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IGNORANT AND OFFENSIVE
The Sydney Morning Herald’s Mike Carlton:
Hilaly’s remarks on rape were indeed ignorant and offensive ...
But ... but ... but:
... but much of the media campaign against him has been blatant racism and religious bigotry.
Isn’t it terrible that the media should accurately report Hilali’s views?
UPDATE. 1.618: “I refuse to read Mike Carlton.” Most people also refuse to listen to him, as Bonmot notes:
Yes, Carlton is disgusting. His fawning all over Malcolm Fraser quite nauseating.
In the same paper David Marr is basking in Alan Jones’s discomfort at a contempt of court hearing: “The numbers are all wrong this week for Alan Jones: his 2GB ratings are slipping and sales of Jonestown have gone through the roof”.
Which brings us back to Carlton, full circle. Jones’s ratings are apparently ‘slipping’. Jones breakfast ratings on 2GB, current survey, 15.5, last survey 15.6. A mighty drop as we can see.
Contrast this to Jones’s opponent Mike Carlton. Current survey, 7.8, last survey 8.2. No wonder Carlton hates Jones.
When it comes to true liberalism in the Jeffersonian tradition, John Howard is not fit to tie Fraser’s bootlaces.
That’s right, because, as Thomas Jefferson said, “ Tolerance toward Islam is the highest form of patriotism”.
Carlton’s article is so full of fat-headed nonsense that it could have been written by John Kerry on one of his bad days. As to Fraser, perhaps Carlton can help him with those shoelace issues. Or is Fraser, y’know, permitted to have shoelaces?
Mike Carlton is an absolute wanker
Jealous of Alan Jones beating him in the radio ratings survey after survey
Now this pile of crap
In sum, Fraser delivered a blistering condemnation of so much that is rotten about John Howard’s Australia: our subservience to the United States and the folly of joining the Iraq war; the abandonment of David Hicks; the persecution of refugees; the new security laws, which “diminish the rights of all Australians”; the arch-conservative rewriting of our history; the threat to what has been, until now, the world’s most successful multicultural society
Talk to the ordinary person not an elite who swans about in Mike’s circles
The opinion is
Keep the traitor Hicks in Gitmo and throw away the key
As for the rest of his ramblings all I can say is Mike, stick to surfing you must be better at that than listening to what the ordinary Aussie feels mate
Posted by aussiemagpie on 2006 11 03 at 01:01 PM • permalinkHmmmm.
I had no idea you Aussies were “subservient” to us Americans. I wish I’d known before I cleared my yard of autumn leaves.
Sooooo. Boy. Pit me an olive!
j/k
Posted by memomachine on 2006 11 03 at 01:29 PM • permalinkYes, Carlton is disgusting. His fawning all over Malcolm Fraser quite nauseating.
But in the same paper David Marr is basking in Alan Jones’s discomfort at a contempt of court hearing, remarks, “The numbers are all wrong this week for Alan Jones: his 2GB ratings are slipping and sales of Jonestown have gone through the roof”.
Which brings us back to Carlton, full circle. Jones’s ratings are apparently ‘slipping’. Jones breakfast ratings on 2GB, current survey, 15.5, last survey 15.6. A mighty drop as we can see.
Contrast this to Jones’s opponent Mike Carlton. Current survey, 7.8, last survey 8.2. No wonder Carlton hates Jones.
By these figures, if Jones is ‘slipping’ because of a one-point drop, Carlton must have positively tanked with a four-point loss.
BTW Carlton’s figures are easily explained. His program is spiteful, he uses it as a platform to bash conservatives and enemies, it is not funny, it is stale (he uses material from 25 years ago). He is very poorly researched and incapable of carrying an argument in any meaningful way. His discussions with his sidekick normally trail off into a fog of invective and caustic remarks. You only have to read his column in today’s SMH to understand what a peculiar and misery stricken individual he is.
Carlton calls President Bush Shrub. He thinks this the height of hilarity.
