During a Robert Fisk rant about Western “bestialisation” of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Osama bin Laden, Ayatollah Khomeini, and Muammar Gaddafi, the ABC’s Tony Jones asks:

Robert Fisk, can I interrupt you there?

As J.F. Beck notes, from then on it’s all downhill for Fisk.

Posted by Tim B. on 04/26/2006 at 11:44 AM
  1. Just when you thought there was no more parody to wring out of Fisk-he goes and beats himself up.

    Posted by 68W40 on 2006 04 26 at 11:55 AM • permalink

  2. Actually, this was my favorite line:

    Thanks for being there, Robert Fisk.

    ...and not here!

    Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 04 26 at 12:10 PM • permalink

  3. But I also think that they register in the Arab world, in the Muslim world, they register a line that says, in effect, there is injustice in the Muslim world and I am speaking about that injustice and as long as we, the West, go along with that injustice, so these people will have a claim on the ideas and the minds of the people who listen to them. In other words, we, as Westerners, give them some credibility by not being fair in the Middle East and that is the problem. We’re not fair, we are not just in the Middle East and as long as we’re not going to be just, as long as we’re not going to be fair, so unfortunately will these people have a say and a mind in the Middle Eastern people.

    All of those words, to equal one six letter nation…ISRAEL. Just come right out and say it Fisk, you anti Semitic, Islamic sympathizer..admit it.

    Posted by El Cid on 2006 04 26 at 12:13 PM • permalink

  4. ROBERT FISK: Yeah. It is pretty clear. He does exist. He is still alive and that was him on the video. I don’t think there’s any doubt about that.

    What? Al-Zarqawi’s not a Los Angeles Times’ sock-puppet?
    What a dick-head.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 04 26 at 12:17 PM • permalink

  5. I don’t get it. Fisk seems to be saying that Zarqawi might really be a nobody, not a terrorist at all, just a misunderstood rug mercahnt, as it were. Then he says that, yeah, he may be a terrorist, but we seemed to have created him by creating an environment in which terrorism flourishes. Then he seems to say that Zarqawi might not really be Zarqawi after all (just another fellow by that name). Then he starts hitting the repeat button (“hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second”). Why, again, does this ignoramus carry any weight as an “expert”? My guess is that at least 75% of the people in the Richmond yellow pages could provide a more coherent explanation of the significance of Zarqawi than Fisk. The fun thing about Fisk is that he’s just so . . . fiskable.

    Posted by paco on 2006 04 26 at 12:43 PM • permalink

  6. Ouch. I wonder if we’ll see Fisk back at Lateline any time soon.

    What’s Loewenstein saying about this?

    Posted by James Waterton on 2006 04 26 at 12:47 PM • permalink

  7. Try as I might, I just can’t make any sense out of what Fisk is trying to say.  I suspect he can’t either.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 04 26 at 12:51 PM • permalink

  8. Fisk’s empty circuitous logic is revealed when someone actually questions him rather than just prints his bile.

    Posted by Patricia on 2006 04 26 at 12:57 PM • permalink

  9. “But I also think that they register in the Arab world, in the Muslim world, they register a line that says, in effect, there is injustice in the Muslim world and I am speaking about that injustice and as long as we, the West, go along with that injustice, so these people will have a claim on the ideas and the minds of the people who listen to them”

    What Fisk neglects to mention and the interviewer failed to bring up is that
    these guys kill and oppress more Arabs and other Muslims than they do Westerners.

    Posted by Torontosteve on 2006 04 26 at 01:37 PM • permalink

  10. It clearly is a blow to the United States in the sense that they have several times claimed that they’ve killed him, which they obviously haven’t done, and the tape is obviously new.

    I don’t believe we’ve ever claimed a kill. We’ve been hopeful a few times but it’s always been subject to confirmation. What’s he talking about?

    Look, look, look, look.

    Clearly, Fisk has been thrown off his game as evidenced by the inadvertent violation of his rule of three’s.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 04 26 at 02:09 PM • permalink

  11. I don’t believe we’ve ever claimed a kill.

    This was the first I’ve heard as well of any US claim to have killed Mr. Z.

    I dont read this guy (Fisk), he sounds like a bit of a hack though.

    I understand he’s a verb as well.

    I’d like to add, ‘Monument to Self-Loathing’ to that list.

    Posted by Thomas on 2006 04 26 at 04:57 PM • permalink

  12. What Fisk never seems to offer, ever, is any realistic solution to the problems and injustices of the Middle East.  Not so much as a good suggestion (e.g., kill the Jews).

