46 AM • permalinkAndrew Johns was rugby league’s finest player ...
As an American I say this directly from the heart. Andrew who?
Posted by wronwright on 2007 08 30 at 12:34 PM • permalinkI see those from north of the border are displaying the usual signs of Joey Derangement Syndrome - a sure sign he was the greatest ever as we only hold your fellow cane toad sodomizers in derision. Literally, as we look forward to the entertainment that is a Lockyer interview, the guy sounds worse than Bob Dylan these days. And at least old Bobby has a lifetime of substance abuse far worse than Joey as his excuse.
Can’t say I’m surprised about the revelations though, here in Newcastle word gets around about his antics off the field. Still don’t mind.
Posted by brucey bonus on 2007 08 30 at 05:52 PM • permalinkThis is a disgrace!!
I say disallow the last minute try in the 1997 Grand Final and award the premiership to Manly.Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 08 30 at 06:51 PM • permalink#13 Yoicks
Yeah, dead right, sorry, sorry sorry, it was the depression that dun it.
What a load of shit.
These days there seems to be a confusion among people who get caught between “sorry I dun it” and “sorry I got caught”
They get busted and immediately launch a quest to garner sympathy for their plight.
I don’t really care if he is a piss head and after a game “gets the urge to dance”, just don’t insult us by blaming every other person and thing.
And as for “a person or persons unknown put it in my pocket in a nightclub” is about as good as “the dog ate my homework”.
Heard on radio:
Who makes these people role models anyway?
Who in society decides that they should be role models?
Why are they held to such a high standard?
Why is he responsible?
Why does he have such a high level of responsibility?Well, in many cases it’s not society that makes sports people role models, it’s the kids who admire them and want to be like them.
If you accept being in the spotlight, the public acclaim, the kudos, and the bags of money for playing a sport, or even just being in the public eye, you need to be aware that you are no longer a private person. Especially as a sports champion (not a hero!), you will be held to a higher standard because you must set an example.
He’d have never fessed up to taking drugs if he hadn’t been caught.
I have no sympathy for him.
My father suffered from depression and was an alcoholic, probably because of the depression. It destroyed so much in his and our lives. (He wasn’t violent, but paranoid and occasionally suicidal, and on many occasions made an absolute idiot of himself among family and friends.)I knew there was a reason we union types wouldn’t let you mungo bastards into our clubs.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 08:16 PM • permalinkFrom brief exposures (can only handle a few seconds) I always thought that drugged-out, lobotomised, in-bread troglodites could play rugby.
Every day I’m proven right…
The TV highlights of this “sport” are how the players hurt themselves and each others during the game…Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2007 08 30 at 08:38 PM • permalink#25 - Pickles
The thugs game played by thugs? Frankly who cares. As I was reclining in my Chesterfield the other night at “the club” enjoying a nice Louis XIII and Romeo y Julieta with some fellow scarfies, for a brief moment the thought of those knuckle dragging, slot jockeys having to endure Leagues Clubs almost made me feel compassion.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 08:47 PM • permalinkIt is clear to me that rugby league players could learn much from their brethren in the AFL.
What they need to do is bring in some moral guardians from a good family AFL club - say, Hawthorn - to provide some much needed advice.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 08 30 at 09:15 PM • permalink#33 - Yes, the family club. Well, the players sure do hug each other a lot.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 09:21 PM • permalink#36 - I’ll bet my left nut, mortgage the right one that they played Rugby Union, bot Rugby League. The differences are subtle, Union players have opposable thumbs and their family trees haven’t undergone the process of bonsai.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 09:25 PM • permalink#39 - My hug reference was regarding a substance that a certain club may be fond of that causes the ingester to feel a rather unnatural empathy and affection to others.
I bat for both teams - union and AFL. So I’m a bum sniffing, arse patter.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 30 at 09:49 PM • permalink#40 IT stop redefining the great game. There’s no knowing where you’ll take it.
Clearly Jack from Montreal with his southern state origins still has no idea about Rugby. That’s Rugby JfM ... NOT loigue (best said holding both nostrils tight)
Anyway why don’t you American and Canadian pansies play a sport that doesn’t have insurance companies determining how much protective clothing you have to wear.
See you at the club IT. Best leather patches please.
#32 That was a line in a famous Fourex ad, later canonised on the plaque beneath his statue at The Cauldron. The ad jingle’s key stanza was:
Here’s to Wally Lewise for lacing on a boot;
Somtimes he plays it rugged, sometimes he plays it cute;
He slices through a backline like a Stradbroke Island shark;
There’s glue on all his fingers;
He’s the Emperor of Lang Park.He’s more popularly known as “The King”.
Of course, he was the pre-eminent player of the game in the modern era.
#42.
While a spectator at one of the State of Origin matches at the SFS in the late eighties I recalled another jingle about Wally Lewis, it went something like this:
“Wally takes it up the ass - doo daa, doo daa.”
