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DEFEAT OF ICE BEGAN LONG AGO: CLAIM
Melty ice isn’t new:
The retreat of Antarctic ice shelves is not new according to research published this week (24 Feb) in the journal Geology by scientists from Universities of Durham, Edinburgh and British Antarctic Survey (BAS).
A study of George VI Ice Shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula is the first to show that this currently ‘healthy’ ice shelf experienced an extensive retreat about 9500 years ago, more than anything seen in recent years. The retreat coincided with a shift in ocean currents that occurred after a long period of warmth. Whilst rising air temperatures are believed to be the primary cause of recent dramatic disintegration of ice shelves like Larsen B, the new study suggests that the ocean may play a more significant role in destroying them than previously thought.
The University of Durham’s, Dr Mike Bentley, one of the leaders of the project said, ‘We know that rising air temperatures can break up ice shelves but there has been a suspicion for some time that the role of the ocean may have been underestimated. This is some of the first evidence that a shift in ocean currents can actually destroy ice shelves. In this case it’s possible that a preceding warm period may have primed the ice shelf to disintegrate when the ocean currents shifted.’
Curse those SUV-owning, fossil-fuel depleting humans from 9,500 years ago! Curse them!
A recent Scientific American article actually did argue that human-induced global warming began 8,000 years ago with the discovery of agriculture.
I should note that I found their evidence underwhelming and find their cheerleading for global warming theories a little unseemly.
Posted by tim maguire on 2005 03 01 at 01:08 PM • permalinkMynd you, møøse bites and mammoth farts Kan be pretty nasti…
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 01 at 03:16 PM • permalinkken’s mammoth farts? i can only imagine.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 01 at 03:34 PM • permalinkI blame Fred Flintstone and that jalopy of his.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 01 at 03:42 PM • permalinkAndrea, you’ve led me to another set of twins separated at birth: Karl Rove and Mr. Slate.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 01 at 04:01 PM • permalinkI never said ‘KEN be pretty nasti’
...altho that Kan be true at times…
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 01 at 04:07 PM • permalinkThe ice shelves are melting again? Uh, oh. That’s the last time I fart in the Atlantic.
Posted by Gary from Jersey on 2005 03 01 at 04:46 PM • permalinkEvil art people destroy ice cap with chainsaws:
’ ... tonnes of melting Arctic ice ... from Sweden’s Torne River ... were shipped at great expense more than 40,000km ... Artist Daniel Rosenbaum will use a chainsaw to sculpt two-tonne ice blocks into artworks ...’
Andrea: Fred Flinstone had the ultimate zero-emission vehicle, as all the power came from him and Barney paddling furiously along the road with their bare feet. It can only be a matter of time before Labour/Democrat governments start setting mandatory targets for the implementaton of this technology.
bourbon? oh habib, i am sorry. although it would make a nice mint julep…
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 01 at 08:37 PM • permalinkand how many trees would they have to cut down for the side panels? and let’s not even talk about the strip-mining needed for the wheels…
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 01 at 09:10 PM • permalinkLet’s not forget that Fred and Barney were both wearing FUR! Indeed, they are an environmental disaster of Exxon proportions!
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2005 03 01 at 10:20 PM • permalinkThe temperature rise hysterically predicted by the Kyotoists is a comparatively small one compared with the 10-15 degree increases of the past. Many nations like Russia only signed Kyoto in order to maintain good relations with Europe according to one Russian government official interviewed recently.
A thousand years ago the temperature was 1.5 degrees higher than it is today. That’s why when the Vikings landed on Greenland back then they named it Greenland because it was actually GREEN! Not like it is today. Today you’d require an ice-pick if you wanted to plant crops in areas of the country where they were grown a thousand years ago!
The predicted sea-level increases according to the climate change Jeremiahs is anywhere between 30 and 50cms. A rise TEN TIMES SMALLER than the one which occurred following the sea-level increase 10 thousand years ago, which cut-off Tasmania and Papua New Guinea from the Australian continental mainland. Presumably there were no coal-fired power stations back then either!G’day Bryla,
Anyone here heard about science or Carbon dioxide. No? Didn’t think so.
Ever heard of methane. Any idea of its relative effectiveness as a greenhouse gas cf. carbon dioxide. No? Didn’t think so.
What a tedious and predictable little troll you are.
NOTE TO JeffS - this will be my only feeding of this troll.
OK, it’s my opinion that Bryla, by posting such a lame comment, has officially jumped the shark as our troll-du-jour and deserves to be banned. But I’ll put it to the vote. Who else wants to send the n00b lUs4r off into the Outer Darkness?
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 01 at 11:41 PM • permalinkAnyone here heard about science or Carbon dioxide. No? Didn’t think so.
That has to rate as the most boring troll attempt so far this year. You’re right…us knuckledragging rethuglicans and libberuls (Aussie division) no hear of this sighenze thing. Ugh!
Seriously, my 18-month old nephew could come up with better trolls. Is that appalling lack of creativity a result of your day job, or was it a prerequisite? Go develop some more eco-villages or something.
More Proof That Karl Rove Is One of The Great Old Ones…
That is not dead
Which can eternal lie,
And in West Texas
Even Death may die…Iä! Iä! Wolfowitz ftaghn!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 01 at 11:46 PM • permalinkSo far, in this and other posts on this page, bryla hasn’t given evidence that he knows what “reasonable, intelligent debate” is. He still seems to be struggling with actual reading comprehension. But I may leave him and turn the wrath of embannenment on another juicy fat one, this David Heidelberg fellow. Isn’t he one of Margo’s hangers-on? I could have sworn his name is familiar; his attitude certainly is.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 12:03 AM • permalinkNo actually, that was Harry Heidelberg. Still, wonder if he’s a relative? Could run in the family, you know—moonbattery.
