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"CONVERSION" COERCED
Via reader Larwyn, a report that kidnapped journalists Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig have converted to Islam:
Fox news alert broke few minutes ago.
Amy Kellog describes new tape as showing Steve and Olaf “under duress”. The tape shows them dressed in Islamic clothes and READING FROM SCRIPTS. They announce that they have converted to Islam. They criticize the policies of the West. They ask Bush and Blair to also convert to Islam.
Well, that’s one way to win converts; kidnap people and threaten to kill them. An earlier report here.
UPDATE. They’ve been freed:
Fox said correspondent Steve Centanni, a 60-year-old American, and New Zealand-born cameraman Olaf Wiig, 36, were in a hotel in the Palestinian coastal strip.
In a videotape released earlier, Centanni and Wiig were shown separately sitting cross-legged, reading statements announcing that they had converted to Islam. At times in the video they were wearing long Muslim robes.
"I changed my name to Khaled. I have embraced Islam and say the word Allah,” Centanni said.
About that conversion ...
A separate statement from the captors had said the two journalists had to choose either Islam, a tax imposed on non-Muslims to be paid to a Muslim ruler, or war.
"They chose Islam and that is a gift God gives those whom he chooses,” the statement said.
UPDATE II. Fox reports:
"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint,” Centanni told FOX News. “Don’t get me wrong here. I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it, but it was something we felt we had to do because they had the guns, and we didn’t know what the hell was going on."
It always makes me scratch my head when religious fundamentalists get gung-ho on the idea of forced conversions.
I mean, do they really believe in the sort of God who would accept the “Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, of course I believe in all the tenants of this religion, great lord, so let me into heaven, please?” Really?
Here’s the most pathetic thing about people like Islamists - in a way, they’re anti-God - they bring the divine down to their own grubby, mortal, retarded level.
I recall there was a group of ancient Greeks who believed the Hellenic gods were too flawed to be worthy of worship, so refused to do so, instead coming up with their own, theoretical version of what a “God” should be.
If I was a Muslim, I’d be tempted to do the same. The way he’s portrayed by a lot of Muslims, Allah is a dickhead and a moron.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 08 27 at 06:09 AM • permalink#5
You stole mu thunder, howzat. This is just SOP for the ROP.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 27 at 06:23 AM • permalinkThey’ve just been released.
So their captors had their propaganda moment.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2006 08 27 at 06:34 AM • permalinkTheir captors are idiots (dead ones, soon).
You can take this with as much salt as your tastes require, but it is a basic teaching of Islam that if anyone ever was forced to convert, then that person’s conversion would not be accepted by Poobah (piss-buh). The reason for this is that legal accountability in Islam does not apply to a person under duress.
The Qur’ân explicitly states: “There is no compulsion in religion.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256] , but then again, the Qur’ân “explicitly states” a lot of things. eh?
Anyway, they’re out and safe.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 27 at 06:37 AM • permalinkSo their captors had their propaganda moment.
I hope now the two reports get on the TV and publically piss on a copy of the Qu’ran.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 08 27 at 07:10 AM • permalinkAnd in related news from Melbourne a 16 year Muslim honey upsets bitter old men:
The Islamic community is bitterly divided over a Melbourne Muslim girl’s entry into the Miss Teen Australia beauty pageant.
Aspiring model Ayten Ahmet, 16, says she wants only to be a positive role model for teenagers. She believes religion is irrelevant to the competition…
But the pageant, which includes a swimwear section, has been condemned as sinful by some senior Muslims.
Melbourne cleric Sheik Mohammed Omran criticised the event, with his spokesman branding participation by Muslim girls as “a slur on Islam”. “They are ignorant of what their religion teaches and should learn their religion,” the sheik’s spokesman said. “The teachings of the prophet and the Holy Koran do not encourage a girl to go out and uncover her modesty in public.”
Victorian Islamic leader Yasser Soliman said participating in the contest was not in accordance with the teachings of Islam. “What Islam teaches is that God-given beauty is only to be shared with the husband. It is not something used as a commercial gimmick, for financial gain, fame or entertainment,’ he said.
