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CLARITY ASSERTED
Phillip Adams’ latest column, reduced to its core:
Yes, what happened last week in London was appalling. But ...
The toxins fly once Phil gets that Damning But out of the way. “Let’s be clear about it,” he orders. “The people who died in the subway tunnels and on the bus were victims of the Iraq war. They died because of Blair’s London Bridge, the one he built from the Thames to the Euphrates.” Build a bridge between two cultures, and Phil slams you for it. “Had he not misled his nation into that murderous folly of an invasion, the people would have walked off the trains instead of being carried off on stretchers,” Adams continues. “Or had their body parts collected in bags.” (Note to British body-retrievers: keep a few hundred of these handy in case Phil is ever dispersed during a London commute.)
Adams may think his ridiculous assumption is safe, since the only people who might correct it are now in mist form. Yet we know of al-Qaeda plans to attack England soon after September 11—before the invasion of Iraq, or even the invasion of Afghanistan. One of the supposed bombers, Shahzad Tanweer, seems to have been moved to holy blasterdom following a visit to Pakistan and subsequent immersion in London mosques; friends recall him having no interest in politics.
In any case, Adams is assuming a sane cause-and-effect argument on behalf of people who think it rational to blast themselves to pieces causing dozens of innocents to die. That’s how incredibly stupid they are. Adapting policy to suit idiots this far gone is pointless; you may as well negotiate with semtex-infused crazy ants.
Laura Ingraham (a US radio talk show host) calls that the “but monkey”. Or maybe it’s the “butt monkey” - hard to say since I’ve never seen it written down.
She does segments exposing politicians who start out saying something sensible and then ruin it with the but(t).
Whenever she talks about it I can’t help thinking about those monkeys with the crazy butts that you see at the zoo.
According to Adams all events must be regurgitated to fit his narrow views of cause and effect. Views that have changed little in the last twenty years. It’s the same old song from a petrified leftoid whose columns are more and more rigidly boring.
Why this man is given so much column space by the Australian is a mystery to me.
But as my old Russian aunt used to say-” no man is entirely useless. He can always serve as a bad example to others”.
Well, the laws of cause and effect have evolved from the old days of Pascal and Isaac Newton. We have entered the worlds of quantum mechanics and tunneling, A world where objectivity no longer exists.
And the laws of journalism need to be modified accordingly.
No Journalist can write about an event without interfering with its reality.
In other words, journalist anarchistic carte blanche is no longer an option.
Tim is right- the young scum were crazy ants.
An example of the quantum randomness of the world we live in.Actually the main fault of his theme is you whitey had not surrender during the crusade period, and invite the peace loving corp in. If you did, the peace loving corp has no reason to do 9/11, Marid or London. Phillip Adams now get a chance to ax his wife’s foot or does some honor rape and isn’t that cute?
"Adams is assuming a sane cause-and-effect argument...”
Tim, you give Adams far too much credit. What would that “sane cause and effect argument” be that Adams is assuming?
So far as I know, none of the bombers were Iraqi (Bathist or otherwise).
Posted by tim maguire on 2005 07 13 at 04:30 PM • permalinkLaura Ingraham (a US radio talk show host) calls that the “but monkey”.
John Kerry was famous for that during the election campaign. “I’m in favor of a strong defense, but....” “I believe we must stand firm in support of freedom and democracy, but....” Someone counted at least a half dozen of these in one of the debates.
Since when do British Muslims (and don’t forget these “freedom fighters” are/were poms, not Iraqis) have ethical veto over the British PM in their mutual country’s foreign affairs?
Only when this new breed of Leftists, that place the ties of a religious cult over the principles of democracy, are making the rules.
Fatty could well refer to the 1995 essay by Daniel Pipes titled "There Are No Moderates (among Islamists)"
......Ahmad Nawfal, a Muslim Brother from Jordan, says that “If we have a choice between democracy and dictatorship, we choose democracy. But if it’s between Islam and democracy, we choose Islam.” Hadi Hawang of PAS in Malaysia makes the same point more bluntly: “I am not interested in democracy, Islam is not democracy, Islam is Islam.” Or, in the famous (if not completely verified) words of ‘Ali Belhadj, a leader of Algeria’s Islamic Salvation Front (FIS), “When we are in power, there will be no more elections because God will be ruling.”
