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DEATH APPLAUDED
The anti-war movement loses a friend:
A dismayed protester walked away from an anti-Israel rally yesterday in Canberra when supporters applauded the death of an Australian who was killed fighting for Israel a fortnight ago.
The speaker who provoked the applause—for the death of Assaf Namer—isn’t identified.
(Via Peter)
The speaker who provoked the applause—for the death of Assaf Namer—isn’t identified.
Well, he / she should be.
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 08 13 at 10:30 AM • permalinkAnti-war doesn’t necessarily mean pro-peace.
Posted by surfmaster on 2006 08 13 at 10:32 AM • permalinkCanberra Islamic Centre vice-president Diana Abdul-Rahman welcomed the UN resolution, but questioned its validity.
I’m listening to a Pajamas Media podcast interview with US Ambassador to the UN John Bolton right now, and he says in so many words that the resolution is only a piece of paper and calls for an end to the war but NOT the “immediate cessation of fighting”. His point is that the US is supporting the resolution ONLY IF Hezbollah abides by its restrictions. Any takers on whether that happens?
“Israel has never, ever abided by a UN resolution. There are over 80 UN resolutions currently Israel has to apply.
Why should they, when UN resolutions routinely call for Israel to submit to measures that will lead to their genocide?
I’m feeling better about this so-called UN resolution. I’m thinking the US is posturing to ease up Eurabian pressure, and Israel is saying, “Yeah, yeah, we’ll get to that as soon as we mop up Hez.”
The charlatans protesting for “peace” with their ridiculous signs and giant puppets can kiss my ass. They’re irrelevant.
I’m feeling better about this so-called UN resolution. I’m thinking the US is posturing to ease up Eurabian pressure, and Israel is saying, “Yeah, yeah, we’ll get to that as soon as we mop up Hez.”
I’m with you on this, Rebecca. I was angry when I first heard about the cease-fire, but after sober reflection and reading some opinions, I realized that the cease fire depends on Hezbollah’s cooperation….which means that the fighting will likely go on in spite of the UN resolution.
BTW, Rebecca, I’ve not received your e-mail so I can send you that screen capture. I sent you one…..did you get it?
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 13 at 10:44 AM • permalinkThe problem, is that “world opinion”, fed by a culpable media and Arab propaganda, will immediately turn on Israel for “ignoring” the UN resolution.
Never mind the fact that Hezbollah is also “ignoring” it. No no… Israel will be the sole recipient of Koffi Annan’s condemnation.
There’s a great primer on the UN and Israel here.
A representative of the Jewish community, David Hermolin, who condemned Israel’s military action against Lebanon, refused to comment on the incident.
Bzzzt. Wrong Canberra Times.
He wasn’t a “representative” of anything other than himself. The correct term was a “member” of the Jewish Community, and I suspect a rather unpopular one at that..
And the same sort of thing happened at the competing Toronto protests:
http://tinyurl.com/sxcxr
There are pictures here too, but the most telling anecdote is from the paragraphs at the bottom of the post, just above the “Update”. [h/t Kathy Shaidle at relapsed catholic blog]Posted by andycanuck on 2006 08 13 at 10:59 AM • permalinko/t Former High Court Justice and Refugee Activist Marcus Einfeld blames a female American friend who was killed in a hit and run in 2002 for a much more recent speeding fine of $77 -claiming she was driving the car.
He has also been criticised by “some circles” for using the title Judge etc and legal qualicications being listed on documents relating to the case.He has not been in those legal positions for 5 years and “some circles” say that even if he was currently a judge, the employment guidelines recommend that the titles not be used if it could be construed as an expectation of (request for special treatment).Goddamn if we don’t do something soon, the Muslims will occupy a big position in our nation and then we’re fucked. The worse aspect is that the Left, the Labor, the Democrats, the Greens, our own judiciary leaders and the other idiots are actively colluding with the Muslim agenda. As Theoden said, “How did it come to this?”; “What can Men do against such reckless hate?” France is already as good as fallen. Pretty soon the Muslims will complete their conquest of Europe. And people laugh at the idea.
