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Australian Muslim leader Sheik Hilali defends his Holocaust-denial comments during an interview with Australia’s 60 Minutes:
RAY MARTIN: You are quoted in this year in saying that the Holocaust, which we know killed six million Jews, that it was a Zionist lie. You’re quoted as saying that. Why would you say that?
SHEIK HILALI: I would like to stress that I condemned the Holocaust. But there are hundreds upon hundreds of others who are saying that the figures are not correct.
RAY MARTIN: But you’re the grand mufti, you’re the grand mufti. Why would you say something like that which is going to offend everybody?
SHEIK HILALI: I say straight away what is in my heart. I say it.
In his heart is this idea: the Holocaust is bogus. But let’s not be too quick to condemn. After all, as the Melbourne Age tells us: “A diversity of opinion is something to be celebrated, not shunned.” Hilali now vows never to step down:
“I accept the challenge and I’m not going to give in against any power,” he said through an interpreter.
Sheik Hilaly complained that his comments about women had been taken out of context.
“I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth,” he told interviewer Ray Martin.
Whatever. The man’s an idiot.
UPDATE. Mona Eltahawy:
Let us appreciate the radical imams of the West. As a liberal Muslim woman I am generally loathe to express gratitude to conservative men, but the more these imams perfect the ability to say something stupid - often in Arabic, thinking that no one will find out - the more attainable they make my goal: to show that these men do not represent all Muslims.
UPDATE II. Andrew Bolt has issues with Martin’s interview.
RAY MARTIN: Are you a Muslim first or Australian first?
SHEIK ALHILALI: I’m Muslim first everywhere. Muslim before any nationality. But I’m Australian Muslim. I’m Australian Muslim.
That’s probably the only true thing the man said. I’d be willing to bet that he only admits the Australian part because he’s sure it will be an Islamic country someday.
Sheik Hilaly complained that his comments about women had been taken out of context.
“I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth,” he told interviewer Ray Martin.
In other news today, the Imperial Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan complained that his derogatory comments about African Americans and the Jew masters had been taken out of context. “I am outspoken, and I have the courage to say the truth,” he told the reporter.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 11 13 at 01:08 PM • permalinkRAY MARTIN: One of the criticisms of you by Australians is that you’ve been here so long but you don’t seem to integrate. You don’t even speak our language.
SHEIK ALHILALI: I think my age now at the finish — I’m 66 or 67 now. I think too late, mate.
RAY MARTIN: Too late, mate? Too late, mate. Do you feel Australian?
SHEIK ALHILALI: Of course, I love it. In my speeches all the time, love Australia or leave it.
Awww come on. If he deliberately says “maaaaate” he must be as Aussie as Meat Pies.
Hey Sheik: Get the hell out of this country “mate” and take your mates with you.
How on earth is this turd still alive?. Are we all assuming that someone else will shoot him?.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 11 13 at 05:39 PM • permalinkSorry, didn’t watch it. Don’t want to listen to Hilaly’s lies. I knew it would be:
I didn’t say that.
It’s poetic.
I was taken out of context.
I said it but I didn’t mean it.
I have been villified by the press.
What I said is true, it’s what I mean.Keating has a lot to answer for.
And now we have a Baptist pastor in Warrnambool, near Melbourne, saying that sexual assault is partially the fault of the woman dressing provocatively. He should have his arse well and truly kicked, too.
The man’s an idiot. Sadly, Tim, this is the wrong response.
The guy’s clever enough to have collected a large following of local Islam First radicals who hang on his every word =-including learning how to lie and dissemble to the Infidels and seem to be confused buffoons..
We learn from Hilali exactly what the Nazi ideology did - cover their real beliefs with lies about their ‘national loyalty’ and ‘social concern’, when what they were really after was the political power to act out their international pathologies…#18, Dminor:
I dont know why it might be tied to this particular mid-term. This is a fight that predates the US or any other Anglo Sphere nation.
On one side you have those that became identified by the romantics philosophy, as in humanity separated into chattel and elites
while
on the other side you have those that became identified by the rationalist philosophy of self reliance, self determination and personal responsibility.
This basic division in humanity predates even those philosophical attempts at defining them.
The US, in particular, has been at loggerheads with romanticist europe and much of the hatred and derision of europe toward the US is that of romanticists that can not tolerate successful rationalism since it tends to undermine the concept of select few masters owning the mass of thralls under them, mind and body.
And now we have a Baptist pastor in Warrnambool, near Melbourne, saying that sexual assault is partially the fault of the woman dressing provocatively.
#16, kae, there are Christian fundamentalists who have said this kind of crap forever. The difference is, they don’t get a pass in the media like the Muslims seem to. But then, you never heard that they threatened to kill anybody over it, either. Maybe that’s the difference.
Well, Rebecca, it’s time they stopped getting away with saying it.
The fact that it’s been reported that a Baptist pastor has said this is surely a start?
The killing bit is true, too. Someone had a go at me one day about my opinions on the religion of peace and something that had happened, they used the simile of the same thing happening in Christian groups. I said “Yes, well, the Christians weren’t hell-bent on killing anyone who disagreed with them.”
Kae: ... partially the fault of the woman dressing provocatively. He should have his arse well and truly kicked, too.
Er, Kae, aren’t you sounding rather violent yourself?
Surely the issue is WHERE and HOW society draws the line for women, some of whom are too stupid to look after themselves sexually.
Christian countries have had a broad interpretation of this for centuries, but they have never accused women alone, except when they are actually prostitutes.
