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CHILDREN NOT STOLEN

Amid a frenzy of stolen generation sorritude - ably dissected by Andrew Bolt - the Sydney Morning Herald reports:

[Department of Community Services] workers have detailed a catalogue of failures that have left at-risk children in unsafe families ...

Surely the paper isn’t advocating that the children be ... stolen?

Posted by Tim B. on 02/10/2008 at 08:01 PM
  1. Surely the paper isn’t advocating that the children be ... stolen?

    No, rescued by nanny state and put in lovely apartment.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 08:37 PM • permalink

  2. More at Alone and in limbo
    Of course:

    “Babington blames the Howard government for the crisis.”

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 08:46 PM • permalink

  3. Taking the kids from their group to be raised in either institutions (and at the mercy of generally good willed people) or non kin families was the 2nd worst thing that could be done.

    The worst was to leave them.

    It infuriates me that the default position of EVERY mixed race child is Aboriginal. Does being a member of the least successful community type on earth (the tribe) automatically trump any others?

    We still have criminal trials in Kalgoorlie being aborted because the defendants cant speak English functionally. This is after having supposedly attended school for 10 years.
    There is a real sickness in a system that condemns one of its members to being able to communicate effectively in a tongue understood by (at best) 1,000 other people. How narrow and diminished has that blokes life been made by that basic neglect?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 10 at 08:53 PM • permalink

  4. There seems to be a lot of fuss going on over this stolen “Generation Report” thing.

    In future, I expect the federal government to store such “Generation Reports” more securely.

    Either that, or apologise for misplacing it so absent-mindedly.

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 02 10 at 08:57 PM • permalink

  5. #3 Aboriginals can claim more money than a non-Aboriginals. Court legalese confuses me and I speak English.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 09:09 PM • permalink

  6. Can’t they do like civilized nations, and put up a website full of head-tilting soap-dodgers and unicycle fetishists holding up stupid signs?

    Have you no white guys with dreadlocks?

    Posted by Don't Bogart that Midget, Comrade! on 2008 02 10 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  7. Oh come on, people - there’s a big difference in agenda between Christian missionaries and leftist social workers.

    Posted by anthony_r on 2008 02 10 at 09:14 PM • permalink

  8. OT. Jose Ramos-Horta shot, on his way to Darwin. Alfredo Reinado also killed.

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 02 10 at 09:16 PM • permalink

  9. #8 Alfredo Reinado no loss. Ramos-Horta seems a good guy these days.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 09:27 PM • permalink

  10. #6 locks dreaded out.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 09:28 PM • permalink

  11. #7 Depends on agenda it seems.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 10 at 09:30 PM • permalink

  12. #5
    No stack, he means that these people cannot speak nor understand the English language. In court you’d have a fair idea what was going on, because you speak and understand English.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 10 at 09:34 PM • permalink

  13. National Sorry Day. All major credit cards accepted.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 10 at 09:44 PM • permalink

  14. And what sort of chance is there that on Wednesday night things may turn nasty . I wonder if there is any expectation (or what level of precautions have been taken) for possible trouble/unrest/violence if the “apology” is not seen to say enough or suit the requirements of the more radical elements among the Aboriginal attendees and sympathisers on Wednesday ?

    I have a gut feel that things are set up for some unpleasant confrontations.
    I’ll bet there are a few of the Federal Police rostered on in Canberra on Wednesday that would not otherwise be.
    Hmmm . We’ll see….

    Posted by Wacko on 2008 02 10 at 09:48 PM • permalink

  15. #8
    ABC News report said that

    Ramos-Horta’s wife, Kirsty Sword Gusmao…

    Um, I thought she was married to Xanana Gusmao.

    Sheesh, shows how much I know.

    Ramos Horta

    Gusmao & Sword Gusmao.

    oops.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 10 at 09:48 PM • permalink

  16. #13
    No, they’ll only be accepting the Government Platinum Card, I fear.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 10 at 09:49 PM • permalink

  17. [For your viewing pleasure, National Geographic Channel is running 6 Degrees now.  Lots of laughs.]

    Posted by aaron_ on 2008 02 10 at 10:00 PM • permalink

  18. Get Bill Clinton to apologize. He does it a lot, and always blames America.

    Posted by Merlin on 2008 02 10 at 10:15 PM • permalink

  19. All will be fixed if they just let St Kevin say “sorry”

    Posted by Jazza on 2008 02 10 at 10:28 PM • permalink

  20. I think the billions of dollars needed to pay the $$$$ORRY tribute should be taken from Vet Affairs and Military Super funds. Any extra funds needed to pay the continuously escalating demand should be taken by confiscating all veterans property

    The vicious mindless fools who were stupid enough to go and fight for this country don’t deserve anything but contemptuous jeers, and a lifetime of total deprivation.