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 11 03 at 06:47 PM • permalinkI think all of Mike Carlton’s writings ramblings etc are influenced by one aspect of his character. Carlton imagines that he is the type who would have spoken out and stood up to the Nazi rise in Germany. He sees himself fearless, pointing to the demonization of the jews despite threats on his life and liberty.
Because of this he overreacts to any criticism of multiculturalism or of any non-christian religion imagining that he is countering the rise of a new nazism.
That’s my pop psychology moment for the day. I might see if Chris Masters wants some help on his next book.
I might add that his need to be a hero of liberty are exacerbated by something in his past. Perhaps he didn’t stand up to bullies at school. He cowered and hid when the big kids picked on his friends.
I have no evidence for this of course. But judging by modern biographical standards seems i don’t need to.
Carlton’s radio days stretch way back to the 70s. Fraser’s Prime Ministership was from 1975 to 1983. Is it possible to find some old transcripts of Mikey’s past opinions of his latter day Hero, Mal? Given that my lefty Mother had old wet Mal pegged as being to the right of Khan, Hitler, Mussolini and Franco, I can’t imagine a lefty lovey like Mike was a big fan…
Isn’t politics interesting? Before Fraser began providing lefty soundbites and talking points, he was most often remembered for losing his trousers in a Memphis hotel…
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 03 at 07:14 PM • permalinkFraser a “true liberal in the Jeffersonian tradition”? Does Carlton know what the “Jeffersonian” tradition is?
Jefferson’s vision of the USA was of an agrarian nation primarily, its citizen-farmers interacting freely with each other. These individuals have inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; the latter condemning government to an insignificant role in Jefferson’s USA. That is the Jeffersonian tradition.
Compare with dear old Malcolm Fraser, a crusty old-school protectionist who, when in power, believed that government should interfere deeply in all sectors of the economy and society. That was the defunct regime he inherited, that was the defunct regime he maintained and that defunct regime and the economic sclerosis it enacted proved to be Fraser’s well-deserved political downfall.
Fraser actively campaigned against the racist institutionalised white rule in Rhodesia and South Africa, and thus defended some aspects of Jefferson’s “inalienable rights”. Sadly, this doesn’t excuse Fraser’s deep convictions in large, interfering governments. Not by a long shot.
Whoever singles Fraser out as a “Jeffersonian” liberal is merely exhibiting their own ignorance.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 11 03 at 07:38 PM • permalinkWhat “fabricated fear of muslims”? I really do fear muslims blowing me up, nothing fabricated about that. They do it all the time. I deal with this fear by urging ideaological war on them.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 03 at 08:00 PM • permalink#4 so much that is rotten about John Howard’s Australia:
Good grief. It’s another self-loather with
Bush[\strike] Howard derrangement Syndrom.I tell you, I wish Canada had as much rotten about it as Australia - as fine place.
I think the leftists should get out into the real world where they can escape their fetid mental distortions.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 03 at 08:04 PM • permalinkHoly crap, the world has gone on strike .
Hey, I bloody glad hicks has been abandoned ... to the bum-thumpers in jail I hope.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 03 at 08:06 PM • permalinkTo repeat #4 so much that is rotten about John Howard’s Australia:
Good grief. It’s another self-loather with Bush Howard derrangement Syndrom.
I tell you, I wish Canada had as much rotten about it as Australia - as fine place.
I think the leftists should get out into the real world where they can escape their fetid mental distortions.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 11 03 at 08:07 PM • permalinkJustice Derek Bollen explained to the jury during a rape-in-marriage trial in the South Australian Supreme Court that: “There is , of course, nothing wrong with a husband, faced with his wife’s initial refusal to engage in intercourse, in attempting, in an acceptable way, to persuade her to change her mind, and that may involve a measure of rougher than usual handling”.
Where the TB bloggers up in arms about this guy? I guess not, I mean, he is white and Christian…
Where the TB bloggers up in arms about this guy?
I was - were you?
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 03 at 08:55 PM • permalinkOr should i write:“I was - where you?”