It’s not looking good for poor bryla… I almost feel sorry for the poor, babbling thing.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 12:07 AM • permalinkAnd Heidelberg is banned—actually, he is deleted entirely. And his IP has been blocked.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 12:13 AM • permalinkDid anyone listen to The National Interest last Sunday? (Radio National)
“Topic
When US President George W. Bush wanted to know the truth about climate change he put 13 specific questions to the National Academy of Sciences. A team of experts provided the answers, confirming that global warming was a real problem. A few weeks later the US government withdrew from the Kyoto protocol.Guests on this program:
Professor F. Sherwood Rowland
Donald Bren Research Professor of Chemistry and Earth System Science at the University of California, Irvine. Awarded the nobel prize for Chemistry in 1995 for his work on ozone depletion. Professor Roland visited Australia to deliver the 8th Kenneth Myer Lecture.”Analysis of CO2 in air that had been trapped in bubbles in the Antarctic ice allowed comparisons over the past 40,000 years. Over the past 200 years, since the industrial revolution CO2 concentrations are rising spectacularly, in a way which has never happened before.
Maybe we can laugh it all off with a joke. I’ll check that out with my 6yo son when I pick him up from school this arvo.
ha ha! yep. that’s funny. you’ll have to have flat beer in future- just to save the planet ‘n all.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 02 at 12:31 AM • permalinkG’day Bryla,
The US Senate passed a “sense of the Senate” resolution on Kyoto - 95-0 against (Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98) 1997). US constitution prevents the POTUS from ratifying any treaty without the “advice and consent” of the US Senate. Bush didn’t unilaterally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol - the US Senate killed it - Bush just acknowledged that reality.
You really don’t know anything at all do you?
P.S. I know I said I would not feed the troll but he/she/it is really such a naff twerp.
When US President George W. Bush wanted to know the truth about climate change he put 13 specific questions to the National Academy of Sciences. A team of experts provided the answers, confirming that global warming was a real problem. A few weeks later the US government withdrew from the Kyoto protocol.
I guess we’ll just play dumb and ignore that the U.S. Senate voted against ratifying Kyoto 95-0…when Clinton was President.
Aren’t you the least bit embarrassed to push this nonsensical junk, Bryla? In Public?
I must note that you admonished people in another thread for being idiots if they believe they know about violence because they’ve seen something about it on TV. Clearly, you have a similar weak spot with stuff you heard on the radio about glowball warming. Or maybe you were just projecting, as so many lefites are wont to do when confronted with facts.
Over the past 200 years, since the industrial revolution CO2 concentrations are rising spectacularly, in a way which has never happened before.
In the recent past, perhaps; don’t bet on the “never”, as there is evidence of much higher CO2 concentrations in the past, most likely from extreme volcanic activity.
Meanwhile, during this period of rising CO2, antarctic temperatures have been up and down, showing no upward trend at all.
is anyone else here late getting their check from Mr Rove? i’ve got my eye on a nice carbon-fibre stock shotgun and one of those cellphone stun guns. if i dont get the money soon i’ll have to settle on a myrotron and get the 12 gauge later.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 02 at 12:59 AM • permalinkMr Heidelberg sent me a contrite email so his IP has been unbanned and he is being allowed to resub. Bryla, however, is getting stupider by the minute. Since I need to go to bed I’m going to shut him off for the day. If you all miss him I’ll let him back in. I’m all about the giving second chances here! But I do believe in the “three strikes rule.”
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 01:11 AM • permalinkI’ll only vote to ratify Bryla’s presence here if Bryla does two things for me:
1] Tell me the % CO2 in the air exhaled by humans.
2] Name one positive effect of Global Warming, confirmed/predicted by the Kyoto supporters, and entered into the “models”. Or one not entered into the models.
That would be a good faith start.
PS, I’m not “left�, I’m conservative
Who gives a shit? You’re still an idiot, whichever “team” you bat for.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 02 at 01:37 AM • permalinkWell, I’m not too sure of the percentage of human exhaled CO2, but each human exhales approximately one kilogram of CO2 every day, so that is ummmm…. six million tonnes of carbon dioxide being added to the atmosphere every single day!
Perhaps the global alarmists and their followers could do their part for the environment, and stop breathing for a day or two each year.
What people like Bryla don’t seem to realize is that the skeptics on global warming are indeed arguing about the science. And finding it lacking in rigor or even fraudulent. See http://www.climateaudit.org/ for a blog written by one of the authors of a paper that analysed the famed Mann “hockey stick” chart of historical warming and found so many problems that Mann has already published one set of retractions and will probably have to publish more.
A specialist in hurricanes resigned from the IPCC because IPCC spokesman were misrepresenting the science.
The skeptics argue science, the proponents don’t - instead the proponents just keep repeating the mantra of “consensus”.
Let Byrla stay for now—on probation. But he/she keeps spouting junk science and revisionist history, while brushing off real evidence, BAN BAN BAN! MUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 02 at 03:16 AM • permalinkHi Miss Andrea Pacific Overlord Person, could you please post Mr Heidlebugs ‘contrite’ email please? innernut humiliation rules!!
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 02 at 03:17 AM • permalinkI did hear of one admitted positive, theoretically, from global warming. I’ve forgotten what it was.
Some areas will have increased rainfall.
Actually, I did read something that suggested increased rainfull and sunlight through a three degree warming would actually lead to an increase in agricultural production.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 02 at 03:43 AM • permalinkWhat the fuck’s wrong with a driving range in Antarctica? With the thin air, I reckon I could hit 600 metres off the tee with a Ping one wood. The clubhouse would be pretty good too- Weygu-style elephant seal and penguin pate’ sounds good to me. Equatorial areas are invariable shitholes anyway- if off to burn some tractor tyres in the back yard to kick things along.
I vote for a ban. Judging by his comments on previous posts, I predict that his obnoxiousness will only escalate. If I wanted to read such Kafkaesque drivel, I would read Webdiary.
Keep him. I don’t want to have to go to Margoworld to laugh at loonies.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 02 at 05:32 AM • permalinkIsn’t it amazing that this warming of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet happened during the Holocene Maximum? Who’d have thunk it?
I can imagine the Michael Mann response, because he’s already given it for other climatic changes:
“For instance, skeptics often cite the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warming Period as pieces of evidence not reflected in the hockey stick, yet these extremes are examples of regional, not global, phenomena.”
See the rest of my review of Sci-Am: Mann and the Hockey Stick” at climateaudit.org
John A
John A
I have been following the “hockey stick” controversy pretty closely over the last few weeks at ClimateAudit and elsewhere. I am astonished by the slapdash mathematics underlying the construction of the IPCC multi-proxy temperature record that has been so influential in persuading governments to throw in their lot with Kyoto. That Mann and co were “mining” tree-ring data for hockey stick patterns is pretty evident and if it were widely understood might bring about a revolution in people’s attitudes to climate science. I wonder whether it would be possible to present McIntyre and McKitrick’s devastating analysis in a way that is accessible to the general reader.