Go for it, Ayten.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 08 27 at 07:19 AM • permalinkLest we forget, Fleet St’s pin-up girl for Stockholm Syndrome, the fantastically, hilariously dim, your friend and mine, Yvonne Ridley!!
From her wiki entry…
Since her conversion to Islam, Ridley has taken increasingly controversial stances that made her the target of extensive criticism. In particular surrounding her apparent support for suicide bombings, which she calls “martyrdom operations.” [6] She says, “I hate the term ‘suicide bombers’ it’s an offensive term which was invented by the West to ridicule what many people regard as ‘martyrdom operations’ and you have to look at each one in context.” [7] On 21 September 2004 she described radical cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri as “quite sweet really,” while her former captors, the Taliban, had suffered an “unfair press.” [8]Have to admit I’d do a snappy ‘conversion’ too in their shoes. I’d smile for the cameras, agree to everything they said etc etc.
And when I got out of the clutches of the barbarians and to a civilised place (like Israel), I’d be happy to publicly wipe my arse on their murder manual and tell the barbarians just what I thought of ‘em.
Might be out of a job, but that is a small thing compared to one life, or soul.
MarkL
CanberraSaw that article, walterplinge.
Amazing that in this case it’s the teenaged girl speaking sense, and the old man is a flighty, blithering idiot.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 08 27 at 07:31 AM • permalink#13
And when I got out of the clutches of the barbarians and to a civilised place (like Israel), I’d be happy to publicly wipe my arse on their murder manual and tell the barbarians just what I thought of ‘em.
Tut tut Mark… That’s just so insensitive!
Meanwhile, somewhere in Iraq:
Will you convert? No, no , no, no
Will you confess? No, no, no, no
Will you revert? No, no, no, no
Will you say yes? No, no, no, no
Now I ask in a nice way, I’ve said pretty please,
I’ve bent their ears, now I’ll work on their kneesAccording to Fox News:
"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint,” Centanni told FOX News. "Don’t get me wrong here. I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it, but it was something we felt we had to do because they had the guns, and we didn’t know what the hell was going on."
You can take this with as much salt as your tastes require, but it is a basic teaching of Islam that if anyone ever was forced to convert, then that person’s conversion would not be accepted by Poobah (piss-buh).
Sorry, but that’s complete and utter BS. The line about there being no compulsion in religion comes from the time when Mohammed the Pedophile was dependent on the goodwill of the pagans for his survival; the moment he had enough military strength to not need their protection, he started a campaign of conquest and forced conversions.
Later verses command that Muslims give unbelievers the three choices Wiit and Centanni were given: conversion, dhimmitude, or death. That is a basic teaching of Islam, and one applied quite frequently throughout its history.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 27 at 08:24 AM • permalinkDan Lewis: I believe he said that for pragmatic reasons. Note how it’s like a disclaimer inserted essentially to save his rear (and the rear of Fox News). For pragmatic purposes, I think we should let it pass. But undoubtedly they know the truth.
“Undoubtedly they know the truth”? Oy. I’m beginning to sound like the Qur’an.
"Islam has never been spread peacefully it was always by the sword.”
Not exactly true - one nation that converted to Islam voluntarily and cheerfully: the Mongols. For the descendents of Ghengis Khan, Islam was just the ticket, and they embraced it enthusiastically. So, when Timur the Lame laid waste to much of central Asia, he did so as a good Mohammedan.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2006 08 27 at 08:37 AM • permalink#18, rhhardin -"Nobody seems to inclined to say “I have the greatest resect for Christianity.” But then nobody is inclined to kill you over it.”
Im sure there is a guy called Paddy Murphy somewhere to the northwest of London who might argue the point…
Speaking of freedom from islamic subjugation, has anyone heard anything about those 3 missing Israeli soldiers?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 08 27 at 09:55 AM • permalinkTo the Fox reporters, well done, you blokes. Whatever it takes.