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 03 at 08:56 PM • permalinkI was waiting for that one Kilo. That was in 1992 - 0r 93. Before bloggers - before pretty much anyone but academics had access to the internet. Just shows how far you have to go back to find a public figure in Australia saying something even remotely like Hilali’s. And HIlali’s comments are several orders of magnitude worse.
It’s bigoted to condemn rapists and their apologists in Australia?
You guys better check your new tourists VERY carefully…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 11 03 at 09:20 PM • permalinkWhere was the outrage when the allegations of rape were made against the Canterbury Bulldogs? Where was the demand that the club directors be purged?
At the time the Prime Minister publicly defended the league’s reputation, saying, “I know a lot of people associated with rugby league and they are decent, upright citizens,” and that it is “quite unfair” on the players who have “not been accused of anything” to be subjected to these “generalisations.”
In 2003, Howard kept allegations of rape against then Governor General Hollingsworth a secret for six months until they became public and Hollingsworth was forced to step down.
Ah, here’s a lefty charging to the defense of the religious fascist with a tu quoque.
Who predicted this one? I know someone did, earlier today.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 11 03 at 10:10 PM • permalinkThings that Batter? That was a silly joke by Downer when he was briefly opposition leader - not an endorsement of wife beating. You’ve brought the date forward by about a year or two since he was kicked out in 1995 from memory. And the example is evenly less serious than the Bollen comment in comparison to Hilali.
What are you arguing about kilo?
1. There was condemnation, lots of it about the Bulldogs incident.
2. Those ‘anglo-christians’ who committed rape were, I presume punished by the laws of our country for what they did. What about those who incite or dismiss rape?
3. Funny how we are meant to ‘move on’ over Hilaly’s comments, though Downers’ gaffe still gets a run from the left. Shouldn’t they be more culturally sensitive?
Does anyone remember the “Things that Matter” speech in context? Downer was rattling off Opposition policy areas and a corresponding “Things that *atter” quip. Trying to Google the speech has been edifying - a lot of people (the usual suspect - Margo, Quiggin, etc., seem to believe the speech was about domestic violence and entitled “Thing that Batter”. The whole speech was full of stuff. I can’t remember any specific examples, but I do recall he was saying things like “Diplomacy: The Things That Flatter” and “The Arts:The Things That Spatter”. It was juvenile and ill-considered, but against the background of the silly stuff Downer was saying, hardly ground-shaking and hardly exemplary of Government attitudes towards the issue. It was only Downer’s naivete and Keating’s control of the Press Gallery that blew it up into the issue itis now remembered (faultily) to be.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 04 at 12:34 AM • permalink1. There was condemnation, lots of it about the Bulldogs incident.
Not from the PM, Nic.
What about those who incite or dismiss rape?
So, why no calls to deport Judge Bollen? Because he is white and christian?
3. Funny how we are meant to ‘move on’ over Hilaly’s comments, though Downers’ gaffe still gets a run from the left. Shouldn’t they be more culturally sensitive?
Sounds like the champions of women’s rights on this Blog (supporters of feminism no doubt) have moved on from the Bollen case with great ease…
That Bollen wasn’t deported at the time is the fault of the same Govt. that didn’t deport Hilali when they could. Labor, wasn’t it?
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 04 at 01:26 AM • permalink#11 & #18 Oh yes, Carlton is a riot. He’s been doing Friday News Review for at least 25 years - as he calls Bush President Shrub, so he used to call Reagan, President Hopalong Cassidy. Is that hilarious or what?
Carlton is a great believer in recycling. Especially, what he would call his ‘humour’. Funny as a broken leg. He has a particularly supercillious and superior manner that fairly oozes down the microphone. That’s why his ratings will never increase - anyobody wishing to listen to him is already doing so. Anyway, his natural audience is over at the ABC so he won’t be attracting them anytime soon either.
You all realise he is married to ABC producer Morag Ramsay, Chris Masters’ Four Corners producer of ‘Jonestown’. What an amazing coincidence! Does anybody smell dead rodent here?
