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INTOLERANCE WATCH
A bigot is on the loose, friends. But what form does her bigotry take? Choose from the following:
a) I have a particular group of friends who I adore. They are heterosexual. They also have two very close mates who are openly homosexual. When I discovered this I was very shocked, and didn’t deal with it very well ... I’m not so juvenile as to view them with open contempt (I also value my friendship with the others too much to hurt them), but there’s certainly a wall up.
It is a personal decision. I’m happy where I stand.
b) I have a particular group of friends who I adore. They are Catholic. They also have two very close mates who admit to being Muslims. When I discovered this I was very shocked, and didn’t deal with it very well ... I’m not so juvenile as to view them with open contempt (I also value my friendship with the others too much to hurt them), but there’s certainly a wall up.
It is a personal decision. I’m happy where I stand.
c) I have a particular group of friends who I adore. They are white. They also have two very close mates who married Asians. When I discovered this I was very shocked, and didn’t deal with it very well ... I’m not so juvenile as to view them with open contempt (I also value my friendship with the others too much to hurt them), but there’s certainly a wall up.
It is a personal decision. I’m happy where I stand.
d) I have a particular group of friends who I adore. They are rabid lefties. They also have two very close mates who openly vote Liberal. When I discovered this I was very shocked, and didn’t deal with it very well ... I’m not so juvenile as to view them with open contempt (I also value my friendship with the others too much to hurt them), but there’s certainly a wall up.
It is a personal decision. I’m happy where I stand.
Answer: d! Leftoid Marieke Hardy, who’ll hector you about the importance of diversity and tolerance until your head caves in, can’t imagine befriending any of the 4,741,458 Australians who voted Liberal at the last election:
I’m afraid I can’t get past politics in a friendship ... I know my parents have Liberal voting friends, and my communist grandfather was good buddies with Barry Humphries, who is an out-and-out Tory. I’m glad that they could see past politics to break bread with their comrades and neighbours, but it’s just too big a deal for me. It’s too important.
Shun Australia’s 281,575 Muslims and you’re intolerant. Shun four million Howard voters and you’re progressive.
From the looks of her blog, Ms. Hardy is one angry, foul-mouthed wench.
Hasn’t that been par for the course on the Left since the fall of the Soviet Union?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 03 15 at 12:56 PM • permalinkNow who will I take to the Vanity Fair Oscar Party?
Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 03 15 at 01:16 PM • permalinkWhat’s the problem?
I don’t have any friends on the left. I find most lefties stupid and irritating. Should I go befriend some? And if so why?
Posted by Gun Crazy (dir. Joseph H. Lewis) on 2006 03 15 at 04:45 PM • permalinkOnce agian I must be a lone voice of reason on this thread. If I had any friends, their voting patterns would be one of the first things I would look for.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 05:07 PM • permalinkI’d say there’s a difference between not befriending someone because you find them stupid and irritating, and not befriending someone because they’re a lefty.
Or being friends with one until they spout off about politics, upon which you shun them.
Me, I tend to advise friends to just not talk about politics around me, or I try to steer conversations away from it. Considering where I live (Bay Area) and the nature of most such friends (gay), it’s the only way I’d have any kind of social life at all. (I’ve had a number of lefty friends shun ME as soon as they found out about my politics; one long-time friend of my roommate’s even started sending him death threats upon discovering his views.)
Posted by Brian Tiemann on 2006 03 15 at 05:11 PM • permalinkGod where i live (canberra) if i didn’t have any lefty friends I wouldn’t have any friends.
This sort of intolerance of political opinion i’ve only ever personally encountered from the left. It’s usually found in the more humourless examples of the species. It’s part of their belief system that says they have the only correct and moral views and so their contempt for non-believers is justified. Their desire for diversity never extended to political beliefs.
Islamic clerics will be trained in Australian universities. What are they going to learn how to make flag burning kits? And it’s free to Islamics and funded by the government while we have to work freak’n three jobs to get a junior diploma?