(Michelle Leslie springs to mind)
I agree with MarkL (#13) here. If a bunch of frothing at the mouth lunatics kidnapped me and threatened to kill me unless I painted my arse orange and mooned for the cameras, my first question would be “where’s the orange paint?”If anyone is in doubt that the barbarians are at the gates, read the story of these men and the mindless gibbering of the sorry sacks of shit that kidnapped them.
Doug Wood got it right in one word: “Arseholes”
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 08 27 at 10:11 AM • permalink#5: “Islam has never been spread peacefully it was always by the sword.”
Yes, from the beginning Islam used murder and terror to force people to convert.
But it also used the sword in another way: “Become a Muslim and enrich yourself by robbing and enslaving non-Muslims.” A very attractive offer for desert savages.
#20: “Not exactly true - one nation that converted to Islam voluntarily and cheerfully: the Mongols. For the descendents of Ghengis Khan, Islam was just the ticket, and they embraced it enthusiastically.”
I suspect that the divine sanction for conquest, mass-murder, and enslavement had something to do with that.
I’m relieved to hear those correspondents are free. I’m pretty sure everyone will see the “conversion to Islam” for what it was, as well as the anti-Western statements they were forced to read on camera. Only lefty moonbats are under any illusions when it comes to the SOP of jihadists. In fact, this whole thing stinks of a kidnapping for ransom money, with jihadi dressing on the side.
Yet somehow the Fairfax Press and the ABC will somehow compare this form of religious conversion with the Jehovah Witness or some other extreme Christian group.
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 08 27 at 11:43 AM • permalink"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint,"
Man, you’ve gotta wonder what on earth these peaceful Muslim folk really want.
We may never know, but it reminds me of an old late 80’s ditty…
I ain’t down here for your money
I ain’t down here for your love
I didn’t come down for your love of money
I came here for your soul*nick cave and the bad seeds
They are ignorant of what their religion teaches and should learn their religion,” the sheik’s spokesman said.</blockquuote>
It’s good to hear a senior Muslim cleric forcefully denounce Islamic terrorists.
<blockquote>“The teachings of the prophet and the Holy Koran do not encourage a girl to go out and uncover her modesty in public.”
Oh. Nevermind.
If only I could convert to being a high school geek again…
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 08 27 at 12:19 PM • permalink"I’m pretty sure everyone will see the ‘conversion to Islam’ for what it was, as well as the anti-Western statements they were forced to read on camera.”
I just hope those two guys never travel to an Islamic country - even a “moderate” one, like Indonesia - or they could find themselves condemned to death for apostacy. Once you’ve said the magic words, the cult owns you - even if you had been forced to recite them at gunpoint. And the price of leaving the cult is your life.
Posted by Urbs in Horto on 2006 08 27 at 12:48 PM • permalink#17, Rob, I know it’s complete and utter BS, and I’m sure you know that I know.
The post at #8 was intended to be, well, ironic is not quite the right word...perhaps “toungue in cheek”.
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 27 at 04:16 PM • permalinkNot exactly true - one nation that converted to Islam voluntarily and cheerfully: the Mongols.
I should note that other Mongol leaders followed a variety of religions.
Hulagu was Nestorian Christian (like his mother and chief general) and, as a result, really, really hated Muslims (for what they’d done to his co-religionists) - which is why he totally destroyed Baghdad and killed their Caliph.
Posted by Quentin George on 2006 08 27 at 05:05 PM • permalinkThe post at #8 was intended to be, well, ironic is not quite the right word...perhaps “toungue in cheek”.
Sorry. It’s just par for the course that after the barbarians pull another stunt—push back the curtain a little bit more—someone trots out the lies and half-truths intended to keep us asleep.
After a week of people repeating how important it was to call these prisoners “guests” because “guests are sacrosanct in Arab culture”, I was quick on the trigger finger.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 27 at 05:05 PM • permalinkOh, and one thing I fully expect to hear in the next month or so—that since “there’s no compulsion in religion”, Wiig and Centanni converted of their own free will.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 27 at 05:14 PM • permalinkHowzat, I dunno where you live, but in my jurisdiction, it’s Christians who harrow the jails for converts.
(I took my daughter, who was then 11, to District Court with me one day, where we watched a bunch of sentencings. After it was over, she said, ‘I get it. You tell the judge you’ve found Jesus and he lets you go.’)
