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HILLARY ALMOST DONE

Obama takes North Carolina, while in Indiana

… Clinton appeared headed for a more modest 2 point or less victory. There, she won 60-40 among white voters, who made up 80 percent of the turnout, while losing black voters 8-92.

Also it appears that Hillary Clinton may be broke.

Rush Limbaugh’s assistance apparently wasn’t a factor.

UPDATE. According to the Obama campaign, Limbaugh’s work was worth seven per cent in Indiana. NASCAR votes didn’t come through, however.

UPDATE II. The New York Observer:

Tuesday was a decisive night for Barack Obama.

Sure, CBS News called Indiana early for Hillary Clinton (a verdict the network may yet regret, with many precincts still outstanding), and if she does hang on there, she will have won just as many states on the day as Obama did. And she will then soldier on to what should be a landslide win in next week’s West Virginia primary, just as she figures to dominate in Kentucky on May 20.

But tonight made clear one thing: None of that will matter.

Posted by Tim B. on 05/07/2008 at 03:07 AM
  1. I suspect the dog on the porch will be receiving a kick tonight.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 05 07 at 03:21 AM • permalink

  2. Don’t give in Hillary, you can still do it. Be brave, like you were in Bosnia dodging the sniper fire.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 05 07 at 03:33 AM • permalink

  3. Ah, but it was fun while it lasted.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2008 05 07 at 03:41 AM • permalink

  4. Obama is neither black nor white - he’s teflon.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 05 07 at 03:49 AM • permalink

  5. Chicken with two left wings appears to be fully cooked. Who wants to crack the wishbone?

    Posted by CB on 2008 05 07 at 04:16 AM • permalink

  6. Send that lazy son of bitch husband of yours out on another world speaking tour. That should raise you a few more million.

    Posted by Big Arnie on 2008 05 07 at 04:51 AM • permalink

  7. So, if Obama wins the Democratic Primaries, is McCain a shoe-in for the Whitehouse?

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 05 07 at 04:53 AM • permalink

  8. In North Carolina ... [w]hite voters, who make up just over 60 percent of the state’s Democratic voters, backed Clinton 61-37.  In Indiana, Clinton ... won 60-40 among white voters.

    I think the Democrats should go with Hillary.  How do they plan to win when Obama can’t even win a majority of the white vote against the She Beast?

    Posted by wronwright on 2008 05 07 at 04:58 AM • permalink

  9. I so prefer Hillary over Barack. He’s just yucky, and dodgy, and untrustworthy-seeming. All hot air, like Rudd. At least Clinton has some war wounds and substance.

    Posted by Apple77 on 2008 05 07 at 05:11 AM • permalink

  10. 1. IT.
    Nice work mate!

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 05 07 at 05:26 AM • permalink

  11. That 3 a.m. phone call better be from a call centre!

    Posted by peter m on 2008 05 07 at 06:29 AM • permalink

  12. #9 Rudd is just bad for Australia. Obama would be bad for the world.

    The clear divide between black and white voters ends the myth that Obama’s mixed race can heal racial differences. Quite the contrary.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 05 07 at 06:46 AM • permalink

  13. Oh, she’ll be back in 2012.  Don’t you worry about that.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2008 05 07 at 07:15 AM • permalink

  14. Pooch on Porch’s Puffy, Posturing Pullet Promises Pileup with Polemic Pale Picanninny, Produces Profit for Pachyderms.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 05 07 at 07:19 AM • permalink

  15. Iwas told by ABC radio on the way home tonight (here in Sydney) that it was all over for Hilary. WSJ seems to see it a little more analytically.
    90% of 30% of the electorate is a lot of “me too” votes, and forms a base.
    I think Obama is an easier target for the Republicans to differentiate themselves from. But the idea of a “change to what?” candidate with Barrack’s barrackground background is scary in the present world context.
    I’m not proposing to emigrate (I don’t even live and work in the USA) but if the US elects a fruitcake I’ll be heading for the backblocks and growing my own food, because the consequences could be diabolical for the city-folks mainstream, if not for the western alliance as a whole.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 05 07 at 07:28 AM • permalink

  16. There’s still hope that the Democrats will nominate McCain and free the Republicans to nominate a real candidate.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2008 05 07 at 07:39 AM • permalink

  17. It’s really a classic example of a choice between proven failure and potential disaster.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 05 07 at 07:44 AM • permalink

  18. Modesty forbids me from bragging too much, but I’ve been saying for a while that Mr Obama will win the Democratic nomination.  I guess I was correct after all.