Bryla is unbanned! Now let’s see if he can behave.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 07:42 AM • permalinkJohn A
Shame about your being banned from davidappell.com . I looked in there the other day and found a very illuminating exchange between someone called Tom and someone called James which avoided the usual name-calling and really helped me understand what was going on - I have some experience of using PCA in financial modelling.
If the scientific establishment continues to support orthodoxy by reneging on its responsibity to do due diligence and by effectively censoring “dissident” views, we may have to rely on the internet for the critical scrutiny that science needs in order to produce progress towards the truth.
Perhaps we may see the return of the “gentleman scientist” working with data obtained online (when they will let us have it) and motivated by the desire to understand and explain, rather than to wield power and obtain grants. Who knows?
Folks, I’m amazed. Let me admit straight up that I’m not qualified as a scientist, let alone in a field as complex as earth and atmospheric modelling. That’s why I thought people might like to hear from a Nobel Prize winner. Sadly I’m told it’s junk science. Did you listen to it Jeff S, or did you just “know� its junk because it doesn’t agree with you?
This debate has been going on for at least 33 years that I know of (It was raised at an ANZAAS conference in Brisbane when I was in High school. The idea that it can be dismissed via the findings of any single study is to fly in the face of rationality.
For Jay Peden, the one positive advantage of global warming I’m aware of comes courtesy of Sir Robert Norman, President of the Cairns Chamber of Commerce.
I was speaking at a public debate last March at a forum organised by the Northern Development Association where I said that highrise is not the issue, that if global warming was a reality and the sea level rose by a metre or two we wouldn’t have a CBD any more. Sir Bob was in the audience and piped up that in case his residential property would become sea-front land worth a bundle. I guess that qualifies as a benefit.
Russel, the US Senate didn’t “kill� Kyoto, they only killed US participation in it. Did you miss out on the news that it has now been ratified?
BTW Kyoto suffers the many flaws common to multi-government compromises, so don’t pretend concern about Glowball Warming is the same as belief that Kyoto will solve the problem.
Murph, “What utter bollocks - you’re implicitly defending Harold Pinter on another thread. What kind of conservative would do that? Fucking liar.�
A: The kind of conservative who believes in freedom of expression. I’ve never read Pinter or seen one of his plays. I’m a captive of Hollywood. Love the Coen Brothers. Love the Sopranos.
I’ll keep supporting free speech and free expression murph, even your right to call me a “fucking liar�. After all, sticks and stones ……………
My glowball has been warming like billy-o, but thanks to airconditioning and ointment I can still go out in public. Kyoto must be good, because Bob Brown says if we sign it we won’t be plagued by giant globally warmed lizards. Where’s my biro?
Bryla, two points:
Russel, the US Senate didn’t “kill� Kyoto, they only killed US participation in it. Did you miss out on the news that it has now been ratified?
You don’t understand the US Constitution. President Bush only withdrew White House moral support for the Kyoto Treaty. The Senate vote however, killed the Treaty, as something that could be enforced by law. Voluntary participation is an option, I agree, but there’s no legal or economic incentive for anyone above the local tree hugger to do so.
Second…..
I use the term “junk science” for the concern over human impacts on the global climate because that’s what I’ve concluded based on my own reading and considerations. I didn’t do this from a moral or knowledge vaccum, nor from a lack of technical training. No, I’m not degreed in anything related to climatology, but I do have an engineering degree, knowledge of computer modeling, experience in statistics, and a good understanding of basic physics. Plus I do like to read.
I conclude this concern is junk science for two reasons.
First, because many of the premises or facts put forth by the proponents have been refuted in most ways. Not all, mind you, but most of them, enough that the few remaining are suspect. This includes the proponents of global warming ignoring natural phenomena (e.g., solar activity). I won’t debate them here; I am simply telling you my conclusion.
Second, I am very leary of people who earn a living by raising the hue and cry. On both sides of the fence, mind you. Making a buck off “pending disasters” (or even what food is good/bad for you) is a scam. And I don’t care if that person or organization is selling “anti radiation pills”, or if they are paying the salaries of full time employees from collected donations. Anyone that has such an income, by my lights, has a serious conflict of interests.
Together, I see the concerns over global warming as way over rated. Do humans have an impact on the ecology on a regional scale? No question, and those can/should be corrected. But global climate is much more complicated. There’s clearly a dynamic system here that we simply don’t fully understand. And people who make predictions on that level of ignorance simply have no credibility with me.
Including you, by the way.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 02 at 09:38 AM • permalinkRecently I was reading Robert Harris’s excellent Pompeii, when the passage below caught my eye. Pliny the Elder is face-to-face with the fires of Vesuvius. This is his insight:
Men mistook measurement for understanding. And they always put themselves at the centre of everything. That was their greatest conceit. The earth is becoming warmer - it must be our fault! The mountain is destroying us - we have not propitiated the gods! It rains too much, it rains too little - a comfort to think that these things are somehow connected to our behaviour, that if only we lived a little better, a little more frugally, our virtue would be rewarded. But here was Nature, sweeping toward him - unknowable, all-conquering, indifferent - and he saw in Her fires the futitity of human pretensions.
“The futility of human pretensions”. I like that.
See also here
Bryla — Did you miss out on the information that NOT ONE European state has met its Kyoto targets? Or is even trying to meet them? They only states that have are the ones it grants a license to pollute.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 02 at 10:00 AM • permalinkBryla — What does that have to do with the fact that NONE of the governments are even TRYING to honor it?
I call on the UN to establish a homeland for the displaced ice floes immediately! Otherwise we risk the Frozen Street rising up in a Frigifada!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 02 at 10:54 AM • permalinkJeff S “Do humans have an impact on the ecology on a regional scale? No question, and those can/should be corrected.�
How do you plan to correct it Jeff?