    I would bet Stoop Davy Dave’s piggy bank that even if the US came out in opposition to Israel, stopped providing aid, supported an Arab attack on Israel, and Israel responded by unleasing terrorist acts in Arab, Muslim, European, and American cities, Fisk would turn around and blame the Americans for not being fair to Israel.

    The easiest thing in the world is to point your finger and say “you’re being unfair”.  How does one be fair to everyone?  Become Sweden and do nothing?  Would that be fair?

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 04 26 at 04:58 PM • permalink

  13. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The man is being beastilised I tell you. Yeah. Beastilised. You know. Look Look Look Look. Beastilised in front of the TV. You know. They just don’t understand. The Iraqi is not Bosnia. Iraqi is not Bosnia. Iraqi is not Bosnia. Iraqi is not Bosnia.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 04 26 at 05:07 PM • permalink

  14. Holy Quran! I’ve seen the light!

    All we have to do is ignore OBL, Zarqawi, and the rest of the Ropers brigade, and they will dissappear! They are just a creation of our overactive imaginations, you see!

    We created them…we can remove them.

    Fisk has powers of observation far beyond those of mortal man. He sees things!

    Posted by rinardman on 2006 04 26 at 05:38 PM • permalink

  15. As Dan Hicks (of Hot Licks fame) said, “This one starts out kind of slow and then sorta fizzles out all together.”

    Posted by k2 on 2006 04 26 at 05:45 PM • permalink

  16. 14: You mean the whole thing is like that 1956 sci-fi film with Walter Pidgeon (“Forbidden Planet”?), where the monster originated in his own head? Ok, everybody: think nice thoughts.

    Posted by paco on 2006 04 26 at 05:52 PM • permalink

  17. TONY JONES: Robert Fisk, you wouldn’t like us to ignore them, would you? We’re journalists, we have to acknowledge their existence and dreadful things they have done. We can’t just ignore the fact that they exist?
    GEEZ! has Tony Jones signed the EUSTON MANIFESTO?

    Posted by davo on 2006 04 26 at 05:56 PM • permalink

  18. Ye i always wondered why that film was not remade by Spielberg.
    You know little ordinary sweet kid thinks nasy things about mom , who vanishes in some 4d purgatory whilst police look for escaped kidnapper…

    Posted by davo on 2006 04 26 at 06:01 PM • permalink

  19. Have any of you seen a magazine called Dissent? It’s this marvellous leftie rag which has made me cry with laughter. Highlights include an open letter to the environment minister (where he is told not to answer with anything backed up with faith), an article about how we should be adversarial (I imagine that our natural love for each other will solve disputes henceforth), how JobNetwork is an evil neocon-type-conspiracy, and the assertion that humanity is sick and a “runaway juggernaut”.

    Best of all is the line, “The spectre of terrorism is miniscule by comparison [to climate change], an outrageous frenzied beat-up, monstrously exaggerated by ... media cronies to suit their own devious purposes.” (I can think of another frenzied beat-up that has been monstrously exaggerated).

    There’s something reassuring knowing that these crazies aren’t able to win government anymore.

    Posted by Ian Deans on 2006 04 26 at 06:09 PM • permalink

  20. from then on it’s all downhill for Fisk

    Maybe he could take up alpine skiing.

    Posted by PW on 2006 04 26 at 06:27 PM • permalink

  21. Speechless.  I am without speech.

    Can anybody help me out here?

    I’m trying to identify the psychology involved in Fisk’s popularity.  It’s as if he’s the product of a genetic engineering experiment, conducted by an evil scientist, using the reproductive organs of an Orangutan, a Dada Engine and an enormous pile of horseshit.  Yet, he’s still influential.

    Posted by murph on 2006 04 26 at 06:40 PM • permalink

  22. Shatila was a Jihad training camp attended by international terror groups such as the Red brigade , Leila khaled ,carlos etc. But was refered to as a refugee camp by the likes of Fisk.
    Because of the writings of journalists such as Fisk it has been remembered whilst the beheadings and rapes of thousands of Christian lebanese are ignored or long forgotten.

    Posted by davo on 2006 04 26 at 06:46 PM • permalink

  23. Paco-Forbidden Planet (starring Leslie Nielsen in a rare dramatic part) featured a cresture from the subconcious (remember the Krell machine that Dr. Morpheus discovered). 