Tim, start up a uni and a religion, and you can get funding.
Puter says: tap tap.. no
Actually since you wrote that it has gone up to 281,582.
One’s heart has to keep expanding for these new arrivals.
All this Islamophobia!
Why condemn all those young religious Aussie Muslims to life in a putrid maddrassa in Pakistan ?
ISLAMIC clerics will be trained in Australian universities under a proposal by Muslim leaders to prevent students being radicalised by fundamentalist teaching in the Middle East.‘Home-grown imams will be able to study in Melbourne and Sydney, using a curriculum that emphasises spiritual rather than political Islam, under the plans being drawn up by an arm of John Howard’s Muslim Community Reference Group’
from Today’s AUSTRALIAN.Will Christianity and Judaism be next? -or are they not POLITICAL enough to warrant Gov help?
And will there be a “rush” to attend these courses and miss out on the “extra courses” on “defence”.
Margos maid,
I hate to break it to you but you are not the lone voice of reason on this occasion. If Lefties are shoving politics in your face, talk about it constantly, show suspicion or contempt for your viewpoint or your lifestyle, then absolutely give them the boot.
But if on the other hand you have common ground, they don’t give a rats arse where you live, what you drive, or who you vote for, then just be friends! Not every “lefty” is a card-carrying member of Greenpeace. Do you really have to sit around earnestly talking politics for hours to be friends with someone? I hope not. It’s good to have diversity in your friends. Have friends that are for political bitch-sessions, friends for drinking with, friends for gossiping with, friends for playing sport with, friends for working with.Posted by daddy dave on 2006 03 15 at 05:50 PM • permalinkThanks Daddy D
Sometimes I come across like-minded Saddam supporters, only to discover they have only luke-warm feelings for Kim Jong-il or Fidel, or maybe they have given up on Mark Latham or Cheryl Kernot altogether.
It’s a long and lonely road…
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 06:05 PM • permalink#12 Interesting bit about your roommate’s leftie friend sending death threats.
That didn’t happen to me, but I received an email from a left-wing “friend” expressing the wish that I would die soon so I wouldn’t be able to spread my nasty right-wing views anymore. I like to think about that occasionally when I’m posting to my blog. :)
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 03 15 at 06:16 PM • permalinkI’m with #13 on this. Being in law/government/publishing circles, I’m surrounded by lefties and would be completely friendless and a virgin if I didn’t hold my tongue on political matters.
Despite the fact that there must - statistically - be a huge bunch of Howard voters at large, I’m not seeing them anywhere. Are they completely absent from the low-mid-20s/white-collar demographic? Where are the yuppies?
Posted by Tommy Two Tone on 2006 03 15 at 06:24 PM • permalinkHopefully Marieke will just get on with writing her next guaranteed-to-tank cutting edge TV drama about young inner-city groovers. What would she do if one of her friends were a muslim/gay who votes for Howard? Tough choice, Marieke. She’s Frank Hardy’s granddaughter, so she represents our best chance to isolate the self-righteous lefty bullshit gene.
e) I have a particular group of friends who I adore. They are intelligent and well educated. They also have two very close mates who are dog-watching-television stupid, and liberal to boot. When I discovered this I was very shocked, and didn’t deal with it very well ... I’m not so juvenile as to view them with open contempt (I also value my friendship with the others too much to hurt them), but there’s certainly a wall up.
It is a personal decision. I’m happy where I stand.
I dont have many lefty friends. Its not that I dont like them to start.
Its just that, after a while its like playing Pac-Man with only one level, going round’n'round gobbling up the same old ghosts over and over.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2006 03 15 at 08:21 PM • permalinkCognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon first identified by Leon Festinger. It occurs when there is a discrepancy between what a person believes, knows and values, and persuasive information that calls these into question. The discrepancy causes psychological discomfort, and the mind adjusts to reduce the discrepancy. In ethics, cognitive dissonance is important in its ability to alter values, such as when an admired celebrity embraces behavior that his or her admirers deplore.