Knowing JeffS the way I do, I think his answer would be ‘by being a good citizen’. What does that mean, Bryla? It’s everyday stuff everyone should be doing that makes it better for all of us and surprise!!!, helps the mothership in the meantime. Simple, stupid stuff ~ recycle, painless and paid for by most municipalities. (Although in CA, one can augment income quite nicely doing do) ~ pick up your frickin’ trash and maybe, like we do on our sugarsand beaches here, pick up the flotsam laying around us and put it in our trash bag as we leave. Painless, again ~ don’t have a lawn in the middle of an arid zone ~ don’t leave water running as you walk around the kitchen or brush your teeth. Turn it on and off as you need it ~ turn your frickin’ lights/TV/stereo off if you’re not in the room ~ replace incandescent lights w/ widely available flourescents where appropriate. ~ do 6 errands at once instead of six separate trips AND drive the vehicle you own with the best MPG rating ~ keep your furnace/a/c filter clean and try fresh air once in a while. Clears the house out and gets your poor airlessentombed body used to them good old spores. ~ on and on, it ain’t rocket science. And holy sh*t, they all actually save YOU money!!
Love the fart jokes folks, they really add tone to the discussion.
Thank you! I started that. {8^P
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 02 at 12:24 PM • permalinkShut up you little puke. (Go ahead and tell the good people how you shop organic and feed your poor kids soy milk ~ oohhh not so quick witted now that you’ve been exposed, eh??!!)
Bwahahahaha bwahahahaha!!!Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 02 at 01:21 PM • permalinkHow do you plan to correct it Jeff?
ALERT! ALERT! DISCUSSION CHANGING TACTICS DETECTED! SET DEFLECTOR SHIELDS TO MAXIMUM BS AND NOTIFY HAZMAT CENTRAL!!! ALERT! ALERT!
Naughty naughty, Bryla! The discussion was about global warming, me bucko! While I did not expect you be to be converted to a RWDB solely based on the shining beauty of my logic (heh, I’ve always wanted to say that), avoiding an response by changing the subject is a trifle rude.
No matter. I’ll answer your question.
I’ve always tried to minimize my impact. I was picking garbage out of ditches—as a volunteer—as a teenager. Where it is available, I recycle. I prefer to peddle my bike than drive my car. When I remodeled my home, I increased the energy efficiency to the maximum possible, knowing that it would pay a return. Plus many of the things the tree hugging sister (Semper Fi!) noted.
What is seldom appreciated by activists that a passion for a cause need not be full time. You just have to do you part, however small. BUT…...the objective has to be practical. If I thought that reducing CO2 emissions made a difference, I would attempt to do just that. Since I don’t, I won’t.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 02 at 01:57 PM • permalinkTHS, thanks for the fart jokes! :-D
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 02 at 01:58 PM • permalinkTalking of flatulence, does anybody know if New Zealand imposed its cow fart tax?
First, hope and pray everyone is well and damage minimal.
JeffS Why, thank you, suh. Entirely my pleasure. {:^)
Bryla, I forgot to add: turn off the dry cycle of your dishwasher. When it hits rinse and hold, unlock the damn thing, pull the top rack out a smidge, lean the door against it and let the heat rushing out air dry the dishes.
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 02 at 02:30 PM • permalinkA bit late on this but….
What a tedious and predictable little troll you are.
Russell…shouldn’t that be “What a tedious and predictable little fart you are”?
All, in the spirit of keeping the methane references going of course.Posted by Bucky Katt on 2005 03 02 at 03:45 PM • permalinkPS, I’m not “left�, I’m conservative.
Looking back at this, and then comments such as “I hang around lefty blogs, but was sick of preaching to the converted”, your sympathy for those poor downtrodden men of Macquarie Fields, your Kyoto Protocol fetishism…. do you hold any “conservative” beliefs at all?
Or is it just a fig leaf you’re using in here because you think it might get in you into the crowd?
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 02 at 04:20 PM • permalinkOT: hey, Adam B, could you check your email settings? I am getting bounced emails from you replying to your comment here.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 07:05 PM • permalinkHeads up, guys! I think I’ve figured out the true identity of “Bryla” here: it’s John Kerry!
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 07:16 PM • permalinkNo, I mean he claims to be living large off his rich wife. That’s why I put the link up there, see? But it seems that Nuffy has found out something interesting.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 02 at 07:44 PM • permalinkJeff S, Tree Hugging Sister, may the force be with you. Individual contributions are good.
We need a bit of structural adjustment too. Urban planning - mixed use, medium to high density “villages” served by appropriate transport, efficient water & energy systems, plus appropriate design.
e.g. in Cairns more than 20% of our water supply exits through leaky pipes before it gets to any consumer. The first thing to go in housing/unit development (in a tropical climate) is eaves to shade windows, plus they build in cement block (the most thermally inappropriate material). Both these make air-conditioning mandatory.
They might be cheap to buy, but their expensive to run and pump out the greenhouse gasses real good.
If all the costs were factored in, Capitalism could function sustainably. While greed-heads are in charge we’re going down the toilet.
By the way, I never, ever talk about saving “the planet”. The planet is robust. It’s whether or not there’s a place for humans on it that’s at issue.
Oooh, better late than never?
I know of a positive impact of global warming (here, teacher, here!!)
We’ve got, like, this big hole in the ozone, right? The only thing that makes atmospheric ozone is lightning, right? Global warming means more clouds and rainstorms and lightning, right?
therefore (can’t figure out how to do that triangle of dots from geometry)
global warming = shrunken ozone holeQED
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Tough choice no longer - my vote is for banning the chardonnay socialist.
The absolute arrogance of these people is breathtaking, believing that human greenhouse gas emissions could possibly alter the climate of the world one iota.
Our resident troll will not attempt to provide scientific rationale and evidence, but relies upon “consensus” like all of its fellow travellers.
“Consensus” is not science. Never has been, never will be.
Ban the troll.
thanks for the deletion andrea. bryla has a perfect right to post under whatever name he desires. he should be judged on the strength of his ideas, not on their relation to his life outside the internet.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 02 at 08:54 PM • permalinkoops, my bad. it’s in another thread. oh well.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 02 at 08:57 PM • permalinkbryla, i’m confused.
first you say
When US President George W. Bush wanted to know the truth about climate change he put 13 specific questions to the National Academy of Sciences. A team of experts provided the answers, confirming that global warming was a real problem. A few weeks later the US government withdrew from the Kyoto protocol.
then you say
BTW Kyoto suffers the many flaws common to multi-government compromises, so don’t pretend concern about Glowball Warming is the same as belief that Kyoto will solve the problem.
ever consider that W agrees with you with regard to Kyoto?