    I said that because of conversations with US visitors to Australia: the excitement and depth of conviction they have that Obama will rehabilitate the US from the Bush debacle, and create a sense of achievement and (dare I say it?) change from the politics of cynicism and abuse that George and his have fomented.

    I go on to say that President Obama will enjoy 8 years in office (barring ugly incidents), and that this will bring about far more change in Australia than KRudd ever would.

    For some of us, this is welcome.

    Watch now as McCain sinks from sight like the hammer he is as dumb as a box of.  (League of liberal democracies indeed, hee hee hee).

    Posted by Bryla on 2008 05 07 at 07:46 AM • permalink

  19. #7 “Is McCain a shoe-in for the Whitehouse?” Do illegals aliens vote?

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2008 05 07 at 07:49 AM • permalink

  20. #18 Or, Obama will continue in the fine tradition of Jimmy Carter, get thrown out after four years, and leave the Democrats a rump party consisting of nothing but “the black vote”.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2008 05 07 at 07:51 AM • permalink

  21. Oh-bama, don’t you cry for me;
    I come from Indiana,
    with a dog waiting on the porch for me.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 05 07 at 08:04 AM • permalink

  22. #20- Or more liely follow the fine tradition of the last liberal left nominee, George McGovern, and be mercilessly flogged like an Etonian fresher who is reluctant to take remedial Greek instruction from house prefects.

    I reckon Bazza couldn’t pick up a state between NY and California, and be hard pressed to pick up the latter; the black vote (which seems to vote en bloc rather than based on self or public interest for some reason) could deliver some southern states, the fruitcake vote is likely to get him over the line in tinfoil territory like Oregon, but otherwise I’d wager a redheaded stepchild would be an example of domestic tolerance in comparison to the beating borne by Bazza.

    Hey Bryla, what happened at Pine Gap- fences a bit daunting after you’ve been on the Gitmo diet? The old cab must be a sight lurching around Cairns with a major list to starboard.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 05 07 at 08:08 AM • permalink

  23. because of conversations with US visitors to Australia: the excitement and depth of conviction they have that Obama will rehabilitate the US from the Bush debacle

    Could it be, Bryla, that the US visitors that you have conversations with are not representative of mainstream America?  Perhaps the circles in which you mix attract a kind not necessarily the most conservative of American’s?

    Just a thought

    Posted by PeterTB on 2008 05 07 at 08:14 AM • permalink

  24. #23- Bryan’s visitors- quite possibly from the US but I’d wager it’s more likely Ursa Sigma, and clearly they don’t have the sense to come in out of the rain.

    Posted by Habib on 2008 05 07 at 08:24 AM • permalink

  25. I said that because of conversations with US visitors to Australia

    Bryla, insults hurled through a razor wire fence at US Personnel at Pine Creek hardly qualify as a conversation.

    Posted by Nic on 2008 05 07 at 08:38 AM • permalink

  26. Bryla,

    Logical thinking is not your strong suit now is it boy?

    In every poll that has been conducted Obama loses by a margin of 5 points or more to McCain.

    That situation is unlikely to change between now and the election.

    The more that the public is getting to know Obama and his connections wthe the excreable Rev. Wright, mobster Tony Rezko, Weather Underground terrorists Bernadine Dohrn and William Ayers the more his support will falter.

    Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2008 05 07 at 08:39 AM • permalink

  27. #26 joey b, polls taken now reflect the conflict among dems fighting for the nomination, and the scorching attacks made on Barrie O by the Clintons.

    In the general election McCain will apply the blowtorch to himself - revealed to all as the world’s dumbest candidate, with little organisational base, leading an unenthusiastic Republican machine that most US citizens want to deliver a right good kicking to.

