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DENIERS SEEK HIGH GROUND
A brilliant response to my little list of leftoid hypocrisies. This line is especially fantastic:
Notice how the deniers of global warming like Alan Jones are busy buying houses in the Southern Highlands at 500 m elevation.
He is? To escape the glubbal woomening? If so, Sydney broadcaster Jones is aiming somewhat higher than required, considering a rise of only 100 metres is completely impossible. Perhaps Jones - who, if our informant is correct, might be prepared to sell me his coastal properties at a massive loss - has joined the global warming gambling community:
An online gambling service has started taking bets on global warming, including whether it can submerge some of the East Coast’s top vacation spots ...
About 3,000 placed bets during the first three days on online booking, said Reed Richards, a spokesman for BetUs.com.
Most gamblers on the site have put down money that Manhattan will be submerged before New Year’s Eve 2011.
“Don’t ask me why,” Richards said.
This line is especially fantastic:
Notice how the deniers of global warming like Alan Jones are busy buying houses in the Southern Highlands at 500 m elevation.
Soooooo… buying a place with a view means you’re “escaping” Globl Waming.
Not very bright, these leftist greenie dopes.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 04 15 at 01:25 PM • permalink“Don’t ask me why,” Richards said.
Why ask, when I already know the answer?
They’re IDIOTS.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2007 04 15 at 01:51 PM • permalinkLets see if any high profile doomsdayers will put their money where their mouths are and throw down large sums off cashola on sea level rises.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2007 04 15 at 01:53 PM • permalinkThis sounds like a challenge.
1. Funny how the same people who most support the Iraq war the most in Australia and the USA have never seen active service and wouldn’t step out of the Green Zone in Baghdad in a pink fit. First and best chicken hawk example is golf loving George Bush who never served in the Vietnam War. Second is John Howard.
Yes I would. I’d serve too.
2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.Yes I would.
3. Gee, sorry for buying a property with a nice view.
4. If they love the environment so much perhaps they should move out to the bush and then campaign for better services.
5. They at least take care of the land and provide you with food.
6. Who said 60 minutes and ACA are documentaries?
7. Subsidised and completely pay for are two different things.
8. Well, if you say so. My priest has never seemed like a man suffering from ‘gay sexual frustration’.
9. That all depends on what’s on the tape, doesn’t it?
9. The people who reject Flannery would actually like to see a teensy bit of evidence that actually means humans are having an impact on global warming. By the way, nice counting, fuckwit.
10. Only because Iran wants to kill people. The Simpsons don’t. In most episodes anyway.
11. So they have a meeting in the Swiss Alps? Perhaps they want to enjoy the snow that will surely soon melt from Global warming?
12. George Bush doesn’t want to kill me. Other countries do.
13. The same people who are most religious and rapturous think its okay for W Bush to cause the end of the world with 6 billion deaths because he is one of ours.Oh please, fuckwit, surely even you don’t believe that?
14. No I don’t. I do think many of them lack a lot of vital facts and logic though.
15. Yes I would. How many more times are you going to repeat this?
16. I’ve watched the Chaser. They give me a good laugh on occasion, but it takes them a lot of effort.
17. Would you like to be burdened for paying for your parents to die?
18. I don’t think they’re around every corner. I just think there’s enough of them to pose a risk to me, and they’re taught to hate me from early childhood.
19. There is a columnist in Sydney who thinks our moniker for him as the human rottweiler is a compliment.Rottweilers are extremely cool dogs.
20. Didn’t Joe Hockey tell Tristar that they were behaving badly?
21. There isn’t any science to global warming. It’s all just scaremongering.
22. Maybe we want to make sure that they are actually refugees, instead of draining those resources which pay your welfare benefits.
23. Some people think the Devil simply got a bad rap because he never got a chance to put his side of the story, unlike say Tim Blair.Who thinks that?
24. 60%? 60% isn’t unrealistic?
25. No, John Howard wants to do it for the health of the forests.
26. Maybe because it poses a huge fire risk?
27. Maybe because radioactive traces have always been around, and there’s nothing we can do to stop or prevent it?
28. Now, now, that sounds like you’re missing the word ‘alleged’ there. I don’t think the case has been settled.
29. Yeah, uh, what?! I don’t read any of those magazines. Their adolescent fuck-ups are their business, not mine.
30. I love our flag, and what it represents. We’re an independent country, but unlike you, I don’t want to forget history and what started this country.13. The same people who are most religious and rapturous think its okay for W Bush to cause the end of the world with 6 billion deaths because he is one of ours.
Oh please, fuckwit, surely even you don’t believe that?
Many of them do, Ash_. Left-wing web forums from all parts of the globe are full of that crap.
Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 04 15 at 02:08 PM • permalinkGambling Over Rising Estuaries? There must be some sort of neutral thing to do to offset this inconvenience.
Posted by Some0Seppo on 2007 04 15 at 02:49 PM • permalinkMost gamblers on the site have put down money that Manhattan will be submerged before New Year’s Eve 2011.
If there’s a lot of people betting on it, then the odds given by the bookies must be closing. It’d be interesting to see what kind of payout comes to the smart gambler who bets on the city being still there. Have a really happy New Year at the moonbats’ expense.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2007 04 15 at 03:08 PM • permalink“2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.”
I have never understood this line. Do people who utter this very unoriginal thought advocate mandatory military service for the families of government officials? Does this mean Bill Clinton should have sent Chelsea to Kosovo? Should JFK have sent JFK Jr. to Viet Nam as a toddler? Did this jerk serve?? No wonder this asshat has to write for the “alternative” media (read: can’t gain employment through traditional media).
Posted by Furry Lewis on 2007 04 15 at 03:10 PM • permalinkMr Monk, I think they’re only allowing the stupid bet. Which is a shame, because it’s absolutely guaranteed money. Not just in the sense that the events they’re betting on will never happen - they offer a hedge.
When I checked the site this morning, the bet on Florida submerging was running 10:1 odds.
The bet on Cape Canaveral submerging (for the non-Americans, the Cape is a small bit of coastal Florida) was 100:1.