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 08 13 at 11:28 AM • permalinkFor them of us what likes to think that the agitpropers are nothing more than an irritation, please do some mental recall and go back to what your opinions of radical islamos were 7 or so years ago.
Then, in the minds of those that were not paying any real attention, they were just an irritation, until suddenly they so so terribly much more.
There comes a point when the inability to recognize a growing danger becomes a pathological pattern.
#5, TRJeffS, I didn’t get it. I send you an email. Possibly Blair’s email program isn’t working. I’ve even been checking my spam filter in case it got caught in there, and nothing.
In any case, send it to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). That’s my catchall. And once again, thanks.
#8, Dan Lewis, it’s time for Israel and the US to stop listening to “world opinion”, most especially that spew that comes out of the UN. If there are countries that want to join us in our fight for freedom, they are welcome. But there should be no more catering to the dictators and their craven friends.
Myself, I’m wondering what kind of movement I can join or get going to persuade our government to kick the UN off our shores.
Obviously that dismayed protestor needs to be sent back for some more “consciousness raising.”
Posted by The Sanity Inspector on 2006 08 13 at 03:31 PM • permalinkIs this true??
The resolution represents a near-total victory for Hezbollah and its sponsors, Syria and Iran, and a defeat for both Israel and America, though America pushed the cease-fire through late last week.
It makes it impossible for Israel to defend itself against aggression without being exposed to international condemnation on a scale never seen before.
The responsibility for determining compliance is placed in the hands of Kofi Annan who has distinguished himself as a man capable only of condemning Israel for its acts of self-defense. By empowering Annan to evaluate compliance, the resolution all but ensures that Hezbollah will not be forced to disarm and that Israel will be forced to give up the right to defend itself.
A catastrophic precedent has been set for the future. Because Lebanon is receiving international support for legally unsupportable territorial demands on Israel (Shaba Farms on the Golan Heights), in the future, the Palestinians, Syrians, Egyptians, and even Jordanians will feel empowered to employ aggression to gain territorial concessions.
It places the power to oversee an arms embargo against Hezbollah in the hands of the Lebanese government, of which Hezbollah is a member.
Israel is expected to withdraw before a full deployment of Lebanese and UNIFIL forces is carried out. Thus, Hezbollah will reinforce its positions in south Lebanon.
The resolution treats the Lebanese government and military as credible, though it is under the de facto control of Hezbollah and Syria.
The situation empowers Iran—the main victor. It was not condemned in the U.N. action although it is clear that Iran was the engine behind this war.
No Israeli leader before Ehud Olmert has caused so much damage to Israel. He destroyed more than 24 thriving Jewish communities and plans to destroy dozens more unless his government collapses. He has displaced more Jews than any Arab enemy in Israel’s history. And he squandered much of Israel’s military image and deterrence. He surrounded himself with second rate politicians for political reasons.
The morale among soldiers is at an all-time low and the nation is torn apart.
At this point, the return of captured Israeli soldiers is undetermined.
Israeli soldiers will be replaced by notoriously anti-Israel U.N. forces and European forces who will allow Hezbollah to rearm.
Those promoting this resolution and those accepting it including Olmert and Peretz, have squandered the lives of Israeli soldiers and civilians and the opportunity to free Israel from a deadly enemy. They have set the stage for the next war which will be sooner rather than later.
The resolution treats as equivalent Hezbollah’s illegal aggression against Israel’s legitimate military actions taken in defense of its sovereign territory.
Will this cease-fire last a day, week, month, or year? That is the unknown question as this is written.Posted by LuvDaKartoons on 2006 08 13 at 04:40 PM • permalink#19, Kartoons, not to despair. It’s beginning to look as if Israel and the US have pulled a fast one on Hezbollocks and their UN buddies. Like the proverbial scorpion, Hez can’t help acting like Hez, so this resolution is looking more and more like so much hot air. Meanwhile, Israel continues cleanup operations as scheduled.
