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DOSSIER COMPILED
John Kerry slowboats his critics:
Kerry, whose service as a U.S. Navy Swift boat skipper during the Vietnam War came under attack in his race against President Bush, said he has compiled a dossier on his war record critics that he wishes he had as the Democratic presidential nominee.
“We have put together a documented portfolio that frankly puts their lies in such a total light of absurdity and indecency, that should they ever rear their ugly heads again, we have every single ‘t’ crossed and ‘i’ dotted, and I welcome that in a sense,” Kerry said following a morning address to the South Shore Chamber for Commerce.
“It’s a shame we weren’t able to produce all that at the time.”
Three years. It’s taken John Kerry three whole years. And people made fun of Bush for a five-minute book reading on 9/11 ...
(Via Tobol)
Three years to remember what happened 40 years ago? That’s getting to the realms of alzheimers.
Didn’t he have photos? My husband has albums full, plus weekly letters to his family about his time there, and the close friendship of dozens of mates he served with.
Kerry doesn’t seem to have any of that.
# 3 mareeS - we had a friend who used to send those new fangled cassettes home with recorded letters, we used to reply and send them back, it was fun at the time. Cutting edge technology until they brought out those new fangled 8 track stereos.
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 07 at 10:30 AM • permalinkNeil Young still sounds good, love heart of gold with Linda Rhondstat singing background vocals at the end
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 07 at 10:42 AM • permalinkIf we can remember such things how come kerry has trouble with the detail of such an important event, was he kidnapped by someone in a tardis, (shhhhh no names) and lost his memory after a thorough anal probing????
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 07 at 10:47 AM • permalinkUh, pardon me, but if he’s got a solid case, why doesn’t he present it now? Why wait for the Swift Vets to “rear their ugly heads again”? What occasion would they have for doing so, unless Kerry actually runs for president a second time? And surely he isn’t insane enough to think that’s a winning proposition.
I wonder how many low-life dicks he had to hire to put together his “dossier”? And never mind his critics; they’re not running for national office. What about his record? That’s what all the fuss was about.
“John Kerry said Monday there might be a next time for his presidential aspirations . . .”
Didn’t Marilyn, (ahem…...) aspirate a President???
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 07 at 10:54 AM • permalinkCould the gigolo blowhard make himself any clearer? He still hasn’t released his own military records. But he’s compiled a dossier on his critics.
In other words, he can’t defend himself on the charges because they are true, but Teresa’s high-priced detectives have spent three years digging up dirt, and he’ll gladly smear those veterans who served longer and more honorably than he did.
Why do I get the feeling there’s not much in those dossiers, and his threats are the usual empty gasbaggery?
Ketchup can buy alot of private dicks. And private investigators, too.
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 11 07 at 11:05 AM • permalinkYoung was the original.
kerry was the fraud.
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 11 07 at 11:18 AM • permalinkWhy do I get the feeling there’s not much in those dossiers, and his threats are the usual empty gasbaggery?
I’m thinking “magic hat” myself, lyle.
how did a fraud like Kerry get away with it in the US senate for 40 years?
maree, Massachussetts is pretty much owned by the Kennedy family, with the Kerry family not far behind. Look how that sleeze bag Ted “I can swim!” Kennedy has been kept in the Senate, even after his disgraceful behavior at Chappaquiddick all those years ago. It’s not a stretch to think that Lurch stayed in office, pretty much doing what his minders told him to do, for about the same period.
Also, AFAIK, Massachussetts has been a Democratic stronghold before WWII. During the 1972 presidential elections, Nixon carried every state but one. McGovern (Nixon’s Democratic opponent) didn’t even carry his home state of South Dakota….he carried Massachussetts.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 11:57 AM • permalink22 years for Lurch, mareeS. Ted Kennedy is the one Massachusetts has elected “Senator for Life”. If anything, the Swimmer is even more of an embarrassing blowhard. Why, just yesterday, the drunken fool was trying to denounce the evils of waterboarding by giving a dramatic description of the feeling that one is about to drown… Mary Jo Kopechne was, of course, unavailable for comment.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 11 07 at 12:10 PM • permalinkChances are we’ll never see what’s in that so-called “dossier”, because Kerry will never get the chance to run for president again. He was an embarrassment to the Democrats, they realize it, and they’ll shoot him before they let him do it again.