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 02 at 09:09 PM • permalinkmind you, as others have pointed out, Kyoto was negotiated under Clinto who never submitted it for Senate approval, and the Senate passed a resolution against it 95-0 as noted above.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 02 at 09:11 PM • permalinkI must admit it’s phenomenal how Bryla can still claim with a straight face that we’re scared of his “new ideas” after he’s been smacked around the blog for days and been debunked fifty times over.
I guess that’s the logical outcome when it’s an article of faith (as it clearly is for him) that you’re smarter than everybody else.
Bryla, I know this won’t get through that thick skull of yours, but let me state it anyway: You’re the pseudo-intellectual joke of the month here at Tim Blair’s. In case you don’t have a PhD already, we really need to present you with an honorary one, just to complete the stereotype of the overeducated, socio-conscious moron that you so aptly represent in your comments.
As long as we’re quoting Shakespeare, it’s pretty clear Bryla is a “great eater of beef…”
Andrea — I think you’re wrong. I think Bryla was the copy-editor on Gore’s Earth in the Balance. You know, the book that says all life on earth ended in the year 2000.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 02 at 09:16 PM • permalinkA fan of Michel Foucalt?? Not bloody likely.
Post-modernism is so really “last century”, don’t you agree?
Let me state for the record one last time: It doesn’t matter how many Ph.D’s make a statement on global warming, or “climate change” as the fence-sitters now call it, in the absence of scientific analysis and proper investigative protocols, the conclusions are crap.
There is a whole industry feeding at the public trough who naturally enough support each other’s conclusions. This is “consensus”, not science.
gee bryla, margie didnt even take your last name ? guess she pays the bills so she calls the shots eh. you need some spine boy! get some respek!
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 02 at 09:54 PM • permalinkMedium to high density “villages”? (Gag!) Haven’t these been tried before? All those places in the UK called “Newtown”? The Bronx? Redfern?
But, Bryla, I will grant you this much—I think you are dead right about construction styles becoming more and more inappropriate. Here in Perth, eaves on houses are now virtually nonexistent, or merely a vestige upon which to hang guttering. Walls are exposed to the full sun, as are the vast expanses of glass so favoured today. And increasingly, the roof material of popular choice is—Colorbond—black! Because of the water “shortage”, greenery is rapidly going in new housing estates, replaced by “blackery”—stunted native plants with acres of black mulch OR white stones, to reflect the heat back at your neighbours. Gumtrees are still torn out and replaced by palms. No wonder then, that house after house after house has either reverse cycle air-conditioners or the poor cousin, evaporative cooling units on the roof.
But that’s all I’m going to agree with you about. (And they’ll probably take away my “I Love Tim” badge for even that!)
Surely people should be able to build whatever they like on their own property? Councils have gone berserk lately with green by-laws that achieve bugger all and cost a poultice (and what’s the betting on the councillor who introduced the bill having a brother-in-law who supplies or builds the very item required by the legislation?) I wish you could air-condition the outdoors- I’d go outside more often.
As for gum trees, the more of them cut down in urban areas the better- they’re lightning rods, explode in fires, are messy bastards and encourage koalas to move in and noisily fornicate (and poop all over your car). Palm trees are nearly as bad, dropping fronds and berries all over the place and breeding hordes of enormous cockroaches. Some peabrain in local government here in Brisbane had the brilliant idea of planting jacarandas along several busy roads, and they flower right on time for the wet season; a combination of decaying flowers and water is much better at causing road accidents than spraying the bitumen with sump oil on a daily basis. Fig trees are the spawn of satan.
Andrea, now I’m offended (congratulations), and I wonder what you’re going to do about it.
I don’t mind the insults and personal abuse that runs through this post. I don’t mind that some people want to find out who I am.
But rosceo has invaded my wife’s privacy (very clever use of intellect), and you have published the comment that colludes in that.
Is this really the kind of world that you and Tim are trying to create - where any kind of stupid and bigotted behaviour is OK when its done to people who think differently from yourselves?
I know that a lot of the pretend gun-nuts on these pages are just full of piss and wind, and they can say/do anything they like in relation to me and my opinions, but let’s keep a little decency in sight eh?
I’m not referring to my wife in these pages any more, and I’ll ask other decent contributors to respect that.
You’re a hypocrite Habib, and you carry hate in your heart. If you’re not careful it’ll consume you.
rosceo’s obviously done a search to find out personal details that I certainly didn’t mention. His only purpose can be some kind of malign retribution. Why doesn’t he argue the issues?
Perhaps I was a fool to believe that people on this post would be interested in the exchange of ideas.
In my past I’ve been monstered by experts, but none of them have targeted innocent others.
You people are worse than the ALP.
We’re all hypocrites, bryla, yourself included.
but as i said before i don’t like any information from someone’s personal life being bantered about.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 02 at 10:56 PM • permalinkCopy of my e-mail to Tim Blair
“If you’re at all genuine, I want you to check out entries 104 and 125 on “Defeat of Ice Began Long Ago: Claim”, and entry 102 on “Riots explained”.
Your site administrator has colluded with two juvenile posters on the log to reveal my identity to your readers, in a way which she has not done for any other contributer. This is not so bad, after all I didn’t go to any great lengths to hide it.
However she has also revealed the identity of my wife, who has nothing to do with my opinions.
I’m off to search for privacy laws in NSW (I assume that’s where the Blog runs from), and Queensland, where the material has been published and is likely to cause its most harmful effect).
I am disappointed that you seem unable to live within the bounds of decent behaviour, and would like to hear from you that you’r going to delete my wife’s personal details from your site, and offer both of us an apology for the bad (criminal?) behaviour of your web administrator.”
Who out there believes I’ll get a civilised response?
Bryla:
Bryla:
We have heard the ideas ad nauseaum. The contention is that adoption of the Kyoto protocol will save us from the destruction which will be inevitably caused by global warming.No one has been able to tell us what this destruction really is. They make references to rising sea levels but there is no evidence that this is occurring.
They say that the incidence of destructive weather events will increase but again there is no evidence that this is occurring. We have always had cyclones and hurricanes.
The implicit argument is that any climate change is bad. Remember when it was global cooling in the 70s.