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 02 10 at 10:51 PM • permalink

  21. Andrew Bolt deserves a journalism award for his demolition of this whole mendacious travesty.

    What chance a Walkley?

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 10 at 10:54 PM • permalink

  22. Compensation Form

    I ...................................(Insert name) of .............................(insert address) hereby apply for compensation for being taken into care/not taken into care*.
    * delete whichever is inapplicable.


    ...................
    Signed

    Posted by lingus4 on 2008 02 10 at 10:58 PM • permalink

  23. Speaking of awards, Obama won a Grammy.

    What I find astonishing is that Bill Clinton has won two (this is Obama’s second, also). Obama’s, and Bill’s, Grammy’s were in the “spoken word” category - audio books based on the dead tree versions of their maunderings.

    The price of piffle is going up, folks!

    Posted by paco on 2008 02 10 at 11:02 PM • permalink

  24. I’m sorry that well-meaning but misguided twit Nugget Coombs ever got the ear of anyone in Canberra.
    On the other hand, I was several times granted the pleasure of seeing Jim Cairns standing alone and ignored among the crowds at Camberwell Market. Almost restored my faith in humanity.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 02 10 at 11:02 PM • permalink

  25. During 6 Degrees there was a Hummer commercial during most of the breaks.

    My favorite commercial was for this: hummerhelps.com.

    Posted by aaron_ on 2008 02 10 at 11:07 PM • permalink

  26. OT: Miranda Divide, why haven’t we heard from you? Is it because of this good news?

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 02 10 at 11:21 PM • permalink

  27. #3 - frollicking, it’s worth remembering that there are many bureaucrats in the Aboringal industry who depend on ever increasing budgets to pay their mortgage.  The more people they can class as “Aboriginal”, the more money they can screw out of Treasury.

    I’m sure if you and I popped down to Canberra to look at their archives, we’d find ourselves listed as Aboriginal in order to inflate the numbers.

    It’s like the definition of “homeless children”.  If a 16 year old scoots out the bedroom window on Friday night and spends the night having a blast with his mates under some trees at the local golf club, he’ll be officially classes as “homeless” by one of the many charities or agencies tasked with sucking on the public tit combating homelessness.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 10 at 11:21 PM • permalink

  28. #5 Court legalese confuses me and I’m a lawyer.
    #12 Kae, you are an optimist.
    As to stolen; an appropriate Australian term maybe ‘pinched’, ‘nicked’ or ‘givesusalend’ or, since money is incipient, ‘invested’.

    Posted by cohenite on 2008 02 10 at 11:24 PM • permalink

  29. Archbishop of Canterbury may be forced to step down. “Screw you if you can’t take a joke”, says embattled prelate.

    Ok, I made up the quote. But if ain’t true, it oughta be.

    Posted by paco on 2008 02 10 at 11:40 PM • permalink

  30. #29 That article’s vox pop outside Canterbury Cathedral was damning for Owlbrows.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 10 at 11:51 PM • permalink

  31. Archbishop admits “I’m stupider than I look, think I’ll go back to train spotting.”

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 10 at 11:53 PM • permalink

  32. #29 The site’s self-descriptive banner - “The Voice for Global Orthodox Anglicanism” - may be a double-decker bus of an oxymoron, but apparently in the conservative Anglican circles for which it speaks, Owlbrows is also being called now the Imam of Canterbury.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 10 at 11:59 PM • permalink

  33. Where do the queues form for legal aid for the rest of Australians who have been falsely accused of mistreating aboriginals?
    Slander and libel are illegal aren’t they and that is why we should sue this government who are accusing us .Shouldn’t we?

    Posted by waussie on 2008 02 11 at 12:01 AM • permalink

  34. What they were saved from:

    From The Economist, 22 Dec 2007.

    Several archaeologists and anthropologists now argue that violence was much more pervasive in hunter-gatherer society than in more recent eras. From the
    !Kung in the Kalahari to the Inuit in the Arctic and the aborigines in Australia, two-thirds of modern hunter-gatherers are in a state of almost constant tribal warfare, and nearly 90% go to war at least once a year. War is a big word for dawn raids, skirmishes and lots of posturing, but death rates are high—usually around 25-30% of adult males die from homicide. The warfare death rate of 0.5% of the population per year that Lawrence Keeley of the University of Illinois calculates as typical of hunter-gatherer societies would equate to 2 billion people dying during the 20th century.

    At first, anthropologists were inclined to think this a modern pathology. But it is increasingly looking as if it is the natural state. Richard Wrangham of Harvard University says that chimpanzees and human beings are the only animals in which males engage in co-operative and systematic homicidal raids. The death rate is similar in the two species. Steven LeBlanc, also of Harvard, says Rousseauian wishful thinking has led academics to overlook evidence of constant violence.