    Just like OBL-it would get you whether you are thinking about it or not.

    Of course-Fisk, like Morpheus, failed to understand the nature of the threat.

    Posted by 68W40 on 2006 04 26 at 06:49 PM • permalink

  24. My understanding is that the original movie was an allegory of the McCarthy campaign and the anti-communist hysteria of the fifties (reds under beds etc). For the left these days there’s no room under the beds. The Zionists and neocons have taken up all the space.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 04 26 at 07:05 PM • permalink

  25. Look, Look, Look, Look.  Fisk’s points are all very simple.  Zarqawi is just a figurehead whom we just are encouraged to loathe, who, at the end of the day, is not a person whom we need to worry about.  Although he is a problem for all of us (Fisk, too).  The West bestializes Zarqawi, although he is genuinely a bad guy (no doubt about it).  It is wrong for us to paint the Middle East as a fight between good and evil, although Bin Laden and Zarqawi are monstrous.  We created Zarqawi, although he created himself, and we helped, although he used to exist as a fantasy figure created by American propaganda.  The media perpetuates these myths every time it blames Zarqawi, although he is to blame, and it would be absolutely wrong for reporters to ignore the things he is to blame for.  Zarqawi’s existence supports American propaganda, but his continued existence is also a severe blow to American credibility.

    You stupid Blairites all are just too dumb to understand nuance.

    Posted by K. Bowman on 2006 04 26 at 07:27 PM • permalink

  26. Stuart Rees in the Herald suggests we invade countries to correct human rights abuses.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2006 04 26 at 07:29 PM • permalink

  27. “...people whom we are encouraged to loathe, encouraged to hate and who, ultimately, are just figureheads, who in the end are people who we just are encouraged to loathe, encouraged to hate”.

    Fisk could be talking about Bush, here.  But no, he’s talking about bin Laden and Zarqawi, because we really do need encouragment to hate those guys…

    Posted by anthony_r on 2006 04 26 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  28. Thankyou K Bowman.  Excellent analysis.

    Posted by murph on 2006 04 26 at 07:38 PM • permalink

  29. 91B30

    Just read the Wiki entry on Forbidden Planet.  I might just go and rent it…

    Posted by murph on 2006 04 26 at 07:39 PM • permalink

  30. #24: Actually, it was (supposedly) suggested by Shakespeare’s, “The Tempest”.

    Posted by paco on 2006 04 26 at 07:44 PM • permalink

  31. So Zarqawi and OBL are just like Goldstein in 1984.

    I can’t wait until we are forced to have two minutes hate each day and glorious hate week when we get to beastialise head-hacking thugs.

    Its frenzy time, its frenzy time, its frenzy time.

    Posted by The (WHMECDM) President on 2006 04 26 at 07:45 PM • permalink

  32. He would have done well as a script writer on the Matrix trilogy.

    Posted by HC44 on 2006 04 26 at 07:45 PM • permalink

  33. Fairness was invented by the Islamics just after they invented mathematics, literature, art, drama, overseas trade,  and feminist liberation.
    The Theory of Relativity grew from Middle Eastern politics, where you are pretty much dead meat unless you are incredibly deceptive, vicious, and relatively stronger and more bloodthirsty than the other participants.
    Fisk only exists because media scum keep interviewing him.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 04 26 at 07:53 PM • permalink

  34. K. Bowman : re #25 : You nailed it. That’s is quite literally exactly what he said, with the excess verbiage trimmed.
    Great Analysis.

    Posted by Zoe Brain on 2006 04 26 at 08:04 PM • permalink

  35. If I went on TV and sounded like that much of a doofus I’d have to spend a year as a hermit reflecting on where my life went wrong. Fisk’s capacity for embarassment must’ve overloaded and burned out years ago.

    murph, You should rent it. Forbidden Planet is an awesome movie. It was a also strong influence on the original Star Trek series.

    Posted by Bryan C on 2006 04 26 at 08:08 PM • permalink

  36. Well, you know, you know, Fisk isn’t the issue, he’s not important, he’s old news, not relevant, Fisk’s a false creation of the media - he’s part of the scene, of course he is, but he’s not the key issue.

    The issue is that Fisk needs to get OUT of the Middle East, now, altogether, leave them alone and, and, respect them, understand them - or at least try to - to be FAIR, to them, to have real insights on the ground as it were, to stop bestialising and demonising, and confusing, to stop…..