Of course, every time I think I’ve seen the stupidest thing the Democrats will ever do, they surprise me.
#25 The magic hat is a good example.
“We have put together a documented portfolio that frankly puts their lies in such a total light of absurdity and indecency, that should they ever rear their ugly heads again, we have every single ‘t’ crossed and ‘i’ dotted, and I welcome that in a sense,”
Kerry is a stupid man and a bad liar. He embellishes a lie to the point of absurdity, as if overstatement makes up for an absence of truth. He’s the kind of guy who insists that an event is ‘seared, seared’ in his brain when it never really happened at all.
Wouldn’t you love to play poker with a bonehead who laughs and shouts “I gotcha now!’ - every time he bluffs a garbage hand?
He has a dossier, but still hasn’r released his records. Even after the Carter Administration got rid of his original discharge, which would have been at least a Bad Conduct Discharge, if not a Dishonorable. Even years after promising to do so.
Amazing, but some people care about offering aid and comfort to the enemy during time of war.
Kerry should just shut up and go back to sleep - I mean reproduce his legislative accomplishments from his prior terms.
Scene from On the Waterfront 2007 remake starring Kerry as Terry Molloy
“I could have had class. I could have been a contender. I could have been somebody (instead of a bum).”
Kerry, standing in his undies in the circular driveway of the
KerryHeinz Estate, still thinking he is Brando, yells, “Terrrrrrrryyyyy, Terrrrrryyy”The reporter creates the misimpression - either purposely or through poor writing - that Kerry can now refute the charges leveled by the Swift Boat veterans.
But he’s never done that, and he’s not doing it now.
He could release his military records but he knows they would support the eyewitness testimony of his critics. He could sit down with a friendly reporter and respond to his critics point by point - except that the story would defy common sense.
From his quote, he’s threatening to smear his fellow veterans with whatever has been unearthed in three years of digging. Nobody really cares what he may have dug up on the career of John O’Neill, if anything. It’s just an empty threat by a vacuous blowhard.
...I mean reproduce his legislative accomplishments from his prior terms.
That’s a short list, Mark. Might not be good enough as an insomnia cure.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 03:05 PM • permalink#33 lyle
The reporter creates the misimpression - either purposely or through poor writing - that Kerry can now refute the charges leveled by the Swift Boat veterans.
But he’s never done that, and he’s not doing it now.
In a way, Lurch’s “Dossiers of Dirt” are a tacit admission that the the charges of his critics are true.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 11 07 at 04:01 PM • permalink“Kerry also said he doesn’t see why Republicans were able to corner the market on the evangelical vote, adding that former”
—- remainder replaced by—-
President Carter was “born again”, just like Bush.
And that dossier probably is in the same place and condition as the record of his mission to Cambodia.Posted by John Anderson on 2007 11 07 at 04:19 PM • permalinkWhat I remember most about that election in ‘04 is the ABC’s coverage of the result. I was listening to AM as I drove to work and the bastards must have played Kerry’s concession speech all the way through. Hell, even his supporters would have been muttering “Get it finished, John…”
Did George W give a speech that day? I’m sure he did. No doubt the Collective deemed it not worthy of airtime.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 11 07 at 04:35 PM • permalinkI wonder if the Freedom of Information Act could be used to produce a copy of that treasonous POS Kerry’s courts martial transcript?
AFAIK, it’s personal information pertaining to Kerry, and thus not subject to FOIA.
Unfortunately. Myself, I’m betting that Carter whitewashed a BCD for Kerry.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 05:28 PM • permalinkWould you hire him?
