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As recommended by everybody: The Great Global Warming Swindle.
Program site here. More from Lubos Motl and Dan Riehl, who notes the program’s revelation that Margaret Thatcher was apparently a cause of today’s global warming hysteria.
I watched it and recommend it highly. The part near the end, that deals with the impact of the AGW movement on poor developing countries is particularly telling, in view of recent press releases that say how very happy people in mud huts are. A cynical person might conclude that all of this news is somehow orchestrated.
Just finished watching this excellent program. Had not heard of its maker Martin Durkin before but he has no doubt just shot to the top of the AGW Heretic list, along with all the other scientists who were brave enough - or honest enough - to be involved in this project. There is surely plenty of grief in store for them all.
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I can just visualise Thynne and Moriarty convincing Seagoon of the need for carbon offsets
Thynne: Have a copy of An Inconvenient Truth
Seagoon: No thank you - I’m trying to give them up.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2007 03 11 at 04:05 PM • permalinkJust watched it, devastating stuff. Crib sheet for anyone who hasn’t seen it:
It explains in detail why the “science” of human-caused CO2 emissions causing a rise in global temperatures is a complete politically and financially-motivated crock. It shows exactly where al-Gore’s Inconvenient Truth is wrong – ol’ Lyin’ Al puts up comparisons of global CO2 levels and global temperatures and says it shows temperatures following CO2 levels. The show got climate scientists, not failed politicans, to look at the exact same data and what they said it shows is carbon dioxide FOLLOWING world temperatures, explaining that when it’s warmer the oceans emit more CO2, when it’s cooler the oceans absorb more, and there’s about an 800-year lag in the effect since it takes oceans so long to heat and cool). The scientists then demonstrated the far more scientifically accurate correlations between solar activity and global temperatures.
It explained why the global warming crowd’s “models,” which all scientists agree can be tweaked to show anything you want them to show, are dishonest since they leave off water vapor and solar activity. Really, if anybody tells me they’ve watched the show and they still believe the “science” of man-made global warming, well, I’ll leave them alone since I can’t imagine how it can be shown any clearer that humans are not causing global warming – one scientist said altering human CO2 emissions to try to alter global temperatures is like changing one of the rear right wheel lug nuts if your car won’t run.
The show explains the entire structure of the global multimillion-dollar industry based on the assumption of human-caused global warming, and how if it’s shown to be false, well, tens of thousands of people with a vested interest in the idea lose their funding and have to go out and find jobs, so what you have is an entire network of scientists, journalists, politicians, academics, NGOs, activists, carbon tradeoff fund managers, etc. who have very strong vested interests in keeping the illusion going.
It had Patrick Moore, the founder of Greenpeace – who sounds like he doesn’t believe in human-caused global warming, by the way – explain that in the early 1990s, once the Berlin Wall came down, the anti-capitalist and anti-American activists needed a new home, so they went into the greenie movement, and continued pushing the same anti-capitalist, anti-development, anti-American agenda with ecological language, instead of political class struggle language, simply using the environmental movement to push the same political agenda. He said when he left Greenpeace they were crusading to abolish chlorine. He said that’s when he knew they were beyond all reason – “Hey, guys, chlorine’s an element on the periodic table.”
Interestingly, it also traces out the history of the politicization of climate science, saying when Maggie Thatcher broke the coal miners’ strike in the late 1970s and early 1980s that politicized climate science, since she pushed nuclear power because she didn’t trust the Middle East to supply Britain with dependable oil or coal miners to do so either, so in the early 1980s, when scientists decided to switch from being concerned about global cooling to being concerned about global warming, she saw that as another argument for her political campaign for nuclear power, went to scientists at the Royal Society and said there’s government money on the table for you to go out and prove that nuclear energy is better since it doesn’t have any CO2 emissions. I’d never known that.
The most devastating part was at the end, where Africans are explaining how the worldwide global warming activists are stifling development and progress in Africa by telling Africans you can’t use coal, you can’t use oil, so “what they’re saying to us,” one African economist explained, is “you can’t have electricity.” It’s true, the over-romanticized notion of the virtuous peasant is so ingrained in lefty ideology they’re incapable of the appalling hypocrisy of demanding that Africa be “pristine” and “unspoiled” while they cling to their Western lifestyles, never admitting that hey, maybe Africans would like electricity and refrigeration and ovens and stoves and indoor lighting too.
A copy of this report should be provided to every school in Britain (where have I heard that before?). Then the kids can look at the evidence and see both sides of the argument and make up their own mind. I’ve heard it said that Gen Y or Gen Z or whatever gen we’re on now have pretty finely honed bullshit detectors.