Posted by doleblogger on 2006 03 15 at 08:40 PM • permalinkTim,
You make an excellent point - one that is salient to all.
Through the comments, it’s also clear that this phenomenon is certainly not one limited to Lefties.
I have many socially conservatives friends, most are members of the Uniting Church.
One more thing, Tim - You appear to be saying that you’re shunning 257,000 Muslims. I thought it was only fundamentalist Islam you took issue with? Also, how many leftoid friends do you have?
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 15 at 08:45 PM • permalinkTim doesn’t say that he’s shunning 275,000 Muslims at all, Gustov.
Here’s some context for your comment.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 03 15 at 09:03 PM • permalinkShun Australia’s 281,575 Muslims and you’re intolerant. Shun four million Howard voters and you’re progressive.
Evil Pundit, Those are Tim’s words. The second sentence is referring to Ms Hardy, however, who does the first sentence refer to?
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 15 at 09:10 PM • permalinkLibertarian/Righties want to be left alone.
Lefties want to make you work 40-60% longer for the same standard of living, and use your extorted money to harm you.
I’m suprised anyone on the right has got any spit left to gob at these disgusting parasites and their religion of murderous slavery.
socialism is slavery.
I can only aspire to be like Gusty who is clearly as morally superior as he is accurate in his summations.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 09:11 PM • permalinkBeneath the whackiness, there is a constant and dangerous theme of the left - talk about rights is usually about group rights. So tolerance is really only extended to designated groups, who leftists consider oppressed, marginal etc. So by this group rights approach, it isn’t intolerant to shun Liberals because any individual who is a Liberal isn’t part of a group to whom tolerance is to be extended.
rinardman, margos maid etc..
So tell me, what was Tim’s point then? Who is shunning 258,000 Muslims?
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 15 at 09:19 PM • permalinkGusty
I cannot go past your summation, and that would have to be muslim-shunner wing-nut Tim-mmmmay “fair and reasonable” neo-con wannabe Bla-eurgh.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 09:24 PM • permalinkFunny, Gusty, I recall prominent members of the left accusing Australia of being racist. As in, shunning Muslims. Maybe that’s what Tim’s point is, hmmmm?
Y’know…....hypocrisy!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 03 15 at 09:27 PM • permalink#32 The second sentence is referring to Ms Hardy, however, who does the first sentence refer to?
Anyone who shuns Australia’s 281,575 Muslims.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 03 15 at 09:35 PM • permalinkI’m not intolerant. I only shun 102,573 of Australia’s 281,575 Muslims.
Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 03 15 at 09:55 PM • permalinkI have spent 28 years working with people whose job it was to kill people and break things. With rare exceptions, they would accept anybody into their ranks, encourage them to succeed, and cheerfully donate off duty time to community and charitable efforts. I would characterize most of these people as ranging from mildly conservative to apolitical. Conversely I spent one (miserable) year as a public school employee. While there were some nice, decent folks, collectively they were some of the meanest, self-involved, backstabbing sons of bitches I ever met in my life. 90% of them were politically to the left of heck, I dunno, Lenin. It was an education to say the least.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 03 15 at 09:55 PM • permalink#37. Clearly English is not DeLefts first language. The evidence points to his having no language skills at all. Evil Pundit has given a concise answer to his/her question, but she/he wont understand it. It is necessary to walk him through Tim’s lucid comment. Now DeLeft, try to concentrate. (1) Tim is saying that anyone who shuns all Muslims is intolerant. This is a view that has been strongly propunded by Ms. Hardy and the leftist cadre. (In fact, the Hardy boys have taken a great leap on this one, advocating that anyone who shuns any Muslim is intolerant. (2) The second sentence refers to Ms Hardy. (3) What do we learn from these observations? Clearly Ms. Hardy has a double standard, no shunning of one group, shunning of another (4) But Ms Hardy and the cadre of leftishits advocate tolerance and diversity. So what do we learn from all these observation? Clearly, Ms. Hardy and all the Hardites are in conflict with their own principles. Put more clearly, they are twitty hypocrites. Now go to bed and maybe the good fairy will bring you an English grammar in the night.
