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Case #1: Global warming is blamed for the destruction of bananas.
Case #2: Global warming is blamed for the growth of bananas.
So very confusing; it’s like that deal with the trees. Thank Gaia Bill Henderson is available to offer sober analysis:
The scientific debate about human induced global warming is over but policy makers - let alone the happily shopping general public - still seem to not understand the scope of the impending tragedy. Global warming isn’t just warmer temperatures, heat waves, melting ice and threatened polar bears. Scientific understanding increasingly points to runaway global warming leading to human extinction. If impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence, along with the extinction of most flora and fauna beloved to man in the world we share.
Except for bananas, apparently.
” ... we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence, along with the extinction of most flora and fauna beloved to man in the world we share."
That pretty much sums up George Bush’s position with respect to fanatical jihadi Islamic fascism. But the left doesn’t worry about that. Why should they worry about global warming?
Posted by wronwright on 2006 08 19 at 12:52 PM • permalinkButbutbut…
I thought human extinction was exactly what these green-wackos wanted?!?
Posted by zeppenwolf on 2006 08 19 at 01:03 PM • permalinkIt’s hard to take people seriously who keep preaching of the coming apocalypse if we don’t repent our sinful ways. A legitimate scientific concern has morphed into the Apocalyptic Church of Global Warming, complete with its own Elmer Gantry.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2006 08 19 at 01:14 PM • permalinkBTW, the CEO of Swedish energy company Vattenfall had a print interview here this week, and was shilling on behalf of global warming (including the usual claim that the debate is over and the consensus is correct and unassailable)...the twist is that he’s the kind of nut who thinks that a global emissions trading scheme would work just dandy.
The interview runs only two pages, but at least 3 times when questioned on whether it would really work out he falls back to the quasi-religious “the market system will make it work” claim. He did include some token hand-waving about how “the emissions trading would need to be controlled, of course”, with no apparent realization of the sheer scope that this controlling apparatus would have to take. (He wants the WTO to be in charge of that!) Now, I’m as libertarian as they come, but even I don’t think that emissions trading (if put in practice) would be anywhere close to an efficient market, once countries (or, even just companies) that simply don’t have any incentive to follow the rules are part of the trading scheme.
Global warming isn’t just warmer temperatures, heat waves, melting ice and threatened polar bears.
No, it’s about jackasses who have no knowledge of anyscience spouting off to get attention, or miserable opportunists with their own agendas using faux and junk science to make a buck (which, like Gore, they haven’t been able to do in real estate or selling used cars).Global Warmeningists need to make more and more outrageous claims to be heard over the din, yet, the more outrageous the claim, the less credibility they have with the “ignorant masses”.
‘tis a quandry… what’s a self-respecting Gaia-worshipper to do?
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2006 08 19 at 01:47 PM • permalinkI think that, by “impossible Draconian measures”, Henderson means that such measures are impossible for him to follow.....but everyone else had better toe the line.
Either way, though, he’s an idiot.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 19 at 02:00 PM • permalinkHow can these people claim the scientific debate is ‘over’ when the climate models on which they base their frenzied bleatings can’t predict a damn thing accurately?
Unbelievable.
Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 08 19 at 02:19 PM • permalinkAll this Benana this, Benana that talk. I went out and purchased two big hands of Benanas.
Then I bought strawberries, (are these endangered or over populated?) blueberries, (ditto parentheses stuff) fresh pineapple (ditto parentheses stuff) and mango (ditto parentheses stuff).
Dandy tropical salad I’ve got.
Does anyone remember discussions on global warming, pre-Kyoto? I can remember reading articles, even in the SMH, suggesting that, while such warming might cause some problems, there’d also be benefits, such as more productive land at higher latitudes and faster plant growth (more CO2).
Plus, the problems might balance themselves out. The faster growing trees would absorb the extra CO2. The increased storm activity would result in more clouds reflecting more solar heat back into space and therefore cooling the globe back down again. The storms would create more ozone in the atmosphere, thus dealing with a certain other “problem” that the doomsayers seem to have since forgotten.
But we don’t get any of that anymore. While the old approach seemed to be, wait and see, and deal with the problems as they arise, since the Stone Tablets were handed on Mt Kyoto, we have to sacrifice everything to Gaia, in order to avoid her wrath.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 08 19 at 02:50 PM • permalink#3 This option’s off the table - Mars is warming too!!!!!
I hope your Oz compatriot at Junkscience picks up on these bananas.
Oh no, we’re all going to die >80
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 19 at 03:01 PM • permalinkThe Warmeringists - who are they?
Back in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s, I was doing some contract work for a company involved with Canada’s Federal governemnt, the department now part of Environment Canada.
