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CIVIL WAR IN FRANCE
More casualties among French police than for US forces in Iraq? I’m not certain about the figures cited—which refer to injuries rather than deaths—but the sheer number of gendarme beat-downs is still extraordinary. More from the Daily Telegraph:
Radical Muslims in France’s housing estates are waging an undeclared “intifada” against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.
As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were “in a state of civil war” with Muslims in the most depressed “banlieue” estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.
It said the situation was so grave that it had asked the government to provide police with armoured cars to protect officers in the estates, which are becoming no-go zones.
The whole subject is a no-go zone for the SMH’s Adele Horin, who hasn’t mentioned France much at all since telling us four years ago that “the economy is flourishing, unemployment is falling, consumer confidence has hit a historic high and most French say their lifestyle has improved.”
(Via Wimpy Canadian)
Want to know what’s worse?
The casualty rate among French police is higher than that of US soldiers in Iraq!
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 10 19 at 12:09 PM • permalinkNot quite as bad here in Lyon as in Paris. The police are not being attacked every night and the suburbs are dodgy but no so dodgy that you don’t visit them to get a kebab/pizza that actuallt tastes good. Even the Arab Quarter here is fine to hang out in (at least for a 6 foot 2 inch, 200 pound guy - my fiancee doesn’t like to visit alone).
I think it is isolated to the ‘bad’ sections of Paris for now but will, in all likelihhod, make its way to us here in the ‘civilised’ city of Lyon. Sucks to be us.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 10 19 at 12:35 PM • permalinkWhat can we do, The_Real-JeffS?
We are planning to get out of here in the next year or so and head east ot Slovenia or Romania - somewhere where people still remember that communism/socialism was a bad thing.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 10 19 at 12:59 PM • permalinkAnd despite Napoleon causing the deaths of millions of Frenchmen- the moron French still revere the midget like he’s a god.
The major French military heroes consist of a foreigner and a teenage girl.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 10 19 at 01:08 PM • permalinkWait, Tim, didn’t you publish this item a couple of weeks ago?
previousPosted by Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on 2006 10 19 at 01:49 PM • permalinkI read many years ago that the gendarmes in these particular arrondissements close up shop at 6:00pm. I remember thinking at the time ‘they’ve already surrendered’. I would like to invite some of these disaffected Parisian yoots to come to New York and try pulling this crap. Come on, make my day.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 10 19 at 01:51 PM • permalinkWe are planning to get out of here in the next year or so and head east ot Slovenia or Romania - somewhere where people still remember that communism/socialism was a bad thing.
That was my initial thought, kisdm001, but I didn’t want to presume that I understood your situation, which I don’t.
Best of luck!
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 19 at 01:54 PM • permalinkLiving here for awhile, The_Real_JeffS, you really start to appreciate what we took for granted in Australia. Sure, the wine is good and the beer is cheap but it sure gets depressing when everyone is so pessimistic about the future.
Some polling puts the number of French people who want to work for the public service here at around 75%. I have not yet met one Romanian who wants to work for the public service - and why would they? Why not start a business? Why not build an idea into a company and, in time, a lifestyle of freedom? This is exactly the opposite attitude to what you find in France where capitalism and entrpreneurism is looked at with disdain.
We joke that France is going to be the first country where we get to see the economy collapse in person…but with every day it seems the joke is becoming less funny and more real.
East Europe here we come!
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2006 10 19 at 03:39 PM • permalinkImagine what it will be like once the Lancet gets hold of those figures!
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2006 10 19 at 04:21 PM • permalinkI am pleased to announce that since import regulations have been relaxed , it is now possible to purchase the Queen of all cheeses in Queensland, namely the “Black Roquefort” now available in many delis.
Consumed with quick swig of a good Australian red and a swirl around the mouth
and you enter the paradise of epicurists.
No need to endanger oneself by travelling to France and confronting the slings and arrows of outrageous Muslim youth to enjoy this supreme experience.Hélas, c’est vrai!
Il y a des banlieues et des secteurs de France qui sont hors limites à l’heure actuelle aux lois et aux normes de la République.