The counter, counter has begun…
This expert in oceanography quoted in last week’s debunking of the Gore green theory says he was ‘seriously misrepresented’
He went on: “The movie was terrible propaganda. It is characteristic of propaganda that you take an area where there is legitimate dispute and you claim straight out that people who disagree with you are swindlers. That is what the film does in any area where some things are subject to argument.”
Mr Durkin last night said that Professor Wunsch was “most certainly not duped into appearing into the programme” and that it “had not in any way misrepresented what he said”.
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LGF#1 Liked the Goons reference :-)
Seriously, this is fantastic. I heard about this for a few weeks but seeing it is great. It is much better than I expected, I liked the way they dealt with several different aspects of the issue:
The Science - No. CO2 follows Temp. not the other way around.
The vested Interests - how so much money is fed to people who’s liveliehood is dependant upon global warming.
The immorality of it - that the third world is being told to stay third world by first world eco-colonialists. As a real, British-type empire admirer, I would say the british empire did more for the locals than the new Eco-empire.
(Discuss here)
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 05:45 PM • permalinkHaven’t seen it all yet, but I haven’t been this excited since the Paris Hilton video. It helps make up for an argument I had with a friend during the week. Nice girl, and very smart in many ways, but she’s been drinking Al Gore’s Kool-Aid. When I said there were scientific sceptics, she came out with the “But they’re in the pay of oil companies” meme, to which I responded (a) not true and (b) even if true, so what? Two and two still make four even if an Oil Company pays someone to say it. I don’t think I have ever so shocked someone in my entire life. She was literally speechless.
#7 El Cid, I recognise your pessimism. But you may be surprised. This program has gone out on a major British TV outlet, and was very well presented. The British common folk love to decry swindle and bullshit.
I think this program hit the target. They’re getting a bit anxious in the UK right now, what with EU, multi-culti and windmills.
Now it has gone world-wide via the internet. Tell all your friends.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:17 PM • permalink#9 Hilarious .. but, wait a minute, I was there.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:19 PM • permalink#10 Grimmy, it’s not a mental instability, it’s a mental inadequacy.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:21 PM • permalink“RE “Temperature leads CO2 by 800 years in the ice cores,” I don’t think they are claiming no correlation, but rather that if A causes B, then B cannot cause A. That’s very faulty logic.” —commenter on RealClimate about the 800 year lag between temperature rise and CO2 rise.
I think that actual point is that if A happens before B, B cannot cause A. Maybe post Einstienian physics, when it arrives, will show how this is possible.
RealClimate claims to have debunked it by showing that Solar variation does not match up with their precious hockey stick. Some debunking.
By the way, RealClimate is an echo chamber that will not publish your comment if it will “muddy the waters” of the debate.
Other comments over there have to do with going after the advertisers and filing official complaints against channel four.
I Liked this comment too.
The right wingers are distributing this around…. they have the $$$ (resources) to get this to every open wire on the planet.
Must really piss them off that other points of view are getting out.
#14 Entropy, the movie was not over the top. What El Cid reports is just an episode of pay-back avoidance by Wunsch.
Remember who controls the “g” strings here. It is the governement bureaucrats who have the billions to pay out to “scientists” who will provide the desired answer - that is, one which justifies the money-supplying bureaucrats.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:37 PM • permalink#17 But did you Cuckoo? The world wants to know?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:40 PM • permalink#21 Moptop, In our universe, as it is known, effect cannot precede cause.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:43 PM • permalink#22 The right wingers are distributing this around…. they have the $$$ (resources) to get this to every open wire on the planet.
Beauty eh. All I have is an index finger (on a mouse). I would love is someone gave me money for this :)
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 11 at 06:46 PM • permalinkThe program confirms the view that environmentalism is starting to look more and more like religion - ie it is completely faith-based.
That the movement has been completely hijacked by the Left provides the only real facts in this entire debate - environmentalism is the latest incarnation of anti-capitalist, self-hating ideology.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 03 11 at 07:27 PM • permalinkI have been working on my own argument with the help of unreported NASA press releases regarding the Cassini space probe.
There is this moon of Saturn named Enceladus. It’s totally made of water and at minus 288 degrees it should be nothing but one big ice cube. But as luck would have it there is a geyser, an old faithful, which curiously is situated at the exact spot of the south pole. This geyser shoots water vapor at escape velocity, which is coating Enceladus’s neighboring moons, all of which are the old fashion rock type, with a coat of ice. This coat of ice on Mimas, Tethys, Rhea, and Dione, causes their albedo (surface reflectivity) to increase, thus making them brighter over time.