......Unnoticed by most Westerners, war has been unilaterally declared on Europe and the United States.
.......Convicted in 1992 of setting off bombs that killed thirteen Frenchmen in terrorist campaign during 1985-86, Salah addressed the judge handling his case: “I do not renounce my fight against the West which assassinated the Prophet Muhammad.... We Muslims should kill every last one of you [Westerners]."
We are up against a pernicious, odious, virulent death cult, who are guided by a set of teachings which rule out reasonable measures to co-exist. How this will play out remains to be seen.
The car bomb driven into a crowd of children in Iraq is all the demonstration you need that they know no bounds.
Their stupidity is such that they will risk all, and in doing so will drag the West down to a dark and destructive level. The jews did a lot less than that, in fact little at all by comparison, to unleash forces which sought to wipe them from the face of the earth.
Adams is (at least in this article) a third rate commentator doing the journalistic equivalent of farting in the bath and enjoying the noise it makes.Whenever I hear these people blaming every terrorist attack on the 2003 Iraq war, or how the war has brought terrorism to a new level, I think of the 1993 World Trade Center attack. In retrospect, this was the worst terrorist attack ever, if measured by its intent. Even the 9/11 terrorists didn’t expect the towers to collapse, but the 1993 terrorists did. If it had gone to plan, over 50,000 people would have died.
The 1993 attack was a sign that there has been a cancer growing within Islam for decades, perhaps centuries. Twelve years later, and still the apologists like Adams cannot see that.
I still hear Muslims say that Britain had it coming because of the Muslims being killed in Iraq and other places, they neglect to say that these Muslims are being killed by other Muslims!. and God knows what would happen if the U.S. and the U.K pulled out of Iraq.
Posted by Torontosteve on 2005 07 13 at 05:59 PM • permalinkTim,
Really now, how the hell does Phillip Adams know that the bombings are related to Iraq?
Who told him?
The people who planned this?
They said, “While it is true that we are planning to deliberately commit mass murder and mayhem, we are not responsible, rather, Mr. Blair and all Britons and train/bus passangers are, because Mr. Bush sought to remove from power Saddam Hussein.”
The people who planned or carried out the 7/7 massacre told Phillip Adams this?
I have written this eslewhere, but I will do so here again.
At once the “anti-war” voices are claiming knowledge, without explicitly saying so, that those responsible for the 7/7 massacre and mayhem, were in fact, radical Islamists.
At the same time these persons claim to speak with the understanding and authority as to why these deliberate and carefully planned mass murders took place (to punish the Britons for supporting Blair vis a vis Bush), but more importantly, these same voices do so with the firm stipulation that those who actually carried out the attacks, are not labeled as terrorists, or named for the cause for that which they purportedly fight.
Those who foment and perhaps even participate in these acts of planned violence, blame the victims for the acts of violence done unto them!
Those who commit premeditated heinous acts of mass murder and mayhem are not agents of their own behavior. Somehow, it is the victims or other third parties who hold agency.
Phillip Adams is a monster for suggesting that he knows why someone would deliberately commit the mass murders of 7/7 in this way.
He is an apologist for mass murderers.
Has someone emailed Adams and called ‘bullshit!’ yet? Ask him the specifics of his claims how he can be so sure that 4 young Brits were so angered by the UK’s presence in Iraq that they were forced to explode themselves on the trains in a completely random act. Will he name the forces that drove this compulsion? No.
Adams is either unable or unwilling to point a public finger at the murderous death cult of Islam.In the UK they have this strange beast called the Public Order Act which can make speech identifying muslims difficult
Article 4 requires State Parties to ban the dissemination of racist views as well as organisations and organised activities which promote and incite racial discrimination, and to outlaw participation in such groups and events. The UK has no plans to impose such a ban, on the basis that current laws are sufficient to fulfil our obligations under this Article. (It is an offence to incite racial hatred, under Part III of the Public Order Act 1986. The UK is also committed to the European Union Joint Action on Racism and Xenophobia which provides for improved judicial co-operation in tackling racially inflammatory behaviour and material.)