    McCain’s plane is going down for the second time.

    Posted by Bryla on 2008 05 07 at 09:07 AM • permalink

  28. With Obama now the ostensible nominee the opinion poll match-ups against McCain will start to mean something.

    I can’t help feeling that the “McCain beats Obama/McCain beats Hillary” combinations undervalued the total vote that will follow either Democratic candidate to the finals.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2008 05 07 at 09:11 AM • permalink

  29. #26 The MSM will run interference for Obama, and that could get him over the line, but in any case this will be the last election where they will have that sort of power.  They’re fading fast.

    Posted by Brett_McS on 2008 05 07 at 09:16 AM • permalink

  30. revealed to all as the world’s dumbest candidate

    Like what, attending the same church for 20 years to listen to a bigoted pastor and never thinking that it may hurt him politically?

    Posted by Nic on 2008 05 07 at 09:18 AM • permalink

  31. Bryla, if wishes were horses we’d all be shoveling shit. Your “analysis” does not take into account the fact that in the Democratic primary, if the rules were the same as in the Republican primary Hillary would have already gotten the nomination.

    Obama’s support is not as strong as you wish it were.

    Posted by Some0Seppo on 2008 05 07 at 09:22 AM • permalink

  32. For some of us, this is welcome.

    Be careful what you wish for, bryla.  If Obama should win the election (and, as one of those “typical Americans” you boast about knowing, I feel this isn’t likely), then it wouldn’t be the lovely progressive utopia you imagine.  After he’d completely trashed the American economy (tanking yours as well), the living would become a lot harder for everyone, especially for unproductive members of society such as yourself.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 05 07 at 09:23 AM • permalink

  33. McCain’s plane is going down for the second time.

    Classy.

    Posted by RyanOH on 2008 05 07 at 09:26 AM • permalink

  34. That’s Hillary out of the way. Whew. Good one Barry! Now, as long as nothing happens between now and November in the way of events that require some sort of leadership, you’ll be right as rain.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2008 05 07 at 09:38 AM • permalink

  35. re #7, not true Bryla.  But, hey, if you want to wear blinders, feel free. 

    And even though Hillary is out the presidential race (something that no one said was certain), she’s not out of the process.  To wit:

    1.  For all of her faults, Hillary is not a quitter (this might become a fault, but I won’t complain).  She wouldn’t pull out earlier based on the delegate math.  It’s possible she won’t pull out now because of the superdelegate math.  Those odds are really long, but she’s obsessed with becoming President.  Money?  Ever see her portfolio?  The primaries are over, her new targets are smaller.  Silly, yeah, but possible.  Whoever said the Clintonistas are rational?

    2.  There remains the Obama-Hillary split within the Democratic party.  Obama’s nomination isn’t legal until the DNC convention in Denver.  If you think that the Dems are going to hold hands and sing kumbaya now that Obama is the apparent winner, think again.  If nothing else, Hillary is going to be pissed at Kennedy and the other Dhimmicrats who went for Obama.  She and Bubba Jeff will stir the pot, rest assured.

    3.  This primary ripped the facade off the Democrats; racism, sexism, elitism, and idiocy.  (The Republicans scored high in idiocy as well, low in the other areas.) I’m sure they’ll try to spin the damage, but they won’t be completely successful, I expect.

    So, giggle with glee, Bryla.  Obama made it, but the price of that victory is the Democratic party torn asunder.  They might get their act together for the general election, and they might not. 

    I put the odds at 60-40 against them, myself.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 07 at 09:39 AM • permalink

  36. I suspect the dog on the porch will be receiving a kick tonight.

    #1 Bill sleeps on the porch?

    Posted by andycanuck on 2008 05 07 at 09:49 AM • permalink

  37. McCain’s plane is going down for the second time

    Nice.

    Your plane would never go down, though, would it, Bryla?

    Why would that be?

    I can answer that for you.

    Because you’re a fucking gutless, parasitic cunt who hasn’t put his neck on the line for anything in his life and, realising this, attempts to compensate by posturing and puffing himself up at “enemies” who he knows will not lay a hand on him.  Grow up, you fucking moron.