It’s bad if there is cooling and its bad if there’s warming so implicitly the climate must remain static. In 1990 we had the ideal climate and we must get back to that.
That is the logic of the Kyoto proponents yet they freely admit that the Kyoto protocol will do virtually nothing to arrest the warming they say is occurring now.
So Bryla what is the point of all this? Is it just a symbolic gesture to feel warm and fuzzy for doing “something” and it doesn’t really matter whether it really means anything.
As long as we punish ourselves for our capitalistic indescretions we should all feel better for it while we still fry.
Is this a reasonable summation?
Surely people should be able to build whatever they like on their own property?
‘Course they can—as long as they don’t suck up everyone else’s energy because their places are so inefficient. We haven’t got enough of that electricity stuff here in Perth, so they have to turn off our power on a regular basis anyway. The guvmint’s excuse? “Ummm, we didn’t buy enough gas to run the turbines fast enough.”
Councils have gone berserk lately with green by-laws that achieve bugger all and cost a poultice (and what’s the betting on the councillor who introduced the bill having a brother-in-law who supplies or builds the very item required by the legislation?) I wish you could air-condition the outdoors- I’d go outside more often.
I agree—on both counts.
As for gum trees, the more of them cut down in urban areas the better- they’re lightning rods, explode in fires, are messy bastards and encourage koalas to move in and noisily fornicate (and poop all over your car).
We don’t get too many wild bushfires in the metro area. And we don’t got no koalas here in the West neither. (Except in the zoo and at Yanchep National Park—and the bastidds won’t let you shoot ‘em in either place!)
Palm trees are nearly as bad, dropping fronds and berries all over the place and breeding hordes of enormous cockroaches. Some peabrain in local government here in Brisbane had the brilliant idea of planting jacarandas along several busy roads, and they flower right on time for the wet season; a combination of decaying flowers and water is much better at causing road accidents than spraying the bitumen with sump oil on a daily basis.
But they’re s-o-o-o-o pretty. Where’s your soul, man?
Fig trees are the spawn of satan.
You won’t get an argument out of me on that one! I can’t even stand the smell. :-)
B1WOZ said:
“We haven’t got enough of that electricity stuff here in Perth, so they have to turn off our power on a regular basis anyway. The guvmint’s excuse? “Ummm, we didn’t buy enough gas to run the turbines fast enough.â€?This is a great laugh isn’t it. What business complains that it has too many customers?
Firstly Bryla you started of with a snotty comment then revealed details of your domestic arrangements. Get the though your think head.
Don’t go pleading for a “civilised response”.
Secondly, It’s you who made contemptible remarks about your wife’s family.
YOU are the one that’s causing the “harmful effect” to your wife.
“offer both of us an apology for the bad”—Bryla.
Evan at the bitter end your still hiding behind your wife. despicable creep!!.
G’day Bryla,
Good luck with researching privacy laws in NSW and QLD - Andrea lives in Florida USA.
Most of the posters here have been playing with you because you are just an obvious troll and not very bright. I know that the concept that your immense brilliance is not immediately obvious to everyone will come as a huge shock to you, but that is the way of the world.
You assume that you are above us - how amusing.
some of bryla’s “work” (if living of the public and his wife’s tit can be called “work”):
http://www.wri-irg.org/nvse/nvse-law-en.htm
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/NvT/42/4.txt
http://www.uq.net.au/~zzdkeena/NvT/42/3.txt
http://www.barfly.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&id=4083
Brian sure fixed the little red wagon of those evil cable-car goons; what’s the betting on him being as successful at getting Kyoto ratified?
and just because I’m feeling scientific . . .
Yes, there may be greater concentrations of CO2 in antarctic ice samples in the last 200 years than in the previous thousands, but that does not mean the earth was not warmer than it is now back then.
For example, the Romans planted grapevines in England 2000 years ago - too cold to do that now.
And the Vikings called Greenland Greenland because it was, er, green.
actually, bryla is conservative. He’s what P.P. McGuinness calls the Anti-Vietnam RSL, those old change-hating luvvies.
By this standard, George W. Bush is the real radical: radical for realising that the West has been playing a game where no one wins but tyrants; radical for not signing bullshit UN protocols because they’re bullshit; radical for calling a spade a goddam shovel; radical for calling a New York Times reporter “that asshole from the New York Times”; radical for saying what he means and meaning what he says; and radical for saying what he’ll do and then actually doing it.
I am a 40-year-old man of Anglo-European culture
As opposed to being an Australian
I started out life in the working class, but couldn’t handle the soul-destroying nature of the work and the prospects this involved. So I dropped through to the bottom of society and became no class in particular, a hippy and a dole-bludger.
I am a lazy sod who couldn’t face a hard day’s work, but since I am not even honest enough to admit that I am lazy, I’ll make up some pissweak excuse about how hard work is soul destroying. It was not enough to insult hard working members of society by implying that they are trapped in a meaningless existance, so I decided to also thieve from them through the welfare system.
I experienced around fifteen years worth of constant put-downs for “failing” as a man and as a human being.
Which was a great trade off for not having to get off my bone idle arse for that long and contribute to the system which maintained my sorry existence.
I gradually turned to political activism, to become a “greenie” and a dedicated disciple of nonviolence - as a lifestyle and a means of personal empowerment and growth.
The end result of being a parasite was that I no longer knew the true value of life or property and was no longer able or prepared to defend either.
As a political activist in Queensland, I’ve spent my share of time in prisons for civil disobedience.
Imprisoned because…you know…Queensland is a fascist state which locks people up for civil disobedience.
I’ve worked with men as perpetrators of domestic violence (there’s lots of ‘em in prison).
and I use words like ‘em, because I’m all working class ‘n’ everythin’. Fuck yeah! No let’s go find some blokes and help them beat their bitches.
I’ve seen my share of oppressive culture and its results. I’ve worked in lots of ways at trying to change it.
And have achieved sweet fuck all.
I went to University as a mature age student and found it all very interesting - a nest of privileged powerlessness. Every organisation which I’ve worked with since 1979 has had an analysis of patriarchy and a “pro-feminist” orientation of one kind or another. I have not always found this easy to cope with.