My lefty friends, peace be upon them, all talk about terrorists the way primitives talk about their gods: a vague, impersonal but malevolent force, which works according to a strict law of cause-and-effect, not necessarily intelligible to mere mortals. If you do something to offend the Terror God, he will blow up your skyscrapers and undergrounds, and even though you don’t know what your tribe did to offend him, be sure of one thing: it was your tribe’s fault.
In response to Arty who wants to read a story starting “What happened to Philip Adams was horrifying. But ...”.
Well, what happened to Phillip was indeed horrifying. Despite joining the Communist Party as a young lad and remaining a socialist after he left it (too much like a church) he has become a millionaire many times over, courtesy of the system that he detests, and he has even been known to boast of the largess poured upon him by the capitalist press magnates. This would indeed be horrifying for anyone with the capacity for reflection that Phillip seems to lack.Anyway, Phillip could still do something reallly useful if he refrained from trying to demonstrate clairvoyant powers regarding the motivation of other people. He could try to convey some sense from his own experience of the thought processes that resulted in his decision to join the Communist Party. That might belp us to understand the motivation of other fanatics, and crazy True Believers, which would be a really useful contribution at present.
Arthur Koestler did it quite well in his autobiography. The interesting thing is that he ended up in self-justification, as though it was still the right decision at the time! Truly amazing.STOP THE CUT ‘N” PASTE JIHAD!!!
UBL via Al-Jaz 15/4/04
"What happened in September 11 and March 11 is your own merchandise coming back to you. We hereby advise you ... that your definition of us and of our actions as terrorism is nothing but a definition of yourselves by yourselves, since our reaction is of the same kind as your act. Our actions are a reaction to yours, which are destruction and killing of our people as is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine.“It suffices to see the event that shocked the world - the killing of the wheelchair-bound old man Ahmad Yassin - Allah’s mercy upon him -
Tariq Ali via SMH 11/6/05
Violence begets violence, and so the horrors continue..
The real solution lies in immediately ending the occupation of Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine.
Fatty boom sticks via The Australian 12/6/05
Britain had this coming...
the people who died in the subway tunnels and on the bus were victims of the Iraq war.
I wonder why Fatty and Tariq didn’t cut n paste these UBL pearlers
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that.
Our nation has been tasting this humiliation and contempt for more than 80 years.
Posted by knuckleheadwatch on 2005 07 13 at 07:30 PM • permalinkI’m still waiting for the fat bastard to file his weekly column from his impending decadent retirement in Havana.
Lachie and Rupert must have a great old chortle over his ink slinging exploits in their daily Oz broadsheet.
Posted by Jay Santos on 2005 07 13 at 07:31 PM • permalinkA grossly obese plutocrat with a private collection of forbidden graven images… has it occurred to Philco that he would be the first to be offed in the world he hopes for? Or does he see himself as some sort of Sha’ria Gauleiter?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 07 13 at 08:04 PM • permalinkPhillip Adams and Juan Cole are adept performers of a logic-dance common to leftists confronted by terrorism: first, seek a wrong for which the terrorist act can plausibly be seen as “punishment”. Then, shift blame from the terrorists to the perpetrators of the construed wrong. By this logic, if someone insults or otherwise upsets me, provided that person belongs to a legitimate target class (i.e. white, Western, “oppressor"), I am perfectly justified in “executing” them. If someone hurts a member of my family, I am justified in blowing up their home, if not their office and neighborhood. If someone cuts me off in traffic, I am justified in attaching a bomb to the underside of their car. In every case, the blame rests not on me but on the person who got me mad. I was only meting out punishment. They should have known better. They HAD IT COMING.
Sick.Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2005 07 13 at 09:06 PM • permalinkAll very entertaining Tim, except…
Adams is assuming a sane cause-and-effect argument on behalf of people who think it rational to blast themselves to pieces causing dozens of innocents to die. That’s how incredibly stupid they are. Adapting policy to suit idiots this far gone is pointless; you may as well negotiate with semtex-infused crazy ants.
So where on Earth does that leave us!? The war in Iraq, whether you want to draw any direct links to the European bombings or not, is clearly not doing much to prevent these attacks! And while i’d happily douse a colony of “crazy ants” with pesticide, there simply isn’t a comparable measure in regard to the people who are perpetrating these acts.