    Not so many women as men die in warfare, it is true. But that is because they are often the object of the fighting. To be abducted as a sexual prize was almost certainly a common female fate in hunter-gatherer society. Forget the Garden of Eden; think Mad Max.

    Constant warfare was necessary to keep population density down to one person per square mile. Farmers can live at 100 times that density. Hunter-gatherers may have been so lithe and healthy because the weak were dead. The invention of agriculture and the advent of settled society merely swapped high mortality for high morbidity, allowing people some relief from chronic warfare so they could at least grind out an existence, rather than being ground out of existence altogether.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 11 at 12:01 AM • permalink

  35. Prepare for the outrage:

    Minister warns of ‘inbred’ Muslims:

    A government minister has warned that inbreeding among immigrants is causing a surge in birth defects - comments likely to spark a new row over the place of Muslims in British society.

    Phil Woolas, an environment minister, said the culture of arranged marriages between first cousins was the “elephant in the room”. Woolas, a former race relations minister, said: “If you have a child with your cousin the likelihood is there’ll be a genetic problem.”

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 11 at 12:18 AM • permalink

  36. #35 - The birth defects are terrible. A drug smuggler had to be beheaded twice.

    Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 11 at 12:23 AM • permalink

  37. 34 - Read here for commentary from a few familiar names.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 02 11 at 12:26 AM • permalink

  38. “A discussion paper calling for ideas is expected to be released in six weeks by the Rudd Government.”

    #2 from your link, Stackja.

    Babington thinks that this is taking action? Far canal! I’d hate to see what procrastinating is in his world.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 11 at 12:38 AM • permalink

  39. #32: One wonders if the Archbishop employs a muezzin to call the faithful to social uplift and rummage sales.

    Posted by paco on 2008 02 11 at 12:39 AM • permalink

  40. Sorry for the OT,

    Global Warming is not the big bogey any more.

    Here is the latest threat to our Earth.

    Damn those Philharmonics!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 12:50 AM • permalink

  41. OK, Since no-one else has stood up to the plate, allow me….

    Scene: A football stadium in Sydney. Two aboriginals and a wannabe sitting in the benches as the match plays.

    Citizen 1: “I mean, what have the whites ever done for us, hey?”

    Pause.

    Citizen 2: “They built roads”

    Citizen 1: “Well, yeah, goes without saying. But, apart from roads, what have they done?”

    Citizen 2 THINKS FOR A MOMENT
    Citizen 2: “Sewerage”

    Citizen 1 (increasingly frustrated)” yeah, but apart from roads and sewerage, right, what have the whites ever done for us?”

    Citizen 1 nods. Thena spark “HOSPITALS!”

    Citizen 2 “Look, Apart from Roads sewerage and hospitals what have they done, brothers?”

    Citizen 3: “I want to be a woman”


    Freely plagiarised from Monty Python, but I happen to think that in the current situation, they aren’t really that far from the truth, are they?

    Posted by wanglese on 2008 02 11 at 12:51 AM • permalink

  42. #31&36; IT.

    Mate, you got me in stitches today!

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 02 11 at 12:52 AM • permalink

  43. Fear not, all is not lost. The compo money will come straight back to the bolwer very quick

    I am buying up every second hand landcruiser troop carrier in the nation, waiting for the demand to surge.

    TFM stop burying them !

    Some may laugh, but it was ME who cornered the market in XD falcon wagons in the 1990’s following MABO. The tubble motor ones were very popular..

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 02 11 at 12:58 AM • permalink

  44. #35.Unfortunately the advice from Minister Woolas is about six centuries too late.

    Posted by Lew on 2008 02 11 at 01:02 AM • permalink

  45. #35 - But you should hear them play a banjo.

    Posted by Irobot on 2008 02 11 at 01:28 AM • permalink

  46. Bolt has been hammering for some time the point that well-heeled Aborigines see a symbolic apology as worth more than a 1000 lives of impoverished Aboriginal children.

    And Rudd agrees. This is the sort of heartless lack of care for human life that marks a despot from a human being.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 02 11 at 01:29 AM • permalink

  47. I put up an invite at this site for people to explore alternative viewpoints here. So this is just a link to keep things fair.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 02 11 at 01:32 AM • permalink

  48. #43 Only a Prius my be purchased with compo.Tough titty on the Cruisers.

    Posted by watty on 2008 02 11 at 01:45 AM • permalink

  49. 43. Pickles

    My old man runs a car yard in Gero catering to the lower end of the market. The “baby bonus” and couple of one off family payments by Howard were a goldmine for him.
    This will be money in the bank for him.