Gusty
This is you cue to be a victim and tell us how offended you are. Remember the troll commandments comrade: victimhood is power, and it’s all about me.
Go to it with my blessing.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 10:06 PM • permalinkI use to be a book publisher and have suggested to a couple of publishers that they check out your website and get in touch..........
I look foward with baited breath to the launch of this pearl, which will no doubt replicate the success of her last visual opus.
I’d love to know what this literate lexicon used to publish- Boganese for Beginners perhaps?
Maybe the ‘Goyle is not just back at WD, she’s touting for talent- after all, in her fantasy world WD was in the publishing business.
(BTW- if you have the stomach, read through all of the comments- this one stands out for peurile, adolescent pathos:-
I defy any red blooded male, whether or not they are a dork, to meet Ms. Fits and not develop one of the following:A. a raging boner
B. a debilitating crush
C. an undying devotion to herOr, in some cases, all three.
Bloody hell, talk about instant soft-on; the hatful looks like this old fart in a fright wig.
If she gives this poor bastard a stiffy, Mister Squiggle had better be wearing cast iron undies.
So Muslims don’t vote for Howard? Why the distinction between Muslims and Howard voters?
There’s plenty of affluent Muslims in Australia. That’s why this conspiracy theory about sharia law that gets taken way too seriously by too many politicians will never happen. Never ever.
Go shopping in Auburn sometime and you’ll see that, for the most part, the women are totally in charge of the men and the families and they love all the best things that Western capatilism and democracy brings.
Some will try and isolate the affluent Muslim Liberal voters by tying them to extremist hate talk, but they don’t seem to care too much about this bigotry. Big, bold, better-future dreams always beat the hearts still filled with hate.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 15 at 10:32 PM • permalink#50 Rebecca
I would also like to think that Gusty is just pretending to be a complete fuckwit, but he is very convincing.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 15 at 10:44 PM • permalinkWhats with Ms Hardy and the foul mouth?
Tourettes?Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 03 15 at 10:53 PM • permalinkExtremely unconvincing people. So what you’re suggesting is that Tim’s example is a strawman? Ok, got it.
Apparently Hardy’s grandfather was a commie. Poor thing, and she’s certainly not very attractive either.
By the way, I’m still wondering how many leftoid friends Tim has.
One more thing - You make an assumption that I like Hardy - I DON’T. She’s a horrid shrill.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 15 at 11:23 PM • permalink#s 11 and 16:
Meh, I have plenty of lefty friends; we argue about politics all the time. It’s entertaining, gives you something to talk about between swallows of beer, and keeps both sides of the political spectrum aware of what the other side is saying and doing. For example, one of them recently set me the task of watching that internet film, “Loose Change 9/11”, about how 9/11 was all a US government conspiracy (I swear I’m not making this up), etc. It gave me a chance to point out all the flaws (read lies and distortions) in it to him. He now thinks it’s a load of crap. Lefty friends open the door to dialogue. And we’ve all seen what closing off dialogue does (everyone say “radical Islam” after me). :-)
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 03 15 at 11:32 PM • permalink#55- I suggest an immediate suit be launched for substantial damages over this vile slur- Heideleberg is clearly defaming Mr Blair and besmirching his character with the assertion that Mr Blair would be a willing participant in such a bestial act, and has asserted that Mr Blair has a sick, twisted and perverted attraction to being hoovered by a commie mutant who closely resembles a former children’s television presenter, now believed deceased.
I’ll brief it ut for 10% of the gross.
(Or 20% of the video rights if Heidelberg’s right, it’d make a motza on the squarehead weirdo market).