When we, finally, delivered on the project (something to do with trendy satellite mapping), our contacts seemed remarkably uninterested. We were told that the agency’s attention was now focused on Climate Change.
I didn’t comprehend .. but now see that this is just a huge, bureaucratic boondoggle, decades in the planning. So many bureaucrats and professorships and salaries at stake.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 19 at 03:15 PM • permalinkAnyone who quotes the Grauniad’s Moonbat are lost, truly lost.
Hey, three posts on this subject, I must care about it - or get reaallly anoyed.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 19 at 03:17 PM • permalink"If impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence, along with the extinction of most flora and fauna beloved to man in the world we share.”
Yeah? So what’s the downside?
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 08 19 at 03:52 PM • permalinkLOL Now that’s fear mongering worthy of the name! He even quotes George Monbiot.
Perhaps Mr. Henderson might explain why, if I’m looking at the end of man’s existence, I should give a rat’s fuck about the extinction of flora and fauna (fun gals though they are).
Runaway global warming: there are ‘carbon bombs’: carbon in soils, carbon in warming temperate and boreal forests and in a drought struck Amazon…
Now that is alarming. Next thing you know they’ll be finding carbon in us. Wait…
Interesting web site. Hits every meme in the Left’s little red book. Henderson, a Canadian, says elsewhere:
Pro sports are a luxury we can no longer afford in a world facing dangerous climate change and where $75 a barrel oil is already straining the budgets of most Third World countries and threatening their development future.
Now he’s just asking for trouble.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 19 at 04:08 PM • permalinkAfter reading the article, I realize this Henderson guy is a close cousin to the crazy lady who peed on the floor of that 747. Global temperatures are going to rise tens of degrees? We need to cut present emissions by 90 percent? Oh, yeah, and the recent UK bomb plot was “orchestrated” news that’s interfering with his envirofrantic doomscreeching.
So, eeeeevil conservatives fear change but “progressives” freak out every time the sun comes up. Got it.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 19 at 04:09 PM • permalinkIf the scientiific debate is over then scientific understanding shouldn’t be increasingly pointing to anything; it ought to be constantly pointing to something.
Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2006 08 19 at 04:13 PM • permalinkFrom Kyda’s #23:
Runaway global warming: there are ‘carbon bombs’: carbon in soils, carbon in warming temperate and boreal forests and in a drought struck Amazon...
Reading this, I can’t shake the feeling that Henderson is too clueless to know there’s a difference between carbon and carbondioxide, and that the former doesn’t spontaneously turn into the latter just because it gets a little warmer. (Okay, a couple hundred degrees might do it.)
Natural conclusion: Outlaw diamonds and pencils now!
He’s a Methodist. And as the article shows, you could possibly very well blame them for a number of skating-close-to-lefty-nonsense ideas. On the other hand, they did kick out one of their lady ministers for being a lesbian.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 19 at 06:15 PM • permalinkYeeks - Tim beat me to it. (See his update.)
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 19 at 06:18 PM • permalink"There are enormous quantities of naturally occurring greenhouse gasses trapped in ice-like structures in the cold northern muds and at the bottom of the seas. These ices, called clathrates, contain 3,000 times as much methane as is in the atmosphere. Methane is more than 20 times as strong a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide."
So clearly what we need to do is dig thes clathrates up and burn them. Methane is CH4, so this will immediately reduce the problem by a factor of 20.
Better yet, we can convert it into non-biodegradeable plastics and bury it in landfills. Problem solved! (See also: Why recycled paper is bad for the environment.)
Puts the anal back into analisis.
“Unless you submit to an all encompassing, centraly planned, every minute of your day controlled, existance you will all die”.Drank himself sober analasis I think.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 08 19 at 07:03 PM • permalinkIf impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out
Yeah, let’s have the Revolution NOW.
How would Stalin and Mao have done this...??The question is, will Bob Brown’s Greens join in because they are against any ‘Draconian security measures’ against terror, aren’t they?
If impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere
“Impossibly Draconian” measures to curb global warming before it extinguishes life on this planet? He must be talking about:
1) Nuclear power. Impossible. The problems of waste storage, or the risk of a meltdown, are not worth saving the planet. Here in environmentally-conscious, liberal, blue-state Maine, we decommisioned our reactor, and there is zero chance we’ll build another.
2) Hydro power. Impossible. Dams across the U.S. are being dismantled. Here in environmentally-conscious, liberal, blue-state Maine, we’ve breached many. The destruction of the planet is horrifying, but a small price to pay to let fish fuck.