And Islam has been, at times and places, very successful in peaceful missionizing. It’s recent spread into central Africa has been going on this way.
The problem of course is that when peaceful preaching stops working, Muslims do not then stay peaceful.
While Rebecca may be right that proper-thinking people (like us) will recognize the conversion for what it was worth, I fear it is too much to hope that the appeasers will draw appropriate conclusions.
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 08 27 at 05:21 PM • permalink"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint,” Centanni told FOX News. “Don’t get me wrong here. I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it, but it was something we felt we had to do because they had the guns, and we didn’t know what the hell was going on.”
Sounds like they are sticking to the new-found faith despite the duress.
Fine. Better off shot.
I have the highest respect for Islam, and I learned a lot of good things about it...
I’m very grateful for their release and look forward to hearing Centanni’s story once he’s back safely on US soil. I’m particularly interested to see if he maintains the fiction about the “good things” learned. Although I’m sure he was a most apt pupil staring down the business end of a gun as he was. I’m sure I, too, could learn much under similar circumstances.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 27 at 05:36 PM • permalinkOT, but Tim will like it: Ernesto heads for Guld of Mexico, Reuters.
Posted by Brian O'Connell on 2006 08 27 at 05:40 PM • permalinkIslam doesn’t FORCE anyone to convert--as MentalFloss and others note, there’s no COMPULSION in the Religion of Peace.
Everybody gets to choose. Would you like to have your head hacked off, dear sir, or would you like to become a Muslim? Free choice, see?
If you convert AWAY from Islam, of course, that implies you have now selected Option 1. So you get killed. By your own free choice.
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 08 27 at 06:15 PM • permalinkOh bullshit, Harry Eagar—no one in prison is forced to convert to Christianity, in my country or yours, and certainly is no get-out-of-jail-free card. You’re just talking through your I-hate-Christians hat, as seems to be your practice.
By the way, the religion that is becoming increasingly more popular in prisons today, at least in the US and the UK, is Islam, possibly in part because Christianity has been tarred by liberal idiots like yourself as the religion of white rednecks, not to mention no fun stuff like having to ask God for forgiveness all the time. In Islam all you have to do is “submit” to Allah’s will and you’re part of the big boy’s tough guy club.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 27 at 06:42 PM • permalink"Everybody gets to choose. Would you like to have your head hacked off, dear sir, or would you like to become a Muslim? Free choice, see?”
Wrong!
If you are a person of the Book (a jew or a christian) you can choose to become a dhimmy.
Just pay a small tax of about 50% of your income, have a special identification on your clothes and your rights are protected.
You also must show your humilation to any Muslim you happen to meet.There are several ‘generation change’ things to note here.
Unlike the earlier long kidnappings in Lebanon of Europeans by ‘marxist Arabs’, this was done by mad Islamists - ‘the grand-children of Arafat’.
It was possibly a successful ransom too.The message is - we will convert you all by the gun, since we are medieval savages again and anyone under our control is worth nothing but to be humiliated pawns…
Deal with THAT, lefties..
#12 - phoenix 55,
“In particular surrounding her apparent support for suicide bombings, which she calls “martyrdom operations.” [6] She says, “I hate the term ‘suicide bombers’ it’s an offensive term which was invented by the West to ridicule what many people regard as ‘martyrdom operations’ and you have to look at each one in context.” [7]
Lately when watchin Fox & Friends, I have heard Steve et al referring “suicide” bombers at “homicide bombers”.
I think that puts the bombers in a clearer light.
#47 Andrea, the ROP is trawling the prisons for reverts here as well. Makes the job easier when there is a large population of Mulsims holidaying there courtesy of us already. They are particulary targeting the Abos as the Abos already have a victim mentality (& the Muslims discovered Aust before the Europeans did anyway).
Posted by ozconservative on 2006 08 27 at 07:17 PM • permalinkAnd Islam has been, at times and places, very successful in peaceful missionizing. It’s recent spread into central Africa has been going on this way.