    Posted by murph on 2008 05 07 at 09:57 AM • permalink

  38. Hi TRJS, did you see Obama’s victory speech in North Carolina?  “America can’t afford to give John McCain the opportunity to carry out George Bush’s third term”.

    Do you think John McCain can come anywhere even close to the power of that speech to attract ALL U.S. voters?

    If either Clinton wants to continue exercising influence at all (and I bet they do) they’re joining the bandwagon before Denver.

    I appreciate that we think differently.  Time will tell.

    Posted by Bryla on 2008 05 07 at 09:57 AM • permalink

  39. Do you think John McCain can come anywhere even close to the power of that speech to attract ALL U.S. voters?

    You’ve hit the nail on the head (however unwittingly) - Obama is a heck of a speaker (when he’s reading prepared remarks, in a controlled environment).  So what?  Does he bring anything else to the table aside from the nebulous need for “hope” and “change”?  Nope.

    Posted by RyanOH on 2008 05 07 at 10:08 AM • permalink

  40. #32 RebeccaH, just for the record I didn’t say “typical” Americans.  I don’t believe in any such animal.  U.S. citizens (and other residents) are just too diverse and (dare I say it) individual to be typical anything.

    The Americans I talk to are in the cab, and here on holidays or on business.  No, not a representative sample, but what impressed me was the depth of their conviction - something I haven’t seen any evidence of at all in McCain’s campaign.

    Posted by Bryla on 2008 05 07 at 10:13 AM • permalink

  41. You know, reading Bryla’s pontifications and gloating I have realized that leftists are even more loathesome when predicting victory than they are when they lose and when they win (by any margin) an election.

    Posted by Patrick Chester on 2008 05 07 at 10:23 AM • permalink

  42. Bryla

    Our nation suffered but lived through the Carter years. Should Hussein Obama win, our nation will do the same. You see Islamism raised it cowardly head during his years, as well.

    The Carter administration created two new cabinet-level departments: the Department of Energy and the Department of Education. He established a national energy policy,[2] removed price controls from domestic petroleum production,[3] but was unable to make the U.S. less reliant on foreign oil sources. In foreign affairs, Carter pursued the Camp David Accords, the Panama Canal Treaties and the second round of Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT). Carter sought to put a stronger emphasis on human rights; he negotiated a peace between Israel and Egypt in 1979. His return of the Panama Canal Zone to Panama was a major reversal of U.S. claims of influence over parts of Latin America dating to the Monroe doctrine, and Carter came under heavy criticism for it. The final year of his presidential tenure was marked by several major crises, including the 1979 takeover of the American embassy and Iran and holding of hostages by Iranian students, a failed rescue attempt of the hostages, serious fuel shortages, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. By 1980, Carter’s disapproval ratings were significantly higher than his approval, and he was challenged by Ted Kennedy for the Democratic Party nomination in the 1980 election.

    A legend in his own mind/Wiki.

    The one thing that frightens most about Hussein Obama is not him, as much as it is his lovely (joke) bitchy (true) racist (definitely true) wife Michelle.

    What you should concern yourself with is Australia surviving YOUR version of Carter, Rudd. One thing Carter did not do (at least in public, was eat earwax).

    OH, our nation also survived TWO battles with the Brits, (which your nation is still tied to) our Civil War, Mexican Wars, assisted as you nation did, in WWI, assisted as your nation did, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, The “Cold War”, Bosnia, Afghanistan and now Iraq.

    We, along with Israel WILL finally tame Persia,which Carter failed miserably, in trying to do and if Hussein Obama wins, he just may bore the Persians to death with his quick halfwit and glib empty words, in talking with them.

    In that case, Israel will go it alone in making the mullets Mullahs, martyrs.

    I truly hope, that Australia survives your Carter/Hussein (Rudd) and possibly your first Abo, leader coming to a theater in the near future.

    One last thing, NO America will not let YOU or your ilk, in.

    We have enough of our own asshats, we don’t need OZ, asshats.