#20, RebeccaH,
I hope it is true and that the war continues. But I do not find this strategy to be anything more than playing games with the enemy. Everyone is walking around on tippytoes. Why?
Look at the pictures in Reutergate. Look at all the rest of what has surfaced about the media arm of Hezbollah. These people are not just a terrorist group. We are dealing with a proxy army of Iran, deliberately left out of uniform. They are a part of Iran’s overall stategy -and a damn good one, apparently. I do not understand where anything is gained by continuing the farce being played out. Nothing is coming of it but more and more death, without an end in site. We aren’t playing a game of chess here. People are dying. Nothing is being done to stop it, only little ploys and sneak games that prolong the drain on men, treasure, and morale. With the dead and maimed all over the landscape. Our leaders are playing a cowards game not experienced on this scale since Europe’s last bout of insanity. And the State department has finally moved Bush into their camp. That this whole thing was brokered by the French says everything that needs to be said.
Why have we been paying for the armament we have? What is it for? Have we been training our military to act as some kind of police force for the benefit, and to the derision, of the rest of the world, or to defend this country and her citizens? I know what I thought I was paying for.
I’m pissed, if you couldn’t tell.
I want the war to be over quickly, which means I want Israel to roll up Lebanon and accomplish everything they set out to accomplish. If Lebanon can reestablish itself without Hezbollah, that’s yet another democracy put in place in the Middle East, and yet another reason for Arabs in other countries to ask why they can’t have a little of this rule by the people. The alternative to going to war with Iran, which might end up in a nuclear confrontation, is to surround it, seal it up, and strangle it little by little.
Was an anti-Israel rally or an anti-war rally?
I have known of other people (for example, the father of a person I dated a few times) who was similarily disgusted at the behaviour of protestors at a rally he was at.
I think he is a pro-Israel/pro-Palestine type of chap and his parents had survived the Holocaust.
He was quite perturbed to see Jews being compared to Nazis.
Whatever the case, given that protest rallies are generally taken over by more extreme elements (eg Socialist Alternative) people of good will shouldn’t waste their time at them, and should try other more productive means of protest.
The anti-Semitism of the extreme Left and nutty Right really illustrates how close those groups really are.
A List of UN Resolutions against Israel
UN Security Council Resolutions 1946-2006
A little light reading.
#28
That’s excellent. Do you know of any sites that compare them side by side?I like this one but it doesn’t list the examples.
Abba Ebban’s quote remains correct:
“If Algeria introduced a resolution at the UN, declaring that the Earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.
Nothing ever changes.
RebeccaH, how much time do you think we have? Every day is one more day given to the enemy, and leaves us with fewer options and in greater danger. We are losing the war. We are allowing a third rate country to bully us into inaction. We are allowing an inordinate fear of nuclear weapons frighten us into immobility. We are pissing on a forest fire. By failing to fight right now, we are leaving ourselves no other way out except with nuclear weapons - or surrender. If we continue the way we are, the only question is how slowly we will surrender and how long it will take for sharia lawyers to take their seats at the Supreme Court. Look at how far along this path Europe is already - England especially (which has been a shock).
What I am saying is that we are playing into the strategy of the Iranians. It is a strategy that has been playing out over a the last 30 years. Ayatollah Khomeini walked into Iran screaming about the Great Satan and he set the agenda. They have lived with us and studied us, noting before we did how far the corruption has gone in our Universities (hell, look at how far they’ve infiltrated). They’ve read the International Laws that the West play by. They understand the Just War Theory as well as anybody at West Point. They understand about terrorism - having watched the USSR fight all their proxy “Revolutions”, and practicing it themselves for over 30 yrs. They saw how the North Vietnamese won against us using inferior forces. They saw how we acted afterward, right down to not finishing the war with Iraq when we had the upper hand the first time, under the auspices of and under the banner of, the UN. Especially, they saw how to win against us in Lebanon, of all places, and here we are again, doing exactly the same thing. They know what they are doing and it is about time we recognize that fact.