Like southern Sudan?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 08 27 at 08:24 PM • permalinkI happy they have been released. While the reporter denied having actually converted, he still went on about reporters not being afraid to going to Palestine to report their side of the story, because it is important that the Palestinians’ story gets out. Nothing gets in the way of that, it seems. (Like all who reported from Germany and Japan in the middle of war? Palestinians are warm, wonderful people, you see, and we all need to understand that—by ignoring every single thing they do, I guess.
Yes, I’m happy they made it out alive. And I’m sick to death of hearing excuses made for kidnappers and murderers, even, or especially, from the victims. This kind of support has helped the Palestinians into the squalor and horror they live in now. I have no sympathy, or patience, with this mindset.
"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint,”
Wow, there’s a surprise. Who would have guessed that?
Unfortunately, if my memory serves correctly, some elements of the MSM will probably find it a surprise. I remember all their breathless reporting on previous hostage situations in Iraq where they were taking at face value what the people held at gunpoint were saying. Pretty much as long as it was anti-Western they found it credible. Jill Carroll is one instance, and there were certainly others. They (being certain elements of the media) really seemed to think a hostage with a gun pointed at his head (even if off-camera) somehow had a legitimate opinion on whether the US should pull out troops (or on anything else) and that it was important to listen to them.
Ha! The only thing we owe any hostage is to get them back home so they can say what they really think - like Douglas Wood.
# Two words: Peter Arnett
(on my “100 People to Kill Before I Die” list)
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 08 27 at 10:22 PM • permalink"We were forced to convert to Islam at gunpoint"
and this will happen to all of us unless we win this war.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 08 27 at 10:27 PM • permalinkNumber 11> Why isn’t it funny how they are not protesting about rape? Gang Rape or their own domestic violence, it’s as if it dosn’t exist at all in Islam. Go the men, hide your women so the “revert” don’t take them away from us and our control.
Only in Australian Beauty contests, with women like Michelle Leslie etc..
#50 Correct ozcon.
I have said for a long time that ‘suicide’ is a sympathetic term in the West and so should not be used. It is like the word ‘asylum-seekers’ [who could really be against them, even if they aren’t!]
The term is anyway repudiated by the perpetrators, who prefer ‘martyr bombers’, a term we should use because it is similar to the kamikazi religious pilots [who at least were in the armed forces!]What Islam teaches is that God-given beauty is only to be shared with the husband.
Where is the Feminazi Left of the media and academe when we need them?
Where are you Jill Singer and Virginia Trioli and Ann Summers - this is right in your own backyard (Melbourne)?
Lost your voice, girls?
Posted by Apparatchik on 2006 08 27 at 11:52 PM • permalinkAny reporter wandering around the backfield of the opposing side is either a spy for us or a propagandist for them. Either way, tradition, law and custom calls for their arrest and execution.
If spying by reporting on enemy movements, morale and such then they are subject to summary execution by the enemy.
If propagandising for the enemy then they are subject to arrest, trial for treason and execution by our side.
All this bullshit about them being, somehow, ultra nationalists subject to a higher form of law or, due to their employment, truly neutral and exempt from all law and custom they choose to ignore is born from the idiocy of the ‘70s.
Andrea, have you ever been to a sentencing at the District Court where you live? Florida, is it not?
You should do before you say silly things like Christianity is not a get-out-of-jail-free card.
(I guess it speaks well of your civic behavior that you obviously have never been to District Court.)
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 08 28 at 12:20 AM • permalinkMy own experience in court is much like Harry’s. I worked for a criminal defense attorney for a couple of years in Dallas during the early 80’s. With all due respect, you would be surprised, Andrea, just how much of a get-out-of-jail (not necessarily free) card a well-timed conversion can be in a court of law. I’m not talking here about court cases that go to trial (though there are those), but of those who are standing up before the judge, having already made a deal with the prosecution to lower the charges, who then pleads remorse and conversion to the judge. It is rather like what going to rehab does for you if you’re up on drug charges. I can’t imagine that things have changed that much. The system is always looking for a way to keep people out of crowded jails if at all possible.