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 05 07 at 10:38 AM • permalink

  43. Hillary won’t quit ‘til the last bridge is burning behind her.  That will be fun to watch.

    Then the Republicans in Congress can start running on their own message....er…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 05 07 at 10:43 AM • permalink

  44. First, let me say that I hope Bryla continues to conduct himself well here and doesn’t do anything to get himself banned. I think he’s been a good sport and I like reading the repartee he creates.

    Obama will rehabilitate the US from the Bush debacle, and create a sense of achievement and (dare I say it?) change from the politics of cynicism and abuse that George and his have fomented...this will bring about far more change in Australia than KRudd ever would.

    My admiration for Australia and desire to see her prosper is boundless. However, Bryla, you labor under the same mistaken impression as all leftists internationalists (including Obama and his acolytes).

    The job of the President of the United States is to work for the best interests of the United States. Judging by his choices in wife, church and friends, Obama is not particularly concerned with the fortunes of the America. I suspect the majority of voters will realize this. It will be a difficult road for McCain because of (A) media bias, (B) his age, and (C) anger amongst conservatives for his indefensible position on criminal aliens. “A” could backfire if too obvious, “B” depends upon his choice of VP (which is critical), and “C” depends upon whether those conservatives are aware that the next President could appoint three or more Justices to the Supreme Court during his term(s). That alone would change the political landscape of the United States for at least thirty years. If conservatives stay home and let Obama pick that fruit, it will be political and cultural suicide of the highest order.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2008 05 07 at 10:43 AM • permalink

  45. Then the Republicans in Congress can start running on their own message....er…

    Here’s a crazy idea - draft a statement of principles and goals called, oh, I dunno, “The Contract with America” or something. Crazy as it sounds, I bet it could sweep them back into power. The trick, though, would be to stick with it. If they could do that (and whyever wouldn’t they, if it sweeps them into power?), they could be the dominant party for decades.

    Just running that up the flagpole.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2008 05 07 at 10:48 AM • permalink

  46. I’m just taking all those predictions from the 2004 contest and replacing the name “John Kerry” with “Barack Obama”... wow, Barack’s a cert for the White House!
    Oh. Wait a minute…

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 05 07 at 10:50 AM • permalink

  47. Bryla, Bryla, Bryla... Obama is the only thing that can guarantee a GOP Presidency.  I suspect the majority of his non-African American voters would vote for Hillary if need be, but I’ve had a lot of up close and personal experience with American ‘liberals’ in the Dem party, and they make Republicans look like the NAACP in their private lives.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 05 07 at 11:01 AM • permalink

  48. #4 IT

    Obama is neither black nor white - he’s teflon.

    More like tofu.

    And Bryla: do come back mid-November to reap your just dessert of scorn, will you?

    Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 05 07 at 11:03 AM • permalink

  49. Obama speaking to packed house.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2008 05 07 at 11:05 AM • permalink

  50. Suppose Hillary quits and yet another Wright, Ayers or Rezko comes bounding out of Obama’s closet. Let’s just make one up--it turns out he lied about having ever been a Muzzy, say. What do the Donks do then?

    I know those who have fallen in love with the guy are willing to take the chance--they’re prepared to overlook anything. But can the Donks depend on the rest of America to overlook anything?

    I don’t think she should quit.

    Posted by spongeworthy on 2008 05 07 at 11:08 AM • permalink

  51. 50 spongeworthy

    My oh my, you still do dishes and eating utensils, the old fashion way, huh?  :).

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 05 07 at 11:16 AM • permalink

  52. Pretty speeches won’t make the public forget about all the baggage Obama is carrying around. McCain should destroy him, unless the US has become completely unrecognizable.
    Oh, and Bryla, for the remark about McCain’s plane going down again? Go fuck yourself, you lowlife piece of shit. You aren’t worthy to lick the soles of his shoes. And I don’t even like McCain, but those who have worn the uniform deserve respect, even from a lowlife piece of shit like you.