So by taking pictures from the past and comparing them to pictures of the present, we can reconstruct the beginning of Enceladus’s geyser activity, thus putting a date for when the tiny moon began warming up. enceladus albedo
Strange that this got so little press coverage, and by little I really mean none.
It’s as if we are all living on the Planet of the Apes, and Dr. Zaeus doesn’t want to hear Bright Eyes speak.
By the way my computer is telling me that Google video doesn’t work on Windows ME so I can’t see the global warming swindle.UM Help please?
Posted by papertiger on 2007 03 11 at 08:43 PM • permalinkWindows ME? I’ve heard nothing works on Windows ME, including Windows ME. I can’t believe you can get your machine to turn on.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 03 11 at 08:54 PM • permalinkTidal forces could be the key, it is definitely the driver on Jupiter’s Io. But the thing that really revs me up is the singlular nature of the spout and it’s location. I figure there must be a magnetic field that is pulling charged solar particles into the pole to heat it up.
That is the only way I think of to make a causal link to the Sun.
But if there is a definite start time to the geyser eruptions that is enough of a link in itself.The problem with it being tidal forces is wouldn’t that have evaporated Enceladus over time?
Posted by papertiger on 2007 03 11 at 09:18 PM • permalink#23 WC. The reason I though it a bit over the top was the certainty in which it delivered its message. The point is, nobody knows for sure. This was a polemic, just as much as an the algore’s inconvienient truth. Perhaps more reliant on facts, but still a polemic, sure enough.
Oh, and it’s available on youtube for those ME sufferers. And for mac users, you can download the PSP version from google video, as it is an MP4 file. You will not have to download the google video player that comes with the download that occurs if you choose the windows/mac option (I don’t think WMP plays MP4s).
There is surely plenty of grief in store for them all.
Yes. It’s getting ugly out there. Scientists threatened for ‘climate denial’
Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, has received five deaths threats by email since raising concerns about the degree to which man was affecting climate change.
One of the emails warned that, if he continued to speak out, he would not live to see further global warming.
Ball is one of the The Great Global Warming Swindle scientists.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 03 11 at 11:16 PM • permalinkGood to see the french getting their hypocritical way again on EU climate policy.
Tim Ball and Lubos Motl are good guys. You can chat with them in the comment threads at ClimateAudit. Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick should get some props for exposing the flaws in some of the science, even though they may not have appeared in any documentary.
The single biggest “wow” Ive had mentioned in “an incontinent truthiness” was the graphs lining up CO2 and temp changes from the ice cores.
The fact presented in this film that CO2 LAGS temp changes is by itself fairly damning. The basic message seemed to be “its complicated, and GW if affected by humans at all, the effect should be tiny”.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 12 at 12:47 AM • permalinkOh, alright. Sent this out to my email list just today.
http://tinyurl.com/38fg95
[Found it, in it’s entirety, no commercials, one hour and sixteen minutes. Which I know comes out of your life. How often have you (and me) watched the blue-green glow of the idiot tube quite complacently. Then decided, well, that was a waste. “Of my time”. But, like films, or video, or newspaper stories, you have to run through them, using part of the time left of your life, to realize that your time has been wasted. Anyone hasn’t? (If so, please contact me)
I can quite understand that we are the subjects of intense media ad blitzes, and sometimes can be fooled. This has happened to all of us. I know folks who were persuaded by Michael Moore’s “9/11” or Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth”. I know people who watch “The Discovery Channel”, and (of all things) “The History Channel” on the tube, and take those as mostly gospel. ‘Discovery’ is mostly trash, and ‘History’ is often crappy - and that’s the truth of it.
I repeat, the Gerbil Worming agitation/propaganda front has been in-your-face just about every day of the last 10-15 years. It’s in my Dallas Moaning Newts (today and was yesterday, and I think yours), I’m told it’s on the 6 O’clock news, the Morning News, CNN, Fox, c-BS, etc. (all of which I can’t watch). It’s everywhere, like an entity which can’t be killed.
This video is plainly the skeptical view of the looming calamity of the Gerbil Worming Hypothesis ascendancy, if it should be put into action. This is much worse than the “Satanic Ritual Child Abuse Syndrome” hoax. Worse than all the “New Orleans Hurricane Swindles” (still ongoing). Worse science than “Room Temperature Fusion”, worse than “Polywater”, or the “DDT hoax” for it is much bigger and will cause much more human suffering. I mean, the DDT hoax only killed 20-25 million people, mostly children. Paltry deaths compared to what the Global Warming scare might cause. The global warming barbarians are among us, rending their garments and gnashing their teeth, so “Beware the Jabberwock, my son, The jaws that bite and the claws that catch!”