In fact, after spending fifteen years bludging off welfare, I decided to burden society further by attending a university course where I would end up working in useless jobs for the next 16 years. How empowering of me. It also taught me how to construct meaningless phrases like privileged powerlessness.
wank, wank, wank, etc etc etc
Okay, Bryla, you weak, pissant, shrivel-balled, pencil-dicked piece of sputtering sump oil, you are banned. Why? Because you have the FUCKING GALL to LIE BALD-FACED and claim that I brought up your wife, when YOU were the one who bragged about how you were married to some rich girl so you didn’t have to work hard. I’ve also blocked your IP. The Bryla Show is OVER, folks. Here is the entire quote, information YOU offered (and god help me I thought you were joking, I thought no one could be so utterly without morals or scruple that he would actually brag about something like this):
My only knowledge of the rich comes from my wife’s family who’ve been “owning class� for three generations now. Owning class is having enough property and investments to live comfortably without working. The capital grows and we live on the interest.
I live in a house my wife owns, drive a car she pays for, and put out my hand when I need money for leisure or projects. We live among the trogs and try to build healthy community.
BTW, we’re still able to collect middle class welfare. Family tax benefit allows us to have a house and up to $200,000 in cash before becoming ineligible. We’re OK until M’s next inheritance.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 03 at 12:58 AM • permalinkPleeeeese, let him back, we’ll clean up after him, feed him and walk him, I promise! Even if I am currently being consumed by hate (better than being consumed by tumors) I feel a deep warmth for Bryla- he’s the biggest pillock I’ve encountered in a coon’s age, and more fun than stealing pencils out of a blind beggar’s cup.
aww.. why cant we all just get along?
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 03 at 01:11 AM • permalinkI don’t find his attempt to claim that I and others here “invaded his wife’s privacy”, thus:
But rosceo has invaded my wife’s privacy (very clever use of intellect), and you have published the comment that colludes in that.
when he was the one who brought her up to be very amusing. Also some of his other comments on previous threads started to bother me—especially his talk about all the time he spent in prison. I have nothing against people who’ve served prison time per se—anyone can turn their life around after doing wrong—but something about the things he said struck me as off somehow. So he is banned.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 03 at 01:24 AM • permalinkhey, i just noticed Bwyan’s reference to living among ‘trogs’!. what a bigot. the pompous twat’ll be the first one up against the wall when the revolution comes! pwoperty is theft bwyan! you and your ‘owner’ relatives are goin’ down pal!
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 03 at 01:29 AM • permalinkSteve69 — Pause here for indignant snivel over the difference between “reactionary” and “conservative”...
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 03 at 01:38 AM • permalinkI don’t enjoy watching trolls dick about in comment threads myself, it’s not amusing for me to watch idiots stick their hand in the fire and then play the victim.
... okay, maybe a little, but only when we pour gasoline on them. *imagines Bryla writing another sputtering missive off to Tim about being threatened and what not*
No, Quentin! The mere thought of that wanker shaking his fist at the screen and tossing sleeplessly at night over our mere ability to exist outside of his influence is too delicious to give up!
Besides, who takes the name BRYLA out of Brian Law, anyway? Dude probably wears a tutu at the keyboard. OH SNAP AND HE CAN’T POST BACK! I AM YOUR MOM AND I JUST DROVE YOU TO SCHOOL IN THE CAR OF PAIN! SAY IT BRYLA!
Oh, wait, YOU CAN’T!!!!
The only thing that fool wants is to keep reassuring himself that we’re all a bunch of nazis for not agreeing with him. It’s getting harder and harder for folks like Bryla to adjust to the realities around them.
Not only have Howard and Bush been soundly re-elected, the Middle East is blooming with progress and the history books of the future won’t be thanking the introverted thinkers of Webdiary for that revolution.
Tiny, angry men consumed by hate, desperate to gain some sort of victory over the rest of us. Let them rot in the pits they dig.
Bwywah hasn’t emailed me yet :( i’m feeling vewy sad :( hey bwy?! sortelli is your mum and he just drove you to school in the ‘car of pain’ lol!!
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 03 at 03:03 AM • permalinkSo, anyone else been e-mailed by the wise and patient Brian Law?
*raises hand*
I guess I’ll handle my (sort of) response in here.
from Andrea:
when he was the one who brought her up
Bingo. The site Nuffy referred to, I’d found a couple days ago already (didn’t feel like making much of a deal of it at the time, although the careful reader can probably figure out when and where I’d dropped a few hints about it), but I had NO idea that the other person listed on it was his wife…until he referred to her as “M”, repeatedly. I don’t care much about rosceo’s gratuitous slam up-thread, but really, duh. Don’t make arguments based on your family situation if you don’t want people to talk about your family.
I can only conclude that this was an offshoot of his subconscious belief that we’re all completely devoid of intelligence here…morons like us simply can’t be expected to put 2 and 2 together, no matter how many facts we’re being fed. Gasp, some of us have some basic skills in reading comprehension and know how to use Google. Invasion of privacy!
The mind truly boggles.
On the all time Tim Blair trolls, Bryla is surely in the top ten…
1) Crock “Lunchboy” o’ Tim
2) Miranda “Hate-Filled Diatribe” Divide
3) fat “Jew-Hatin’ Sites are fact-a-licious” fingers
4) Mork “The Sun rises in the East? Bah, try the WEST! Whaddya say about that?”
5) Rhys “Da Internet was created by Hippies for the Good of da Mankind!”Good times.
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 03 03 at 03:40 AM • permalinkAnother chapter in the sad and pointless Life of Bryla
Sugar shire bitterness claims scalps
Michael Madigan
March 29, 2004CAIRNS Mayor Kevin Byrne is back in power but sugar anger in the far north may have played a part in unseating many of his neighbours.
The Local Government Association of Queensland has suggested the sugar downturn may be behind a series of electoral boilovers across the north.
In the tourism city of Cairns, where sugar no longer dominates the economy, Val Schier from Team 04 still managed to give the Cairns incumbent a fright.
Ms Schier won 41 per cent of the vote compared with Cr Byrne’s 50.56 per cent as head of Cairns Unity.
Independents Ted Von Nida and Bryan Law picked up only a handful of votes.
Thanks to Google Cache
GOOGEL IS THE ENEMIE AND MUST DIE!!1!!shift-one
Some choice bits:
Bryla emailed me. I declaimed responsibility for the banning, fearing the mighty smite of warming’s focus upon me - Bryla might call in a “study” asking Gaia to burn down my house first.