For court jester, maybe.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 05:29 PM • permalinkIs there anyone lower than a man who lies about his military service to make himself look better?
Yep. The man who not only lies, but threatens to smear and/or bankrupt anyone who exposes his lies.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 11 07 at 06:38 PM • permalinkAm I the only person who wonders at the inanity of Blair’s remark?
It’s taken John Kerry three whole years. And people made fun of Bush for a five-minute book reading on 9/11 ..
I’m sorry but that completely does not compute. Whatever else John Kerry may be, when under attack (real physical bullets) he wasted no time and attacked straight back - an action for which he was decorated.
Since that action was 30 years ago, yes you’re right Tim, it may well take some time to gather together.
If John Kerry had been President in 2001, I’m willing to bet a fortune that he would not have sat there limply reading “My Pet Goat” and staring into space when his country needed him to respond to an attack.
So I call “Bullshit, Tim Blair”. John Kerry, for all of his faults, is not a man who wilts under pressure.
Am I the only person who wonders at the inanity of Blair’s remark?
Probably not, but you’re certainly in the minority here.
Folks, may I suggest gently tip toeing around “John A”?
If, after 3 years of sober reflection, he still believes that Senator John “I hung my medals on the wall before I threw them over the fence” Kerry is genuine presidential material….well, I’m not certain that “John A” will take kindly to the idea that Lurch has more hot air than the average politician.
Not to mention the insinuation that Mr. Teresa Heinz has issues with his position in life as the junior, do nothing senator from Massachussetts.
Just a thought, y’know?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 07:51 PM • permalinkI am at a complete loss to understand the rationale behind Mr. Kerry’s decision to withhold the publishing of the ‘documented portfolio that frankly puts their lies in such a total light of absurdity and indecency’ … what opportunity awaits him?
The world wonders!
I, for one, am more than a little interested in finding out just which lies in ‘Unfit for Command’ are being refuted? Inquiring minds want to know!
Besides, hadn’t he already recorded everything with his cameras ... ya know, the ones that he personally purchased to chronicle his adventures in the Nam?
Posted by Michael Sheehan on 2007 11 07 at 08:08 PM • permalinkJohn A,
John F was indeed awarded a medal, the basis of which was an after-action report signed only by “CTU 25.2.4” or something similar- in other words, the signing officer used his title rather than his name. Subsequent research showed that “CTU 25.2.4” or something similar was none other than one LT(jg) John F. Kerry.
Hey, I’ve written my own evaluations in and out of the service. But I never awarded myself a medal.Oh, and John A, the military beaurocracy can be slow- but it doesn’t take three years to get personnel records together.
I only need to see one thing to know the truth about John Kerry. The film of Kerry speaking to a House Committee circa 1970 or thereabouts regarding atrocities committed by US soldiers in Vietnam that he heard about. Fucking traitor then, fucking traitor now.
Posted by wronwright on 2007 11 07 at 08:42 PM • permalinkIf John Kerry had been President in 2001, I’m willing to bet a fortune that he would not have sat there limply reading “My Pet Goat” and staring into space when his country needed him to respond to an attack.
Absolutely not! Without a moment’s hesitation, he would have leapt to the phone and asked Teresa what he should do.
Oh, John A? There is indeed some one else who might wonder ”...at the inanity of Blair’s remark”.
I don’t consider this a positive endorsement of John “Magic Hat” Kerry, of course. But I thought I would point out what marvelous company you’re in.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 07 at 08:49 PM • permalinkHe dragged it out so long he can’t even sue the Swifties, anymore, as he promised.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 07 at 09:07 PM • permalinkTwo hundred and forty vets from a broad political spectrum, most of whom had never broadcast a potentially political word before in their lives…
...versus John François Kerry (and his hair).
Gosh, who to believe?I do recall that the networks refused to cover the swifties’ first press conference… What was it? Oh, yeah: they were “too partisan”. It seems that one of the guys knew a guy who knew a guy who had donated a bunch of money to the Republican party.