    Posted by Latino on 2008 05 07 at 11:49 AM • permalink

  53. Bryla is like film critic Pauline Kael who declared that nobody she knew voted for Nixon. Wow, imagine that, that Americans wealthy enough to afford to travel to Australia mouth robotic anti-Bush talking points to suck up to their hosts and support Obama. This somehow counts as an accurate demographic sample of the American voter.
    Then you read “McCain’s plane is going down for the second time,” and then realize what’s the point of engaging a no-class, sniveling, pathetic, spineless, pseudo-witty, worthless cunt like Bryla anyway?

    Posted by shockcorridor on 2008 05 07 at 12:22 PM • permalink

  54. #40, bryla, for the record, those Americans you spoke to in your cab (in-depth conversations, no doubt) are Americans traveling in a foreign country.  Americans have been repeatedly bashed all over the world as being racist, so naturally, they’re not going to tell you they wouldn’t vote for Obama.  Forgive me if I don’t trust your ability to judge “depth of conviction”.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 05 07 at 12:52 PM • permalink

  55. Bryla at #27:

    McCain’s plane is going down for the second time.

    Let’s have a look at this statement, because it really shows exactly what you think Bryla.

    You’re using a shocking, painful experience in McCain’s past to score cheap points simply because you don’t like the party that the man is affiliated with. He’s done nothing, so far, that has had any type of impact on your life, hasn’t threatened your family, and doesn’t have a clue who you are.

    Instead of a man who knows the severity and consequences of warfare and is therefore likely not to make any rushed decisions, you’d rather a man with little more than a certificate in negotiation skills and a couple of years of sitting in the Senate receiving kickbacks in charge of the most powerful country on the planet. A man who doesn’t seem to have any plan to defend the country other than “we’ll sit down and talk”. Surely even you can see something wrong with that.

    Using the incident where McCain was shot down, and then tortured is just cheap, petty political scoring. You should know better.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 05 07 at 01:19 PM • permalink

  56. bryla, When you’ve served your country and spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war, under repeated episodes of torture, you might be entitled to make the comments you did about Senator McCain. Until you’ve done that you really should shut up about the man.

    Posted by mareeS on 2008 05 07 at 01:55 PM • permalink

  57. 40;

    The Americans I talk to are in the cab, and here on holidays or on business.  No, not a representative sample, but what impressed me was the depth of their conviction

    You’d see the same “depth of their conviction” among Ron Paul supporters. Doesn’t mean that he ever had a real chance at the election. For that matter, you’d see the same “depth of their conviction” in UFO believers.

    Posted by steveH on 2008 05 07 at 02:11 PM • permalink

  58. It’s hard to see how the Obamination Machine came up with that number. Indiana isn’t a party registration state. You’re either a registered voter or you’re not, but there is no such thing as a registered Democrat. And cross-over voting in primaries is pretty common.

    Posted by rightwingprof on 2008 05 07 at 03:25 PM • permalink

  59. Hi TRJS, did you see Obama’s victory speech in North Carolina?  “America can’t afford to give John McCain the opportunity to carry out George Bush’s third term”.

    Bryla, he’s been saying that since McCain became the de facto GOP candidate.  Along with most of the left.  What, you think I’m not listening to him?  Think again.

    Do you think John McCain can come anywhere even close to the power of that speech to attract ALL U.S. voters?

    Y’know, Bryla, your willful ignorance of the American electoral system and arbitrary goal post setting is really, really old.

    First, who cares if he attracts “ALL” of the US voters?  He just has to carry enough of the states to win the Electoral College.

    Second, Obama is not going attract “ALL” US voters with any speech.  This is not racism, or whateverism.  It’s simple human nature; there’s no way a large population will ever be united on any single topic.

    So, by your logic, Obama is as much a loser as you paint McCain. 

    If either Clinton wants to continue exercising influence at all (and I bet they do) they’re joining the bandwagon before Denver.

    You really need to stop applying your bias to the Clintons.  Their family motto is “The Clintons, first, last, and always”.  If you bothered following the news at all, over the past 20 years, a lot of the Clinton Machine is integral with the Democratic National Committee. 

    They already have considerable influence, and they are unlikely to lose it any time soon.  Note that Hillary still hasn’t conceded.  If she does, it’ll be several days before it happens, and only after she has a chance to work out the rage.

    With politics in general (and the Democrats in particular), there is no such thing as “moral high ground”. 