As a Newsouthwelshman I was of course completely appalled.Note: Chorus to be sung over and over ad nauseum with said player to be within easy hearing distance.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 08 30 at 11:56 PM • permalinkWell, who took what where is debatable. Queensland won under Lewis in 87 (2-1), 88 (3-0) and 89 (3-0).
Lewis continued his domination in State of Origin throughout the rest of his Queensland career (ending in 1991) with countless examples of his match-winning plays. One that most recall as the best, was in Origin II of 1989 in Sydney. Scores were locked at 12-all but the Maroons were in trouble - there were down to 12 men after being ravaged by injury and sinking fast.
From 40m out Lewis took the ball and made an angled run in the direction of the NSW corner. Lewis beat the tackles of Chris Mortimer and Laurie Daley before carrying Test fullback Garry Jack over the line. In a single play, Lewis took Queensland to the lead, inspired his team, silenced the crowd and stunned the Blues. It was, as they say, “pure Lewis”.
Whats the difference between a footballer and a pig?
Pigs don’t turn into footballers when they get pissed or do drugs.Posted by surfmaster on 2007 08 31 at 01:05 AM • permalink#45 - On the other hand, 12 pints can turn a pig into a fox.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 08 31 at 01:12 AM • permalinkThe AJ drugs thing has common knowledge in Newie for years. He’s a neighbour of ours, my daughter has refused him and quite a few other Knights players service in the nightclub where she works because they’ve been so off their faces on booze and drugs. It happened with another Knights player last Saturday night.
That said, I am very sympathetic to Andrew. Because of his talent he has had NO privacy in Newcastle since the age of 17. He has earned large money, people have sucked up and covered up, and now are standing by while he’s going for rock bottom.
I understand he came clean about the drugs because one of the journos who kept quiet for years was about to do an expose.
He’s a nice person in my personal experience and deserves better than people laying the boot in. At least he was more honest about his failings than Kevin 07.
Everyone ...
If Andrew Johns is sincere in his admission that his depression has turned him to alcohol & drugs, I can understand. I’ve been there, and am still there. I’ve mentioned being afflicted by the black dog here at least once on this blog. It’s not 10 years for me, it’s been 30 years.
I don’t shy away from it being my choice to solace myself in antisocial ways. Like kae’s dad above (#22), it has come at a big cost to my family and I.
I hate it, and although I have do have good times, my way of thinking will eventually drag me down to feeling pretty ordinary. To say I’m feeling ordinary is an understatement, it means pretty low.
I can understand Andrew saying the pill in his pocket was someone else’s. I probably would’ve said the same if caught in similar circumstances. Who on this blog hasn’t said something that wasn’t truthful to get out of a sticky situation?
In Australia, we love our role models, but when they stray, we cut them down. To the non Oz readers, it’s called the tall poppy syndrome. Should we put our role models on that pedestal, even though they are as rocky as you and me? Andrew was one of Australia’s best athletes in the sport of Rugby League. And he should remain that.
One last comment. Why do we treat our movie stars differently?
Stevo
I also have depression, as does my brother. We don’t do drugs, we don’t drink. We try not to be obnoxious (sometimes I fail). I don’t blame the depression on the days I just don’t want to get out of bed, although that’s probably what it is. I get on with it. Fortunately I’m not on antidepressants, the doctor won’t prescribe them (I have been on them before), because of a heart condtion I have which I take drugs for.
I have to battle on.
If he has been suffering from depression for many years, at least five, and he’s been taking illicit drugs for years, his doctor should tried to do more.
I still have no sympathy for him. Getting pissed just made dad’s life, and ours, particularly my mother’s, more miserable.
He may have been a super sportsman, but he’s not now.
People who suffer from mental illness should be able to get help, but they can’t. It’s not really recognised and it’s still considered a sign of weakness to admit that you have problems.
Maybe now Johns can get the right help, not to mention having the WILL to stop using illicit drugs.My father didn’t dry out until about four weeks before he died. They put him in the tank in a hospital to dry out so that they could give him stronger painkillers. He had osteoporosis and his spine was collapsing; he had respiratory failure (emphysema), and all the problems which go with the end stage of that - mini strokes, incontenence, unable to swallow, unable to breathe or walk around.
I still love him and miss him. I’ll find his eulogy one day and put it up. He was great fun when I was a kid! His decline progressed over many years.
Don’t have any family addiction stories (thank God) all I’d like to say is I wish I could see some rugby once in a while on my tv here in the US. As for it being a sport of “troglodytes” what sport isn’t? Count me a trog. Sports figures as role models? Charles Barkley./random “thoughts” off
Posted by dean martin on 2007 08 31 at 08:07 AM • permalinkkae, she helps more people than you could count…............