He lives up at Whale Beach - not sure where the nearest Mosque is or the nearest enclave of Lebanese Muslims is either, but you can bet your balls Carlton prefers living amongst ‘while folks’. As any private schoolboy, ex-Barker College toff would of course old chap. That’s why, like his pal Philip Adams up there at Ellerston in the idyllic Hunter Valley, they can afford to be so generous in their boosting multiculturalism. They just write glowingly about it. They don’t actually have to live it.
Carlton would be the ultimate example of the hypocritical Bollinger Bolshy. Anyway, with his ratings on the skids it’s pretty hard to see Southern Cross continuing to fork out big dough to him and his puppet FitzSimons. I’d say his days are numbered on Sydney radio. Jones will probably get the last laugh anyway.
Kilo, you seem to have a morbid fetish with this “christian rapist” thing. Four references in six comments. Do you have figures to support your christian rapist theory?
Did you have a bad experience at private school?
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 11 04 at 01:57 AM • permalinkI heard Fraser live on 2gb a day or two ago. He was disgraceful and an embarrassment to himself and his former position. He rambled, almost incoherently, rarely pausing, as if reading a pro sheih catmeat script without his glasses and, hence, missing every third word or so.
Chris Smith, the program host, said after the interview that only respect for an ex-PM had prevented him from terminating their talk. He also stated, in reply to the many calls condemning Fraser, that he would never have him on his program again.
#31 - kilo, you ignorant retard, they were only allegations in the Bulldogs matter. They were false and no charges were ever laid.
Not being Australian, I have no idea about the cases kilo brings up. I can’t help but notice, however, that kilo has a true hate on for white Christians. This tells me that kilo is not only a virulent racist, but really needs to work on the tolerance thing.
I wonder if this is also self-loathing, as well. Projection is a terrible kind of admission.
So, kilo, to sum up:
Muslim youths commit multiple rapes; muslim leader tries to shift blame onto women dressing provocatively
is equivalent in your mind to
Rugby League players (some of whom may be evil white christians) are accused of rape, but neither charged nor convicted; no one tries to blame women for anything
Just what is going on in your tiny little head?
Kilo you seemed to be confusing rapists with people who support or incite rape. As someone else poined out. You don’t need the PM to condemn rapists everytime one occurs - the judicial system does that. This issue is those who incite or condone rape with the old - she was asking for it defense. This defense was not unknown in Australia twenty years plus ago but thankfully we’ve passed that stage.
As i said the bollen case was 15 years ago and there was appropriate condemnation for his silly comments. The thought of deporting him probably never occured because he was a citizen and, i assume, born in Australia. Hilali’s comments were incomparably worse and this was from someone who only scraped into Australia due to political inteference. That fact was probably why people mention deportation - not that i agree with that reaction to his words.
To put it simply - the thought of deportation usually comes up when the person was not born in Australia and hasn’t necessarily taken out citizenship. For example there were no calls to deport the Anita Cobby or Janine Balding rapist/ killers. Instead many called for a special reinstatement of the death penalty- just for them. Deportation i can assure you -sounds mild compared with what the general public wanted to do to those pricks.
I repeat the question: How did Carlton regard Fraser when he was PM? Can anyone remember? How do we find some Carlton vs. Fraser gems from the 70s/early 80s?
Does anyone remember the Mungo McCallum jab: “Crazy Grazier”? Did Carlton have a pet name for Fraser as he did for Ronald Reagan?
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 04 at 02:29 AM • permalinkAt #45 kilo you have really dived. Yes Hilali didn’t rape anyone. That;‘s why he’s not up on charges. He is simply suffering a bit of unpleasant publicity.
As was said often during Hanson’s brief period of fame, free speech doesn’t mean freedom from being called a racist, or an idiot or a dinosaur old relgious fanatic who should retire gracefully and not pass on their poison to the next generation.Hilali’s comments were incomparably worse
Why? Judge Bollen said it was okay to use force your partner to have sex with you!