    There is already a stream of money from mining companies coming into town for the various tribal members.
    The same pattern emerges, the blokes with their shit together do even better, while those who are rooted just go down the gurgler quicker.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 11 at 01:54 AM • permalink

  50. #2 Stackja. Interesting article, but I can’t help feeling it’s something of a shill for the child protection bureaucracy. Like most of these “problem solving” departments they have a vested interest in making something look as bad as possible so that they can ask for more funds to alleviate the problem (but never solve it of course)*. They claim that Australia-wide about ten thousand children of between 12 to 17 years were forcibly removed from their families in 2006. If this is typical then there will be almost fifty thousand children in care in the 12 to 17 year old cohort at any time. This is a very large number and I just don’t believe it. If it is true then we have a real problem that should be publically investigated and handled. And the role of the bureaucracies in it should be critically assessed as well.

    * The definition of homelessness comes to mind here. When we hear of homeless people we automatically think of people sleeping in cardboard boxes and so on. The departments take advantage of this by defining homeless to also include people sleeping on friend’s couches and people who may (or may not) face eviction for whatever reason. The result is to make us think that the situation is far worse than it is when we hear the figures.

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 02 11 at 02:23 AM • permalink

  51. Also from Stackja’s link:

    A coalition of 40 peak child protection organisations ...

    1. That seems an awful lot of organisations, perhaps we can use resources better by merging some of them.

    2. What exactly is a “peak” organisation? I’ve never actually seen this defined. Does it just mean an organisation that’s sitting at the top of the funding heap desperately fending off competitors?

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 02 11 at 02:33 AM • permalink

  52. I bet the counsellors will be out in force to meet the needs of those traumatised by having to relive the pain of their ancestors.  It’s a Canberra thing!

    Posted by Quoll on 2008 02 11 at 03:32 AM • permalink

  53. #51 Usually it means the most prominent and well known ones, doesn’t it?

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 03:33 AM • permalink

  54. #50 - Burbank, there was the usual moral panic in Perth about 15 years ago over homeless children.

    When you stripped out all the kids that had gone AWOL from home on Saturday night to hang out in Nightsbridge with their mates, they found there were more charities dealing with homeless children than there were actual homeless children. 

    Charities are run by paid administrators.  The more money they raise, the more they get paid.  Bureaucrats love building empires (been there, done that).  There is always an enormous vested interest in beating up certain social problems in order to funnel more money into a charity/bureaucracy.

    Ever heard of a charity folding its tents and going into voluntary shutdown and saying, “We’ve solved that problem for good - we can all move onto something else now”.

    Posted by mr creosote on 2008 02 11 at 05:23 AM • permalink

  55. On the other hand, I was several times granted the pleasure of seeing Jim Cairns standing alone and ignored among the crowds at Camberwell Market. Almost restored my faith in humanity.

    Shortly after that he was demoted and spent the remainder of his dotage outside the toilet block at South Melbourne Market with his small table of books about his love for Juni Morosi.  No buyers but occasionally an old duffer would shuffle up for a word or two. Pathetic.

    Posted by walterplinge on 2008 02 11 at 05:23 AM • permalink

  56. #35

    On the subject of inbred Muslims: diabetes is epidemic in many Muslim communities for this reason.  Saudi Arabia has a major problem due to the fact that large numbers of them screw their own cousins.

    As a result, massive piggeries have been established across Saudi.  Their sole purpose being to produce insulin for the droves of inbred freaks.

    It’s a very contraversial and touchy subject on Saudi.  Personally, I find it hilarious.

    Posted by murph on 2008 02 11 at 05:24 AM • permalink

  57. #56 Murph

    Personally, I find it hilarious.

    That’s because it is Murph. I didn’t know that, but it’s just so, so… beautiful. If I laugh any harder, I might actually cry.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 05:34 AM • permalink

  58. #29
    Archbishop of Canterbury was “taken out of context”.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 05:59 AM • permalink

  59. Taken out of context? My instructions were taken out, tarred and feathered.
    RRRRrr must I do EVERYTHING myself?

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 02 11 at 06:32 AM • permalink

  60. #58
    If he was referring to jihadists: taken out of SEM-TEX?

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 11 at 06:41 AM • permalink

  61. These must obviously be self-sustaining porcines, as Allah forbids the touching of the unclean squealers. Unless the Saudi’s hire others to do their dirty work for them.

    What do they do with the rest of the pig after spinning off insulin? Bacon burgers with a side of crackling?