I can’t even put words to how stupid that is. If I could bet the smart way on that site, I’d take out a mortgage to do so - and that would require me to buy a house first.
11 Teresa
Oh… I just realized… I live in the hill country of Massachusetts. I wonder if this means I will soon have a house on the waterfront… thus increasing its value dramatically.
Wish you the best, Teresa. This is good news for a lot of us though, for it means Ted Kennedy will be underwater. That’s comforting and quite fitting.
It’s already underwater: http://www.wunderground.com/US/NY/New_York.html#FLO
Ted Kennedy underwater?? Judging from the corpulence, hot air and the Kopechne evidence I woulda thought he was a floater for sure.
Posted by Furry Lewis on 2007 04 15 at 04:32 PM • permalinkAsh—If I raise my hand, I have to lift it away from The Button, and I could get The Call from Bush at any second now.
No, you may not ask how I’m typing this.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 15 at 04:46 PM • permalinkUm, George Bush’s daughters are currently in Africa, with UNICEF.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 15 at 04:47 PM • permalinkEl Cid, Furry Lewis… is it true Ted Kennedy’s favorite novel is Michael Connelly’s Trunk Music?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 15 at 04:49 PM • permalink7. The same people .... have never heard of Foxtel part owned by Telstra subsidised by govt monopoly for a 100 years.
I think he got this one the wrong way around for the last couple of decades and certainly since foxtel days, Telstra has been subsidising the government.
Maybe he doesn’t understand what a dividend is?
I have never understood this line.
Nothing to understand, really. The left considers “chickenhawk” and “son of chickenhawk” such shrewd debate points (hey, didn’t Michael Moore make them, well, didn’t he) that all debate should end immediately once they’re wielded. Point, game, match. Never mind that their “logic” is entirely indefensible, no amount of reasoned argument can talk them out of it, so why bother anymore. It’s Leftytown, Lew.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 04 15 at 04:57 PM • permalinkSounds like you cut close to the bone with that column, Tim. Congratulations, you rottweiler you!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 04 15 at 05:00 PM • permalinkre Foxtel….errr….I thought it was the nasty right supporting the full privatisation of Telstra?
What on earth is that person yammering about?
Posted by Quentin George on 2007 04 15 at 05:19 PM • permalink#17: They’re not allowing you to bet the other way? WTF? Isn’t the (acknowledged) possibility of different outcomes what drives the idea of, y’know, gambling?
And who’s gonna take charge of all that misused cash when they lose?
By the by, it’s miss, not mister. No worries, though.
Posted by Tungsten Monk on 2007 04 15 at 05:41 PM • permalink“2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.”
Bill O’Reilly sounded like a gibbering idiot when Michael Moore asked the same question.
He (O’Reilly) doesn’t have that right.
Posted by armageddon on 2007 04 15 at 05:49 PM • permalinkNotice how the deniers of global warming like Alan Jones are busy buying houses in the Southern Highlands at 500 m elevation.
It’s got nothing to do do with GW.
It’s all to do with money. Moolah. Dosh.Many years ago I went to boarding school in Bowral. The town’s proud boast then was that there were more Rolls Royces in Bowral per head of population than anywhere else in the world.
It is a playground of the rich and famous. Glooball warmening? What’s that?
7. The same people who think the ABC is the “only … pay tv” in Australia we are forced to fund (according to Blair at least) have never heard of Foxtel part owned by Telstra subsidised by govt monopoly for a 100 years.
#24 Actually, since the PMG days, Telstra (and before that Telecom) paid off a lot of government debt.
It was hugely profitable, and even with the massive R&D budget, and infrastructure provisions for this bloody huge country still managed to pay off our war loans from WW1 & 2.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 04 15 at 06:06 PM • permalinkFor me, the most [puke-worthy was:
13. The same people who are most religious, indeed Rapturous, think it’s okay for W Bush to cause the end of the world with 6 billion deaths ... because he is one of ours.
Shirley, this is the most over-the-top example of Bush Derangement Syndrome - ever!
1) Killing _all_ humans will not end the world (planet Earth)
2) There still will remain 500 million humans.OK Allowing for rhetorical glosses, this guy is still an idiot.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 04 15 at 06:17 PM • permalinkUntil recently, and this is still the case in much of the developing world, coastal and waterfront property was much cheaper and less desireable than property at higher elevations and away from the coast. It took modern infrastructure and technology to clean the garbage and excrement choked malarial and other disease ridden waters before they became desireable.
The irony is that if the Greenie doomsayers have their way and drastically curtail modern society, waterfront property will again become the undesireable fetid swamp it was.
What’s this business about ``sending’’ our young people into the military? They enlist if they want to (like Tungsten Monk’s two older brothers); nobody ``sends’’ them anywhere. How many more times am I going to have to repeat that? [sigh]
As for Manhattan being submerged within four years, well, Manhattan is a great big rock which at its highest point is something like 230 feet above sea level. Drive over that bridge which crosses the Harlem River from Manhattan to the Bronx and look how waaaay far down that river is below you. Its being submerged is about as likely as Michael Moore passing for Twiggy.
Idiots.
Posted by Sonetka's Mom on 2007 04 15 at 06:47 PM • permalink#36 Michael Moore giving up on hamburgers?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 04 15 at 06:58 PM • permalinkHow does someone send an adult son anywhere? If they’re adults they make their own decisions. We don’t live in Sparta for gods sakes.
As for Telstra, I’d be happy to end its monopoly anytime. In any case its monopoly only effectively extends to infrastructure nowadays. Its pay tv and other retail functions are in competition with other players. But lefties have never understood anything about business or economics so it doesn’t surprise me.
I deny I am seeking high ground.
I am seeking more money so I can afford some waterfront property, though.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 04 15 at 07:00 PM • permalinkReed Richards, a spokesman for BetUs.com
Reed Richards? That’s a bit of a stretch…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 15 at 07:02 PM • permalinkThe claims in number 4:
Notice how people stuck living amongst concrete in dense inner city suburbs (because services are so bad in the bush), do compost, and do have lower average energy and water use
don’t quite stack up with this
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 04 15 at 07:18 PM • permalink#36 Then we’d have to call him “Trunky”, Sonetka’s Mom. (Or “Redwood Trunky”. Or “Extra Trunky”.)
