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Thoughts on feminism and labels from Pamela Bone:
Lifelong socialist and humanist that I am, if fighting to prevent the possibility that my granddaughters - our granddaughters - will one day be forced to wear a burka makes me right-wing, then right-wing is the label I’ll have to wear.
And further thoughts from Synova in New Mexico:
In my world the feminists had won the war and all was left was the clean-up. Not so in the middle east. In my world the mission of the feminist movement changed with the times, went on to other issues, so that now feminism has become so removed from its roots that it can’t even chose to side against a patriarchy so opressive that it makes complaining about symbolically “giving away the bride” at a wedding in the West look like petulant idiocy.
...when we talk only about the present and past crimes of Western societies, doesn’t this give comfort and encouragement to the suicide bombers?...
Don Pardo!!!...Tell her what she’s won!
...Hate Bush if you want, but please understand that your enemy’s enemies are not necessarily your friends.
They dont hate just Bush. They hate all Republicans. President Bush is just the convenient face that hatred is currently directed at.
It seems inconceivable that we could lose…But if we do, the consequences will be awful. And they will be worse for women.
A leading thinker of the left is just now seeing this reality? God help us.
Don’t expect left-wing men to help. They’re full of “I’m not scared” bravado.
Huh?
Most of us 1970s feminists are grandmothers now. Lifelong socialist and humanist that I am, if fighting to prevent the possibility that my granddaughters - our granddaughters - will one day be forced to wear a burka makes me right-wing, then right-wing is the label I’ll have to wear.
I’ll take it…for what it’s worth.
Welcome home sweetheart.
Don’t expect left-wing men to help.
This is a time for real men.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 08 26 at 04:55 AM • permalinkWe finally see some folks waking up to reality. I’m happy to see it, of course. But geez Louise, it has taken them five—5—that’s FIVE effin’ years! These are the people who have been presuming to tell us what is good for us, and demanding our attention to their definitions of the morally right things to do, for more years than I can stand to think about!
As my ol’ pappy used to tell me, while walking away shaking his head in disgust, “Girl, don’t let fear and common sense get in your way.”
I don’t see the difference between Bone’s socialism and the Islamism she decries. It’s hypocritical to imply that nationalisation of business and the enforcement of a planned economy (and all the denial of rights that entails) is good but making women wear a burqa is bad. Until Bone admits that her “revolution” is the same as the Islamist’s revolution in its denial of rights, then she’s just another terrorist in my book. And by definition totally worthless.
I’ve raised similar issues with my gay friends.
They are the first to complain about Bush and Howard denying them the chance to marry another man but are strangely silent when it comes to men being murdered merely for their sexual orientation in places such as Iran.
I invite them to consider the Sydney gay and lesbian mardi gras: there are plenty of floats mocking right wing political figures and the Catholic church but strangely there aren’t any dykes dressed up as imams…
I ask them whether this ‘oversight’ is due to:
1) fear of reprisals from the religion of peace;
2) political correctness (ie, it’s not ok to mock non-western institutions or cultures regardless of how abominable they are); or
3) political bias (ie, sheer hypocrisy).It’s fun. You should try it.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 08 26 at 08:06 AM • permalinkNo wonder Bone so readily embraced the abomination of leftism all her life. Her present objection to islamofascism is not because it represents an existential threat to democracy and western values. No, its just that her granddaughters might have to wear burkhas! If the mullahs would grant a burkha dispensation, she would happily volunteer to lead a democracy-denunciation squad.
Says Chesler: “Women’s studies programs should have been the first to sound the alarm. They did not.”
Women’s studies. Snort. The second biggest blight on higher education (the first being its takeover by 60s radicals) was the rise of women’s and ethnic studies. What a crock.
Don’t expect left-wing men to help. They’re full of “I’m not scared” bravado.
Kudos to Bone for realizing that. Because we recognize the dangers of allowing Islamic fascism to fester and grow, we’re often accused by the left of being scared little rabbits searching for a hidey-hole, afraid of a Muslim shadow. But, it is they who are fearful of even acknowledging a problem exists because once you acknowledge the problem, you’re bound to address it. So, instead they displace their fear and the anger it engenders to less threatening entities, like the vast right wing conspiracy and the Bush/Howard administrations, and then pretend that those are the real threats. A classic psychological defense mechanism that renders them virtually useless in this battle.
Lifelong socialist and humanist that I am, if fighting to prevent the possibility that my granddaughters - our granddaughters - will one day be forced to wear a burka makes me right-wing, then right-wing is the label I’ll have to wear.
I’m not ready to welcome you into the fold quite yet, Pamela. Your focus is a little too narrow. Perhaps if you could re-examine that “life-long socialist” thing. However, whatever your motivation, welcome to the fight.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 26 at 12:07 PM • permalinkAh, RebeccaH, a diss advisor I dropped because she was an idiot was also, or naturally, the head of the Women’s Studies whaddayacallit.
She told me, in all seriousness, that she knew about the fear of rape because she saw a black man on the same sidewalk as she was on one day while taking her dog for a walk.
The main reason I don’t call myself a feminist anymore is that I realized these middle-class whingers have. No. Clue.
left wing men = oxymoron
But as an evil conservative white man, I have to defend women’s and ethnic studies. Since we evil conservative white men can no long by law oppress and isolate these groups, it’s important (and cheaper) to teach them to oppress and isolate themselves…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 08 26 at 03:25 PM • permalinkSo, it’s all men’s fault. I should have known.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 08 26 at 05:26 PM • permalinkFinally! As a feminist from the days of equal pay for equal work I have watched over the years as the so called leaders of this movement have betrayed everything this movement stood for, from denigrating motherhood and housewives to comparing genital mutilation to a body piercing.
I was beginning to think I was crazy and the only person who would rather wipe George Bush’s diarrhoea covered backside with a rag and use it as a tea towel than assist those Islamic misogynist bastards validate any cause they sprout.
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Phyllis Chesler has the same sort of common sense.