Men should have some say in deciding these boundaries too, but not the whole say as Islam gives them.
The problem is that conservative Islam draws these at an absurd level, forcing women, even in hot countries, to live in a social hell, or only indoors.
It adds to this a very loose idea of divorce, further stripping women of any power in favour of men.
Modern society cannot allow this, so Islamic women must have their freedoms protected by enforceable law which is hard to do in places like Egypt, but is possible here ONLY as long as we protect all Islamic women too.
So a clash of cultures is inevitable in the West.Barrie, I was speaking figuratively about him having his arse kicked (liken it to getting a smack up-side the head, but more serious).
This attitude is unacceptable.
There are certain dress standards in society, yes, at the beach many people wear ninons-over-noneons, but it’s the beach, that’s acceptable. But it’s not acceptable for someone to wear that in, for example, the city.
Travelling to Sydney from Brisbane one day there was a stunningly gorgeous young woman on the plane. She was just perfect, a beautiful body. She was wearing bonds boy-leg knickers and a sports bra. That’s all she was wearing. I think she was travelling with her boyfriend. She was about, oh, late teens I’d say. Someone stared at her (heaven knows, I couldn’t believe what she was(n’t) wearing and I stared, too). She abused someone for staring at her. Had I been thinking at the time perhaps I should have said to her “If you don’t like the attention, try wearing some clothes.”It’s never acceptable for anyone to say that women ask for assault or rape by the way they dress. Even prostitutes.
Another thing to remember about Hilaly’s speech is he ‘preaches’ that only prostitutes go uncovered; however it is the belief of Islam that any woman who is not Muslim is a prostitute. It is the very different meaning given to words by Imams and leaders in the Islamic enclave; and this is what is spoken as the will of god.
Bugger this. I’m female and I like being able to wear something besides the front-hall rug, thank you. Maybe it’s time to go back to our evilrepublicannastyethnichatinggayhatingEVILEVILEVIL roots and lynch this guy.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2006 11 13 at 07:38 PM • permalink#25 Kae, we are in basic agreement. The difficult thing in the West is going to be HOW to give Islamic women true freedom, when Islam has ‘honour killings’ and huge intimidation at many lesser levels, including religious domestic violence.
Christianity protects defection without penalty as part of freedom of religion, but Islam does not [male OR female].
What is alarming is the selfishness of the feminists who, having largely achieved their own goals, do not speak out against Islam’s broad oppression of women, for the same reason our newspapers refuse to print any Mohammed satire -sheer cowardice.
We need women’s shelters for Islamic women now, I believe, but who will run them?
That is what is part of an inevitable clash of cultures that the Left blindly refuses to see..Liberal Muslims are clearly as much a target of the fatwa-ficators as the West and its freedoms are.. If only more of them would admit it and take on the asshats where they live and pray.
The jihadists aren’t just fighting the evil Crusader-Zionist-Britney alliance, they’re fighting Muslims who enjoy or aspire to Western-style freedoms and don’t specially want to be stoned for eating a ham sandwich. Or for uncovering their cat meat. Arguably, for the jihadists those “liberal Muslims” like Mona are the more important target…
Terrorist attacks are at least partly meant to fundamentalize the liberals - convert them to the fanatics’ side out of fear if not admiration for their boldness and spectaculosity (see WTC bin Laden T shirts)
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 11 13 at 10:25 PM • permalinkSheiky baby cant read so he couldn’t do the test. Its not what you know but who you know…....i.e. Paul Keating for instance.
Posted by artful-dodger on 2006 11 14 at 12:07 AM • permalink#37
He is NOT radical. He is MAINSTREAM.
You are spot on. Hilali is considered a moderate. The number of people in his community who endorse what he said is evidence of the problem. I note that of the 500 people who heard him say these things about women, not one complained, until a month later when the media blew the lid on it.
That was followed by some token condemnation and subsequently the usual arguments about media victimisation of Muslims. Ultimately, nothing changed.
Hilali - Check out the body language, lips are saying yes while the rest of him is saying no.
This is the first time on record that Hilali hasn’t been saying exactly what he thinks.
To his Hilali’s wife and daughters. Pull your head out of your arse and you could end this SHIT right now!
Same goes for the rest of Islam’s women. I can understand blokes signing up, but women??? Look where you ultimately end up with Islam:
Mutilated, covered from head to foot and to scared to breath - that’s the end game for the women of Islam. Why ever set off on this course?
I think by the end Ray wanted to be the 4th wife.
Posted by boxofmatches on 2006 11 14 at 07:17 AM • permalink“But there are hundreds upon hundreds of others who are saying that the figures are not correct”.
Hundreds upon hundreds? Ok Sheik, so you are willing to believe the ‘hundreds upon hundreds’ (perhaps 6 million, who knows?) of idiotic and truth-denying maniacs, but not the millions of others who know that there was a Holocaust of 6 million Jews killed.
You are a disgrace Sheik. Perhaps you should study some history before you open your mouth again.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2006 11 14 at 07:36 AM • permalinkI will never celebrate diversity which has to tolerate crap like this. It if offensive to our open society because these maniacs take advantage of our freedom of speech and then say ‘oh, it is a free country, I can say what I like and what is in my heart’. Well, too bad. That is no way to be. Never shall we tolerate intolerance.
Posted by The Best Infidel on 2006 11 14 at 07:45 AM • permalink
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It stuns me he is on a major tv show. The radicals hide here in the US.