Proclaiming new found religion can also help with parole. There are many different Christian missionary groups that operate in prisons. Religious teaching isn’t confined to Islam. And it does make a difference when an inmate is going up against a parole board.
There have been so many nasty things said and done by the left. I understand that. But it doesn’t help if Christians become knee-jerk about their advocacy, ignoring the things that ought not to be. How does it help Christianity to be used in such a manner? How does one tell an actual conversion from a phony one? It is an non-objective standard with no way to judge, not just whether the conversion is real, but what that actually means.
I’m not saying anything one way or the other. I have no dog in this hunt. It is just that not everyone who says he is a Christian, is a Christian, as I’m sure you well know.
It wasn’t long ago that certain folks were criticizing Anne Coulter for suggesting that we “convert [Muslims] to Christianity.”
I’m waiting for those folks to comment on the conversion of the Fox reporters.
...
Still waiting.
That’s what I thought.
Posted by Andy Freeman on 2006 08 28 at 01:40 AM • permalinkMr Eagar, I don’t have to go to a “District Court” anywhere to know that conversion to Christianity gets criminals automatically set free, no matter what they are accused of and no matter the strength of the evidence against them, only in your deluded mind. But feel free to keep on hiding under your desk lest the scary KKKristians get you. Look out! John Ashcroft is hiding behind the door—preparing to jump out and sing “Are You Washed in the Blood of the Lamb”! Quick, put your tinfoil beanie on! That’s the only way to keep out the Jesus mind rays.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 08 28 at 01:44 AM • permalinkFox News has consistently referred to suicide bombers as “homicide bombers” - not mincing about at all.
I suggest Steve and Olaf said what they did after being released because they were still in the Gaza strip being “hosted” (i.e. held) by Hamas.
Let’s see what they say when they get home.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 08 28 at 06:46 AM • permalinkAs for the evils of Christianity in the US jail system, I think that cause and effect are being lost. If seeming to convert has a beneficial effect for the defendant, then it is because Christianity is perhaps seen as a benevolent influence and an outward sign of an attempt to improve and reform. The fact that this can be played as a ruse, as can horrific, unverifiable tales of a bad chilhood, insanity, or low IQ is obviously a serious problem. It does not follow that this is being forced upon anyone, especially in an official capacity.
In short, even if a conversion to Christianity serves defendants well in a court room, it is not coerced at the point of a kidnappers gun. A court and trial are not the same as a kidnapping, and neither are leniency at sentencing and a ransom demand. The parallels are false.
On Centani and Wigg from the NYPOST 8/27/06:
“After their release the men met with Palestinian Prime Minister...,but first appealed at a brief news conference for foreign journalists not to be deterred from covering the plight of the Palestinians in the volatile coastal strip."How do you spell Centani? F.I.S.K. It was apparent from his reporting from Gaza that Cent-Fisk was just another dhimmi Leftoid reporter. But his remarks after his release only confirm it-in spades. He hopes reporters wont be deterred from reporting in “Palestine” because the Palestinian people are “beautiful and kindly” and their plight should be reported (as opposed to the Israelis who have trivial concerns such as Hamas rockets daily fired into their country or paleos suicide murderers, or a paleo government controlled by terrorists Hamas that declares the destruction of Jews or a nuclear tipped Iranian madman declaring the same, etc). We cheer you on, Khaled-Centi-Fisk, to your return to Gaza. We are told the kindly Palestinians tracked down the kidnappers but did not hold them in custody. We are not told how much Fox-USA paid off to the kidnappers nor how much payoff those kindly palestinian trackers got. The MSM is truly a pile of stinking garbage.Andrea, you live in the South. You might want to review the judicial history of Byron de la Beckwith (assassin of Evers) and the Birmingham church bombers before you claim that being a Christian never serves as a get-out-of-jail-free card, even for cold-blooded mass murder.
I did not say it works all the time. However, I have seen a case when a man murdered a woman and child—no doubt about the facts of that case—and walked because he was a Baptist deacon.
Posted by Harry Eagar on 2006 08 31 at 12:01 AM • permalink
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They are doubly screwed.
The penalty for converting from Islam, is death.