    I appreciate that we think differently.  Time will tell.

    Bryla, as Dave puts it, you’re generally a good sport about this (although your McCain/plane snark is beneath contempt).  But it’s not a matter of “thinking differently”. 

    You emote.  You want feel good about things (given that your narcissism won’t let you do othereise), so you follow what you want to believe.

    Me, I try to think rationally.  Emotions are important, but generally don’t drive the boat with me. 

    In short, I think.  You don’t. 

    And, yep, time will tell.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 07 at 03:26 PM • permalink

  60. Yo, Bryla! 

    Hillary: I am fully prepared to rock on

    Ponder this while you sip your afternoon tea in the middle of your world of frolicking unicorns and marshmallow clouds. 

    Maybe you don’t have a grasp of American politics, let alone Americans, that you think you do, eh?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 07 at 07:29 PM • permalink

  61. This is all very interesting. I’m hearing many different views about how it is/is not all about race.

    This is my take. The Dems, imagining a shoo-in, have opted for tokenism, the female and/or the black.

    The blacks are voting for Obama because he’s black, even though he doesn’t have the history and culture of the average black American; but his skin is not white. Apart from that, unfortunately, the man is nothing more than a vacuous suite.

    Hillary is also a “minority”. But she is anything but vacuous. It is put about that Obama would not measure up well in the race against the republicans because he’s black. No, because he is vacuous. Billary realises this. But to say so will tear the democratic party apart, so she, the better candidate, will be forced to stand down for the Obamassiah.

    It would be great to see a black president, and a female president. How about Condi Rice? Certainly not a nouveau arrivee African American Negro; not a vacuous person. It’s just that Obama has nothing, I don’t even think he has ambition. He’s the front man who can’t believe his luck. He has done nothing in his life to earn this position. Billary, on the other hand, has plotted and schemed her whole life to get there.

    So, she may not yield to Democratic party members’ requests to stand down. She is a tragic figure, a modern lady MacBeth.

    With the upcoming presidential, I know I am going to be abused by the “anti-racist” democrats continuously playing the race card.
    In reverse, as it were, but still the race card, nevertheless. One will be obliged to state that “I am not against Obama because he is male. I am against Obama Hussein because he is a vacuous, elitist suite.”.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 05 07 at 07:52 PM • permalink

  62. #9 Apple77, Have you ever seen the movie Elmer Gantry? This is the Obamassiah.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 05 07 at 07:56 PM • permalink

  63. #16 Rhardin, LOL, so true, so true.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 05 07 at 07:58 PM • permalink

  64. #18 bryla, I don’t give Obama 8 years. I give him 8 months before the American people realise they’ve got a dangerous dud on their hands a la Jimmy Carter.

    And you are wrong in your analysis of the Bush years. He certainly didn’t install cynicism; au contraire, he frightened lefties because they KNEW he meant what he said. For the right, he was a great disappointment, except for the Bush doctrine.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 05 07 at 08:06 PM • permalink

  65. I think if there is a message in Hillary’s demise, it’s that women can’t do anything.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2008 05 07 at 08:08 PM • permalink

  66. #60 TRJ, Hey what is it about Florida. First there were hanging chads; now there are hanging delegates!

    Is this the Canadian influence?

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 05 07 at 08:13 PM • permalink

  67. #65 Hillbilly makes a lot of noise.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 05 07 at 08:57 PM • permalink

  68. Is this the Canadian influence?

    I wish!  Then the delegates would be smacking each other with hockey sticks.  That’s much more fun to watch.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 07 at 09:20 PM • permalink

  69. Rush Limbaugh’s assistance apparently wasn’t a factor.

    We still enjoyed voting in the other people’s primary.

    Since then, however, I’ve had an appetite for some sort of subsidy.

    Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 05 07 at 10:19 PM • permalink

  70. American Presidential Elections in Context…

    I once had the opportunity to teach a class made up exclusively of employees of the Egyptian Museum of Cairo. These were techies, of course, not antiquarians or archaeologists. The group was in their 30s and 40s and a mixed religious bag: Coptic Christians and Muslim. The students had flown into the US just for my two-week class.