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 04 15 at 07:32 PM • permalinkThis one hurts my brain.
“The same people who freak most at Iran’s nuke programme praise George Bush’s first strike missile ‘defence shield’ scheme,..”
How is it “first strike”? Isnt that also known as attacking?
How does a defensive weapon, made to intercept an attack gain the status of “first strike”?Am I missing some vital bit of truthiness here? I ve tried the leftist mantra “GWB me badman”, and “Zionist aieeee” but the deeper meaning is elluding me.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 04 15 at 08:03 PM • permalink#9 Amen, saltydog.
#6 Excellent rebuttal, ash—and spot-on with your #19!
—Seems to me the elephant in the living room is the failure to address substance. You know, John Kerry and his detailed, comprehensive plan for how to run things better ... (/sarcasm) The press have become a bunch of 2-year-olds. Go Internet!
#43 frollickingmole—actually, he’s on fairly firm ground there. It’s one of the derived results of MAD theory.
If each can destroy the other, that’s Mutual Assured Destruction and deters both. But if one is able to defend against attack, he is then free to attack, because destruction is no longer “assured”. Therefore seeking a defense is offensive.
And of course he is basing his thought on Vyshinsky’s Third Postulate: Every American activity is an Attack, therefore every Socialist activity however violent is a Defense. It is part of the line of thought that says opening a McDonalds is “American Imperialism” regardless of who the franchise owner may be, whereas a Soviet division overthrowing a government and installing a pro-Soviet regime is a “People’s Revolution.” Under that rubric, America always wants to attack good peaceful Socialists who are merely clearing out the weeds in their societies. This is how you get “bravely defiant” people like Castro.
Regards,
Ric#38 Francis when they first partially-privatised Telstra back in the 90s, it was the most uneven playing field you’ve ever seen.
Telstra had to provide access to their infrastructure to Optus, and there were controls in place to ensure that Telstra couldn’t price-match or undercut the competition.
It was a joke.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 04 15 at 08:59 PM • permalink7. The same people who think the ABC is the “only … pay tv” in Australia we are forced to fund (according to Blair at least) have never heard of Foxtel part owned by Telstra subsidised by govt monopoly for a 100 years.
Er…I’ve got Austar - where do I fit in this scenario?
Signed:
Baffled
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2007 04 15 at 09:04 PM • permalink45. Ric Locke
Yup understand the old MAD theory. That tends to fall a bit flat when you have a fanatic like Iminadinnerjacket who is probably counting on “peace” pressure to keep the option of MAD off the table. Either that or is nuts enough not to care anyway. I couldnt see the US being able to use MAD on tehran if they nuked israel. I just dont think the political will could be summoned anymore.
So while I can accept MAD as a key component between the “big” nations I dont think it holds up so well with Iran.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 04 15 at 09:12 PM • permalinkAbout 3,000 placed bets during the first three days on online booking, said Reed Richards, a spokesman for BetUs.com.
Wait a minute. Reed Richards, the elastic superhero who leads the Fantastic Four, is now working for a gambling website?
Oh, and I join the ranks of the contemptuous over Point 2. With an all-volunteer defense force, no one “sends” their children to war.
Wonder how Richards would answer this.
Me, I’m a vet, and I’ve got a niece about to graduate from West Point, and a nephew going into ROTC (for those unfamiliar, stands for Reserve Officer Training Corps—you get your college degree, AND officer training at the same time)—
Am I scared for them? Hell, yes. Am I proud of them? Hell, yes to the 10th power. This “chickenhawk” crap makes me want to lose my lunch.
#11 Teresa
So do I. I’ll be quite happy when we don’t have to head over to the Cape for a little salt air.
As for Fat Teddy, if we poke several holes in him, he might sink. If not, well, that’s why they make cinder blocks.
Posted by Blue State Sil on 2007 04 15 at 09:32 PM • permalink#48 mole—
Yes, you’re right. But no lefty can possibly understand that. The United States was the Opponent of the Soviet Union. The USSR is no more, but every opponent of the United States is effectively the Soviet Union in their eyes.
We often accuse them of not believing in Islamist terrorism. I wish it were that simple. They don’t believe in Islam—that is, they don’t have any internal appreciation that Islam exists. To them, the world is very simple. Anyone who opposes the United States is a good Socialist defender of the Proletariat, worthy of their support, and anyone saying different is at best a deviationist to be re-educated.
Of course it leads to nonsense. There has, for instance, never been a class so absolutely and rigidly welded to the status quo, or one so totally fearful that any tiniest change in present-day conditions will result in disaster, as modern “progressives”. But there you go. There’s nowt s’strange as folk.
Regards,
Ric8. Priest celibacy causes homosexuality does it? If that is so, then homosexuality is a nurture based outcome rather than nature. Homosexuality could then be cured, couldn’t it? Isn’t that the same defunct argument from the 50’s that your crowd likes to beat conservatives over the head with? Don’t look now, but your credibility just fell off.
9. X-rated porn is also available in the Northern Territory, you concrete boxed, east coast dwelling, no nothing about the rest of the Nation that’s not it some leftard rag, idiot. And honestly, if you don’t live in the NT or the ACT, get your porn of the net like the rest of us!
12. “If” the polar ice caps melt? I thought the debate was over? What’s with the word “if”? Hedging your bets?
19. Linking terrorism with international cuisine is thin … even by your standards. By your way of thinking we should ban Japanese hybrid cars. After all, we fought a war against them didn’t we? You can enjoy friendships with other cultures, religions and races without supporting the ideals of the radicals within their communities. Good grief, spelling out traditionally lefty ideals to a lefty.
The rest are too stupid to respond to.