    Ah, Alexander Pope must have known someone very like him, who “never deviates into sense”.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 04 26 at 08:10 PM • permalink

  37. stackja1945

    Either that or he expects that Australia becomes host to approximately 2 billion refugees.

    Posted by murph on 2006 04 26 at 08:13 PM • permalink

  38. Ah yes. A cross between Prospero and McCarthy. A case of:

    Full fathom five bed commie lies
    Those are reds for which he dies
    In the homes are treason made

    Have suffer’d a Fifth-take ...

    Posted by geoff on 2006 04 26 at 08:14 PM • permalink

  39. So the modern democratic state in which virtually the entire globe is enmeshed - is characterised by a system based on:

    1. The encouragement of self-gratification - leading to the bestialisation of the human being and cutting him off from any access to spirituality.

    I say mr Za cow eee, has cut himself off from anything remotely spiritual (choosing to kill and murder) and is suffering post traumatic stress disorder and a hate for anything other than Islam and guns and feminine protection products.

    Posted by 1.618 on 2006 04 26 at 08:20 PM • permalink

  40. paco, in #30:

    #24: Actually, it was (supposedly) suggested by Shakespeare’s, “The Tempest”.

    Are you telling us that McCarthy was inspired by Shakespear?!?!??!?

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 04 26 at 08:39 PM • permalink

  41. As for Fiskie…..excellent summary, K. Bowman!  Sell that to Cliff Notes, it’s priceless.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 04 26 at 08:41 PM • permalink

  42. Is Fisk married?

    Posted by lemmy on 2006 04 26 at 08:49 PM • permalink

  43. ROBERT FISK: The real problem you know is - well, hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second. The issue is whether we accept the issue of them and us - hatred and good, good and evil. Is this actually what the world is about or is it about something different? Is it about injustice and justice and cruelty and goodness in the Middle East, for example?

    TONY JONES: Well, here’s the problem. I mean, Osama bin Laden is clearly a man who -

    ROBERT FISK: Yes, it is a problem for you, isn’t it?

    TONY JONES: It certainly is a problem for me. Osama bin Laden is a problem for me and, I imagine, the rest of the world.

    ROBERT FISK: And for me, too, by the way. Yes, he’s a problem for all of us.

    Ok, let me get this right.  It isn’t about good and evil it is about cruelty and goodness?  Ok, that is as clear as mud.

    Maybe it if I think about it for just hold on a second, hold on a second, hold on a second, it will become clearer…  Nope, Fisk is still an idiot.

    Posted by youngy on 2006 04 26 at 08:53 PM • permalink

  44. Pretty sure Forbidden Planet was the first time Mr. Moog’s musical devices were used in a film score.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 04 26 at 09:00 PM • permalink

  45. Yes.  He’s marrried to some Irish commo anti-semite journo.

    Posted by murph on 2006 04 26 at 09:00 PM • permalink

  46. We invented these terrorists.

    There is no elephant in my lounge room. There is no elephant in my lounge room. There is no elephant in my lounge room. There is no elephant in my lounge room.

    Aaaaaaaaah!! All better now.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 04 26 at 09:07 PM • permalink

  47. Forbidden Planet (starring Leslie Nielsen in a rare dramatic part)

    Actually, before Airplane, almost all his parts were supposed to be dramatic.

    Posted by jic on 2006 04 26 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  48. Fisk is clearly in need of another theraputic asskicking.  Where’s a cranky Pathan peasant when you need one? 
    D’oh! Of course, attending Yale.

    Posted by Carl H on 2006 04 26 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  49. Look look look look look [whack]

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2006 04 26 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  50. #40 Shhhhhh! Actually, it was the other way around.

    Posted by paco on 2006 04 26 at 09:25 PM • permalink

  51. Mr. Fisk is a figment of the news medias imagination

    Posted by missred on 2006 04 26 at 09:52 PM • permalink

  52. First and foremost, I give a deep bow to Kay Bowman for that brilliant piece.  And we got it for FREE!

    How how how can they give that introduction to that man?  Without sniggering?

    Posted by saltydog on 2006 04 26 at 10:00 PM • permalink

  53. The ABC/Tony Jones have been providing exposure to nutjobs for years. If he has suddenly decided to ask them some tricky questions then this is a very positive development.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 04 26 at 10:05 PM • permalink

  54. Fisk didn’t like it, did he. An awkward question from the ABC. Look of disbelief. Stunned mullet. Confusion. Like he had just been bitten by his twelve year old labrador he’s had since a puppy.