Sexual assault victim voices support for Al Hilali
3:42 PM November 4A woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted has come out in support of Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali at the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney today.
hmmm…interesting…
46. Muslim youths commit multiple rapes; muslim leader tries to shift blame onto women dressing provocatively
In 2002 the “Bra Boys” (a white gang who all have “Bra Boys” and the Maroubra postcode tattooed on their backs) added 30 assaults on off-duty police to their long list of drug, rape, murder and robbery charges in December alone!Kilo - you have a real thing about christians. I ask again, some numerical references on the instances of christian rape in Australia. I’m not a christian and don’t have any interest other than in the evidence.
And did you have a bad experience at your christian private school? It appears to me that you did. I didn’t, but I went to a public school. Most rabid lefties of course, didn’t.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 11 04 at 02:49 AM • permalinkMalcolm Fraser was the moron who presided over the “settlement” which saw Robert Mugabe installed as Dictator of Zimbabwe in 1980.Only a clown like Carlton could pretend to find any value in his geriatric ramblings on any topic whatsoever.Fraser’s career reached its zenith on the 14th of October 1986 when he was found wandering like a gibbering idiot in the foyer of the Admiral Benbow Inn in Memphis in his underwear.No believable explanation for his trouserless state was ever forthcoming but the confiscation of trousers,wallet etc as a result of a dispute over payment for services rendered seems likely.He’s gone steadily backwards since then.
It is percentages Kilo, percentage of Muslim youth to white Christian dickheads. This Blog is open, as far as I know to allow you to put shit on any arsehole who does the wrong thing by society. But I don’t think defending one bunch of arseholes by bringing up the failures of other dickheads really puts you on a higher moral plane.
#48 AlburyShifton
I would say back in ‘82 Carlton hated Fraser. I can’t rememeber the pet name he was assigned, but remember, Fraser was the catalyst for dumping Gough so Carlton would not have been a fan. Only since Fraser joined the bedwetters would Carlton have taken a shine to him.Funny aside about Fraser. Being a well heeled Western Districts grazier, he did what graziers do. Raise and sell cattle. Well, ol’ Fras was caught red handed lowering the height of his cattle yard pens so that it made his cattle look bigger! True story. What a cack.
I always think of that every time I hear old ‘Easter Island Statue’ open his mouth.
Kilo who said Hanson was denied her right to free speech? Not me. She got way too much airtime as far as i’m concerned. You are shifting your arguments faster everytime. You haven’t addressed one point raised by commenters but simply added increasingly irrelevant analogies.
And at 51 you suggest that what bollen said was as bad as Hilali. Only to someone with exceptionally simplistic reasoning skills. And still Bollen copped it good and proper. And it was a decade and a half ago. Give up chap. Your stretching so far your neck will twist like taffy.
Actually Hanson an interesting example. In my view it was people like carlton who, trying to impress everyone as progressive liberals, gave her so much oxygen by mentioning her at every opportunity. Of course the fact that snobs like carlton were always having a go at her elicted a natural sympathy reaction in areas not populated by ex-arts students.
She was basically some boof head who got elected to parliament on a fluke and got kicked out at the next opportunity.
I will stay on-topic now
56. The point Whale Spinor is that anglo-Christians are as likely to rape as Muslims.
As Howzat says, “But I don’t think defending one bunch of arseholes by bringing up the failures of other dickheads”
I don’t have stats at hand that prove that anglo-Christians are more or less likely to rape than Muslims. Perhaps they are as bad as each other, but that’s not the claim of conservative commentators at the moment.
Some questions for “Kilo”:
Was this Bollen character a Christian?
Like in the same way that Hilal is a Muslim and a leading representative of Islam in Australia?
Neither Christianity nor Islam are expressly racial or ethnic categories. Was Bollen speaking on behalf of Jesus the way Hilali speaks on behalf of Muhummad?
“White” rapist, “black” rapist, “Asian” rapist, etc. may further accurately deliniate a rapist but equating him with a religion would be inaccurate unless the rapist identified himself as such.
So I ask, were the white “Bra Boys” Christians? Were they representing Christianity in any way in their actions? Were they members of a particular church youth group who were committing rapes as an expression of their faith, hope in, or love for their God? Were their actions defended by Church leaders?
