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Those Clintons sure are talking a lot of sense lately:
New York Senator Hillary Clinton says Israel’s incursion into Lebanon is an exercise of the right that every sovereign nation has to defend itself against attacks.
Clinton was at Fayetteville this afternoon on a rare visit to her former Arkansas stomping grounds. She said Israel had the right to take stern and strong action against Hezbollah attacks originating in Lebanon. Asked if her support extended to Israel’s bombing of the Beiruit international airport, she said, quote, “I fully support Israel’s right to defend itself,” unquote.
It’s been quite a journey for the former First Lady. Meanwhile, in Melbourne:
Hundreds of demonstrators marched through Melbourne on Saturday protesting escalating violence in the Middle East.
No more escalating violence! Return violence to previous levels!
Any old excuse to get out the placards and giant puppets. Wankers.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 16 at 07:28 AM • permalinkMelbourne Inymedia via Dan Lewis; speakers calling for Israel-out-of-Gaza (?) incl;
Izzat Abdul Hadi (head of the Palestinian delegation to Australia)
Dr Edmond Milhem (Victorian Council of Lebanese Migrants)
Sheikh Fahmi Imam (Islamic Society)
Taimor Hazou (deputy chair of the Australian Arabic Council
Mohammad Helmy (Federation of Australian Muslim Students and Youth)
Sarah Haynes (International Solidarity Movement) peace Mary Baxter (just returned from the West Bank)
Asem Judah (Palestinian Community of Victoria)HUNDREDS of demonstrators marched through Melbourne on Saturday protesting escalating violence in the Middle East.
Well, that’s a good thing. Protesting against violence, both by Israel and by Hezbollah and Hamas. Right?
Police said some 800 people rallied in the southern city calling for an end to the Israeli offensive in Lebanon.
The Israeli offensive? How about Hamas and Hezbollah? They started this whole thing.
More than 70 civilians have been killed and almost 200 wounded in Lebanon in Israeli bombing raids which were launched after Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others at the border on Wednesday.
See! I think if ABC wants to act as a true objective party, it would ask the protesters what they are doing to stop Hezbollah and Hamas from conducting acts of violence and terrorism. To each protester they should ask: “What did you do today to stop the terrorists? What is your list of beneficial actions of consequence? Anything?”
Otherwise, let’s bring this bull shit to a close right now.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 07 16 at 08:01 AM • permalinkIsrael may have a right to defend itself, but I doubt that the incursions into Lebanon and the Gaza strip will achieve anything.
Hezbolla and Hamas are self-styled martyrs; these incursions just allow them to act out their martyrdom. They don’t give a shit about the Israeli hostages; they sure as hell won’t release them any time soon.
I followed the link to indymedia and decided to add a comment to the thread.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 16 at 09:06 AM • permalink#6 rog2, I guess that would be the moderateSheikh Fehmi leading kumbaya, then.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 16 at 09:13 AM • permalinkAnother of Hillary’s “Sister Souljah” moments.
If only I could believe she’s as sincere as Lieberman and Miller are! Sadly, her husband used the same routine to get elected - cultivate extremist factions, and then publicly repudiate them when the cameras are rolling - to get elected, and we have the products of eight years of his leadership that Bush has been cleaning up. I hope the electorate doesn’t fall for that again.
If Hillary really wants to prove she’s abandoned the “diplomacy at any price” attitude her husband had, she should endorse Lieberman as the Dem’s presidential candidate, with the caveat that she be the vice presidential candidate.
Lieberman / Clinton, 2008. I’d vote for that, just to snap the Dems back to sanity (by making the Kossacks’ heads explode). Still, if the Reps ran Guiliani for 2008, it’d be a tough decision.
But then, in a democracy, it should always be a tough decision.
Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2006 07 16 at 10:46 AM • permalinkLook, it’s a Clinton. The only question is how is she going to screw us first chance she gets.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 16 at 10:51 AM • permalinkIncidentally, if anyone wonders why I feel Lieberman and Miller were actually sincere in their repudiation of the communist wing of their party, it’s because they gave their opinions when not only was there no political advantage to do so, but in fact when there were severe political disadvantages to it. Lieberman is on the verge of losing the primary in his own state, and Miller pretty much committed political hari-kari in his address at the 2004 Republican National Convention.
People who are willing to sacrifice the careers they spent their entire lives building… call them morons, or chumps, or even traitors, but don’t doubt their sincerity.
Posted by Tatterdemalian on 2006 07 16 at 11:04 AM • permalinkIsrael may have a right to defend itself, but I doubt that the incursions into Lebanon and the Gaza strip will achieve anything.
Well back in 1982, it took the Israelis only a few months to smash the PLO out of Lebanon - sending them packing into virtual exile in Tunisia. Israel could have annihilated Arafat & the entire PLO leadership, if it were not for US intervention.
The Israelis could well & truly do the same to Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. It won’t take them long.
I suspect however that they more reluctant to re-occupy Gaza and afraid of international opinion. Unfortunately, in the case of Gaza (as was with the case of Lebanon) the Israelis are waiting for something to happen - like a barrage of Hamas katuysha rockets into Tel Aviv for example. Or more kidnappings of soldiers and civilians. The Israelis are like sitting ducks.
New York Senator Hillary Clinton says Israel’s incursion into Lebanon is an exercise of the right that every sovereign nation has to defend itself against attacks.
Gee, if all below is true...Nahhhh, Hillary was only joking...right?
Hillary’s actual words: “You fucking Jew bastard!” [Jerry Oppenheimer in his book State of the Union: Inside the Complex Marriage of Bill and Hillary Clinton (2000)]
“f***ing Jew bastard” [The Times (London), 18 July 2000]
“f-----g Jew bastard” [New York Daily News, 17 July 2000]
“f****** Jew bastard” [The Times (London), 16 July 2000]
“f----- Jew b------” [UPI, 17 July 2000; euphemized fucking is one hyphen short]“Jew bastard” [Reuters, 10, 16, 17 July 2000]
“Jew bastard” [The Washington Post, 18 July 2000]
“Jew bastard” [New York Daily News, 18 July 2000]
“Jew b------” [AP, 16 July 2000]“an obscenity-laced, anti-Semitic slur” [AP, 19 July 2000]
“an anti-Semitic obscenity” [AP and St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 26 July 2000]
“hurled anti-Semitic abuse” [The Times (London), 18 July 2000]
“uttered an anti-Jewish slur” [Reuters, 16 July 2000]
“used an anti-Semitic slur” [AP, 16 July 2000]
“made an anti-Jewish remark” [TIME, 24 July 2000, p. 64]
“used rough language” and an “anti-Semitic slur.” [CBS Radio News, 16 July 2000]Hmmmm, maybe Hillary is the polar opposite of John Kerry. You know I voted for it, before I voted against it.
Maybe, just maybe, Hillary was against Jews, before Hillary was for Jews.
Of course, anyone with half a brain in America would rejoice, including someone cursed with the surname Clinton.
Never look a gift horse in the mouth.
America has its task cut out in Iraq and plenty to do in Afghanistan. Bush was last heard saying “it’s time for others to step up to the mark.”
Maybe Japan (whose interests are frontlined by Korea) could ramp it up there.
Lebanon is really a fall guy for Iran- the enemy Israel needs to deal with above all else.
As long as America keeps supplying arms to Israel, it looks if they can settle the Middle East situation for good (with or without some extra large holes in the ground).
Personally I see the Hand of God in all this.
Remember the Old Testament God was a bit more ruthless than the anaemic Christian version. He wasn’t past raining hail, fire and brimstone down upon the heathen.
If Zahal can destroy Hizbullah then turn Southern Lebanon over to a Lebanese Army willing to keep terrorists from using it for a base to attack Israel then the situation will get much better. That will also be a defeat for both Syria and Iran, whose sock puppet Hizbollah is.