    Posted by geoff on 2006 04 26 at 10:16 PM • permalink

  55. Forbidden Planet is one of the classics.  I did read somewhere that it was suggested by The Tempest, but I remember its description of the beast borrowed heavily from Freud.  I never paid attention to all that stuff.  I just thought it was entertaining (although I could never watch a Walter Pidgeon movie without envisioning him in a tweed jacket with leather elbow patches and a pipe stuck in the pocket).  In fact, if he were still around, he’d be perfect for the part of Robert Fisk in, say, Iraqiana.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 04 26 at 10:33 PM • permalink

  56. “Hold on a second, Hold on a second, Hold on a second.”

    “Look, Look, Look.”

    “Iraqi is not Bosnia, Iraqi is not Bosnia, Iraqi is not Bosnia”

    Is he experiencing the occasisonal Moonbat malfunction?

    Posted by Kidon on 2006 04 26 at 10:41 PM • permalink

  57. Fisk is a robot brought back from 2030 to discredit journalism. The tape gets stuck on the odd word, ‘tis all.
    Who is responsible for bringing it back, I wonder?

    BTW, I vaguely recall a few lines from a Tom Clancy novel (can’t remember which one) which began with one character basically questioning why journalists could be such pricks.  The response was something along the lines of:

    “When a dog pisses on a lamp post you don’t accuse him of vandalism, he’s just being a dog.”

    Rather apt in this case, don’t you think?

    Posted by entropy on 2006 04 26 at 11:03 PM • permalink

  58. I think ol’ mate Fisky thought he was going to get his usual free kick from the ABC, and he looked like a stunned mullet when Tony “Taliban” Jones actually asked him a relevant question.

    Incoherent babble ensued.

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 04 26 at 11:20 PM • permalink

  59. Is it too late to book Fisk a slot on “Big Brother” and finish the bastard off. That seems to have worked with another left wing foriegn policy nutcase.

    Posted by the nailgun on 2006 04 27 at 12:02 AM • permalink

  60. # 19, Dissent was around in the fifties and sixties, disappeared in the early 70s and appears to have recently revised after a long, well, recess.

    It was intellectually stodgy even in the sixties, and the marvellous thing about it now is that, despite everything that’s happened in the last 30 odd years, it’s still (with some superficial upgrading of jargon) basically the same old magazine, flogging the same old old left received wisdoms, as last century, even appears to have some of the same old old left writers!!

    As Tallyrand might say, these people have learned nothing and forgotten nothing!!

    Posted by Consuela Potez on 2006 04 27 at 01:14 AM • permalink

  61. Coming in a little late on all this but I just want to say I thought that Fisk interview was really great. They should bring that guy over here to explain it all to us, a lot, repeatedly, with mucho verbiage, so we Americans can correctly understandize his position re evil/goodness/bestiality/OBL/Zarqawi that we/Bush have created/created us.  That would be importantly good. I especially liked it because it made me feel young again, like being in college when people smoked lots of dope and made very earnest arguments that made a lot of sense at the time that would have made the world a better place if only they had had any syntaxity/logical/relevancification.

    Posted by crittenden on 2006 04 27 at 01:29 AM • permalink

  62. Bestialitys best boys, bestialitys best!
    “Shag a wallaby”
    Bestialitys best boys, bestialitys best!

    An old drinking song whos many stanzas mercifuly escape me.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 04 27 at 02:38 AM • permalink

  63. The organisation which bin Laden has created exists. So, the individuals per se don’t actually matter anymore, but that’s something which I think the Americans don’t yet grasp.


    Yes, I must admit that I definitely am having problems with that concept.

    I’m sorry, but I’d prefer to keep killing them until they cease to exist or I understand your point.

    Posted by zeppenwolf on 2006 04 27 at 02:41 AM • permalink

  64. I’ve just heard on the ABC a guy who might be a bigger Moonbat than Fisk - Johan Galtung, Norwegian ‘Father of Peace Studies’.
    Even Adamski was a bit lost for words interviewing him.
    A nauseating self-worship oozed out of him.

    He wants to make a single state[!] out of Israel, ‘Palestine’, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.
    Of these, he compares only Israel with Germany needing rehabilitation after WWII!
    [‘No comparison with the Nazis here’, he claimed! What a Moonbat.]

    Quote 2 .. Almost all of ‘70 US interventions’ since WWII were ‘unjustified’.