3) Wind farms. Impossible. Here in environmentally-conscious, liberal, blue-state Maine, there’s a controversy over putting windmills up on a “pristine” mountain area (we like that word, “pristine.") In environmentally-conscious, liberal, blue-state Massachusetts, where our masters live, they’re opposing a wind farm on Cape Cod. Wind farms are really ugly, and birds get caught in them. Yes, we need to save the planet from annihilation, but not at that cost.
So, yes, global warming is the most dangerous threat ever, and needs a solution before our inevitable destruction, but carbon-reduction measures like zero-emission nukes, zero-emission wind, and zero-emission hydro are just simply impossibly Draconian.
I suggest magick.
#8 ushie:
Hey, reading this like a moonbat, Tim Blair is threatening bananas and polar bears!
Sir, with all due respect, I beg to differ.
I read the same posting and here’s what Mr. Tim is saying.
1. He wants us to destroy bananas so he can grow bananas.
Is this about market competition? is this why Mr. Tim has decided to leave his employer? Is he angling to become the new banana magnate?2. “the trees thank Gaia Bill Henderson is available”
obviously he is speaking about his new banana trees. Maybe this is a deal between Mr. Tim and this Gaia chick? so that Bill Henderson can provide manure? Must be a union labor issue?3. There’s some really old guy (supposedly several million years old, is that in dog years?) that Mr. Tim wants dead.
Mr. Tim implies, heavily, that the reason he wants this really old guy dead is because the plants and animals like him better (the old guy, I mean) and Mr. Tim is jealous....we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence...
Isn’t this the enviowacko’s ideal outcome?
Posted by nofixedabode on 2006 08 19 at 08:40 PM • permalinkHere’s a sample of the Draconian measures these Gaia worshippers might have in mind:
1. Chinese not allowed motor cars or electrical appliances.
2. Africans not allowed electricity - must continue using cow dung as an energy source.
3. Air travel restricted to those travelling to Global Warming fests.
4. New Zealand must harvest all livestock methane emissions to power their motor vehicles.Readers may be aware of other planned measures.
On the upside, the great white sharks are migrating to the new banana province (well, Cornwall, close to Devon), which ought to make swimming safer in Australia.
Also, about that banana that never appeared in Oxford before. Where did that come from? Is this evidence for spontaneous generation? Bananas just appear when it’s warm enough?
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 08 19 at 09:10 PM • permalink#43 Ubique:
I would offer as #’s 1 and 2, 3, 4, and 5, this:
1. The occupation of the US and the removal of that illegal regime by the only truly legitimate global armed force, that being the UN.
2. The complete dismantling and deconstruction of US industrial capacity and conversion of that capacity and potential into credits to be used by deserving 3rd world peoples as payment for their oppression by the evil hegemony of the US. All costs associated with the recreation of this distributed industrial base to be born by the citizens of the former US.
3. The elimination and abolishment of the unjust and insultingly nationalistic borders of the US to allow for the free flow of human migration by peoples “other than US citizens”.
4. A population limit, as determined by locality in respect to that localities ability to sustain a population without harm to the environment in that locality. Such population limits to be enforced by what ever means most efficient.
5. A wild life corridor to exist connecting Mexico to Canada and encompasses the areas from the western foothills of the Rocky Mts. and the eastern plains up to the Mississippi River. This area to be depopulated of humans, and all evidence of human interference to be removed. Such corridor will also be a “no fly over” area so as not to intrude upon the natural quietness necessary for a natural habitat to flourish.
As reference, UN Agenda 21, Kyoto Protocols, and public speeches by various international bureaucrats on the subject.
Since I am a citizen of the US, I feel it only natural that the proposed destruction of my nation and its people take the precedents in numbering.
With human extinction from global warming imminent Bill Henderson still finds time to blog about US Imperialism. The guys a bloody champion. I bet he’ll still be pluckily banging away at his keyboard even as the massive waves from the receding waters of the melting icecaps from the encroaching glaciers rain bananas down around him.
runanway global warming sure, but Bill ain’t runninHomo sapiens
H. sapiens ("sapiens" means wise or intelligent) has lived from about 200,000 years ago to the present. Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in cranial expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens. The direct evidence suggests there was a migration of H. erectus out of Africa, then a further speciation of H. sapiens from H. erectus in Africa (there is little evidence that this speciation occurred elsewhere). Then a subsequent migration within and out of Africa eventually replaced the earlier dispersed H. erectus. This migration and origin theory is usually referred to as the single-origin theory. However, the current evidence does not preclude multiregional speciation, either. This is a hotly debated area in paleoanthropology.Current research establishes that human beings are highly genetically homogenous, meaning that the DNA of individual Homo sapiens is more alike than usual for most species, a result of our relatively recent evolution. Distinctive genetic characteristics have arisen, however, primarily as the result of small groups of people moving into new environmental circumstances. Such small groups are initially highly inbred, allowing the relatively rapid transmission of traits favorable to the new environment. These adapted traits are a very small component of the Homo sapiens genome and include such outward “racial” characteristics as skin color and nose form in addition to internal characteristics such as the ability to breathe more efficiently in high altitudes.