Hizbollah can’t move their assets out of Lebanon, so their best bet is to fire off as many as they can then exfiltrate their men out to Syria on foot, where they can regroup and reinfiltrate Lebanon in future, waging guerilla war once again against the Israelis and the Lebanese Army if it tries to extend Lebanese sovereignty over Southern Lebanon.. Therefore Israel must kill as many Hizbollah fighters as she can, especialy the leaders, as well as destroying Hizbollah’s equipment. If Hizbollah survives as an effective organization Iran can always give them new arms. They must be killed and their organization discredited, and Lebanon must take up its responsibilities to govern the south of the country.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2006 07 16 at 09:23 PM • permalink"Those Clintons sure are talking a lot of sense lately: “
Of course they are. They know where their campaign money is coming from don’t they?
There seems to be no shortage of opinions as to what Israel is aiming to do.
What is clearly is that the incursions into Lebanon has nothing to do with rescuing captured IDF soldiers.
So what is the agenda here? Here are some of the
1. Settling scores for the humiliation Israel suffered in 1996/2000 at the hands of a weaker opponent?
2. Putting their own puppet in place as leader of Lebanon?
3. A pretext to the expansion of this war to include Syria, and eventually Iran, with the expectation that the US will be there to watch Israel’s back.
4. Prove to the Israeli public what a strong man he is, to buy political capital before handing over most of he West Bank to the Palestinians.
Anyone have any other theories?
A succinct assessment, Mr. Lonie.
I would go further, however, and predict Syrian air defense installations will be gone within the week, leaving a clear air corridor to Iran.
Neither the UN nor the US is going to stop this.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 17 at 12:00 AM • permalink#32 Addamo surfaces to say:
A pretext to the expansion of this war to include Syria, and eventually Iran, with the expectation that the US will be there to watch Israel’s back.What a great idea. That might really lead to democracy in the whole Middle East, something Addamo does not believe in..
That would be the sort of ‘disproportionate response’ the Allies engaged in successfully in 1941-45.
Saved a lot of Jews then too, I seem to remember…It won’t happen, because of too many people like Addamo.
Taking up Addamo’s helpful thought again, and reversing it:
Unlike in the 1940s when the USA and allies [inc Aust, Canada] saved Britain and then marched on Nazi Europe, look at the opposite happening today.The US fails to help democratic Israel survive or arm [= Britain 1940].
So Iran moves into Syria [it has an alliance already], beats back the allies in Iraq, takes over Lebanon, Jordan, Israel and finally Saudi Arabia, also putting Afghanistan, Egypt and all North Africa under great strain to submit to international Islamofascism. [It uses its allies in all these places]
Compare The Eastern and African Fronts in 1941.
Then Iran and North Korea allies both go nuclear.In this scenario, Addamo, Give a thought for the Jews along the way, but include the whole world too, please.
#36 Barrie, after reading your post I can almost visualise the graphics displays on the new, upgraded C41 DMIT Situational Awareness that Arlen Specter [R.-PA] recently secured funding for.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 17 at 01:03 AM • permalink(it may even be sophisticated enough to eliminate sentences ending with a preposition - pimf)
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 17 at 01:04 AM • permalink#39 You mean the “C’mon, Baby—Who’s yer Papua?” march?
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 17 at 02:01 AM • permalinkHey Addamo, make a sentence out of these words:
fuck
off
troll.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 17 at 02:58 AM • permalink#37 MentalFloss. I hope the new technology can cope with even more than this
- I didn’t want to scare everyone, so I left off having Pakistan and Turkey being conquered by a resurgent Iran/Taliban.Well, we’d have Russia as an ally again by that time, if that’s any comfort, but not, of course, France..
Anyone have any other theories?
Yep, your are an anti-Semitic, Jew hating son-of-a-bitch, on the Hitlerian order, ensconced in Montreal, converting to Islam.
Oh, just in case, Islam is on the same Hitlerian thought pattern.
Thought I just heard Fox News report saying Israeli boots are NOT on the ground in Lebanon.
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