Quelle honte…
Notre cher Sarko, il est bel et bien le moment de passer à l’action!
Courage, mes enfants!
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2006 10 19 at 05:43 PM • permalinkWith all the rants about Iraq the French government have been issuing I think it is too late for a moderate withdrawal. Only a full scale withdrawal of the French from France will make the Islamic extremists happy.
Maybe their involvement in Southern Lebanon is just a sneaky move in creating a new homeland for the French people? Nothing like a good conspiracy theory is there? Anyway, where else would they go, any room for 60 million French in Canada?
When the French surrendered to the Germans in WWII, the Brits sank the French fleet rather than let it fall into Nazi hands.
When the French surrender (publically, I mean, they’ve probably already done it in private) to the Muslims…what will be the fallout from dealing with the French “force de frappe”? Yikes! Bad choice of words. Strike “fallout” and replace with “outcome”.
But perhaps Paris will become a permanent “city of lights”, glowing in the dark…Posted by Jim,MtnViewCA,USA on 2006 10 19 at 07:22 PM • permalinkDo you really do this for a living? Do you still live with your parents?
Posted by Miranda Divide on 2006 10 19 at 07:58 PM • permalink#27
I hope to Miranda, especially once my new book comes out. Coming soon on Melbourne University Press as soon as we get our hands on a decent map:
My France QuestionVarious wars in France have been the abiding conflicts of our era, with little apparent hope of resolution due to years of immediate surrender. On one side of the conflict, in the face of car burnings and international criticism over its chicken-shittedness, France hopes for the right of the French state to exist in France – but only if it doesn’t have to do anything about it. On the other, the Muslim people struggle, some peacefully (the Maksood family of Lille), others violently, for survival.
In My France Question, a young Australian, Margos Maid, asks how much Francophilia – the ideology of French nationalism – is to blame for this intractable conflict.
MM fearlessly investigates the ways in which the French diaspora in France and elsewhere have campaigned on France’s behalf, in regular coffees with Adele Horin, and in political and business spheres.
MM also considers the historical rationale of the French and asks how relevant and sustainable twentieth-century France is today – and concludes – not very. A searching discussion from a significant new voice in one of the least important debates of our times.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 10 19 at 08:11 PM • permalinkGive it a couple of years and it will be safer to walk the streets in Baghdad or Mosul than it will be in Paris.
The irony is so delicious it just must be fattening…Posted by Rachel Corrie's Flatmate on 2006 10 19 at 08:34 PM • permalinkThe french intellectuals and establishment, so busy in protecting the purity of its language from America and the Anglo saxons were more outraged by words such as “le weekend” or “le sandwich” or “le hamburger” that it hardly paid attention to its creeping Islamisation.
Its dislike of American culture and American politics since the Gaulish days of post WW, led it to make it’s eager alliances with the arab world in its desire to secure oil supplies and distance itself from America.
Such alliances were reinforced by its collective guilt of its imperialist transgression in the north African continent. A guilt which formed the core of its intellectual left policy towards Islam.
the french held their culture in such high regard that they believed that any newcomers would be seduced by it and eventually accept and conform to it.
It was France’s monumental culture which caused it’s blindness to its Islamisation.
How could anybody not be seduced by its wonderful art museums its glorious literature, its magnificent buildings its savoir vivre ?
France opened its gates to Islamic immigration, welcoming a new wave of people who would embrace their culture and be grateful for the largesse of their hosts.
Those who warned of the consequences were silenced by cries of racism or fascism and were associated with the far right who were infested with anti-Semites, holocaust deniers and homophobes
When Boumedienne boasted in 1974 at the UN that millions of Muslims would venture north as warriors of islam and would conquer it with the wombs of Islamic women , who paid attention ?
The mere reporting of such a statement would have brought cries of racism from the french intellectual left and its media.#29 Do not forget to mention the “French Only” roads. I saw them at Charles de Gaulle Airport. They would not let a humble Australian like myself pass and instead sent me to the line filled with the world’s wretched, that stated without ambiguity “Aliens/Foreign Muck”.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 19 at 10:15 PM • permalinkIn all seriousness, if there is serious fighting in Europe won’t many of the Fwench-and others-just emigrate? A lot will go to Quebec (which will probably result in the PQ gaining even more support and perhaps eventual independence), but some will probably head towards Australia. After all, it is fairly easy to get in (at least that was what our NZ-born bus driver said) and it is an alternative for the frogs to frozen Quebec and primitive America (at least as they see it).