Hmmm. Yup, it’s a tough call allright.
Maybe JFK-part-deux should just run again.
In France, maybe.
Posted by zeppenwolf on 2007 11 07 at 10:26 PM • permalinkI’d like to know exactly what President Bush should have done in that five minutes?
Scare the hell out of a bunch of kids for nothing? Get on a plane that wasn’t ready to go anywhere yet? Maybe someone has that quote handy where Kerry stated that he was confused about what to do when he learned what had happened.
Go play in your sandbox or maybe on the freeway. You’re only demeaning yourself.
That waste of sperm Kerry slandered my father, and thousands of others. He can choke on his own shit.
Posted by Steve Skubinna on 2007 11 07 at 11:04 PM • permalinkJohn A—According to Kerry’s own testimony, on 9/11 he and several members of the Dem leadership sat in stunned silence for 45 MINUTES after the report of the Towers collapsing. Kiss it, loser.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 07 at 11:34 PM • permalinkJohn,58
I knew somebody would have that information.
I just remembered that he even admitted to being a bowl of jello that day.The Secret Service dictates where and when under those circumstances not a President. I’m sure the Secret Service was not going to let him fly back to Washington with all of those planes going into buildings and fields. Takes time to determine what is close, what has air cover and what has the proper safety requirements for a President under those circumstances. I can’t believe some of these children are still on that. one.
Yojimbo—You’ve sacrificed all your credibility! you right-wing shill, you…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 08 at 01:32 AM • permalinkJohn A, what would you expect the President to do in that five minutes after he learned about the attacks? Run out, get on a plane, and sit there for another hour while the Secret Service figured out what was going on? Sit in the staffroom of the school, conferring with the Secret Service who wouldn’t be able to tell him much anyway? Or fulfil his obligations and take five minutes trying to relax and get his breath back before responding to one of the most terrible events in US, or world rather, history?
Re #62, Ash, you are being FAR too reasonable. After all, if John Effing Kerry could have run guns into Cambodia on Christmas, an image seared, seared, into his memory, Dubya could have flown north in a fighter, and singlehandedly brought down every one of those hijacked jets.
After all, John Kerry was in Vietnam, doncha know?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 08 at 03:07 AM • permalinkJohn A’s version of a Vietnam vet, namely Jon Karry, on getting the news.
Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 08 at 03:24 AM • permalink#63 Good point TRJS. And if Dubya is even a quarter of the man John Effing Kerry is, he could have downed those jets in that five minutes he was lazing about reading.
By the way, is there any proof that Dubya actually read that book himself? Maybe it was the Secret Service reading it into an ear piece, and he was just repeating them… A real man like Kerry would have read it himself.
I feel so unclean.
Jeez, remind me to never, ever piss off our American friends here on Blair’s blog.
I do believe that John A (insert schoolboy snigger here) #47, has just had a new asshole* torn in his rear end.
* (US spelling used to soothe the savages, but it lacks the nuance of the Oz spelling, I feel)
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 11 08 at 06:40 AM • permalinkJust a thought on George Bush’s continuing to read to the classroom of children after being told about the hijacking.
I’m sure if he had leapt to his feet and started running amok and scaring the bejeezus out of the kiddies, the child psychologists and social workers and counsellors et al would have had a field day bleating about how much damage he did to such delicate young minds.
As a parent, I would prefer that he kept reading (as he did) because if nothing else, he was there to read to the children and there was no action he could take on 9/11 at that time.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 11 08 at 08:06 AM • permalinkThat’s fascinating. You mean because John Kerry was a combat veteran but never actually faced any bullets? You must take the Karl Rove view that those Purple Hearts were for scrapes on the knee rather than for taking bullets. JK has real shrapnel in him to this day.
It fascinating to watch ideologues on both sides make the most fantastic excuses for the behavior of their own while making the most fantastical statements about their opponents.