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 08 31 at 08:22 AM • permalinkmehaul
I always think of the good times, and really, the bad times were much later, when I was in my twenties, for mum they were sooner, sitting in the car with my brother and I waiting for him to finish his ‘roadie’ (one for the road) at the golf club or pub or wherever.
I do remember him fondly.
Just last week mum was saying that she attended a function where a lot of people that they socialised with in the caving fraternity turned up, all in their 60s and 70s now, those that are still with us! She said to me that she always thinks “I must tell your father about….” and then she very quickly realises that she can’t tell him. I have the same thoughts, Dad would love this…., but I can’t tell him.
My dad was a softie, he would do anything he could for anyone. And this was to his detriment. A business partner ripped him off, and mum ended up ensuring that the company debts were paid. There were blueys arriving every other day. Because dad gave the partner the benefit of the doubt.
I must find that eulogy, I think you’d like it. Just a few words about what he taught me. And his little idiosyncrasies.Thanks so much for the father’s day wishes.
I wish I could now celebrate father’s day with my kids and their father, but I missed the boat there, too.
kae
You dad sounded like a pretty decent fellow, despite his demons. I enjoyed reading your post. Tomorrow, we’ll all celebrate Dad’s Day ... we all have a father ... except for the South Korean clones. Do you live anywhere near Ingham? My dad comes from there, but now lives in Sydney. I better ring him and invite him over for lunch tomorrow.
Thanks Stevo, thats kind of you to say that. I know that there’s people who didn’t know my dad when he was great, or don’t remember that time. It’s a shame. He was a good bloke.
I hope your demons get sorted…I read some letters to the Aus today and I suppose what I meant to say about Andrew Johns is that if all these people knew he had problems with drugs and alcohol, particularly drugs which are illegal, they should have tried to help him. And if helping meant exposing his drug abuse it should have happened.
I can’t sympathise with him because it will destroy him. It will destroy his relationships. He has to want to stop, he is in the end the only person who can help, and he has to want to help himself.
To all the fathers who come here for common sense, and a laugh, and an escape, I’d like to wish you a very happy Father’s day. Hug your kids! They need you every day of your life.#63 Kae My four monsters 18-25 will leap on me sometime in the morning and say Happy Father’s Day. Two of the boys and I will walk 9 holes at the local golf course tomorrow afternoon and I’ll wonder at the two of them while we’re playing. Both fine physical specimens but one with his issues and the other….well the world’s his oyster as far as he’s concerned. And they’ll take the piss out of each other for the whole two hours. ‘God you’re hopeless’ ‘You’re in that bunker for ever’ etc will be the ongoing banter between the two of them. My life and relationships with my four are unequamfantasimbly (my word) better than my relationship and life with my own Dad but I’ve had to work really hard on it and it hasn’t been easy.
You musn’t be so hard on yourself re what tomorrow promises for you. Go and have an expensive coffee somewhere with the terrible Sunday Mail and rejoice your own life. We all love you here at Blair’s blog.
#Kae. Aaahh The Curious Mail. If measured by the quality of the ‘letters to the editor’ page, the CM is a bee’s dick better than the Gold Coast Bulletin which puts it in the genuinely terrible publications of Australia category. Anything that credits Dallas Fraser with regular letters and positions Terry Sweetman as Queensland’s poor man’s Philip Adams is a sad missive.
Cheers
#65 kae:
I believe sporting people should NOT be tested for non enhancing drug usage. For drugs that enhance their performance, YES. On the other hand, detrimental drug usage by people that might cause injury to others should still happen, eg pilots and drivers MUST be tested. My argument is that do we get to the stage where we drug test everyone? I’ve read recently that certain US states want to drug test students.
Humans do like drugs. Yes, alcohol and tobacco, and a bit more. Do we ban all (non medicinal) drugs? That doesn’t work, we know that, or do we manage it in a way that reduces the harm, but not eliminate drug usage, in society?
The dilemma for me is that I have worked in drug law enforcement in the past, and I don’t have an answer.
Cheers ... Stevo
Stevo, did I say that he should have been tested for non-performance-enhancing drugs?
If those around him were aware of his drug abuse they should have said something, especially if it was affecting his life. Surely there were many people who knew that something was going on. Also, the drugs he abused are illegal. Surely that would be enough for people who were aware to either have a quiet word with him or dob him in?
Prisons are supposed to be drug free. If the authorities can’t keep drugs out of prisons what hope is there that they can keep them out of society?
What do you suggest, then? Make them legal?
That’s a mistake, too.Some people want to see marijuana made legal. I have met too many drug-fucked fools in their 30s and 40s and older who cannot function without being stoned who think that they aren’t affected - you only have to be on the outside looking at them to see that they are wasted, and I’ve seen people who have been psychologically triggered by smoking marijuana and taking speed.
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Even punked up on jupiter oil he never came close to the greatness of The King.