    Posted by CB on 2008 02 11 at 06:48 AM • permalink

  62. #12 They are mushrooms kept in the dark and fed manure it seems.
    #51 peak means they get top dollar.
    #34 We will see the stolen get the $orry excuse.
    I wonder which areas of the outback holds the most un-stolen graves?
    Not sure if link still works so here is the full letter:

    I WAS a Northern Territory police officer in the 1950s. No full-blood Aboriginal child was ever removed from a tribal situation. 
    Only part-Aborigines were removed when their lives were in danger. This danger arose at puberty, when a male would normally be initiated and a female could marry. Both events required that the ``skin’’ of the Aboriginal parents be known, to determine the skin of the pubescent child. A part-Aborigine could not have a skin. The part-Aboriginal female could be used by any initiated male. The ``skinless’’ male would just quietly disappear.
    I had a tracker who began living with a part-Aboriginal girl. She already had a son who had red hair and freckles. They all lived in the Aboriginal camp. The boy was not removed because he still had a few years before he would reach puberty, when the danger would arise. I was subsequently transferred to Alice Springs. My tracker followed me but left his consort behind. Her son was probably eventually “stolen’’. If so, he is probably still alive somewhere.
    Tony Kelly
    Eden Hills, SA

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 06:49 AM • permalink

  63. Unless the Saudi’s hire others to do their dirty work for them.

    You don’t know much about Saudi, do you?

    Or in fact many Muslim nations… they have to have slaves or other Kaffur to do all the work for them.
    Many of them are just plain bone lazy.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 06:51 AM • permalink

  64. United Nations “peacekeepers” - keeping everyone safe!

    UN police ‘refused to help’ injured Ramos Horta.

    East Timor’s Government says United Nations forces failed to help President Jose Ramos Horta after he was shot in an assassination attempt in Dili this morning.

    The country’s Foreign Ministry has issued a statement which said that UN police stayed about 300 metres away from where Mr Ramos Horta was shot.

    [Joao] Carrascalao [leader of the Timorese Democratic Union] told ABC Radio’s PM that when UN police arrived at the scene of the attack they refused to help.

    “I have to regret that we advised the United Nations Police who went to the scene but 300 metres before reaching there, they refused to proceed,’ he said.

    “The President was lying on the road and bleeding and already shot, and they refused to continue to give him assistance.

    “It was finally the family and an ambulance from our hospital that went and rescued the President when he was more than half-an-hour bleeding and losing a lot of blood.

    The UN “police” must have been busy raping the local girls.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 11 at 06:59 AM • permalink

  65. “The UN “police” must have been busy raping the local girls”

    Or Goats.  Whichever was closest at hand…

    Posted by murph on 2008 02 11 at 07:08 AM • permalink

  66. #64 C.L. Do any reports mention where these particular police are from?

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 02 11 at 07:10 AM • permalink

  67. #62
    If those formally identified as ‘stolen’ are proved to have fared better than their siblings who weren’t, are they still deemed to be owed compen$ation?

    PS
    Phatty’s currently banging on about East Timor - send him back as a human shield for Ramos-Horta?

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 11 at 07:10 AM • permalink

  68. #64 CL, that refusal wouldn’t have anything to do with Indonesia wanting a piece of East Timor for themselves?

    And lots of lolling re piggeries in Saudi.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 11 at 07:13 AM • permalink

  69. THE Opposition should respect the view of the Australian public which voted for Labor’s workplace relations policy, Deputy Prime Minister Julie Gillard said.

    So I guess this means that Labor was wrong to oppose any of the Libs’ policies when they were the government - the public voted for them after all.

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 02 11 at 07:15 AM • permalink

  70. #43 Pickles. I’d like a share of that. Do they need any bulk wine? And I mean bulk.

    Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 11 at 07:27 AM • permalink

  71. #64
    link
    Role of United Nations Police (UNPol) in Timor-Leste - Frequently Asked Questions
    Q. Will UNPol officers carry weapons?
    Yes. Use of weapons is governed by international laws relating to the use of proportionate force and rules of engagement.

    My guess they were not sure whose side they were supposed to be on.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 07:29 AM • permalink

  72. #66 Good question, Burbank. Will await further reports with interest.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 11 at 07:31 AM • permalink

  73. Aaaaaaargh! No!

    I just turned on my TV, and without any warning at all, Stephen Smith turns up on the screen.

    That’s not fair! Or nice!

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 07:35 AM • permalink

  74. #72 Green Left - EAST TIMOR: Protests after Australian troops kill ...

    Again, who is behind this?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 07:38 AM • permalink

  75. #64
    The UN piece corps?

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 11 at 07:49 AM • permalink

  76. #23, paco, in 2006 Obama won a Grammay for reading his book “Dreams from my father”.  Funny how it’s all about the black Kenyan father who deserted him as a child yet we don’t hear anything about his stepfather of the white grandfather who actually brought him up.  What a contrast between Obama and Clarence Thomas who also grew up in similar circumstances, being brought up by a grandfather.  Clarence Thomas acknowledged his grandfather’s contribution to who he turned out to be.  How long will we have to wait for Obama to acknowledge his grandfather.

    On second thoughts, once Obama has secured the Democratic nomination he will suddenly discover that he is also half-white.