My point (and i don’t know whether this is wwhat Adams was saying or not) is yes, “sane cause-and-effect” motivations do not work with individuals who are indoctrinated into Al Qaeda and its philosophies. Therefore we need to be looking at ways to prevent young Muslims from joining up with AQ - and a war which, for all its good intentions, seems have been seen by many in the Muslim world as an attack on Islam itself is the logical place to start.
Maybe it’s just a PR issue, but whatever the solution, there’s no point in pretending that the Iraq War in its current guise is a massive recruitment campaign for AQ.
I wonder if anyone has yet drawn an analogy between the London bombings and Conrad’s 1894 novel The Secret Agent? In that book, a shadowy foreign tyranny is infuriated that its subversives are escaping to the haven of tolerant, rule-of-law, habeas corpus England. To force England to tighten up and get tough, it plots a bombing outrage at the Greenwich Observatory, to be blamed on these expat anarchists. Not that I think this is what happened on 7/7, but it’s a good idea for another novel, or even a movie, if Hollywood had the guts to make one on the subject of Islamic terrorism.
Since it probably will not be published and for the record, here is the text of my letter to the editor of the Australian. I am convinced that we must confront these idiots.
“From the title “Britain Had this Coming” to the final word of Phillip Adams’ July 12 opinion piece I am offended, shocked and dismayed. Offended that he makes the argument that the random deaths of British people and others were their own fault when we know, on the basis of evidence, that these bombings are usually about spreading Islam. Shocked at his sneering condescension and complete disregard of fact. For example, where does he get the “There’ll be about 20 kidnappings today” statistic from? What evidence is there that parents are keeping their children home from school because of it?
Dismayed that a paper I regard of quality would not employ an editor who would put this scandalous rubbish to even the most elementary evidentiary test. A poor episode all round”
Scene: The Oz editors office:
Deputy Editor: We’re got to get rid of Adams. He’s boring, repetitive, hypocritical, prone to plagiarism and as this last column shows, monumentally stupid.
Editor: I know, but he’s got his fans. And besides we need someone from the left to balance our gifted writers from the centre and right like Kelly, Sheridan, Albrechsten and Shanahan.
Dep. Editor: There’s plenty of leftie writers out there we could poach. Like Ramsay, Singer, Kingston, that genius on the Internet Shiels, Carlton . . .
Editor: You’ve got to be joking. I know it’s usually only when he’s mourning a lost dog, or recounting “as I said to Gough in 1973”, but ocassionally Adams manages lucidity.
Dep Ed: See what you mean . . . so usual payment to Phil?scuffs: The war in Iraq, whether you want to draw any direct links to the European bombings or not, is clearly not doing much to prevent these attacks!
Not doing much? By what measure? The Rule of Absolute Perfection? Get a grip.
Therefore we need to be looking at ways to prevent young Muslims from joining up with AQ - and a war which, for all its good intentions, seems have been seen by many in the Muslim world as an attack on Islam itself is the logical place to start.
Ahhh, the dreaded ‘Preventive Surrender Tactic.’ Brilliant. Let me explain something about handling children throwing hissyfits, which is all these arseholes are, writ large. Giving them whatever they’re pitching the fit about will shut them up today—and guarantee a bigger, louder tantrum tomorrow, two the next day, and three the day after that. Unfortunately, thanks of years of these ill-bred brats’ demands being met with mealy-mouthed pandering by lickspittle leftistas like yourself, we’re at the three-tantrum stage. The Coalition militaries are now administering a long-overdue hickory switch.
As far as the putative ‘perceptions of many Muslims’ go, many are also firmly convinced that Jews bake with the blood of Muslim babies, that the US caused the tsunami, and that small pox and polio vaccines are a diabolical plot to poison them. This is paranoic ignorance that goes bone deep, and cannot be appeased, only exterminated.
Apologies for the OT post but I had to share this.
The PM on the 7.30 Report last night destroyed Maxine McKew:
MAXINE McKEW: Prime Minister, if as you say you can’t rule out that possibility that we could have potential bombers right here in Australia, what if today’s announcement, this redeployment to Afghanistan and our continued presence in Iraq is all the provocation they need?