I did ask again for just one positive effect estimated by the esteemed “science” behind warming alarming in my reply[!].
This is the most stupendous “scientific” fraud I’ve seen.
I did ask again for just one positive effect estimated by the esteemed “science� behind warming
Why, you should know there is none. Absolutely zero. Worse than that, even Halliburton banks on global warming. Higher temperatures mean that dead plants decompose more quickly, leading to the formation of new mineral oil deposits in several million years less than would otherwise be the case!
And only stupid racist warmongering Bu$hitler acolytes wouldn’t find that alone to be reason enough to oppose global warming.
Murph: oops. Sorry!
Quentin: heh. I haven’t seen any of the others on your list pop up anywhere else, but Mork has taken out to hanging around Michael Totten’s and Jeff Jarvis’s sites.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 03 03 at 08:07 AM • permalinkSteve68:
And the Vikings called Greenland Greenland because it was, er, green.
Hmmmm..I thought that Eric the Red had named it “Greenland” as a propaganda ploy to lure other vikings over for settlement.
Posted by Bucky Katt on 2005 03 03 at 09:37 AM • permalinkNo e-mail for me from Bryla. Possibly because I insulted him without cussing (I’m practising my sarcasm and backhands). OTOH, I do have other ways of discouraging small brained, big mouthed trolls.
PW—I saw your hint. Yep, Bryla is an idiot.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 03 at 09:37 AM • permalinkPossibly because I insulted him without cussing
No, it’s because you thanked me for the mammoth farts.
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 03 at 10:16 AM • permalinkNo, it’s because you thanked me for the mammoth farts.
which you are justifiably well known for.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 03 at 10:17 AM • permalinkMr. Bingley — You too, huh? Did he lay that little guilt trip on you, also? Lucky for me I’m a registered Democrat and can’t feel guilt.
Tim — Your very title for this thread proves your dogmatic bias. This ice isn’t being “defeated,” it’s being oppressed!
Demand the Right of Return for the glaciers! Frigifada!
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 03 03 at 10:31 AM • permalinkonly a little of the “everybody picks on me” bit richard.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 03 at 10:35 AM • permalinkBingley BASTARD!!
As if everyone from here to Australia to the UK didn’t know you’re the biggest gas bag on the melting mothership, hence my much lamented familiarity with mammoth (adj.) farts.
<u>Main Entry: fart</u>
Function: noun
1 often vulgar : an jet propelled expulsion of intestinal gas : see Bingley
2 often vulgar : a foolish or Bingley-like contemptible person.Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 03 at 10:54 AM • permalinkThank you, THS. And I don’t believe Mr. Bingley. Marines never fart; they conduct biological warfare on a personal level.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 03 at 12:16 PM • permalinkDo I see you defending me in abstentia to Bryla? Huh? Huh? Answer me!
Oh, hear that hollow echo!
And I have to agree, you are only “often” vulgar. But I’ll give you this much: I think you can work your way up (down?) to “always” vulgar, if you put your mind to it.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 03 03 at 01:08 PM • permalinkHandsomely, handsomely said, JeffS! A beautiful sentiment.
Bingster should refrain from his mainly profane methane acid-rain pain exclaim-ations. Pffft.
Posted by tree hugging sister on 2005 03 03 at 01:11 PM • permalinksort of like it is when michael moore is around?
(sorry. we haven’t mentioned him in so long. i kinda miss picking on the guy)
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2005 03 03 at 06:40 PM • permalink“If I can’t dance to it, it’s not my revolution”.
Such a good line from the self promoting Bry-Law.
It should be remembered and etched onto his tombstone. Leave him at Margo’s. He belongs there.
For Habib, on the other hand, I would have to hark back to Rob Roy MacGregor’s famously brief epitaph: Habib Despite Them!
This guy is not easy to put down.I’ve been away too long. This has to be the funniest and longest troll baiting I have seen. I have this mental impression of how he thinks of himself: the valiant one, battling the forces of evil, darkness, and methane emissions, all alone against the ravening horde…
ROTFL indeed.
Anyhoo - climate change. Before we all simultaneously fry, freeze, drown and die of thirst because we did not sign the Kyoto nonsense, check this out. There is more, of course, for those interested. But the guts of it is that the Lake Toba eruption (which seems too mild a word for such a catastrope) punched something like 2,800 cubic kilometres of ash in to the air, entrained in perhaps 5-100 times that much toxic gas, caused an instant global winter and damned near wiped out the human race somewhere around 70,000 years ago.
That is something like 3,360,000,000,000 tons of ash entrained in what might be more gaseous crap than humanity has ever produced or ever will. All in a couple of months or years.
And we are supposed to be shitting bricks about the amount of crud that humanity pumps out? Puh-leese!
I’m off to put some lead-laden super into my V8 P-76 (I hear and SCORN your hysterical laughter!) and drive around the city a couple of times.
Hmm. Hang on, I have not replaced all the Lucas electrics yet. Make that around the block LOTS of times.
http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/southeast_asia/indonesia/toba.html
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/evolution/
MarkL
CanberraIf you’re using Lucas electrics, make that around the block no times- the *Prince of Darkness is the greatest friend of greenies.
*Prince of Darkness- the name given to JB Lucas, the producer of the worst ignition systems ever to cause anyone with a pommy vehicle to stop dead for no reason whatsoever. Both my Norton and Triumph run Mikuni carbs and Nippondenso rigs-heresy, sure, but they actually run. I had the misfortune to have a TR6 with Lucas fuel injection, and it would have worked better if I drank the petrol and pissed it into the inlet manifolds.MarkL, wires are wires generally, except for Ladas.
The 4.4 was a treasure if you turfed the Lucas componentry - try a Mitsubishi 2.6 starter motor (fits perfectly), 110 Bosch alternator (with a bit of butchering), and a VH Commodore hall-effect distributor (bit of a puzzle).
However, the biggest mystery of the P-76 is changing the passenger rear shock absorber….
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I will not rest until all glaciers are advancing and the Artic Circle moves South 2 degrees.
Seriously, a few years ago the global warming alarmists suddenly realized that the whole Ocean volume would have to be warmed up in order to achieve warming’s disasterous effects - warming being always disasterous, as we have proven without doubt.