If you read history, the one unfailing lesson you cannot help but learn is to never underestimate the enemy. Iran is beneath us in every possible way - except they know what they believe and they act on it, keeping their eye on their goal. They don’t mind a tactical retreat. They are patient. What are the lives of one generation or two, when we are talking about the global caliphate.
Rebecca, I want so much to be optimistic. I cannot see my way to it anymore. I think the way we are handling this is not just wrong, but very dangerous. More dangerous than it needs to be.Can someone find out the name the person of who applauded his death and what exactly transpired? Or better still, find the person who protested and walked off and get their version of events?
Anyway, re ceasefire: the forceful disaramanet of Hezbollah is in the non-binding section of the resoultion. The resolution also brought the Shebba farms on the table - something which was previously never on the table as it was internationally recognised as Syrian territory). Any talk of withdrawing from the shebba farms is a clear victory for Hezbollah. The cease fire will give them another few years to re-arm and re-group and I think they will come out stronger.After accepting the cease fire, Olmert now wants to negotiate for the realease of the kidnapped soldiers. Why couldn’t he do that before? What was the point of the war and sacrifising the lives of so many Israeli soldiers who were used as cannon fodder?
And one can only wonder how the negotiations will end up - with the exchange of hundreds of convicted terrorists (murderers) for a few dead Israeli soldiers?
During the actual conflict, Olmert said that the fighting strengthened his resolve to implement his “convergence plan” from the territories and naturually this caused great uproar among soldiers who were fighting in Lebanon and whose families are going to be subject to Olmert’s policy of ethnic cleansing. And a large portion of soldiers who were killed as cannon fodder were victims to last years explusion fro Gush Katif. I saw a few pictures recently of one soldier (killed two weeks ago in sth Lebanon) getting the crap kicked out of him by the Israeli police last year - whilst his home was getting destroyed in the West Bank.
I don’t know, I could just ramble on & on. But I’ll end by urging all people of good will to recognise just how evil & corrupt the appeasnik government of Israel is and to oppose this government and its policies (in particular its policy of “convergence”). We need to get behind the settlers.Olmert’s appeasnik policies is affecting the entire world - increasing and encouraging terrorism and endangering the lives of US and Australian servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan (to say the least). We already saw the consequences of the first explusion in Gaza…
To get an idea of just how badly Olmert capitulated I urge people to read an article I posted yesterday in a neighbouring thread by Caroline Glick.This article was written more than a decade ago and shows very clearly the links between communism, Hezballah, the Soviet Union, Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, Berkeley U, the Trotskyites, and the PLO. People in Australia marching for “peace” and unfurling Hezballah flags are in the true meaning of the word “useful idiots”. When the caliphate is announced it should come as no surprise to anyone here that it will be communist in nature and an immediate purge of muslims will begin. The alliance between the left and radical Islam is not new, and those who seem only to have realised it in the last year or so have done so too late. Communism and Marxism are not dead; they are alive and well and functioning under another name - the jihad.
The irony of all of this is that I think China is the one place where jihadism (aka communism) won’t get a look in. Britain, on the other hand, is in my book lost to the cause.
Rebecca - screen capture enroute now. I attached a couple bonus photos, because of the troubles we had. Don’t mind that one of wronwright….I bribed the Sumerian maiden before hand.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 08 13 at 09:19 PM • permalink34. Good one Hanyu. The Hezzies feature an AK on their flag. An AK is always a dead giveaway that there’s a big, fat, commie rat somewhere in the picture.
Posted by Vanguard of the Commentariat on 2006 08 13 at 10:15 PM • permalinkThe Canberra Islamic Center, organizers of the demo at which the death of an Australian was appluaded, receives grants from “Healthpact”, and ACT government program, for its “Women’s Only Swims”.