I repeat: if John Kerry had been President he would have not spent 5 minutes reading “My Pet Goat” and staring into space. Yes, he would have got up and left. Yes he would have got up to Air Force One. No, he wouldn’t have needed Theresa’s permission first.As for the rest of it, is bullshit. There’s no-one at all with a brain on this site who wonders why, suddenly, 30 years after the events, some swift boat veterans suddenly and entirely independently had total recall about what happened? They all suddenly had flashbacks in the middle of a Presidential Compaign? Crap. Absolute horseshit.
What was GWB doing during the Vietnam War? Avoiding it as much as he could. That’s why when real danger came to his doorstep, he had no idea what to do.
There are plenty of combat veterans to this day, who contest that the Vietnam War was immoral and unwinnable. They would have acted the same way to 9/11 and none of them would have wasted a second.
I’m not saying that John Kerry would have made a good President (thanks to the sudden flashbacks of a few and some extraordinary shenanigans regarding the election, we’ll never know now) but it would not be a difficult stretch to believe that he would have acted differently and more decisively. But had 9/11 happened on Kerry’s watch, you can bet that the right-wing would have pasted that factoid all over every available public space.
You know it and so do I.
Stop propagandizing and making excuses for GWB and John Howard. Because you’re making Hillary Clinton and Kevin Rudd look plausible without having to fight too hard.
I repeat: if John Kerry had been President he would have not spent 5 minutes reading “My Pet Goat” and staring into space. Yes, he would have got up and left. Yes he would have got up to Air Force One. No, he wouldn’t have needed Theresa’s permission first.
John,
What would you propose Kerry do once he got on Air Force One? Air Force One, of all the planes in the States, would have been the first one guaranteed to be grounded. So basically, you’re saying that he should have just sat there waiting.
Bush not only waited for further information, and let’s not forget, not all the information would have been known when he was first told about the attacks, but he also fulfilled his obligations to a group of school children who would have been absolutely stoked to meet the President of the United States of America.
There was nothing he could do at the time, and why concern a room full of children needlessly by leaving?
As for the rest of it, is bullshit. There’s no-one at all with a brain on this site who wonders why, suddenly, 30 years after the events, some swift boat veterans suddenly and entirely independently had total recall about what happened? They all suddenly had flashbacks in the middle of a Presidential Compaign? Crap. Absolute horseshit.
Actually, John, you are forgetting something.
John Kerry sat in front of Congress and fucking lied about American “atrocities” in Vietnam. He slandered thousands of American military personnel. For political gain. So he could elected to Congress.
You think that the Swift Boat veterans FORGOT that? That they had sudden “flashbacks” when Kerry decided to run for President? Or that there was some sort of conspiracy to dig out dirt on Kerry*? Give me a break. And give other people some consideration.
Maybe you want to read about John O’Neill, who questioned Kerry’s remarks starting way back in 1971? Gee, ya think he forgot all about it until Kerry was nominated?
There are a lot of conspiracy theories about the Swift Boat veterans. But the simplest explanation is the best: Kerry lied in 1970, and many of his fellow veterans never forgot or forgave that. So when Kerry made his Presidential bid, they stepped forward to give their side of the story.
So I am really pissed that you swallow that crap about Bush should have done something besides read a book to children. Not because Bush is better, but because “John Kerry had been President he would have not spent 5 minutes reading “My Pet Goat” and staring into space.”
So what would he have done, pray tell? Let’s put aside the bullshit politics.
I want to hear just what Kerry would have done. If you are going to second guess Bush 6 years after 9/11, I’m sure that you have some idea of what Kerry would have done….and can describe it in detail.
I will be waiting.
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*: Sorta like the Democrats were doing with Bush and his military service, hmmmmmmm?Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 08 at 10:39 AM • permalinkAsh_: Didn’t you know? President Bush was supposed to stand up, rip open his shirt revealing the big “W” symbol on his chest and then fly off faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a steaming locomotive, etc., etc., save the day, and so on.
