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HOSPITAL UNHAMMED
The deporking of Australia continues:
A WA hospital has scrubbed baked ham from its Christmas menu, fearing Muslim patients could be offended.
It has also overhauled its entire menu so that all meals are now halal – containing only meat and other food prepared according to Muslim customs.
This is absurd. Earlier ham-ban news here.
So I take it the Port Headland Regional Hospital won’t be jumping on this proposal?
JIC - Mormons? Feh - let ‘em drink herbal :).
Honestly, I love middle eastern food - if the hospital is doing a good job of it, their food might actually improve. Somehow I doubt that, though - it’s probably the same mediocre hospital fare, only skimping even more on the good parts. Not that this isn’t a galactically stupid thing to do, regardless. And doing this right at Christmas? Way to cast yourselves as world-class Scrooges there, powers-that-be of Port Headland Regional Hospital.
/having cranberry-glazed ham for Christmas dinner.
"Now all we need is for someone of the Hindu faith to jump up and down and we’ll have no beef.
Not very likely. Hindus aren’t threatening non-Hindu Australians with bloody violence.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2005 12 18 at 11:57 PM • permalink...a diet of boiled rice and a cup of tea
Maybe public hospitals will return to the 1950s menus for which they were famous. Perhaps we can expect to see again, rice custard, fruit salad, seafood cocktail and overcooked roast beef, gravy and boiled veg back on the menu. Maybe a glass of Porphyry Pearl on the side?
Will ear be added to the menu, except during daylight Ramadan days? Or will no food be served during daylight hours at all then?
Posted by andycanuck on 2005 12 19 at 12:21 AM • permalinkandycanucl — technically, refreshing IV bottles is a violation of Ramadan…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 19 at 12:34 AM • permalinkThat’s a good start. Next, get rid of the Jewish doctors.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 19 at 12:46 AM • permalink#8- Yes, this is obviously done solely to appease Muslims. It would be interesting (and upsetting) if a Muslim (has there been any other kind lately?) suicide-homicide bomber targeted a hospital because it served pork while he/she was staying there, we would no doubt hear how offensive our culture is to Islam. I also noticed the article talks about halal rather than kosher foods, the hospital could have at least claimed to be doing this for the Jewish community as well.
Dan, Prawns are not kosher?
Hi anthony27, my understanding is only fish kosher - not crustacians - this helps explain why I’m Christian ;-)
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 19 at 12:56 AM • permalinkWhile they’re at it, they should make the nurses wear headscarves. That will cut down on the rapes.
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 19 at 12:57 AM • permalinkMmmm prawns, Morteon Bay Bugs, mudcrab, lobster....
Christmas....
-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 19 at 12:58 AM • permalinkNora is correct. The criterion is that a sea creature must have fins and scales to be kosher.
On suicide bombers targeting hospitals, the Israelis caught a woman from Gaza some time ago heading for an Israeli hospital to blow up herself and as many Jews as she could manage. It was the hospital which had treated her not long before for bad burns she had suffered in a kitchen accident.
Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 12 19 at 01:15 AM • permalinkJust what does halal preparation of meat and other food involve? Can the task be performed by your bog-standard Oz butcher or does it require the involvement of a suitably qualified imam? If it is the latter I wonder how patients,not of the “religion of peace” persuasion,might feel about this isometric bullshit.Still they would probably be just rascist Australians so they would count for nothing.
Note that the reporter alleges “many non-Muslim patients are outraged” then later quotes a spokesperson saying “no patients had complained”. Sloppy.
Not necessarily: They could have been “outraged” when the reporter talked to them, but not enough to bother making a formal complaint to the Health Department.
here it is, Halal
The Quran 5/3 (the “Table Spread” sura) says:
Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: Yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islám as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
In brief, the Islamic dietary precepts are:
• It is forbidden to eat the flesh of impure animals (haram): pork and products derived from it, animals that have died a natural death (al-màitah), aquatic animals that also live out of the water (e.g., crabs and amphibians)
• It is obligatory to eat pure meat (halal) obtained from animals butchered in accordance with Islamic ritual
• It is forbidden to drink alcohol
• It is obligatory to respect the ritual fast, from dawn to sunset, during the holy month of Ramadan.will this mean that the hospital will not be serving food from dawn to sunset, during the holy month of Ramadan?....
also i fear condenced milk may not b halal
I’ve always toyed with the idea that the next time I go to an airport, theme park or somewhere with a prayer room of going in and loudly proclaiming a few Hallelujas, reading a few Bible scriptures - that kind of thing - and finding out what kind of tolerant society we live in.