Well, I earlier gave a fisking of 1-10 before the sheer wonkiness of the site’s script made me give up before finishing the rest:
1. Go to Blair’s blog and you’ll find lots of commenters who are Iraq vets. Is an advocate for Third World poor a hypocrite if he doesn’t join the Peace Corps and go to Bangladesh? Don’t be silly.
2. There are congresscritter’s kids serving in Iraq. And people avoid Michael Moore because he’s a lying creative editor. Oh, and try to get HIM on camera. Good luck.
3. Maybe he just wants a view? I know, that’s just crazy.
4. Is composting like “carbon offsets”?
5. Have no idea what this means.
6. The “standards” of your ABC are the same as our PBS and NPR - adhering to leftish orthodoxy while taking money at gunpoint from people who disagree with them.
7. Wow, you can’t stretch Turkish taffy that thin.
8. Since I support neither bigotry nor celibacy, I won’t comment. Don’t know who this Pell fellow is or what he’s doing, either. Wouldn’t surprise me if you were exaggerating, though.
9. I don’t know any free marketeer who would ban porn, myself included. Can’t say the same for lots of feminists, though.
9. You have two #9’s. This is the dumber of the two.
10. That may be the single goofiest sentence ever penned by a sentient being. A nuclear power plant anywhere in the Western world is harmless. A nuclear weapon in the hands of apocalyptic religious fanatics - not so much.
#53:
Good grief, spelling out traditionally lefty ideals to a lefty.
There’s a guy called Nick Cohen who has written a book entitled “What’s Left?” The real answer is: not much.
All their heroes are tyrants and dictators; Castro just announced that the Cuban succession will be by primogeniture, f’cat’s sake. They subscribe to the doctrine of “cultural imperialism”, which, when you scratch the shiny paint off, says that poor people around the world have to stay poor and respect their tyrants because that’s their culture. And on every issue from climate to tax policy they’re viciously vocal in demanding an absolute continuation of the status quo. They aren’t leftists. They aren’t even “progressive”. Strip away the Marxspeak and look at their actual policies, and they’re reactionary as a back-bench Tory. Col. Blimp would be embarrassed.
So yeah, you’ve gotta teach them “traditional lefty ideals.” Us rightists are the only ones left who remember what those are.
Regards,
RicWhile it is true that the purpose of a missile shield is not consistent with MAD, the proponents also recognised this fact. Thatcher, in he Churchill memorial adress, sadi this (sorry no link):
“The soviet collapse has aggravated the single most awesome threat of modern times: the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction…..if America and its allies cannot deal with the problem directly by pre-emptive military means, then they must at least diminish the incentives for [rogue states] to agquire new weapons in the first place. That means the West must install effective ballistic defences that would protect usand our armed forces, redeuce or even nullify the rogue state’s arsenal, and enable us th retaliate.”
The bit at the end is the key phrase inthe thinking behind a missile shield. We cannot hope to stop something like a suitcase bomb inserted by an agent of a rogue state, but by george we would make them pay for it, and they would not be able to stop us.
I guess that is what is lying behind the thinking of some lefties that the shield is a vehicle for attack.
of course, the premise behind the shield rests on the west having the will to retaliate….for my part, I am not convinced that we could demonstrate with enough certainty which rogue state was behind the suitcase bomb to satisfy everyone with the justice of retaliation.
There are some people in the United States of America who think that George W. Bush orchestrated the atrocities of 09/11/01…
and that Democrats are more responsible with our tax dollars than Republicans…
and that Rosie O’Donnell is a patriot…
and that suspected terrorists captured during armed conflict in a foreign country deserve the same habeas corpus rights as domestic criminal suspects…
and that tax increases actually promote economic growth…
and that spanking a child equates to abuse, but having sex with one doesn’t…
and that the “mainstream” media is politically unbiased…
and that our country is an imperialist nation…
and that public education is generally superior to private education…and that Israel is an aggressor nation, but Saddam Hussein’s regime was completely innocent…
and that Islamic terrorists are really freedom fighters…
and that the United Nations is genuinely concerned with world peace…
and that racial intolerance is more common in this country today than it has ever been before…
and that Al Gore’s movie ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ is an accurate, scientific depiction of global climatological trends…
and that worshiping God is a more objectionable practice than sodomy…
and that Marxism is a viable socio-political - and even economic - ideology…
and that Bill Clinton was impeached for having an affair…
and that the federal government is the benefactor of our individual rights…
and that calling a wealthy, left-wing, Hollywood actor a ‘Limousine Liberal’ is hateful, but calling a conservative black person an ‘Uncle Tom’ isn’t…
and that cutting down trees is more egregious than piercing the heart or brain of an unborn baby with a sharp metal object.
Considering the wholly preposterous nature of these opinions, one has to wonder how many of the folks who’ve adopted them watch ABC’s ‘The View’ on a regular basis.
“Published originally at EtherZone.com : republication allowed with this notice and hyperlink intact.”
(via Voice of the Pacific
[Now I’ll continue here and avoid the Script of Torture on the lefty site:]
Hey, you fixed the double-numbering! Good job! Might have wanted to make a note of it, though. I’ll pick up with the the former #11:
12. The WEF meets at Davos because they fear instantaneous catastrophic global-warming flooding? Yep, that’s the only reasonable explanation. Of course, the fact they spend the rest of their lives in the Flood Zone of Death is a little weird. Maybe they’re crashing on Alan Jones’s couch.
13. See (the former) number #10. This repetition must have been compensation for the two #9’s.
14. Let’s have a contest - you provide quotations of desired apocalyptic scenarios through human action from Christian leaders, and I’ll do the same from Muslim leaders. Ready, set, Google!
15. Wha? Firstly, I can’t say as I’ve heard Noam Chomsky, Pete Seeger, Dixie Chicks, Michael Frente, John Lennon, Rage Against the Machine and Muhammed Ali ever described as “Shining Path communists from Peru.” Secondly, I can’t see how describing Noam Chomsky, Pete Seeger, Dixie Chicks, Michael Frente, John Lennon, Rage Against the Machine and Muhammed Ali as “Shining Path communists from Peru” is hypocritical or inconsistent with saying they are anti-American. Thirdly, how many innocent pot brownies were destroyed in the making of this list?