/any bets John-boy’s going for the “I wuz banned!” merit badge?
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2007 11 08 at 10:43 AM • permalinkBy the way, I think it’s hilarious that John A is defending Kerry in terms of what he would have done during 9/11, had Kerry been President.
However, Kerry didn’t run for president until 2004, 3 years after the terrorist attacks.
John’s argument is sort of like saying that Dubya would have done a better job with the several terrorist attacks during Clinton’s administration. AFAIK, that particular misplace comparison has never come up.
And it would be as silly as John’s point.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 08 at 10:44 AM • permalinkJohn A,
“You must take the Karl Rove view that those Purple Hearts were for scrapes on the knee rather than for taking bullets. JK has real shrapnel in him to this day.”
If he does have real shrapnel in him, it isn’t from Vietnam. Nor did he “take bullets”. Even John F’n Kerry never claimed that.
Let’s start by giving him what credit he is due: he served for three-odd months in a combat zone. He shot and killed at least one VC, and was in turn fired upon.
Kerry’s three wounds were so minor that none of them required hospitalization, or anything more than a band-aid. At least one of them appears to have been inadvertently self-inflicted, when his own grenade or shell exploded too close to him. There was some controvery over the Purple Heart for that as the medal is supposed to be for wounds inflicted by the enemy. His last wound was so minor that his CO ignored his request for a Purple Heart for it. Kerry resubmitted his request after a new CO rotated in, got his third Purple Heart, and got his ticket out of combat. He was the only officer- and I think the only person- to use the three wounds rule to leave his Swift Boat unit.
At about the same time, another officer named George Bush volunteered to fly a fighter jet that would eventually see 25% of its total number lost in crashes. The same officer inquired about service in Vietnam, but was told that his jet type wasn’t in use in the theater, making it pointless.
By the way, were you saying something about someone avoiding combat?some swift boat veterans suddenly and entirely independently had total recall about what happened? They all suddenly had flashbacks in the middle of a Presidential Compaign? Crap. Absolute horseshit.
John, the same could easily be said about those vets who miraculously came out and defended Kerry’s version of events 30 years after the fact. The solution to this is easy: Kerry needs to release his military record if he wants this cleared up.
But he won’t do that because (as others have pointed out in the thread already) it’s more beneficial to him to claim vindication on the basis of an unreleased dossier because he knows that the media outlets he’s talking about (and based on your appearance here, those who already believe his version of history) aren’t going to challenge him on it. They’ll believe his story regardless of whether or not they see his “proof”.
The Swift Boat vets included almost all of Kerry’s fellow and superior officers.
They didn’t suddenly remember anything. They never forgot in the first place. But they couldn’t be bothered to expose a politician from Massachusetts as a self-promoting fraud.
They were galvanized by the fact that he was running for Commander-in-Chief. They were further energized by his official campaign biography, which they knew to be false.
The Patriot Ledger article is poorly written. At a glance it seems as if Kerry is claiming to have documentary evidence of his Viet Nam heroics. No such thing.
In fact, he’s threatening his Swift Boat critics that he has a dossier of damaging material about them. He claims that if they make the same charges in the future, he’ll smear them right back.
He has never made any attempt to refute their charges, or to cooperate in finding the truth. The reason is simple. Their charges are true.
The reason is simple. Their charges are true.
Exactly so, lyle.
Kerry knows exactly what he did…and doesn’t have any feelings of remorse or guilt. But he knows what he does was wrong….and that most people will hold him accountable for his actions.
And that’s why Kerry will never release his military records…..although Bush did exactly that. Bush doesn’t have a guilty conscience concerning his military service.
The only reason why I jumped on John A’s craptacular “logic” is that it is an empty headed, knee jerk reaction, a classic symptom of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Personally, I don’t care what Bush did during those 5 minutes, so long as he made a decision, and stuck to it. If he felt that he had to drop the book, and leave the children wondering what was going on, I could have lived with that. He made a decision and acted on it. That’s what leaders are supposed to do.