Of all the things I’ve recommended here over the last few years, this documentary is probably the most important. Did I say that I hope you’ll watch it? G]Laugh at Global Warming all you like but this is the real thing and I should know I’ve been through a few apocalypses.
According to my rough count (and roughly in order), I’ve come through -
The Population Explosion
The Coming Ice Age
Resource Depletion
Oil supplies running out
The inevitable global Nuclear War
Global Nuclear Winter
The Millenium Bug
Oil supplies running out (again)
and SARS,but Global Warming is the big one…
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2007 03 12 at 02:11 AM • permalink#44 - The one I’m always reading about, that has had no positive knock on effect for me, is the “Great Man Drought”. If the media are right, I should be pulling more roots than a backhoe in a market garden.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 12 at 02:21 AM • permalink#46 - Mrs. Infidel’s out there somewhere. At the moment she’s better hidden than Fred Nile’s porn stash. But as they say “you gotta slay a lot of dragons to get to the princess”.
p.s - If we could keep my marital status on qt. it would be appreciated. Don’t want too many alley cats sniffing around the old tiger lair.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 12 at 03:01 AM • permalink#25 Wimpy Canadian
In our universe, as it is known, effect cannot precede cause.
It can, as time is completely symmetrical. We just perceive time as flowing forward. (However, for everyday purposes, you’re right. :) )
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 03 12 at 03:13 AM • permalinkThis guy is doing his own statistical analysis of Australian and Antartic temperature data. He finds a small amount of warming but shows conclusively it can’t be caused by CO2 levels. Scroll down. He has analysed data from quite a number of stations.
BTW the whole AGW circus seems to be built on changes in daily min/max temperatures, which it seems are not a reliable measure of global temperatures.
#44. You forgot Mad Cow Disease and Ebola.
And as for the Great Man Drought, IT, I can’t remember the last time I met a real man. What do they look like again?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 12 at 05:19 AM • permalinkI am losing sleep over this.
Over the last few weeks, I’ve been laying awake at nights thinking of variousschemesproducts that I couldbilk millions of dollars from the frenzied soon-to-drown masses of dimwitssell to concerned responsible citizens. I’m thinking along the lines of repackaging some time honored products:
Home CO2 Extractor (aka: house plant)
Chemical-free Lawn Care Products (aka: manure)
Zero Energy Consumption Laundry Drying Devices (aka: clothes line)
Environmentally Friendly Restrooms (aka: outhouse)
Low Water Consumption Dishwasher (aka: bucket)And perhaps developing some new technologies as well:
Automotive Wind Sail Adapter Kits
Multi-passenger Hang-gliders
Pedal Powered Trolleys/BusesWell the reason she was using the global warming thing was as an excuse to push through more nuclear power (which would have been a good thing). Its a shame it got out of hand though but there is some irony in the fact the hard-left are using something dreamed up by Thatcher as their cudgel.
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2007 03 12 at 05:38 AM • permalink50. You forgot Mad Cow Disease and Ebola.
Fair point. can anyone else point out any other apocalypses that I’ve missed or forgotten?Posted by Harry Buttle on 2007 03 12 at 06:06 AM • permalink#54
That reminds me:
Preservatives (primarily BHT and BHA)
Leaded Paint
Leaded Gasoline
PCB
R-12 and R-22 (I’ll bet none of the opponents lived in Texas)And on the not-quite-apocalyptic list:
Beverage Can Pull Tabs (I remember entire beer joint parking lots paved with them)
Plastic Six-pack rings (because someone allegedly saw a bird wearing one around its neck)
Lead bird shot
Bottle RocketsUh, Lead is a poison. We are better off without it.
I do remember however when the govt told us that we should eat mostly carbohydrates. They decided that we should eat like Italian peasants and pushed the food pyramid on us.
Turns out that one of the best ways to lower your cholestoral is to chuck the carbs and eat lots of eggs and bacon. Whodathunkit? Not the nannies in govt, that’s for sure.
To this day, you will still get denialists defending a high carb diet, even though you can trace the world famous US obesity epidemic to it.
#44: “this is the real thing and I should know I’ve been through a few apocalypses.”
Did any one else read this and think of ‘Life of Brian’?
Brian: I am NOT the Messiah!