    The United States was in the midst of a Presidential race: Bush v Gore, and I remember that the election was still a few months off.

    At the end of the class, the conversation turned to American politics, and how our circus was seen in Egypt. The answer of the class was very enlightening for me…

    “America never changes.”

    Here we were in the midst of a hard fought and excruciatingly polarized contest, one that ultimately hung on the chads of a few hundred people in Florida, and my foreign students shrugged it off because:

    “America never changes.”

    I’m watching attack ads each night on TV, listening to each candidate slam each other like the future of the Republic was in immediate jeopardy, and saw rock hard polling indicate that America was irrevocably split right down the middle in an orgy of angry partisanship...never to be healed again. But…

    “America never changes.”

    All right, guys...what do you mean that “America never changes”...are you telling me you could see no difference between Carter and Regan, or Bush and Gore.

    “Oh, America changes little bits. Maybe little bit to this side with one guy or little bit to the other side with another guy...but really America never changes.”

    I found this oddly comforting. What we see as wild swings, the world sees as consistency.

    Don’t get me wrong. I could have lived with a President Kerry or Gore; I didn’t say I would vote for them. I would prefer to vote for the pro-gun, pro-choice, fiscal conservative, constitution loving, strong defense, pro-military candidate with balls...but none is running this year (or any year).

    So.

    Vote McCain - 4 more years (to buy ammo)

    Posted by trainer on 2008 05 07 at 10:33 PM • permalink

  71. #69

    We still enjoyed voting in the other people’s primary.

    Since then, however, I’ve had an appetite for some sort of subsidy.

    And so it begins…

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2008 05 07 at 11:54 PM • permalink

  72. Vote McCain - 4 more years (to buy ammo)

    Or don’t vote McCain....and stockpile ammo before January 2009.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 08 at 12:00 AM • permalink

  73. As mentioned above Obama carries a lot of baggage. He makes John Kerry look almost lily-white.

    As FrontPageMag.com senior editor Jacob Laksin discovered in his recent reporting from Chicago’s South Side, the predominantly black community where Obama launched his political career in the eighties and nineties, Wright may be the best known of Obama’s friends and allies, but he may not even be the most controversial. In a series that will appear in FrontPage over the next three days, Laksin explores Obama’s ties to the South Side personalities who helped propel him to power, but whose continuing – and reciprocated – friendship with the candidate raises troubling questions about his ability to forge a new political consensus, especially on the fractious issue of race. To evaluate Obama’s campaign and its grand promises, readers must first come to know the world of Chicago politics from which he emerged.

    And it’s not a pretty picture.

    Obama’s World

    Posted by walterplinge on 2008 05 08 at 12:18 AM • permalink

  74. #73:

    Thank you for that link, very interesting stuff in there. It’s curious that for all the Left’s unending whining about how Bush has supposedly been a puppet of the neocons, they’re about to embrace a guy who seems to be little more than a front himself, and for people whom the Left either intentionally ignores or (more likely) doesn’t even recognize as the ones pulling the strings.

    Posted by PW on 2008 05 08 at 01:43 AM • permalink

  75. There’s also another facet that seems to be down-played alot:  The FARC tapes that indicate that they were talking to someone in the US about an Obama presidency.  I’d like to know a LOT more about that and who, if indentified, was the US individual talking to FARC and how that individual relates to the Obama support structure.

    Posted by rabidfox on 2008 05 08 at 01:45 AM • permalink

  76. Yes, an interesting article, walter.  I can see Chicago politics has only gone downhill since I moved from there 20 years ago. 

    Thank you.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 05 08 at 02:10 AM • permalink

  77. Bryla, you’re a piece of shit.

    When McCain’s plane went down, he spent three years in the Hanoi Hilton (I’ve visited the palce - it’s a shithole), and then, when given the chance to go home because his dad was CINCPAC, refused to go unless every POW captured before him went home as well.

    That’s bravery and nobility that you couldn’t even begin to conceptualise.

    Get fucked.

    Posted by Young and Free on 2008 05 08 at 08:40 AM • permalink

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