Nick is less enamoured of the idea, I have to say…
-- Nora (more mischief, more often)
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 19 at 01:49 AM • permalink#24, That’s possible, but the article doesn’t quote or paraphrase any patients. Pt Hedland’s a long way from Perth, and I suspect the reporter had trouble making phone contact with patients, if he tried at all. Still, I’m sure that, with slightly more effort, he could have found an outraged patient or two (no bacon for breakfast would piss me off!) So we’ll call it fake but accurate.
As a proud Jewboy (who eats bacon, prawns & oysters - why the hell not - it was good enough to be made by god, why can’t I eat it?)... I wonder why the hospital menu had not been altered to encompass Kosher rules.
Not trendy enough I guess.
“There, as a radical US-hating trendy feminist I have proudly introduced muslim-friendly practices by stealth. Please kindly mutilate my genitals accordingly in keeping with your culture.”
Coming up next… street signs with Arabic subtitles.
Those patients who can do so should immediately discharge themselves. How much longer are the various (ALP) state governments going to embarrass Australians by acting like bitches?
Australians should stand up to this now and let said bitches know how disgusted we are, and hit them in the pocket, the place it hurts the most. Any institution playing the dhimmi should be boycotted forthwith.
Just how accurate are Moslems when they face Mecca to pray? Recently at Bangkok airport, a bunch of Arabs were prostrating themselves in prayer just outside the entrance to the only men’s toilet near our departure gate. Other passengers had to clamber over the prone bodies to get in. Most inconvenient and the smell from a typical Thai toilet, wasn’t pleasant. Couldn’t they have moved up the ramp a little? Surely, Allah would have understood - it’s only a symbolic gesture, isn’t it?
Let’s hope this hospital gets attacked by the Animal rights mob.
Halal slaughter is one of the cruelest ways of killing animals .
You would think someone in the admin would realise that or are they going to permit the slitting of ewes necks and the draining of the life blood into the streets too.
time for the Animal rights folk to stray away from fox hunting and Prince Charles.There was some ham-handed catering recently in England, if that’s any consolation.
Is it true that towns in England will soon have to remove the “ham” suffix from their name?
#40 Davo - ALF’s alreadyonto it.
Don’t know what’s more amusing - the Animal Libber’s going after Halal slaughterhouses or what’ll happen to them if they’re caught…
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 19 at 03:30 AM • permalinkThought this one was rather amusing too, especially the comment from the humanist at the end.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 19 at 03:37 AM • permalinkThanks Nora, and good idea (reading bible verses to counter Muslim rituals). But if your reading the Old Testament, won’t what your reading be the same as the Koran (except in English)?
I’m no chef Huey, Davo, but if you have to drain an animals blood to kill it so it’s Islamo-Kosher, wont it lose its flavour?
Well anthony the jewish and Muslim methods of Slitting animals throats are equally cruel. I spoke to a butcher in switzerland who worked in one those abbatoirs and described as a nightmare.The french had banned them so the meat was being sent accross the Border at Basle.
But the main difference is that the Jews do not use those techniques as a hlal way of killing the infidel too.A fair amount of meat in Australia is slaughtered halal anyway because our major export markets for lamb are in the middle east.
I don’t think it’s really a good idea to side with the animal liberation whackos on this one, if they get their way we’d have no meat at all. And besides the “halal” method (also known as the “normal” method) is the best way to do it anyway.
I think the only real difference between a halal slaughter and a regular backyard slaughter is there is some sort of prayer to the sheep before you bleed it. Or something.
Dan
The problem in some cattle of a prolonged consciousness after the initial cutting has been a cause of great concern and has been a major argument against shechita,
This is exactly what the Swiss hotel owner who as a young man started as a butcher told me. It was traumatic to see these huge beast tied down and writhing in agony.
The practice was once banned in France and has obviously been allowed in along with the islamic immigration.