16. Number one, nobody can either “let” their kids serve in Iraq or “prevent” their kids serving in Iraq. There are no “kids” in the US Armed Forces. They are adults. Their parents have no say. And whatever point you were trying to make about Syriana left me mystified. Reading this list is like watching “The Wall” on shrooms. I’ll bet writing it was, too.
17. Not familiar with this one. Prolly fortunate.
18. Again - whaaaa? Must be another one of those bizarro commie economic theories. Keep at it, boys! That’s the spirit!
19. Yes, making yummy sangers is quite different that sawing off people’s heads, crashing planes into buildings, and throwing acid in uncovered women’s faces. Pretty bizarre opinion, isn’t it? Weird, huh?
20. So if you think making fun of Mohammed is out of bounds, you must have issues with those “artists” who piss on crucifixes and crap on pictures of the Madonna, right? Personally, I think all religion is fair game. Hell, everything is. Guess I’m a free speech absolutist. But I’m sure your list of limits is very reasonable, yes?
21. Aussie thing. Not qualified to opine.22. And the bizarre non-sequiturs just keep on a-comin’.
23. WTF? Now I’ll repeat myself - how many innocent pot brownies sacrificed their chocolatey, leafy lives for the making of this list?
24. One is a problem. The other is an apocalyptic fantasy.
25. Aussie thing.
26. Aussie thing.27. Um, NOBODY died after Three Mile Island. Nobody even got a tummy ache. And trace amounts of radiation won’t give you a tummy ache, either.
28. Aussie thing.
29. Holy crap! Something we 100% agree on! I’m just confused as to why you think this is a “winger” thing. Most Di fans don’t strike me as having any political inclinations of any kind. Now you’re just sprayin’ and prayin’.
30. I’ve learned a lot about Oz from Tim’s blog. And I know that proud Australians most certainly don’t celebrate Australia as a “white supremacist colony.” They have a much higher and nobler opinion of it than you.
31. Of course. It’s better than “schroom-addled goof-spewer.”
I notice he/she repeats the same bullshit about logging in Tasmania. Is it worth repeating that 40% of Tasmania (by land area) is in reserves that can never be logged? Try this for fun - get a map of your own state and cut it approximately in half - then choose which side you want to abandon. That’s effectively what we’ve done in Tasmania (for the good of the environment).
Posted by Pig Head Sucker on 2007 04 16 at 12:09 AM • permalinkSome lesser known Science laws;
Newton’s 4th Law of Motion;
Speed (with which ageing rock stars sign up to Live Earth) is directly proportional to Mass (number of homes they own)
Browne’s 2nd Law on Diffusion;
Support for the free diffusion of people (immigration) is inversely proportional to support for the free diffusion of goods (free trade)
Darwin’s Alternate Theory of Evolution;
Hatred for the killing of adults (gun ownership and war) is inversely proportional to Love of the killing of babies (abortion)
Mo’s 1st Law of Seething
Volume (of Islamic anger) is directly proportional to Force (severity of the latest Islamic atrocity)
Wilberforce’s 1st Law of Guilt;
Guilt (as measured by public prostration) is inversely proportional to Responsibility (as measured by personal involvement)
Dawkin’s 2nd Law of God
Belief in God is inversely proprotional to belief in Gaia.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 04 16 at 12:13 AM • permalinkNilknarf I think the attempt back in the 90s was to acknowledge that telstra, as a retail telecom provider also had the infrastructure, which was built up when Telecom was a government authority. If they were going to try and implement competition in telecoms then some way of stopping telstra overcharging and denying acccess to competitors had to be found. This was particularly important back when copper wire was the main game in communications.
Mind you i don’t think it was done very well. Personally i think it would have been better hiving off the infrastructure into a separate body and lettting telstra and everyone rent it on even terms.
Re the Sydney Alterntive Media reposte:
It is sad how the left has lost the ability to laugh. Did it to themselves. Nothing was off limits for clever humorists with a left inclination back in the 60s and 70s. But now everything that was once hilariously funny is now a politically incorrect subject - races, religions, death, diseases, wars, weather (now called climate change), disabilities, accents, the French, cultures, the sexes, gays, art, the Greens, simpletons, judges, schools, the ABC ....Reminds me a joke from the Goon Show in the 1950s. Then it was the Germans.
Question: “Who says lefties haven’t got a sense of humour?”
Answer in unison: “Just about everybody”.Sorry, very long. But I just could not resist…..
1. Funny how the same people based here and the USA who most support the Iraq war have never seen active service and wouldn’t step out of the Green Zone in Baghdad in a pink fit. First and best chicken hawk example is golf loving George Bush who never served in the Vietnam War. Second is John Howard ditto.
COMMENT: So one has to have served in Iraq to comment? You are commenting on Iraq. When was your tour?
2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children, as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congress running from his camera. Example: John Howard’s sons. George Bush’s daughters.
COMMENT: Just how does one force one’s adult children to join an all-volunteer military? And if I can do this, can I force you to join? For you I choose The Hiszb’allah Happy Jihadi One-way Urban Strollers Splodeydope Unit!
3. Notice how the deniers of global warming like Alan Jones are busy buying houses in the Southern Highlands at 500 m elevation.
COMMENT: Is THAT why Peter Garret lives there? And here I was thinking it was because he is just a run-of-the-mill multi-millionaire and electrocution-themed dance artiste.
4. Notice how people stuck living amongst concrete in dense inner city suburbs (because services are so bad in the bush), do compost, and do have lower average energy and water use because economy of scale means they have much smaller ecological footprint per head than others, but still get baited as ‘concrete lovers’.
COMMENT: So by this “logic” Sydney has a lower ecological footprint than Junee. What planet do you come from, again? Ever noticed how Sydney has 3,000,000 people in it?
I thought not.
5. Notice how the “original conservationists” to quote Liberal ex leader Debnam are also the grain grower, Saddam bribe merchants, who are also the biggest land clearers.