#59 “I’m still wondering how many leftoid friends Tim has.” Here we go again. When a leftoid is backed against the wall and has nothing to say, the MO is to change the subject. Gusty, how many friends of any kind Tim has is not a matter that will change the fact that Hardy and the Hardleftites are raging hypocrites. Try to stick to the post and not try to divert with wonderings that wander about in the cavern that should contain a brain. Oh, and don’t give yourself such credit, “I got it”. No, sadly, you haven’t. I see you still can’t comprehend a simple thought. Try snuggling up to a good elementary English text. Finally, I personally never made the assumption that you like Hardy. I’ve come to the conclusion that your feckless attempts at attention getting, which have temporarily succeeded, show that you don’t like anyone much except yourself. I for one will not find it difficult to skip your illiterate ponderings hereon.
#62- I had the misfortune to spend 18 hours in that blighted burg a few weeks ago, and I can only concur. Not much has changed since my last visit during the peak of the Keating era- why a commercial broadcaster even bothers to transmit is beyond me- talking to peanuts there is like conversing with a room full of zombies chanelling Kerry O’Brien.
Gusty
Since the right/left continuum is now largely redundant, it would be more relevant to inform us if you have any friends who are not fuckwits.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 16 at 12:08 AM • permalinkThat’s great. Is anyone able to make a point with foul language or personal insult?
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 16 at 12:12 AM • permalinkExcellent Gusty
Now you are moving on to Troll Guidelines #47
You are a very excellent troll indeed
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 16 at 12:19 AM • permalinka friend of mine recently moved back to Massachussetts where he and his wife grew up. When deciding on a town to live in, his wife checked the voter roles and any town who voted over x% (not sure what the cut-off line was but it was pretty low) for Bush, was crossed off the list. My first thought was “that means she feels that I, my wife, my parents, her parents, brothers, sisters etc. are not fit to be their neighbors.” Having only lived in Boston and San Francisco, she probably doesn’t even know any Republicans (that she knows of anyway).
#52: Blech! The Mona Beasta.
Wronwright: I got a call from some Cro Magnon-type who spoke with what I took to be a New Jersey accent. It was difficult to understand him, but I’m pretty sure I caught the phrase “sleeping with the fishes”. I presume Rove can hide me somewhere in the witness protection program - again? And I do not mean in Gary, Indiana; that gig working as tail-gunner on an ice cream truck was far too stressful.
Lucky lefty trolls have such empty skulls. Otherwise all that spew would make their heads hurt, I would think.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 03 16 at 12:46 AM • permalinkDon’t try and be nice, Gusty, they do this to their own as well, which doesn’t do much to prove the argument that the Left are unable to engage in civilised discussion with the Right.
Loopy Lefist : “I see your point why the War might be necessary, but there’s also a lot to be said for trying to…”
Raging Right : “Shut the F..K Up, Smegma Head! You Should Have Been A Sploor Stain On Your Daddy’s Sheets! They Will Cut Your Head Off If You Don’t Convert Today!”
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 01:05 AM • permalinkPaco—That pool worked out okay last time. Have long DID you hold your breath, anyway?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 16 at 01:20 AM • permalinkI thought people like her died out in the 1980s - guess I was wrong. She wants to be like BOB ELLIS??? She thinks Neighbours is mentioning God too much?
And of course she manages to get in the obligatory ‘C’ word. Shock horror.
What self-respecting Howard voter would want to be ‘friends’ with this boring feral leftie clone who has probably never had an original thought? Life is too short to waste on idiots.
#77 A few tips for Bob Ellis wannabes
# Develop a preternatural ability to be wrong about everything (use Fairfax letter pages as your guide)
# Slavishly copy the style of Sir Les Patterson, including the dribble
# Drink excessively
# Get people pregnant out of wedlock (could be tricky for females)
# Work for the Byron Shire Echo
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 16 at 01:42 AM • permalink#62, there are a few non-leftoids here in Canberra but you wouldn’t notice us amongst all the “No HoWARd”, “war is terrorism”, “public education works”, “I support [insert leftie cause] so don’t blame me” bumper stickers on virtually every car, or the sanctimonious cyclists (“get out of my way peasant, don’t you know I’m saving the planet?).