Arthur: I say you are Lord, and I should know. I’ve followed a few.Posted by Villeurbanne on 2007 03 12 at 07:11 AM • permalink#54
According to the C4 program, Chlorine is (or was) in the cross hairs.
Correct and from what I can see, chlorine now has all but been eliminated from many useful medicines. The replacement is a step back in time to sulphur derivatives - a totally uselss alternative. So nowdays if you want a good disinfectant it’s best to go swim in the sea for all the good these ‘modern’ medicines are.
But that’s nothing if the Great Goebell Swindlers get their way. It will be a real back to the future as set out in the excellent channel 4 documentary. So it will be mud huts, insanitary water and cooking with animal dung for all we great unwashed.
But please don’t forget the EUSSR, that other great bastion of modern totalitarian control with their huge strides along this road. Ah the fun: directives such as REACH requiring all products to be proved safe (an impossibility), removing lead from solder and so on…. and, oh yes the the bullshit precautionary principle elevated to a religious status to seize yet more power and control over their hapless people.
#57
Uh, Lead is a poison. We are better off without it.
No we are not, unless you are partial to eating the stuff. Lead is perfectly safe in many applications: for example from what I have read there is no evidence of any real danger of leaded petrol. But as I alluded to above, another example of lead in solder is a perfectly valid use where the result is an excellent product. The alternative solder costs more, requires a higher temperature and the joints are more likely to fail. The benefits - none.
The reason that this is happening - EUSSR hell bent on regulating every conceivable product, good or service in their and everyone else’s world.
#34 and in another touching episode of Never argue with a moonbat, I tried the Martian ice-caps gambit (see #17) and she scoffed “There can’t be ice caps on Mars, there isn’t any water!”
And yet she feels confident in dictating to others on the basis of her scientific “knowledge”.
Uh, Lead is a poison. We are better off without it.
Naw. It has its uses. Toy soldiers/miniatures just aren’t the same without it. With lead, the little bits could be bent out of shape and just bent back; with the new pewter alloys, you can only do that once or twice before they snap in two.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2007 03 12 at 08:05 AM • permalink#57 moptop: Uh, Lead is a poison. We are better off without it.
Rubbish. It’s an element (a metal specifically) not a poison. You aren’t better off without ANY element, just better off knowing proper application (you know, like Rob Crawford suggests). I’m certain anyone working with radioactive substances would disagree with your assessment as well.
What really got me going was the sight of all those fat UN cats in their SUVs arriving at an air conditioned meeting to discuss how they were going to deprive Africans from the benefits of having electricity so they can stop dying before they reach forty. Shades of the Un having meetings in 5 star hotels about scheduling meetings in Djarkata over the tsunami and criticising the yanks and the aussies for getting straight in and helping the survivors.
#52 You forgot water conservation device (rainbarrel).
Elizabeth
Imperial KeeperPosted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2007 03 12 at 12:44 PM • permalink#8 Durkin’s latest film has won him the accolade – or perhaps slur – of being the ‘anti-Al Gore’
Heresy! Everyone here knows that Timblair (PBUH) is the Anti-Algore!
There is no blog but Timblair’s, and Andrea is his administrator…
Posted by Don Charleone on 2007 03 12 at 01:01 PM • permalinkRadon- This can be a problem, but it’s hyped.
Oil based paint- First lead based paint was taken away. Now oil based paint is being phased out. Killer fumes don’tcha know.
California is now banning dy cleaning fluid.
treated lumber- since it has traces of arsenic, wards of termites and lasts longer (thus slowing our insatiable appetite for Gaia’s remaining tree) it must be banned. The only place where anough arsenic could leach out would be a lumber yard.
Glass- another killer. Most places in the US will not allow replacement glass to be sold for doors and some windows. You have to use plexiglass.
#57—moptop: I think you need to do a little dietary and nutrition homework.
First of all, you’re not going to lower cholesterol, which comes from animal fat, by eating more animal fat. Note: pasta contains no cholesterol.
Second, the guidelines stressed “complex” carbohydrates (fruits and vegetables), as apposed to “simple” carbohydrates (many processed foods and sugars, i.e. junk food).
Third, obesity (or weight gain) is a result in ingesting food (caloric intake) in excess of physical activity (caloric burn). Obesity is a function of calories, not carbohydrates.
I realize there are a lot of “C” words herein. It gets confusing.
You want good nutrition? Consume a wide variety of fresh foods, and avoid processed foods and sugars, especially junk food and desserts. Everything in moderation, nothing in excess.
You want a diet that results in a normal or “fit” weight or body mass index? Reduce your caloric intake and increase your physical activity and exercise.
Cheers.
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