COMMENT: Grammar, child, GRAMMAR! Debnam runs the UN?? Funny, Kofi Annan said he did, and that the UN oil-for-food program was run from his very own office. By him. Personally.
6. Funny how the best haters of the ABC (for daring to have standards) think 37 Minutes (plus 23 minutes of adverts), and ACA are documentaries.
COMMENT: You actually watch television? Why laddie, why? Just look at what it has done to your cognitive skills, my dear retarded fellow!
7. The same people who think the ABC is the “only … pay tv” in Australia we are forced to fund (according to Blair at least) have never heard of Foxtel part owned by Telstra subsidised by govt monopoly for a 100 years.
COMMENT: Little one, you cannot criticise Telstra/telecom/PMG, it was established as a government monopoly by the ALP.
8. The same people who admire George Pell’s bigotry against gay lifestyle also support the Church’s traditional ban on married priests making the Churches a hotbed of gay sexual frustration.
COMMENT: You homophobe, you. How DARE you admit that being gay is merely a lifestyle choice?
Interesting that you regard a standing Church policy a millennia old as ‘bigotry’ – you apparently define as a bigot as anyone who does not agree with you.
How bigoted of you.
(Lord, this really is a live one)
9. The same people who admire the free market also support the ‘nanny state’ banning of consenting adults doing things to eachother on film sold in Fyshwick ACT.
COMMENT: Erm, you might not have noticed this, but those videos you apparently delight in ARE actually being sold on the free market. So how are they banned, genius?
MarkL
Canberra9. The same people who reject Prof Flannery speaking out on global warming in good faith demand to be taken seriously on the topic in their newspaper (The Australian) while publishing reams of ‘special advertising reports’ for the fossil fool industry
COMMENT: Cool. Two number nines. Basic numeracy is not among your skillset, is it?
So ANYONE who speaks on gooble worming is right provided they speak in good faith.
Excellent.
I speak in good faith. Man-caused global warming does not exist and is a lie expounded by the cynical to the hysterical to profit personally from public gullibility. By your “logic”, I am exactly as right as Flannery.
Anyone is free to take out paid advertisements in a newspaper. The ALP and Greens do so, just as the fossil fuel industry has done. So they should be silenced too, eh my microcephalic friend?
10. The people who think the Simpsons mainstreaming of goofy ‘yet harmless’ nuke plants in hoky Springfield is innocent fun are the same ones most alarmed at Iran getting nuclear energy capacity because it will proliferate nuke weapon’s risk.
COMMENT: Dude. The Simpsons is a cartoon. It is NOT REAL. Homer Simpson is a fictional character. Ahmadinijad is a REAL person. he is not a fictional character. He has said several times to thunderous applause that he wants to nuke Tel Aviv. See any difference? I thought not.
11. The same people at Davos World Economic Forum happy to leave global warming ‘to the free market to solve’, if it exists at all, meet in the Swiss Alps high above the ocean, set to rise if the polar caps melt, and support a seeds repository 130 m above sea level in Norway. Rumour has it they also buy up in the Blue Mountains and sell in Double Bay.
COMMENT: Geography child, geography. ALL of Switzerland is well above the ocean. This is because it lies in the MOUNTAINS. Norway also lies above sea level (Norwegians get to breathe, that way), and also has MOUNTAINS. Lots and lots of them. Seed repositories are designed to support genetic research. Aren’t you against the hideous evil of ‘frankenfoods’ because they increase yields and save coloured people from starvation?
Also, I assume that you want public infrastructure to be built underwater. This is a clever leftist plan, especially for tunnels in the Sydney traffic system Then they might fill up, drowning people like you and raising the per capita IQ of Australia.
12. The same people who freak most at Iran’s nuke programme praise George Bush’s first strike missile ‘defence shield’ scheme, sending Russia and China into paroxysms of diplomatic protest and undoing the nuclear balance since the 1950’s and trashing the global disarmament agenda etc, because its okay to proliferate if it’s one of ours.
COMMENT: A ‘first strike missile defence shield’. <muffled laughter> Dude. How does THAT work? If you fire your ICBM’s at me I’ll… I’ll.. first, strike at the in flight missiles by trying to shoot some down!! . Anyone with the IQ of the average cactus understand that first strike refers to the nation which launched the ICBM strike. You do not, of course. Child, I know lichens which are smarter than you.
BTW, you DO know that the Russian GALOSH ABM-1 ‘first strike missile defence shield’ has been in operational service since 1971, don’t you? The USA has never had one operational… yet.
13. The same people who are most religious, indeed Rapturous, think it’s okay for W Bush to cause the end of the world with 6 billion deaths ... because he is one of ours.
COMMENT: Cool! The Second Coming is nigh! Erm… just HOW is he going to end the world? May I suggest that forcing people to read what you write will probably make most of them die laughing, while those with functioning brains will probably be bored to death. That will leave only the left, who will promptly starve.
14. The same people who call the Left anti US also think Noam Chomsky, Pete Seeger, Dixie Chicks, Michael Frente, John Lennon (!), Rage Against the Machine and Muhammed Ali are all Shining Path communists from Peru.
COMMENT: No, no, NO! Chomsky is a capitalist multi-millionaire who made his fortune playing the stock market (check it out) and who likes pretending to be a lefty as well because they are stupid enough to believe him. Pete Seeger… who the hell is Pete Seeger?? The Dixie Chicks are a talent-free zone who also happen to be very rich but brainless lefties. Michael Frente is some loser with a weird name whom I have never heard of, John Lennon is a fetchingly dead former dope fiend who once put his dick on display on an album cover, Cassius Clay is a rich but washed up brain damaged former boxer. None of these paragons for cretins are communists, they are, at best, latte revolutionaries: parlour pinks. And Il Sendero Luminoso are the communist stone killers (but I repeat myself) who run much of the cocaine trade in Peru and make their leadership obscenely rich in doing so. Apparently you like them. CHICKENHAWK! How dare you comment on Sendero Luminoso when you have never seen action with them?