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 03 16 at 02:10 AM • permalinkHey, I live in Canberra, and I know my plenty of non-leftoids….
...well….two.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 03 16 at 02:42 AM • permalink#74 - So you reckon that Leftists, although obviously loopy, are somehow paragons of virtue and civilised, detached discourse in blogdom and elsewhere? Loopy, but rage-free? Ever playing the ball and not the man?
I beg to differ. The way Mark Bahnisch and his rabid pack of sycophantic Lefty attack dogs got stuck into Sophie Masson on the old Troppo Armadillo (now Club Troppo) site, and then carried on with the vile shit over onto Lavartus Prodeo, not so long ago, was absolutely disgusting.
The problem with halo-wearing Leftoid Fucktard sooks is that they don’t mind giving it, but don’t like taking it.
Marieke Hardy’s blog meets standard leftoid criteria, it is narcissistic, intellectually peurile, and written by a self-absorbed, butt-ugly part time rugmuncher. Not that there is anything wrong with that, should she make rugmunching videos, I think they would be far more commercially successful than anything else she has written.
But a worthless blog by an utterly worthless person living a worthless life.
Why are this sort of rabid, drooling lefty women such humourless, shallow freaking gronks? Is it genetic, or what?
At least lefties tend not to breed, being self-centred. And they wonder why they are losing ground and influence!
MarkL
Canberra#82, New to Blogotics, few months in anyway, so I haven’t followed the raging, boiling, storming seas of Left Vs Right Australian blogopedium for long enough.
Just don’t see much anger or fury from the Leftists now, or in the past few months, they all seem to have gone very soft, very quiet.
Some of the Right can still get worked up into a frenzy, which is what I was referring to before.
Haven’t seen Club Troppo, might have to spend an evening going back through Lefty Blog Archives and see what they used to be like, before they all went on medication.
I can’t be a Lefty then (even a closet one), I think it can be a good thing to learn how to soak up insults, criticism and raging bile spews, there might be truth amongst it all worth learning.
Fucktard is definitely one of the best new words I’ve learned, already spreading fast amongst friends.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 03:21 AM • permalink#74 Oh LLL and Gustov that’s not true. Please show where I’ve every been impolite?
Whenever I try to talk to a leftie, they go off topic and will never follow through on a single line of thought, so I’m sure you’ll appreciate it if I occasionally get a little frustrated.
Love and Kisses,
—NoraPosted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 03 16 at 03:29 AM • permalinkLeftieLatteLover
My favourite “new” word from the world of blogs is “assclown”. Dont ask me why it just works on so many levels.Lefty mates are fun, you only have to mention Latham and they start to shake and gibber and break out in hives.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 03 16 at 03:32 AM • permalinkNewsflash : Australian Rightist columnist Piers Hackerman confronted protestors at a Condi Rice event in Sydney and he has been assaulted by…the ground.
The radio made it sound like he got jumped and copped a thrashing, but the TV (one angle) shows him reaching for a protestor’s mic and then falling up the gutter (only one angle shown). Some actually tried to stop his slow-mo fall, and one hand may have pushed, or may have been reaching to help. Hard to tell. Protestors didn’t look angry, most were laughing.
Lawsuits will fly!
The Hackerman : “I’m sick of these people trying to stop free speech.”
(excuse the off topic invasion)
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 03:34 AM • permalinkIt is nice of LLL to not provide a link.
Lets go to the story as reported.
“Police made no early arrests but had to go to the rescue of The Daily Telegraph columnist Piers Akerman, who was being jostled by protesters.
The Stop the War Coalition says Dr Rice is a “war criminal” and is not welcome in Australia.”
Did anyone mention Loopy Lefists and their civilised discussion?