Instead, Bush elected to stay with the children, and finish the story, probably to calm the children down. He made a decision and acted on it. That’s what leaders are supposed to do.
Was it a bad decision? IMHO, it doesn’t matter, because Bush’s actions at that point had no outcome on the events of the day. Indeed, it’s likely that nothing Bush did at that point would have mattered.
John A and his ilk can argue this point all they want, but I have yet to see one coherent statement on what Bush should have done. The best thus far has been, “Well, he could have gone to Air Force One for a briefing!”
So what? At that point, no one knew what was happening. It was a SURPRISE attack. Hell, no one figured out that we were under attack for what, 45 minutes? What would have the briefing consisted of? Diddly squat, folks.
So John A is guilty of muddled thinking, probably a result of Bush Derangement Syndrome. A pity….he’s usually level headed on other subjects. I hope he doesn’t suffer permanent brain damage.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 08 at 02:36 PM • permalinkOops. Andrea is going to be mad at me.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 08 at 02:37 PM • permalink#40 “And that dossier probably is in the same place and condition as the record of his mission to Cambodia.”
So, Kerry finally got his Irish up and created a “documented portfolio” to discredit those who say he lied about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day in 1968—an event “seared, seared” into his memory. It’s about time!
Thanks to Q, he can keep the documents in his briefcase secret compartment with the magic hat and 50 gold sovereigns.
Posted by Bruce Rheinstein on 2007 11 08 at 03:54 PM • permalink#78 Lyle said ‘The Patriot Ledger article is poorly written. At a glance it seems as if Kerry is claiming to have documentary evidence of his Viet Nam heroics. No such thing.’
Your point is well taken (in fact, I felt the same way). However, in going back and re-reading the article and, in light of its general incoherence, I tend to re-interpret it as intending to mean ‘documentary evidence of his Viet Nam heroics’.
Posted by Michael Sheehan on 2007 11 08 at 11:31 PM • permalinkMichael, I suppose that’s an index of how poorly it’s written. Reading the same words, we reached opposite conclusions about what was said.
I think we’re supposed to believe that it’s a refutation of the charges. But nowhere does Kerry actually say that his dossier refers to wartime events. The most specific reference is this:
...he has compiled a dossier on his war record critics that he wishes he had as the Democratic presidential nominee.
Not a dossier on his war record. A dossier on his war record critics.
Usually ‘dossier’ refers to an investigation of a person or persons rather than a reconstruction of events. But also, as previous commenters have noted, if the ‘dossier’ vindicated his Viet Nam claims, there’s no reason to keep it under wraps. There’s no reason to hold it in reserve until they ‘rear their ugly heads again.’
That’s a threat.
It makes no sense whatsoever if the ‘dossier’ is about his war record - which he still refuses to release. It only makes sense if it’s about his war record critics.
#77 & 78
Very prettily and economically put.(On the money to boot).
Posted by lex luthor on 2007 11 09 at 07:31 AM • permalinkJohn A tells me that Kerry would have immediately left and gone to the plane rather than finishing what he was doing.
Okay; I’m sure John A believes this to be true.
I’m also sure it’s possible that Kerry might, in fact, have done so.
But I’m unclear as to how John A knows that Kerry would have done so. Does he have the mystical power to see into alternate realities where this happened? Does he have other examples of Kerry acting with such decisiveness while under similar circumstances (which being in combat on a Swift boat is not, sorry. It’s a stressful situation and as far as I know Kerry did not disgrace himself in combat, but the situation in Florida that day was not like combat).
If John A lacks any dispositive evidence as to how Kerry Would Have Acted Had He Been There In That Position, perhaps he should stop making claims that use authoritative language?
Sigvald: Because Kerry is the Fabled NotBush™, whom does everything that is right and fair when compared to Bush.
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2007 11 09 at 11:15 PM • permalink
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