JOHN HOWARD: Maxine, these people are opposed to what we believe in and what we stand for, far more than what we do. If you imagine that you can buy immunity from fanatics by curling yourself in a ball, apologising for the world - to the world - for who you are and what you stand for and what you believe in, not only is that morally bankrupt, but it’s also ineffective. Because fanatics despise a lot of things and the things they despise most is weakness and timidity. There has been plenty of evidence through history that fanatics attack weakness and retreating people even more savagely than they do defiant people.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 07 14 at 12:25 AM • permalinkYou know what?
Adams might be wrong but also might be right.
Those little fuckers might have attacked London because of the invasion of Iraq.
My response to that is:
So fucking what, phatboy?
Just because somebody gets pissed off at me it doesn’t mean that I’ve done wrong and/or he’s been wronged and has any moral right to attack me.
Invading Iraq was the right thing to do and who cares if a bunch of ragheads from Yorkshire have a problem with that. They and their accomplices have now made themselves combatants in that war - round ‘em up, and shoot the pricks.
The same analogy could be drawn about the Blitz. I’d like to see Phat Phuc Phil write a column which suggests that Britain has the Blitz coming because they confronted the Germans over Poland and France.
Adams is certainly detestable and in his dotage but now and for the past 40 years he has been adored by the intelligentsia of Australia. Every leftist committee or thinktank - he’s been on it. If he lived in the UK he’d have been dubbed Sir Phillip Adams by Harold Wilson (yes, I know only HM can do dubbing). As it is he has two of our equivalents. Quote:
As well as two Orders of Australia, Phillip was Australian Humanist of the Year (1987) and received the Longford Award, the film industry’s highest accolade in 1981, the same year that he was appointed Senior ANZAC Fellow. He is a recipient of the Henry Lawson Arts Award (1987) and in 1998, the National Trust elected him one of Australia’s ‘100 Living National Treasures”. He has an honorary doctorate from Griffith University. In 1997 the International Astronomical Union named a minor planet orbiting the sun between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter “Phillip Adams”.
Adams owns and lives on a ‘boutique’ cattle property specialising in raising chemical-free beef. He is also an avid collector of antiquities, including Egyptian, Roman and Greek sculptures and artefacts, and is a keen student of the history and archaeology of ancient Egypt. For several years Adams has been the presenter of ABC Radio’s Late Night Live. He has been a columnist for The Australian since the 1960s.
Adams’ humanist philosophies and his progressive, left-wing politics have made him something of a ‘bete noire’ for those on the currently ascendant right wing of Australian politics.
Regretably there is absolutely nothing that can dent his reputation for goodness with the press and the progressives. From a small slip in a press conference a couple of months ago it’s clear John Howard detests him. Read the rest of this panegyric here.
Posted by walterplinge on 2005 07 14 at 12:47 AM • permalinkAdams is wrong. Ignore him. To do anything else simply encourages him.
The problem with this (non) brilliant strategy is that someone, Looking For An Answer, might actually believe Phat Phil. It’s the moral equivalent of sticking your head in the sand.
Errors require corrections, propaganda demands counterpropaganda, and drivel requires considered reason. To do anything else is allow this fool to influence other minds.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 07 14 at 01:05 AM • permalinkWalterplinge:
‘Regretably there is absolutely nothing that can dent his reputation for goodness with the press and the progressives’If Melbourne receives the London treatment and Adams writes in the Australian that “Australia had it coming” there will be denting of his reputation OK.
He might well receive a visit from the boys at ASIOLetter to the editor in today’s Australian
PHILLIP Adams can be an infuriating ideologue but he can also be an absolute dickhead at times. In basically blaming the British contribution to the Iraq war for the shocking carnage in London last week he forgets the deaths of nearly 3,000 innocents (Muslims included) on September 11, 2001, well before the destruction of Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime.
Dick Garner
Maryborough, Qldscuffs --
So, religious Muslim Britons of Pakistani ancestry were angered into terrorist acts by the overthrowing of an apostate Iraqi Arab’s secular dictatorship?
In that case, what possible action could be guaranteed not to set them off? I mean other than replacing the Queen with a Caliph, the Church of England with Islam, and common law with sharia?