It’s a lot easier (and more exciting!) to imagine suppression of ideas or accusations of treason, racism, hatred and moral superiority than it is to actually experience them. It is much easier to stand on your soap box and proclaim your philosophy as truth than to have to make it work in the real world. I have a lot of university educated friends. They are almost all of them ignorant lefty tards of the highest order. Not that all who have been to uni are like this, but from my (limited) experience, Australian Unis churn them out like a turbo powered sausage caser. They are fine people, just do NOT talk politics or mention the war.
Actually righties are far better at creative insults. I like asshat.
The person named -
Mark L
CanberraAppears to be a very angry person. This isn’t the unbalanced crude Mark L that almost became PM, is it? Has the same vocabulary and bile.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 16 at 03:51 AM • permalink#88, pretty hard to provide a link to live radio and TV. I relayed what I heard on radio and then saw on TV. The Ack may have been jostled before he tried to have his say on the loudspeaker, but they didn’t show it.
Rice a “war criminal”? Bloody lefties, that should be “alleged war criminal”. Only half an hour before she faces off against Red Kerry. Prediction : Red Kerry will try to flirt, Rice will give him the ‘stink eye’ and he will flubber and shrink under that glare. Is Rice likely to run for Prez in 2008?
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 04:01 AM • permalink#83 - Florida Cracker has a post relevant to Ms Hardy-
‘only the name lives on’.Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2006 03 16 at 04:04 AM • permalinkThis sounds similar to something Hannie Rayson said when she was preparing to write her play, Two Brothers. She had no idea what people of the Right were like, so she had to go out and study them like they were a sociological experiment.
Personally, I distrust people who can’t get on with people with different views. It bespeaks a lack of confidence and insularity. Mind you, I have no desire to get on with Hardy because she is a bloody f**king b*tch who swears too much.
Posted by Major Anya on 2006 03 16 at 05:05 AM • permalink#72 Wronwright: I got a call from some Cro Magnon-type who spoke with what I took to be a New Jersey accent. It was difficult to understand him, but I’m pretty sure I caught the phrase “sleeping with the fishes”. I presume Rove can hide me somewhere in the witness protection program - again? And I do not mean in Gary, Indiana; that gig working as tail-gunner on an ice cream truck was far too stressful.
Oh don’t be a wuss. You’re a neocon. One of Karl’s minions. Confront the guy. Let him know who’s boss. And if worse comes to worse, just mention the word: Eulalie.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 03 16 at 07:06 AM • permalinkThere are the lefties who are shocked and angered by any expression of opinion which differs from current lists of pink orthodoxies, e.g. Israel-bad, Palestine-good; capitalism-bad, statism-good; anglo-celtic-bad; ‘ethnic’-good, etc.
These guys people the category ‘vulgar marxist’. They are not interested in argument or reason; leftism is their faith. Ironically, they are far less rational than the many Christians they describe as superstitious. These are the types who specialise in being ‘offended’. Sanctimony and indignation are their substitutes for persuasion.
The other kind of leftie is not a pushover and helps you discover what being on the right really means.
I’m scared of Rob Read, and I’m not even a socialist.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 03 16 at 08:15 AM • permalink#100, get over the whole ‘Marxist’ thing. They were stupid comedians from so long ago that the world was still in black and white.
I know there were a few very talented brothers - Harpo, Chico, Groucho, Karlo - and they may have made some funny jokes, back then, but you’re living in the past, dude, get into the 21st century.
Rob Read, I would like to formally declare my allegiance to whatever new purge of known enemies you are advocating. I completely agree with anything you’ve said, are saying, and will say in the future.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 08:43 AM • permalinkI recently had a cease fire with a friend who had left the island to complete her PHD at stateside university. We used to have some interesting debates that usually ended up with her screeching she was right and I was wrong so we agreed not to discuss politics…Well that lasted about as long as a palestinian truce.
It started with an E-mailed Jimmy Carter editorial and rather quickly escalated after I shot back with a single Michael Yon link and some fact-checking on the Carter piece.
My “friend” shot back with both barrels of BS about how she couldn’t believe that I would “violate the agreement with political stuff” and that I was so “mean and intolerant” that we “probably shouldn’t” continue corresponding.