Are we fucking mad???
Posted by Bearded Mullah on 2006 08 13 at 11:57 PM • permalinkWe will fall eventually becasue of all those weaknesses Kae mentioned at #32, but fundamentally because we are divided… A house divided against itself cannot stand… In our pluralist societies we have always had disagreements and different points of view, but when push came to shove, enough people had common sense and the balls to recognise the danger and who posed the threat, and to come together and fight united…
For all the benefits that multi culturalism brings in terms of different dishes at restaurants, we have become over the last 50 years increasingly divided, increasingly ghetto-ised, with all the minorities having the loudest voices and the most protections…
We have got to the point where we have so many different view points and cultures and points of view that it is almost impossible to become united about anything anymore, even without the fact that the many homegrown useful idiots on the left will side with any cause or group that is against our own western values…
You can have all the weapons and technology in the world, but without the resolve or determination to use them they are useless… History is replete with examples of the nominally weaker/fully commited force overcoming the ponderous, weak, divided “superior” opponent…
And I think the biggest battle we face at the moment is with the many fools and semi-traitors we have within our lands and body-politik…. We have to confront them first before we can hope to do much against our external enemies…
#34
Not for the want of trying. In the western province, there are muslims. The Chinese just shoot them if they cause any problems, though.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 14 at 02:19 AM • permalinkIs there anything worse than disloyalty to a cause? Peace activists who leave the movement ought to be shot, I reckon.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 08 14 at 02:48 AM • permalink#4 - Abdul-Raman’s claim that Israel has never abided by a single UN resolution is also incorrect. Just off the top of my head, Israel has abided by two: #181 and #1559, which is two more than Lebanon, to my knowledge, ever has.
As far as 1701 goes, I’m fairly optimistic. It’s far and away the most pro-Israel resolution to emerge from the Turtle Bay Coalition of Weasels in half a century. I wish it were even more favorable, but I’m realistic as to just how much was ever going to be possible in that regard. The fact Bolton got as much as he did is a minor miracle (and a promising sign).
Quite probably 1701’s ‘cessation of hostilities’ is likely to be measured in mere days, if not hours, but even that works almost totally to Israel’s advantage.
Without all the sturm und drang of IAF bombing serving as both distraction and sympathy ploy, the focus now lands squarely on the Lebanese goverment to take their balls in hand and stand up to Hez. If they do, great. If they don’t, their spineless weakness becomes humiliatingly clear to all—especially the ~80% non-Shia Lebanese population. If that doesn’t spur them into doing something, then nothing ever will ... or would have.
Much has been made of Hez using the pause to resupply, but the situation also favors Israel in that regard. Israel also needs to resupply—and she needs to resupply at least six times as many men, plus armor. And Israel’s people aren’t the ones boxed in with significantly-interdicted supply lines. The IAF took out the roads and bridges between Syria and the Bekaa valley, where Hez’s main supply depos are. Stuff can still be smuggled in via trails and small back roads, but it’s going to be limited in size—the big rocket launchers, for example, will be a bitch to bring in, if it’s even possible. And that just gets it into the Bekaa ... where there are some indications Israel has an unknown number of special forces operating.
All Israel is called upon to do under 1701 is halt ‘offensive operations.’ The IDF has made it plain that firing upon any armed individual(s) they encounter is a ‘defensive operation,’ so they can still snuff any Hezzie they spot. They can also engage in ‘non-offensive’ activities such as recon, laying mines, recovery/rescue/salvage operations, etc.
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There is nothing about peace to any of these rallies. These are pro-murder, pro-terror and anti-western devotees and we, as a culture and society, are incompetent beyond measure to allow them existence among us.
This issue has absolutely zero to do with “difference of opinion” and exactly everything to do with difference of loyalty.
These are enemy. Plain, simple, enemy.