Posted by Warmongering Lunatic on 2005 07 14 at 01:37 AM • permalinkOf all the countries in Europe, GB has been bending over to accommodate Islamic terrorist for the last few years. The policy of allowing the British flag to be burnt in public, infidels regularly threatened with murder and giving way to every “demand” of the Muslims has born fruit.
The F.O might well have surmised that by allowing such behavior, the jihadists would look outside its shores in countries such as FRANCE AND Germany to execute their acts of murder. And of course they would have been assured by firebrand Mullahs that since Britain was accommodating, the jihadists would respect its sanctity.
Much of the media such as the Guardian,the Independent and the BBC in particular) participated in propagating the Propaganda that Muslims were victims, peace loving and any insurgency was entirely caused by our imperialistic ways.
Other countries in Europe and elsewhere protested frequently that Great Britain was allowing itself to become the center of European Islamic terrorism at their security.
France, much hated for its refusal to Join the Coalition had already banned the hate speech of Mullahs inside the mosques, had kept the secularity of french education intact by banning overt religious symbols in schools and had introduced “Draconian” laws to deal with terrorists.
Not so the British whose social services funded the activities of extremist clerics who preached murder of the British.
yes the British managed to Ban Fox hunting as Daniel Pipes points out, whilst terrorists planned to kill them.
All I can say is thank god Australia does not have a left wing government like the Brits full of irresponsible idiots.To illustrate the differences between how the UK and the US deal with TREASON.
breaking news AP
ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A prominent Islamic scholar who exhorted his followers after the Sept. 11 attacks to join the Taliban and fight U.S. troops was sentenced Wednesday to life in prison.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Kromberg said al-Timimi “hates the United States” and has called for its destruction.“He’s allowed to do that in this country,” Kromberg said. “He’s not allowed to solicit treason. He deserves every day he gets.”...
In England this guy would be given star status by the BBC and awarded literary prizes.
OT again. Apparently Barry Jones’s speech at the National Press Club was cancelled due to lack of interest:
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 07 14 at 03:30 AM • permalinkAdams is a hang over from a dark period in Australia when Whitlam was in power. Thankfully, due to his weight he will be dead soon.... the sooner the better.
Posted by Karl Fidel Adams-Kingston on 2005 07 14 at 04:00 AM • permalinkO.T
abc site,radio national’s little list of auditory goodies -goody goody yum yum.
“Music and Fashion-(can’t even spell Viv Westwood’s name correctly, its not Westward.)
Next - Cutting back the booze by correspondence???????
Ace Day Jobs.Tell us about yours.”
It couldn’t possibly compete with yours though,all that public money to play with.Well in the UK Muslims leaders interviewed are blaming the bombings on
the Jews“ the situation in Palestine”.So you really have a choice of lame excuses to justify mass murder. And boy are they being used…
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 07 14 at 06:22 AM • permalinkilibcc — It’s been a long time since Philco could look down and see Phallustine…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 07 14 at 09:48 AM • permalinkWarmongering Lunatic -
“the overthrowing of an apostate Iraqi Arab’s secular dictatorship”
While I’m sure I risk the wrath of many on this page, the situation in Iraq is clearly not as simple as you want to portray it. Whatever the noble aims, it was predicated to the public on half-truths (the existence of WMDs, the link between Saddam and Al Qaeda), and has been further marred by incidents such as Abu Ghraib.
It’s all well and good to tell ourselves iin the West that the US is simply overthrowing a dictator, but clearly that is not how it is perceived by many in the Muslim world, and while Murph’s response of “so fucking what” might feel good (and justified), it’s not really a solution is it? Western cities are still being bombed, innocent citizens are still dying - excuse me if i’m more interested in finding a real solution than simply venting!
Fuck me, I just loved the Phat Phuk’s bit about Saddam’s mass graves being history.
Talk about not having a moral compass . . .
Posted by Young and Free on 2005 07 15 at 03:48 AM • permalinkOT: Thanks Mr Blue, seeing my name on Instapundit was one hell of a shock!
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2005 07 16 at 02:32 AM • permalink
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Fuck you Adams. Christ, this constant rewriting of history is seriously starting to shit me.