Were the “Muslim” men of Middle-eastern ethnicity recently sentenced to jail for rape representing Islam in any way? Did they attend a mosque or Islamic youth group? Did they commit their crimes out of faith in or obedience to their God. Were their actions condemned in the religous texts of their religion? Did their religious leaders condemn them or support them?
Christian rapistis an oxymoron, as I hope Muslim rapistis. That men who may claim to be either might commit rape, is in spite of, not because of, their religious convictions.
My familiarty is with the texts and teachings of the Christian faith so I speak confidently in this regard. My relative lack of familiarty with those of Islam is the only reason for my tentativeness with regard to authentic Muslim behaviour in this matter.
The offensive and false equation of whiteness and Christianity is no better than the automatic equation of middle-eastern and Muslim.
Funny aside about Fraser. Being a well heeled Western Districts grazier, he did what graziers do. Raise and sell cattle. Well, ol’ Fras was caught red handed lowering the height of his cattle yard pens so that it made his cattle look bigger! True story. What a cack.
Moving the goalposts seems to be the standard fare of these types, it would seem.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 04 at 07:07 AM • permalinkIn repsonse to some comments here about rape and ethnicity, I googled the issue. I have discovered that it is rather difficult to actually get hold of statistics which show the link, if any, between ethnicity of perpetrators and the crime of rape. I am perhaps not surprised at this and suspect it is a case of political correct suppression of data, even if well-intentioned. But it disturbs me that such statistics about an actual crime and its perpetrators seem to be ignored whereas something as vague and nebulous as “hate crime” has a mammoth and growing literature.
However, in the context of the current discussion, this report is interesting:
Oslo rape statistics shock
Two out of three charged with rape in Norway’s capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown…
Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo’s Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments.While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo’s population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.
Tertius, that may be because non-white immigrants are morelikely to actually be arrested and charged than native-Norwegians.
So, in other words, when someone presents you with numbers, you refuse to look at them.
Do you realize how dishonest you are?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 11 04 at 09:56 AM • permalinkOh and I forgot to add…it’s a little known fact that NSW crime intelligence units also keep stats on the ethnic background of rape perpetrators, but these figures are unlikely ever to be released cos they would cause a riot that would make Cronulla look like the last annual general meeting of the Country Womens Association.
Kilo,
Perhaps there “may” be something in what you say but I suspect your response is a mere grasping at straws in an attempt to overthrow the statistical evidence.
In the current politically-correct climate that dominates the West, especially in Europe and most especially in Scandinavia, the likelihood that Oslo police are targetting non-white rapists while letting white perpetrators go free borders on being a conspiracy theory.
Consider what you are implying: women in Oslo are reporting increasing incidents of rape; but police are turning a blind eye to the huge majority of these cases where perpetrators are native Norwegians so that they can deliberately put disproportionate blame on a small number of non-white men. Thus the raped women are complicit in the conspiracy.
Such an action would result in such an outcry that Inspector Larsen and the Oslo police would be committing professional and political suicide. As it is the inspector cautiously refuses to be drawn on the reasons for these, to him, “shocking” statistics, even when it seems somewhat obvious to an outside observer.
Just perhaps your scenario is indeed true (it is after all not impossible) but it is incumbent upon you to provide hard evidence, not to reply to evidence with handwaving.
From the Copenhagen Post Sept 14, 2001:
Muslim Rape Concern
Alarmed at last week’s police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority, leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls. Promising demonstrations and an information campaign, Babar Baig from Minhaj ul Quran said that Islam totally condemns rape and the violation of women. ‘We feel very strongly that as a Muslim youth organisation, we have a responsibility to speak out about this problem,’ said Baig…People, kilo is simply a troll, who is obsesses, perhaps, with hating Christians so much so that he drags them into everything (Chinese gang lord kills rival—Christian lords in the middle ages killed each other too!; Somali militant sets fire to building—Christians in the KKK burned crosses on the lawns of African-Americans!; Malay pirates board tourist boat, kill everyone and throw them overboard—White males from Christian places were bad pirates too!... and so on), but he is still, basically, a troll who starts pointless arguments and keeps them going because he’s too stupid to know when he’s been beaten in an argument. I’m tired of him hijacking threads, so he goes. Bye-bye, kilo.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 11 04 at 04:20 PM • permalinkSorry—you can still tear him a new one. I haven’t stopped him from reading the site.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 11 04 at 05:28 PM • permalinkNot ridiculous, just ironic. Cuz the Muz still seem to have problems with Australia, regardless. Remember, whatever you give them is only their due, and anything you try to withhold is an affront to Allah.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 11 04 at 06:35 PM • permalinkGood job on banning kilo, Andrea.