15. The same people who think George Clooney, Tim Robbins, Sean Penn and Nicole Kidman (!?) “are surrender monkeys” would never let their kids serve in Iraq let alone Afghanistan and think the movie Syrianna is a documentary about the Stasi in East Germany (actually it is a doco drama, but it’s about the CIA).
COMMENT: Son, actors are empty vessels into whom writers pour a character. Actors get paid for this. If you rely on them for your geopolitical advice you will wind up writing drivel like this. Oh, wait, you already have. You think Syriana is a documentary? Funny, that country is not in the Atlas. As for the CIA, thoey would be hard-pressed to find their own bum with both hands and a road map.
16. The people who think blogging for Big Media is smart and witty have never seen The Chaser War on Everything in case it was funnier than them.
COMMENT: My 12 year old agrees with you. No adult with a functioning brain does. The American slapstick you so adore does not equal WIT, child.
17. The same people who support privatisation of all public assets built up over generations of taxpayers, scream blue murder over death taxes on private assets embedded with generations of public subsidy around a civil society, health services, public education, traffic lights.
COMMENT: This actually makes no sense. Grammatically speaking you support death taxes on traffic lights.
Umm. Traffic lights are alive?
18. The same people who think Islamofascists are around every corner still love Leb flat bread wraps from Subway, and various exotic dishes at their bbq like hummus, and Hazzem El Masri (aka Magic) when he scores a try for their rugby team. They’re okay because that’s different.
COMMENT: Hey, they are OK because they are not trying to kill me. Anyone who is not trying to kill me = OK. People who want to kill me = not good. Simple enough for you, oh toweringly gargantuan intellect?
19. There is a columnist in Sydney who thinks our moniker for him as the human rottweiler is a compliment.
COMMENT: At last, you got something right! Oh frabjous day, calloo, callay! He chortled in his joy.
One out of 31 is above average for the normal leftard.
20. The same people who think free speech demands the right to disrespect a religious Prophet for the Muslims don’t mind Mr Peek after 30 years at Tristar getting sacked with no long service payment simply for talking to the media. Free speech anyone?
COMMENT: Mr Peek? Oh yes, the man Joe Hockey intervened to assist. Isn’t Joe Hockey something? A Minister perhaps? In the Howard government, perchance?
And you certainly “disrespect” (why do you love your American terms so?) Christians – and Jesus was not a rapist, murderer, thief, lair and paedophile, which my copy of the koran states repeatedly that mohammed was. Not only that, he was PROUD of it and said all his followers had to do it too. The Bukhari hadiths also say these lovely things about mohammad – repeatedly. You want people to respect a paedophile murderer? Why?
21. The same people who think the Meeja regulator is wrong to attack Alan Jones for promoting racist street gang fights because he is just the messenger, think it’s fine to strangle the ABC funding so environment shows like EarthBeat on the real science of forest destruction and global warming can be axed.
COMMENT: Jones runs the muslim gangs based at the Lakemba mosque? I did not even know he was a mullah! As for the ABC, why should it not pay its own way? I have to. Why not those bastards? You want to watch tripe like that, YOU pay for it. I do not watch it, so why should I pay for it?
22. The same people who think that the globalisation of capital and free trade should be unfettered, and executive bonuses unlimited, are desperate to lock up refugees in Villawood desperately seeking freedom from tyranny.
COMMENT: Not desperate, child, it is merely more fun that way. How else could we poke sticks at them to make them dance?
Funny how in the points above you despise the people who ended the Iraqi tyranny. Standards = good, so double standards must be twice as good. Hey, you are a lefty, aren’t you!
23. Some people think the Devil simply got a bad rap because he never got a chance to put his side of the story, unlike say Tim Blair.
COMMENT: No, the devil basically has 1.5 billion worshippers, read the Koran and you might get that point.
24. The same people who want strict controls on harmful drugs and movement of terrorists across borders for the general public welfare also reject international action on greenhouse emission targets as unrealistic.
COMMENT: Yes, because that the planet is warming a little bit is a natural phenomena. Been happening since the joint got a climate 1.5 billion years ago. You may not have noticed this yet.
25. The same people who applaud John Howard saving forests in Indonesia with $200M in our taxpayer funds want to destroy the same natural carbon storage warehouse in Tasmania for a pulp mill of a big political donor Gunns Ltd.
COMMENT: Well, first the trees get chopped down by ACTU members, so that’s a good thing, yes? Then they plant more, again by ALP-supporting ACTU members. And you want these men out of a job – you little bewdy. They’ll vote for Howard, then – thanks!
26. The same people who argue that Tasmania already has 45% of locked up forest (even button grass and rocky peaks), also praise those horny handed sons of the soil affected by drought in this “wide treeless brown land”.
COMMENT: The ones who feed critters like you? Well… of course, my little genius. Someone has to do that job. Glad they like it because I get to eat, that way. I’d survive were I forced to grow my own food and hunt my own meat. Good luck with trying that in your low-carbon-footprint Sydney. Hunting wild lattes in the gruesome wilds of Oxford St will be tricky work for you. Growing tofu plants on your organic solar-powered balcony might be a problem too.
27. The same people who say only a few people died after Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island nuke disasters also think its cute that we can read radioactive traces of atmospheric tests of the 1950’s in every glowing silt layer on the globe from Antarctica to the Sahara to the NSW South Coast.
COMMENT: They glow? Who knew? Should save on lighting costs. Where’s that damned shovel?
28. The same people attacking Kevin Rudd for being on Sunrise show on ch7 as too exclusive and low brow, have nothing to say about the Big media companies ganging up and attacking Kerry Stokes C7 pay tv start up resulting in the biggest Meeja litigation contest in living memory.
COMMENT: The bastard! And you say Rudd is personally responsible for that? Excellent news for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy! Thanks!
29. The same people who loved Princess Di paid for the photos of the paparazzi who killed her, and seemingly want to kill her sons/girlfriends now with the same treatment.