    Posted by Barrie on 2006 04 27 at 03:29 AM • permalink

  65. Tony Jones has been making a habit lately of asking good tough questions, witness his recent interview with Akbar Ahmed (Chair of Islamic Studies, American University), and in particular these questions….

    TONY JONES: And yet the theme of violence, the theme of war is also carried constantly through the Koran, through the so-called war verses. And isn’t, in fact, one of the conceptual problems here is that the prophet Mohammed himself was a warrior? 


    TONY JONES: Do you do that to the risk of ignoring, to some degree at least, ignoring history. I mean Mohammed fought 47 battles. Historically he’s said to have ordered the decapitation of 600 Jews and witnessed that happening, in Medina. He has that history embedded in him when he’s writing, does he not?
    Interview Transcript

    I don’t think there are too many current affairs programmes in the western world at the moment that would even dare to touch on the important questions about the nature of the Quran and its prophet. I think Mr Jones deserves credit.

    Posted by Tancred on 2006 04 27 at 04:06 AM • permalink

  66. #65:  Yes I saw that interview Tony Jones did and thought that he has finally seen the light so while delighted that he took on Fisk, I wasn’t all that surprised.

    Posted by Melanie on 2006 04 27 at 04:22 AM • permalink

  67. Fisk should live his life according to Sharia law.  Then he can start defending the Islamalcontent creed.

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 04 27 at 06:26 AM • permalink

  68. Forbidden Planet is The Tempest in space.  Leave it alone.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 04 27 at 07:38 AM • permalink

  69. Sorry, it’s one of my favourite films.

    Posted by Rob Read on 2006 04 27 at 07:44 AM • permalink

  70. #44, you may be right, but the “Electronic Tonalities” were credited to someone else in the movie (afaik Moog was the only one who played his creation in the early days, as he was the only one who understood how it worked), and it had long been my understanding that those “tonalities” in Forbidden Planet were created on a Theremin.

    Posted by Challeron on 2006 04 27 at 08:00 AM • permalink

  71. He wants to make a single state[!] out of Israel, ‘Palestine’, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.

    You take an Israel, a Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt;
    Put ‘em together
    And what have you got?
    You got trouble – right here in River City!

    Posted by blogstrop on 2006 04 27 at 08:06 AM • permalink

  72. Blogstrop - not if you first nuke the living shit out of all the bits of that state which have no Jews in ‘em.


    Posted by MarkL on 2006 04 27 at 08:18 AM • permalink

  73. #65 Tancred, #66 Melanie

    Whoa!  Lets not get carried away here.

    Tony Jones takes the taxpayer’s coin - he’s supposed to ask the “tricky” questions of all sides, all the time.

    The fact that he asked a few curley ones of rabid dogs like AA & Fisk merely means that Tony Jones has temporarily decided to do what he’s paid to do.

    Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 04 27 at 08:34 AM • permalink

  74. Surprisingly, I just got Forbidden Planet on DVD.  It’s one of my favorites from the old films. 

    Leslie also was in the soap opera Peyton Place in the 60’s, where he also had a dramatic role.  He didn’t start doing comedy until, as jic noted, Airplane. 

    Not that I remember Peyton Place.  No, ah, my mother told me, yeah, that’s right, my mother told me.

    Imperial Keeper

    Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2006 04 27 at 09:44 AM • permalink

  75. #73 yeah a hyena doesn’t stop scavenging for a living and the Slug is a lot lower than that.He don’t sneer near as much as he used to but he would cheerfully hang the P.M and the Feds from the ABC logo if he could.
    ABC media report this morn.
    Richard Aidy lets Paul McGeough off’ve his long leash.
    He rants about AWB “clearly the government was involved,clearly public servants were..”
    Aidy tempts him to get nastier with a Dorothy Dixer “Is that the ONLY example you can offer though?”
    Up comes “repression of the Press and Sedition laws”.
    “if we encourage them to oppose the government in a VIOLENT way?” and “you can see some VERY interesting people going to gaol..” -“such as?” -  “Ron Walker”.
    Aidy-“Some would say the war on Terror needs new measures”
    Mc Guff -“Too cute,too cute”.
    and “I was watching BBC news-I had nothing else to do -and I was noting the strong public reaction to police repression of the media in Nairobi..Now contrast that with the ho hum public reaction in Australia. It’s press performance,lifestyles,-she’ll be right has become I’M all right Jack.There is a climate of fear..(these laws) are insurance.
    Aidy “the Plame affair?”
    mC Guff ” N.Y.T. was TAMED over the war on Iraq. A plan was devised to CAPTURE the N.Y.Times and Judith Miller.The issues were reinvigorated after New Orleans,replicating the mess in Iraq. etc “
    Mc Guff is to lecture a press freeedoms dinner in Sydney.
    Followed by 15 mins of the MEAA,media and arts alliance and “the steady decline in press freedoms”.