H. sapiens idaltu , from Ethiopia, lived from about 160,000 years ago (proposed subspecies). It is the oldest known anatomically modern human.
You are far too harsh, aaron, with your inconvenient facts and data. Being off by an order of magnitude or two is de rigeur for
warmingcoolingclimate change hysterics.Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 08 19 at 11:45 PM • permalinkThe more sophisticated GW proponents, the one we really should be worried about, are shying away from this sort of apocalyptic language, arguing that it just “thrills” people but discourages action. They even avoid statements like “the scientific debate is over”. Not only do they want to end debate, they want people to forget that there ever could be debate.
Hence their preference for slogans like “Together this generation will tackle climate change”, since the GW assumption is implied without having to argue the case.
An extremist like Henderson will convert few, and perhaps that’s the way he wants it. There are religious people that thrive on the idea that their “church” is a select and tiny minority, and want to keep it that way. Makes them feel special.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?[Yeats)
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 20 at 12:13 AM • permalinkBack in the Carboniferous CO2 levels were about 3 times as high as they are now. O2 levels were also up, at around 35%. A high enough level for spontaneous combustion under the right conditions.
Not a good scenario for the lighter industry, now is it?
Posted by mythusmage on 2006 08 20 at 12:20 AM • permalinkIt’ll be easier to use flamethrowers to beat back the attacks of wave after wave of giant insects!
Posted by Crispytoast on 2006 08 20 at 12:30 AM • permalink"If impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place ...”
Yeah, because the Soviet Union was an absolute environmental showcase (well, underneath the dead bodies of course).
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 08 20 at 12:58 AM • permalinkIt is every individual like Bill Henderson that is a human bomb ready to annihilate mankind. Impossible draconian measures need to be taken against such people if we are to save the world for man’s use to further his life. I say we ignore them. Nothing could seem more draconian to these scam artists than to be ignored. The best way to implement this program is to withdraw, and then outlaw, all government funding.
If impossibly Draconian security measures are not immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence, along with the extinction of most flora and fauna beloved to man in the world we share.
The opposite could equally well be said:
If impossibly Draconian security measures are immediately put in place to keep further emissions of greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere we are looking at the death of billions, the end of civilization as we know it and in all probability the end of man’s several million year old existence, along with the extinction of most flora and fauna beloved to man in the world we share.
Well, in truth, those security measures wouldn’t lead to the end of man’s several million year existence and the extinction of most flora and fauna, but then again the first scenario wouldn’t lead to that either. How fragile does he think life is that has existed (in large multi-cellular form) for 500 million years on a planet subject to ice ages, meteor impacts, volcanos and solar variations? But cutting our use of energy by 90% would surely consign hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people to death or starving, meager existences. And it would certainly end civilzation as we know it, which is the very standard he sets himself. Exactly where and when does he address that issue?
- P.S. Loved the reference to “frenzied bleatings” in one of the earlier comments.
I’m sure old Bill was flapping his arms wildly when he wrote that drivel. Is there some kind of award for the most deranged ecofascist freakout?.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 08 20 at 03:43 AM • permalink#42, Grimmy: This is the scene--Ariel view of a huge banana empire, acre after acre. Slow camera descent and focus on a shiny car speeding along a monorail built amongst the millions of banana trees. Camera follows the car along the monorail as it hurtles toward what appears to be a live volcano. Suddenly, the wall of lava flowing down the side of the volcano parts, and the car zips along inside the volcano, into a high-tech, shiny metal tunnel populated by guards in white uniforms and helmets (think Star Wars’ Imperial Troops). The car draws to a stop. The music swells.
The car door lifts up, like on one of those Deloreans, and out steps a man, holding a white koala in his arms. Camera draws up his body. Focuses on his left hand, petting the koala. We note the koala is wearing a diamond collar. Camera moves up and focuses on the man’s face.
It is Mr. Tim, Masterlord of the Evil Banana Empire!
The latest global warming shock horror scandal:
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 20 at 04:47 PM • permalink
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sober analysis?
Would the last human on Earth, please turn off the lights? Must save power you know.
Unless of course, you are Islamic, in that case, you wouldn’t know how.