COMMENT: People loved that airhead sloan ranger tart who was too stupid to keep her trap shut and be the Queen, and too thick to put a seatbelt on? Well, that was certainly not the VRWC, so that leaves you leftards. Why ARE you in love with the House of Windsor? Why are you such an ardent Monarchist? Why does the Duke of Edinburgh make you go all funny in the pants? Why does the sight of the Queen make you go all…. shivery? Hey, I’m just asking the questions here.
30. The same people who are ultra nationalists waving ‘our’ flag on Australia day also think we are still a white supremacist colony of the UK given the union jack in the top left corner. Independent country anyone?
COMMENT: Well, ‘independent country’ is what the Constitution says. Perhaps if you learned to think in other than slogans and learned to read you might comprehend that little point. I must also tell the Chinese Malaysian family down the street that they are “white supremacist racist Australian ultra-nationalists.” Ever since they got their citizenship certificates they have had the flag up. AND they waved them on Australia Day. Hang on a bit. I like ‘em and get on very well with them. Does that mean I support their brutal “white supremacist racist Australian ultra-nationalism?”
Child, is astounding what a reactionary dogmatist you reveal yourself to be.
MarkL
CanberraMarkL also enjoys making the baby jesus cry and pulling the wings off butterflies.
Nice work!!
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 04 16 at 03:53 AM • permalinkIf Global Warmenising is such a certainty how come the odds being offered on BetUs are so long against the seas rising ?:
“The odds that Virginia’s Cape Henry will be under water by 2015 _ 200-to-1 at BetUs.com. Its odds for Cape Hatteras flooding by the same date _ 300-to-1.”
I’d be delighted to bet against seas rising, but at 300 to 1 on, who could be bothered?
Surely AlGore could offer better odds?
News on 7 tonight was peddling the “Gold Coast will flood” frightener.
Saying that the coast council will be responsible when people can’t get insurance… bullshit. The insurance companies will make a killing insuring for something that will NEVER happen.
Seven was also pushing the barrow that the Gold Coast is due for another natural disaster, showing old footage of the eroded beaches caused by cyclones off the coast.The same people who argue that Tasmania already has 45% of locked up forest (even button grass and rocky peaks)
1) I didn’t say 45%, I said 40% (in fact it is somewhere between the two - I erred on the conservative side)
2) I didn’t say “lock up forest” but specified “by land area”. That is because I was referring to the reserves and wanted to be accurate and precise.
3) In fact, 40% of forests are also conserved so the comment about button grass and rocky peaks is wrong. This is separate to the land conservation.
4) It’s not an ‘argument’ it’s an incontestable fact.Look, I don’t think I’m going to argue you around to my point of view on this issue but I actually live here in Tasmania - I love our wilderness because I live, and hike and ride, and camp in it. I am sick to death of the misinformation about my state peddled by people who live hundred of kilometres away and simply don’t know the facts.
Posted by Pig Head Sucker on 2007 04 16 at 05:54 AM • permalink#75 Kae, all the scare mongering aside, the gold coast has been spared a disaster as described for many years. In fact we have had hardly any cyclones for nearly 25 years, and certainly none down the southern end of the state. of course, people will say this is because of global warming, but they would also say it was because of AGW if there was a year with an active cyclone season, or the gold coast beaches get eroded because of a cyclone hovering about the coral sea for any length of time, even though it has happened before! They will always win.
1. Funny how the same people who most support the Iraq war the most in Australia and the USA have never seen active service and wouldn’t step out of the Green Zone in Baghdad in a pink fit. First and best chicken hawk example is golf loving George Bush who never served in the Vietnam War. Second is John Howard.
COMMENT: The only time I thought I was ever going overseas was the First Gulf War, and I would have been sent by those two famous war heroes, Bob Hawke and Kim Beasley. Would the left be spouting the same bollocks if Saint Bob of the Beer Jug had sent me over? Doubt it.
My dear old Dad pointed out to me that if you looked at the makeup of Federal Parliament in the 1960’s, most of the MP’s were returned servicemen - mainly because they had fought a big fucking war called WWII and just about everyone with two arms and two legs pulled on a uniform. Given that we haven’t had half a million people in uniform for about 60 years, it is no surprise that so few MP’s have seen the need to serve, or seen active service. An Army of 30,000 out of a population of 20 million is - fuck, I can’t do the maths - fucking fuckall of two fifths.
2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.
COMMENT: I only know a few MP’s, and all their kids are in primary school. Would anyone care to do a census and work out exactly how many MP’s have kids in the 18-30 age bracket?
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 04 16 at 09:00 AM • permalink“16. ......think the movie Syrianna is a documentary about the Stasi in East Germany (actually it is a doco drama, but it’s about the CIA).”
Well at least we can fucking spell it…
Posted by ThinAndBritish on 2007 04 16 at 09:47 AM • permalink2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.
It turns out that none only are the children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews of US Congressmen serving in Iraq, but they do so in greater numbers per capita than than those of the general population.
Oh, and guess which party sent most of them?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 04 16 at 10:05 AM • permalinkRichardMc
Didn’t MM manage to snag, for his ‘interviews’, two Congressmen who were childless, thus causing the “running from his camera” effect?Cheers
Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2007 04 16 at 11:19 AM • permalinkFunny how the same people based here and the USA who most support the Iraq war have never seen active service and wouldn’t step out of the Green Zone in Baghdad in a pink fit.
Funny how the same people making this argument are the ones who aren’t police (and, in fact, lionize cop killers like Mumia), yet are the first to dive behind the blue wall at the first sign of anyone even remotely scary-looking. Nor are they firefighters, but they’re lightning quick on the 911 draw when the flames head in their direction. And there are damn few, if any, among them who’ve seen service, making them chickenchickenhawks.
2. Funny how the same chicken hawk supporters of the Iraq war would never send their own adult children as per the famous Michael Moore footage of the hawks of US Congressmen running from his camera. Same for John Howard’s sons. And George Bush’s daughters.
WTF is an adult child?
Posted by flying pigs over mecca on 2007 04 17 at 12:07 AM • permalinkMZ wrote:
WTF is an adult child?
Many of the folks on the left?
Posted by Patrick Chester on 2007 04 17 at 09:16 AM • permalink
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