    Posted by crash on 2006 04 27 at 09:45 AM • permalink

  76. further to ABC -website asks us what an IMPARTIAL MARTIAN might make of the question “JESUS -History or Myth?”

    Posted by crash on 2006 04 27 at 09:58 AM • permalink

  77. Fisk did sounded pretty incoheremt during the interview, but what he had to say had been all but comfirmed by a frank admission of the Pentagon.

    An April 10th Washington Post article stated, that..

    “The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.”

    Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi

    Even worse, the article goes on to say how the Pentagon had concocted fake Al-Zarqawi letters, boasting about suicide attacks and leaked them to Dexter Filkins of the New York Times, who splashed it on the front page the next day. Despite the fact that Filkins had severe doubts about the authenticity of the letter, the Times got down on their knees, licked boots, and published it anyway.

    The same documents directly state that the false promotion of Al-Zarqawi includes marking the the “U.S. Home Audience” as one of the targets of a broader propaganda campaign.”

    A U.S. ‘Propaganda’ Program, al-Zarqawi, and ‘The New York Times’

    Let`s also not forget that Bush had an opportunity to take out Zarqawi`s camp prior to the invasion, but shose to leave him there (under the safety of the no-fly zones) so that POwell coudl run ot the Un and tell tehm what a bad bouy Sadam was for letting him stay.

    Posted by Addamo on 2006 04 27 at 12:54 PM • permalink

  78. More Fisk shit at LGF (Thursday, April 27) in the pages of the Independent.

    Posted by andycanuck on 2006 04 27 at 02:45 PM • permalink

  79. #70 Challeron…thanks, a little more research turned up this:

    As a high-school student, future synthesizer guru Robert Moog began his career building theremins in the 1950s. Moog published a number of articles about building theremins and also sold theremin kits that were intended to be assembled by the customer. Moog credits what he learned from the experience as leading directly to his groundbreaking synthesizer, the Minimoog. Today Moog Music is the leading manufacturer of performance-quality theremins.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 04 27 at 05:49 PM • permalink

  80. However, unlike Bernard Herrmann’s score for The Day the Earth Stood Still, which used the Theremin as well as an unconventional selection of standard musical instruments, Forbidden Planet’s innovative score was entirely electronic.

    Oh, and Fisk will be dead within a year.

    Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 04 27 at 05:55 PM • permalink

  81. Thanks everyone for the compliments on my sympathetic attempt to outline Robert F’s delicate logic (#25).  It’s good to know that there are some readers of this thuggish website that can understand and appreciate nuance and sophistication.

    Posted by K. Bowman on 2006 04 27 at 07:28 PM • permalink

  82. Can you believe this guy???
    We’re to blame for all these Islamic nutters apparently. We, the West, created al-Zarqawi!
    And while Tony Jones was apparently shocked by Fisk’s ramblings, the ABC was just as irresponsible and foolish in their set-up piece when stupid Stephen McDonell described al-Zarqawi as the “self-fulfilling prophecy” of Colin Powell’s address to the United Nations.

    Posted by Brian on 2006 04 27 at 09:26 PM • permalink

  83. Stephen McDonell’s description of al-Zarqawi as the “self-fulfilling prophecy” of Colin Powell’s address to the United Nations was prophetic.
    Few people realize that prior to the invasion, the Us military drew up plans to bomb Zarqawi’s camp in Northern Iraq – which was under the no fly zones and beyond the reach of Saddam. 
    According to this article, Bush nixed the plans because the administration wanted to use Zarqawi’s presence in Iraq to bolster the case for the invasion.

    Avoiding attacking suspected terrorist mastermind


    Zarqawi went from being a non event to a character of mythical proportions.  So in essence, the Bush gang could have prevented the carnage that has been attributed to Zarqawi. Stephen McDonell was spot on.

    Posted by Addamo on 2006 04 27 at 10:51 PM • permalink

  84. thanks K Bowman I think I got it.  Although I think ‘The Fisk’ is lost in a ‘To Be or Not to Be’ alternative dimension.  I just hope he quickly chooses not to be.