    Posted by Crossie on 2008 02 11 at 07:59 AM • permalink

  77. #76 O-man half-hearted?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:02 AM • permalink

  78. #69 why does JG talk so funny?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:03 AM • permalink

  79. Is the draft $orry $tatement akin to the previous thread:

    We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable and we apologize to <insert name here> for any distress caused by our previous apology ...

    ...in one’s best John Cleese voice ...

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 11 at 08:05 AM • permalink

  80. #78 And why does she bear such a striking resemblance to an anorexic weasel?

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 08:05 AM • permalink

  81. #62 Stack,

    I’ve seen that letter before on a website.

    There’s a comment by some moron, Dave Davis, who craps on about spilling a beer belonging to the Aussie Jujitsu team.

    “Dave Davis
    Collingwood
    Fri 01 Feb 08 (09:20am)

    I was in a Collingwood bar recently when I accidentally knocked over a full jug of beer belonging to Australia’s olympic jujitsu team. While attempting to explain to the men that any apology would be a purely symbolic and meaningless gesture bound to encourage a victim mentality in the recipient, I was kicked to the floor and physically thrown from the bar.

    Maybe, if Aborigines learnt jujitsu and there were more of them, non-Aboriginal Australians would have fewer qualms about apologising?”


    I have NO IDEA what the dickhead is crapping on about, but, whatever it is, there has NEVER been a Jujitsu team in the Olympics EVER. Not from any country.

    The ONLY Martial arts at the Olympics are Judo and Tae Kwon Do.

    And, Tae Kwon Do doesn’t rate as far as Martial Arts are concerned. It was only include because of the Seoul Olympics.

    JUDO is the only Martial Art that rates as an Olympic sport because it is the ONLY Martial Art that has consistency in application and grading.

    What his comment has to do with Abos or the Myth of Stolen Generations is beyond comprehension.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 08:06 AM • permalink

  82. #74 My money is on Mari Alkatiri and Falintil.

    Posted by CB on 2008 02 11 at 08:06 AM • permalink

  83. “stepfather or the white grandfather”, not “of”.  The preview button rides again.

    Posted by Crossie on 2008 02 11 at 08:07 AM • permalink

  84. #81,

    shit!! here’s the “d” I forgot in “included”!!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 08:11 AM • permalink

  85. #77

    “O-man half-hearted?”

    Stack, very good.  Half-hearted, half a mind?

    Posted by Crossie on 2008 02 11 at 08:13 AM • permalink

  86. Is it just me or….

    Does anyone else think that when Julia Gargle speaks she sounds like she’s trying to push out a constipated pooh?

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 08:14 AM • permalink

  87. #82 Mari Alkatiri and Falintil, Fretilin and friends Green Left, funny as I remember both Gusmao and Horta were Fretilin. What happened while I was not watching.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:16 AM • permalink

  88. Reading Greg Sheridan link

    The big men of East Timorese politics need to convince their followers to contest politics through the parliament, the free media and the emerging national institutions. To do this, Australia will need to hold their hands for a long, long time.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:21 AM • permalink

  89. Also more at Ramos-Horta
    index and Ramos-Horta
    political

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:26 AM • permalink

  90. #86 or a plum she swallowed?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:30 AM • permalink

  91. #85 harebrained?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:33 AM • permalink

  92. #86 Kae. You’re being nice. Which is your way.

    The only real public competition she has for the worse squeezing of noises through the sinuses are the girls who do the sport on Fox on the weekend.

    And also, those who announce we’re about to take off on Jetstar and Virgin. I have to put my fingers in the ears for all of that.

    But Gillard, the nasal queen, is the worst, because of her potential influence.

    If she’s going to screw me I want her to speak using her vocal chords. It makes it less painful.

    But she’s way beyond that redemption so what you hear is what you get.

    Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 11 at 08:34 AM • permalink

  93. #88

    Stack, the handholding will have to take longer because we can no longer do what was done in Germany and Japan post WWII, ie use coercive power until you got the result you wanted.

    Posted by Crossie on 2008 02 11 at 08:34 AM • permalink

  94. How come KRudd is allowed to invade Timor? Where are the protests?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:36 AM • permalink

  95. #92 If it makes you feel any better, I once had a lecturer who sounds exactly like Julia Gillard.

    And I had to listen to her for three. hours. straight.

    I was not impressed.

    And one of my mates had this magical ability to fall asleep in her lectures. I don’t know how that was possible!

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 08:39 AM • permalink

  96. #86
    ... sounds like she’s trying to push out a constipated pooh ...

    Yeah - the Krudder ...

    Posted by egg_ on 2008 02 11 at 08:43 AM • permalink

  97. #93 Yes, Clay in West Germany was diplomatic but MacArthur, told the USSR to stay out of Japan. Of course HST fired Mac so sometimes you never can win.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:44 AM • permalink

  98. Krudd is curd which is the solid part of sour milk. JG is a sourpuss?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:50 AM • permalink

  99. #95 good night.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 08:54 AM • permalink

  100. #99 I wish I’d been that lucky, but I can’t sleep when I have shivers going up and down my spine and an incredible desire to hit someone.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 08:58 AM • permalink

  101. With regards to kevni’s big coming out party on Wednesday, as the death penalty is no longer considered acceptable by todays enlightened standards,
    will there be an apology to the Executed Generations?