He was of course referring specifically to cattle.Like the treasury minute in today’s news, this is clearly a typo problem. I suspect that the guiding instruction was that they were to be deported, not deporked.
Incidentally, the jews have some crazy dietary rules too. The separation of all cooking of meat and milk to the point of having (in some households) separate sets of utensils and even separate sections in the kitchen - is obsessively silly.
Does not the Mama contain both meat and milk?#15 Anthony27 has the key point. These actions are simply cowardly ‘pre-emptive surrender’ and discriminatory in the worst sense..
Maybe the administrators are looking at all those vulnerable hospital windows and thinking of all the bashed vehicles the other day.
If non-Moslems cave in so easily, the terror bovver boys will be very much encouraged to turn all of us into craven dhimmis without even the need to conquer us first..Meat slaughteres according to halal rules is unacceptably cruel.
This is vile.
Posted by Chris Harper on 2005 12 19 at 06:39 AM • permalink#32. I am always amazed that these PC whackos feel compelled to get rid of pork for the muslims, but not for any other group.
There has been a siginficant muslim presence witht eh afghans for over a hundred years, a jewish presence for probably longer, and there have been Seventh Day Adventists around for at least one hundred years in this country.
Each of these three groups (and there are probably others) do not eat animals that do not chew the cud, or do not have cloven hoofs, or in the case of seafood scales and fins (no filter feeders). I am a bit vague on the details regarding birdlife (actually I don’t know:)).
Anyway that is beside the point. Why have these PC tossers not worried about offending SDAs or jews in the past one hundred years? Is it because they are scared that the muslims might go postal on them, while the SDAs and jews are polite?
If that is the case, and as pointed out in earlier posts, such preemptive surrender is cowardly in the extreme, and makes cheese eating surrender monkeys look positively valiant.
I started off being concerned not to give offence to other racial or religious groups. This seemed to be just good manners.
Now that it appears that all non-Islamic aspects of my life style are going to have to go, I am hovering between total lack of concern at giving offence and the active desire to offend. I doubt that this can be good for me, society or race relations.
From Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein:
“... How about victuals, Stinky? Anne stuffed a ham into one of those hampers - and there may be other unclean items. shall I check?”
Mahmoud shook his head. “I’m not a traditionalist, Jubal. That legislation was given long ago, for the needs of the time. The times are different now.”
I first read that book back in the early 70’s. Dr Mahmoud’s character made me think kindly thoughts about Muslims. Too bad more real life Muslims don’t emulate that character.
#28 Mospact,
To be serious briefly, the hopital patients do not have to fast during Ramadan. Sick people are exempted from the requirement to fast, although they are supposed to make it up once they have returned to health. This can be done by fasting as if it were Ramadan, or by contributions to the poor in the amount the daily food would have cost. That’s according to my Arabic teacher, who came from Aden.#41 Donnah,
I would not rule out the villages having to change their names if they have -ham in the name. In the Wahhabist Entity beef patties cannot be called hamburgers.Posted by Michael Lonie on 2005 12 19 at 08:21 PM • permalinkNick
The humanist’s use of the word “Judaist” was hilarious. I assume it’s an extremely PC attempt at trying to avoid the “J” word. If I had asked my mother, “Mom, are we Judaists?” She would have laughed me off the planet. And in the same interview where he is so painfully trying to avoid offense (as if the word Jew was offensive to Jews) the humanist says that - simply because it’s difficult to sort out these dietary laws about how to slaughter meat - we should all just forego meat entirely. Wonder how that would sit with the Judaists and the Christianists, not to mention the Buddhistists.
If this “Unhamming” continues your women’s footie team is going to go all to hell…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 19 at 09:44 PM • permalinkOT
thismorning on the radio, ahem,Organic Christmas Trees
yes, certified organic. Prices range from $10 to $30.
I don’t understand the need, you ain’t gonna eat it.
But they grow them in,
wait for it....
The grower said that they recognised a market for these organic trees, and the smell of the trees brought back memories… (and implied that the organic trees smelt better and were so much better)
for gawd’s sake…
I am a carnivore (well, OK, omnivore). I love my meat - veal especially, and little lamb loin chops… mmmmm. Ain’t nobody gonna take my meat away from me!
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Note that the article says nothing about Muslim patients complaining about the old menu. This stinks of PC idiocy.