    Posted by stickit on 2006 04 28 at 12:49 AM • permalink

  85. Fisk understands Arab politics. His views are important because he translates for us what is otherwise confusing. I have no trouble “getting” it so I can only assume all the bile being spat at him on this thread is emotional nonsense being offered by the white/ right/ might is right crowd. Jingoism is as passe as the assumption US policy is geared towards the greater good. Iraq/mid east stinks and none of the anti fisk posts want to admit western culpabilty. I thought it was obvious.

    Posted by wolfduke on 2006 04 28 at 02:13 AM • permalink

  86. Along list here of Fisk’s great historical knowledege and understanding of “Arab matters”.
    Fisk’s Wondrous Scholarship

    Jesus was born in Bethlehem, not, as Fisk has it, in Jerusalem
    King Faisal I of Iraq, hailed not from a “Gulf tribe” but rather from the Hashemites on the other side of the Arabian peninsula
    Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, was appointed by the British authorities, not elected;
    Yitzhak Rabin was minister of defense, not prime minister, during the first Palestinian intifada, and al Qaeda was established not in 1998 but a decade earlier. And so on and so forth.

    Read the “pearls of wisdom’ from -“The Great War For Civilisation.”

    Posted by davo on 2006 04 28 at 04:36 AM • permalink

  87. unfortunately fisk has done so much damage to ME history through revisionism and intellectual dihonesty , deliberately falsifying evidence, ommiting evidence harmful to his own views etc etc that the damage may never be undone. The Myths he has created for his arab and Leftists paymasters are a nothing but subversive efforts to push for islamization of the western countries.
    Fisk is so obsessesive in Looking for evidence of Israeli massacres of Palestinian Arabs that he could not contain his emotion, when describing the (NON existant) Jenin massacre. To him the fact that it did not occur is totally irrelevent because in his views - it shoould have happened. When challenged on Irish TV over this he almost attacked the interviewer!
    After it was discovered that 38 pal combatants and 23 israeli soldiers died , he tried to redefine the word massacre to fit the the facts.
    And of course he ignores the massacres of Israelis by Arabs such as during 1948 when 600 Jews including women and children were captured by Arab Forces.
    the Jewish victims were dismembered, decapitated and photographed by their proud captors. In the Etzion settlements south of Jerusalem, three truckloads full of Jewish corpses were found sexually mutilated.
    And Deir Yassin is a massacre despite that the Arabs were heavily armed and engaged in pitch battle using as usual women and children as human shields as they do today.
    And then there is Lebanon, in which the massacres of Christian lebanese are selectively ommitted .....
    The problem is that there is too much dihonest garbage posing as History because of the likes of robert Fisk .

    Posted by davo on 2006 04 28 at 05:19 AM • permalink

  88. Interesting post Davo,

    You place far to much significance and relevance to Fisks reporting.  His contribution to the history of the ME will be fleeting at best.

    I have no doubt Fisk has got it wrong on many occasions, but what I am always curious to find out, is what investigative reporter or historian his critics regard as being beyond reproach.

    Name one investigative reporter/historian who has not been moved, or who does not introduce bias into their reporting.  If that investigative reporter/historian is critical of Israel and happens to be non Jewish, they are anti-Semtic.  If that investigative reporter/historian is critical of Israel and happens to be Jewish, they are self hating Jews.

    In is defence Fisk sticks to what he is able to investigate.  A massacre in 1948 probably pre-dates his time as he has only been in the ME for 30 years.

    Criticising Arabs for using human shields is a valid point, though it does not explain why during the last Intifada (where the numbers of Palestinians killed was more than 3 times the number of Israelis), more than 50% of Palestinian Arabs killed were women and children and that the numbers of children killed was almost as many as the number of Israelis.

    Posted by Addamo on 2006 04 28 at 01:51 PM • permalink

  89. Wolfduke, that ‘Fisk rocks and anyone who disses him is a racist’ may play fine on MySpace but you’re with adults now.  Up your game or go back to the minors.

    Posted by Achillea on 2006 04 28 at 02:17 PM • permalink

  90. Re: #83,

    So much of a “non event” that Colin Powell named him at the U.N. and used his presence in Iraq to bolster the case for an invasion!

    Posted by Brian on 2006 04 28 at 08:22 PM • permalink

  91. #89 If you can’t see that Fisk is seriously mentally troubled there is something seriously wrong with you…

    Posted by crash on 2006 04 29 at 06:39 AM • permalink

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