    Posted by lotocoti on 2008 02 11 at 09:01 AM • permalink

  102. #95 Ash. Even worse if your lecturer was male.

    Get a blood sample from that guy who fell asleep. It might be worth millions.

    Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 11 at 10:27 AM • permalink

  103. #102 T’was a lady. And very creepy. The friend who fell asleep, well she was a bit odd herself.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 02 11 at 10:40 AM • permalink

  104. Surely the paper isn’t advocating that the children be ... stolen?

    Only the white ones.  Any decent person would respect their cultural imperatives and leave the brown ones to be raped and beaten to death by their parents.  I mean, Gawd, what part of that is hard to understand, you rightwing bastids?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 11 at 11:17 AM • permalink

  105. #81 Pogs, after a decade or so of taekwondo, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on its efficacy as a martial art.

    I’ve found it handy on a couple of occasions

    :)

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 11 at 05:21 PM • permalink

  106. #90
    Bigger.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 05:32 PM • permalink

  107. #92

    If she’s going to screw me* I want her to speak using her vocal chords. It makes it less painful**.

    *Pessimist.

    **Optimist.

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 05:34 PM • permalink

  108. #105 Nilk,

    The standard Tae Kwon Do practised by people all over the world, every day, is the good stuff.

    Competition Tae Kwon Do however is one of THE most boring and pointless examples of any Martial Art.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 06:08 PM • permalink

  109. There is a letter in today’s Border Mail in Albury from a bint named Leila O’Neill, of Lyon, France, who says an apology is overdue. Pointing out that she now lives in Europe, which is probably the real reason she wrote the letter, she alleges that whenever she tells Europeans she is from Australia, they say “Australia! I have heard it’s a very racist country and people treat the original inhabitants very badly.”

    If you accept that Leila isn’t fibbing, a lecture on race relations from anyone in Europe is a bit rich. Even France, where Leila is living now, has had very recent race riots because Arabs and Africans feel alienated, anyone who isn’t descended from the Charlemagne isn’t truly French (the left was quick to point out that Sarkozy’s dad was an inferior Hungarian) and Jews were handed to the Nazis for slaughter, thus capping off centuries of anti-semitism that had earlier surfaced during the Dreyfuss affair.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 02 11 at 06:19 PM • permalink

  110. 107 * hilarious

    Posted by mehaul on 2008 02 11 at 06:21 PM • permalink

  111. I now see that schoo;l children will be MADE to watch the apology on TV tomorrow.

    Last time the whole school system stopped to watch something on TV, it was something important, like the Apollo 11 Moon walk in 1969…..

    Posted by wanglese on 2008 02 11 at 06:30 PM • permalink

  112. #109
    And of cours Lila O’Numbnut doesn’t say that they have it wrong or anything. Nooooooooooo.

    Isnt’ that cultural cringe?

    As Australia is such a terrible place perhaps it’s good that she’s now living in Eurabia.
    See how she likes it in the future in the New Caliphate.

    #110
    Thanks Mehaul.

    #111.
    It’s a shocker, isn’t it, Wanglese!

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 11 at 06:51 PM • permalink

  113. Kae and Wanglese,

    my son is going to have the day off from school tomorrow.

    I will not allow him to be subjected to that sort of garbage.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 07:50 PM • permalink

  114. Maybe if Old Owlbrows (Imam of Canterbury) steps down, he can always get a job as this guy’s stand-in.

    Posted by cuckoo on 2008 02 11 at 07:50 PM • permalink

  115. At the University of Newcastle, this official email made the rounds this morning, with the subject line “celebration of national apology”:

    Dear Colleagues

    Tomorrow, Wednesday 13 February 2008, will be an important day for all
    Australians, Indigenous and non-Indigenous. The University of Newcastle
    supports this day of recognition of Stolen Generations and
    reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples.
    We invite all members of the University of Newcastle community to be
    part of the National Apology that will be delivered by the Prime
    Minister shortly after 9 am.

    In celebration of this important and long-awaited event, please join
    your friends and colleagues to watch the Apology and to share in a
    morning tea between 9 and 10 am.  The three locations are:

    Callaghan Campus: Bar on the Hil and Godfrey Tanner Bar, Shortland
    Union

    Ourimbah Campus: Board Room, Administration Building

    Kevin McConkey
    Deputy Vice-Chancellor (Academic)
    John Maynard
    Head, Wollotuka School
    of Aboriginal Studies

    I don’t plan on being there.