kilo: I read this entire threat in one sitting. Not a major chore, but the perspective is amazing…
If you were honestly trying to argue in favor of Hilaly, you did a God awful job. At best, you merely pointed out the obvious: that Western society has cretins and creeps in office, and pretty much wasted time and bandwidth. EARTH TO KILO: we already know that, and expect that those people be held accountable for their actions. Or lack thereof. Including Hilaly, who is an offensive and hateful man…..even if a bunch of Muslims see him as the greatest thing since the invention of frozen pizza.
At worst, you came across as a clueless fool throwing out inane assertions in a wasted attempt to support a bigot and misogynist hiding behind the cloak of religion and racism. Personally, I can’t see why people think Hilaly is some sort of hero or saint. It speaks ill of anyone who supports this creep.
At any rate, you did nothing to advance Hilaly’s defense. Indeed, you detracted from it. Keep up the good work; Hilaly needs all the help you can give him.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 11 04 at 08:07 PM • permalinkThank you Andrea! The troll was hijacking every Goddamned thread yesterday, and pasting his irrelevant drivel everywhere. I, for one, am not sorry to see his arse kicked out of here.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 11 04 at 09:04 PM • permalinkThe Sydney Morning Herald’s Mike Carlton:
Hilaly’s remarks on rape were indeed ignorant and offensive ...
But ... but ... but:
... but much of the media campaign against him has been blatant racism and religious bigotry.
Yeah sure and kilo’s been defending Hilaly and Muslims on the basis of some kind of moral equivalence, much like a little boy in a school yard ... But please Miss, Johnny Smith did it too, as if that either justified or exonerated him!
Now I wonder how Hilaly, Carlton and kilo would respond to this article from today’s papers about (here in Sydney) Girls mutilated for ‘tradition’.
From the article, At least 50 women who have undergone painful and illegal female circumcision have been treated at two Sydney hospitals in the past year.
How strange there is no mention of the ‘group’ in our community that would do such a terrible thing, and how strange there is no mention of the RoP or that the two hospitals, Auburn and Canterbury just happen to serve the areas where people of RoP are most likely to live.
But from his other remarks about women, I’d have to guess that Hilaly would support this abominable practice, Carlton would proclaim any criticism just religious bigotry and kilo would look for some moral equivalence somewhere.
It’s disgusting and the perpetrators should be jailed. So much for multiculturalism and religious equivalence.
Granny gets gritty
http://www.news.com.au/sundayheraldsun/story/0,21985,20701162-662,00.htmlIn 2003, Howard kept allegations of rape against then Governor General Hollingsworth a secret for six months until they became public and Hollingsworth was forced to step down
For our foreign readers, Hollingsworth was our Governor General - the Queen’s representative. I actually don’t recall that he was ever accused of rape. He was foolish enough as an Archbishop to turn a blind eye to the activities of one of his priests who committed what you would know as a “statutory” rape. ie no force, but victim underaged. He ended up resigning when it became obvious that his views in this field were flawed.
Somewhere in the middle of this, a court put out a suppression order to protect the identity of a victim, and the Labour opposition heard about it, and under the protection of Parliamentary privilege, asked a question that made it obvious that the GG was involved (as a witness I think). Very shabby behaviour from one of our law makers - Lindsay Tanner
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Yes, he’s a dumbass and a nasty thug, but that’s his culture so you damn well better respect him, dude!!