Adding 5 million spoiled socialists to a nation of 20 million could have far ranging effects.
Maybe we should go ahead and forcibly relocate them all to Haiti before it is too late.
#37 Nowt could be funnier than making the French assimilate to the Austrlian way of life.
“It’s a shower Frenchy, get used to it”!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 19 at 11:31 PM • permalinkJoe Noory at No-pasaran
puts the total destruction at 76.999 events of vandalisation and destruction
Cars Torched 31,614
Violent act against ambulances,firemen police etc 4244
Acts of vandaklism aginst properties 5959
do you smell something burning?AND NO! he does’nt work for The Lancet!
91B30
If any decide to migrate to Quebec, they’ll probably decide to head West to Alberta within hours of arrival. One problem is that “Parisian French” is only similar to “Quebecois”; the latter has been separate from the mothertongue since 1759, and the Quebecers do not consider their French to be necessarily inferior.Cheers
Posted by J.M. Heinrichs on 2006 10 20 at 12:10 AM • permalink‘“...most French say their lifestyle has improved.”’
Hopefully, they’ll now be able to afford to bathe more than twice per annum, and also to maintain an army that doesn’t have to surrender to the German army fifteen minutes after it crosses the frontier.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2006 10 20 at 01:58 AM • permalink#3 RebeccaH “Seriously, the French are in trouble and I don’t see a solution that doesn’t involve lots of blood, screaming, and property damage”.
That says it all. I think France knows it’s gone but does the rest of the world know this?
Whither the French go, go I. There may be still time for Oz, but Europe is, well, history. You can’t unscramble an egg.
The French have the resources to establish order in the banlieue, they simply lack the will.
The South Bronx became a lawless no-go area under David Dinkins and Ed Koch. There was much earnest discussion of root causes, poverty, alientation, discrimination, racism, lack of opportunity, blah, blah, blah.
Then New Yorkers elected Giuliani. Turns out all that was needed was a swift kick in the ass.
Perhaps Chirac could pursuade Bloomberg to loan him the NYPD for a week.
Hemingway said Paris is a movable feast. I’m all for moving the good stuff—the contents of the Louvre and other museums, Notre Dame, etc., to anywhere in the Anglosphere, including India, where such beauty will be preserved.
We’ll also have to scoop up some of the finer restaurants, or at least their chefs, and the cheese cellars.
The car-burnings and banlieus, they can keep. We’ll have all the good stuff to continue feasting upon.
Number 44:
Fair enough. But tell me, what did London help incubate?
No, not you in the back with the eye-patch and the metal claw.
Let someone else answer.
Posted by JJM Ballantyne on 2006 10 20 at 01:55 PM • permalinkIt’s all Rousseau. He killed the revolution and murdered thousands. Philosophically, his influence has spread via Kant, et al. In comparison, Marx was a piker; Rousseau’s pure emotionalism will always carry more appeal than the “science” of Marx. The real cause of the continued love of socialism by France is their beloved Rousseau, who out Plato’d Plato.
Most of the problems of attitude facing the US right now originated with that bastard. It really is too bad that Locke didn’t have the metaphysics, and especially the epistemology, required to firmly anchor his politics. Of course, his politics, with its emphasis on the individual, was revolutionary enough, and was the basis for the founding of the United States of America. For that alone, he deserves our praise.
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What do you expect from the French. Bunch of fuckups aren’t they? They couldn’t beat the English, whom they despise, for the last 1000 years- and they still prance around like someone cheated them of their shot at destiny.
Then the French start a revolution for freedom, liberty and equality- and the morons eventually vote for an Emperor… and he’s a Corsican ffs!!! And despite Napoleon causing the deaths of millions of Frenchmen- the moron French still revere the midget like he’s a god.
The French- its means fucked up european in french.