    Posted by EdwardM on 2008 02 11 at 08:03 PM • permalink

  116. #15

    And children will be FORCED to watch this disgraceful rubbish:

    PUBLIC schools have been ordered to fly the Aboriginal flag and stop lessons tomorrow while Prime Minister Kevin Rudd apologises to the [”]Stolen Generation[”].

    Education chiefs have also told students in the state’s 2240 government schools to watch a broadcast of the Ngunnawal People’s “Welcome to Country” ceremony at the opening of Federal Parliament today.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 02 11 at 08:11 PM • permalink

  117. Been away from radio TV, and Internet, all morning, I seemed to have missed the didgeridoo do.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 09:07 PM • permalink

  118. police.nsw.gov

    Youths in court after pursuit – Glebe
    After a short foot pursuit police arrested a 14-year-old Toongabbie male and a 15-year-old Georges Hall male.

    Stolen conveyance.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 11 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  119. My son is home from school early on Tuesdays.

    I told him he was having the day off tomorrow and why.

    He was astounded. There has been no hint of this at school today. Looks like the school was going to spring it on them tomorrow so the kids wouldn’t be able to get out of it.

    He’s emailed all his friends about it and told them to pass it on and encourage as many as possible to take the day off.

    He’s currently burning the phone line red hot to back up the email.

    The principal at this school is a rabid Warming alarmist and always goes with “Education Dept” line of propaganda.

    We can bet he has a massive pile of steaming breast beating and kowtowing planned for tomorrow.

    An amusing side note to this, the lefty Geography teacher asked her class if they knew what was important about tomorrow. No student could answer. When she pushed, one of the brighter students answered with “you won’t be here because it’s your day off!’.

    The class was in hysterics!

    She didn’t tell them. All part of the surprise for tomorrow.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 02 11 at 11:18 PM • permalink

  120. I’ve asked at Magilla’s school, and the teacher said that the kids won’t be watching it.

    I told her I was glad and then added that if, perchance, it does come about that the children are ‘given the opportunity’ to watch Kevni make a twat of himself, my daughter is not to watch it.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 11 at 11:47 PM • permalink

  121. Noel the nailgun

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 02 11 at 11:55 PM • permalink

  122. Well done, Pogs. :)

    We’ve got teachers striking here again on thursday, and my girl’s teacher is joining the action.

    They’re going for pay parity with the other states, I think, and this lady’s been teaching for 30 years. She also doesn’t like whole word theory, so I expect we’ll get along just fine.

    I’ve no objection to my girl having a day off every now and then for strikes because it’s one less day for the bureaucrats to get at her.

    /orwell off

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 11 at 11:55 PM • permalink

  123. The idea has taken hold that Whitey is an accursed species who has given nothing but pain to the other races - who, it hardly needs be said, lived before our coming in total harmony with Gaia and each other.

    It’s a load of crap.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 02 12 at 12:55 AM • permalink

  124. Sorry Explained

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 02 12 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  125. Pickles.

    Nice link, funnt how its not about money, but that link devotes its last section to the Canadian compo fund $5 billion (and rising I bet).
    Almost like they are hinting at something eh?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 02 12 at 04:19 AM • permalink

  126. Sky News Australia have put up a poll about watching Kevni say $orry.

    Over 70% say they are not watching it (at 2215hrs AEDT,) but I guarantee it will be skewed the other way when all the latte sippers get home from the trendy little wine bar, or get to use their boss’ bandwidth to multi vote when they arrive at their sheltered workshop  government funded job sometime tomorrow.

    Casa Pedro has an electronic media blackout until official sunset Wednesday so I don’t have to listen to holier than pontificating fuckwits either in government or media.

    And just to let anyone monitoring this site from the Liberal Party PR machine know my worthless opinion, here ‘tis:
    Brendan Nelson is a weak gutted yes man with a spine like a wet noodle. Piss off, you yuppie poonce, you are worse than useless, you are an embarrassment to your party’s former supporters.

    JWH has been gone three about months, and I miss him already.

    Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2008 02 12 at 07:26 AM • permalink

  127. #126, I’m still missing him, and my girl asks me why isn’t John Howard still in charge?

    *sigh*

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 12 at 08:15 AM • permalink

  128. It’s a Love In!

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 12 at 06:57 PM • permalink

  129. Heard on the radio talkback (Someone’s ABC of course…)

    Referral to Rudd’s “$orry” as a “Statesman-Like speech…”

    ARRGH! vomit.

    Didn’t they see him picking and eating his earwax? Don’t they hear

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 12 at 08:42 PM • permalink

  130. Don’t they hear what he says?

    Posted by kae on 2008 02 12 at 08:42 PM • permalink

  131. #35 - The birth defects are terrible.

    That’s not a bug.  That’s a feature.

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 02 12 at 09:21 PM • permalink

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