I wrote back that I happened to agree on the corresponding part.
Adi f’n os.
Habib — Those aren’t dreadlocks. When you spend that much time with your head up George Soros’ ass things get kinda matted…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 16 at 10:28 AM • permalink#102, no fun. I recommend ‘Duck Soup’ for lunch.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 12:45 PM • permalinkIt’s weird—since 9/11 (or 11/9 for people who live upside down), I have become the “rightest” conservative, and many of my old friends have become lefties AFA Islamism and the war goes. I’m still lefty on certain social issues, more so than they, but they believe I’ve become some kind of intolerant sturm-trooper…
I asked one what she knew about Islam and she said a rep from Islam had come to their church and told them what a tolerant, loving religion it was, and it was too bad I hadn’t bothered to find that out…
Apologies for coming late to this thread. But it surprises me that someone who purports to be a journalist would launch an attack like this based on such flimsy reasoning.
I’ll attempt to analyse your argument based on what you’ve written. A courtesy, it seems, that some of your commenters don’t extend all that often, given the tenor of their fiercely personal attacks on Hardy.
Regarding Hardy’s statement d: it doesn’t seem that she’s advocating any sort of formal division based on political beliefs. It appears to be a personal statement that she couldn’t be friends with anyone with a particular set of values that led to them voting for John Howard. There’s nothing wrong with that. We’re allowed to not be friends with people, surely. And as far as reasonings go, the factors that they consider important in choosing a government would seem to be pretty sound.
With regard to your other concocted statements, a and c are reasonably spurious comparisons and indicative of an attempt at points-scoring rather than a discussion of the issues. For being Asian or homosexual is not something that a person can choose. So deciding not to be friends with someone based on those factors would indeed be bad form - you’d be judging them not on their personal values, but on factors beyond their control.
With regard to concocted statement b, regarding being Muslim or Catholic, it’s a little muddier. Again, religion is in many ways a personal choice to subscribe to a set of values. If those values are so repugnant to you, why shouldn’t you be able to not be friends with someone on that basis? In the case of religion, however, there is also an element of “inheritance” (for want of a better word) where factors other than personal choice enter into the equation. Is it fair to judge someone for being Muslim if it is the only way of life they know? Probably not. But I’d say that if one finds the ethos of Islam completely abhorrent, there’s nothing illegal or immoral in choosing not to be friends with people who willingly subscribe to that point of view. That’s not to say they can be discriminated against, far from it. But it’s okay not to like someone.
To illustrate, I would add another concocted statement, e, replacing Hardy’s “openly vote Liberal” with “are convicted child molesters”. By your reasoning, Tim, it would seem to follow logically that choosing not to befriend those molesters on the basis of their values would constitute a gross act of discrimination, a violation of these principles of “diversity and tolerance”, and be yet another example of the madness of this unified group called “The Left” that you imagine exists.
I don’t think so.
Peter
Please leave the parodies of lefties to me. It’s all I have.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 03 16 at 08:13 PM • permalink#115, Student seeking older woman, must be funny, occasionally vitriolic, must enjoy the music of James Blunt, dancing with plastic clothing dummies and full body immersion in banana custard. Only those interested in world domination via Zionist controlled media conspiracy need reply.
Posted by LeftieLatteLover on 2006 03 16 at 11:26 PM • permalinkPeter
“I’m glad that they could see past politics to break bread with their comrades and neighbours, but it’s just too big a deal for me. It’s too important.”
The left are always talking about the importance of negotiation, reconciliation, dialogue and multilateralism even with adamant terrorists.
Those who want them dead, I guess, are not as threatening as those who merely disagree with them.
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Man there’s nothing like reading a 459-word deconstruction of a 455-word joke to put things into pompous, precious perspective. Prat.Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 03 17 at 02:48 PM • permalink
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Well, it seems the Liberal voters should count themselves lucky. From the looks of her blog, Ms. Hardy is one angry, foul-mouthed wench.