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From Peter Roebuck’s Saturday column:
Yes, India has its castes and colours. It is imperfect. But it has also had in recent years a Sikh president, a Muslim prime minister and a white, female, Catholic divorcee leading its main political party. Other nations should be as lucky.
A white, female, Catholic divorcee? Sonia Gandhi is Rajiv Gandhi’s widow, but has never been divorced. You’d think an apology would be due. But one day after publication, the Sydney Morning Herald version of Roebuck’s column was sneakily changed instead:
But it has also had in recent years a Sikh prime minister, a Muslim president and a white, female, Catholic widow leading its main political party.
Clearly caught out - blogger Street Car noticed the original error - Roebuck and his team have resorted to blatant tampering. Peter Roebuck must be sacked.
UPDATE. Alert reader RR emails: “There is another mistake in that very same sentence—two mistakes, in a way. In recent years India has had a Sikh Prime Minister and a Muslim President, not a Sikh Prez and Muslim PM as Roebuck has it. Manmohan Singh, the current PM, is Sikh. And A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, a Muslim, was President between 2002 and last year. He was actually India’s third Muslim president and well-loved mostly for his role as a scientist in developing India’s nukes program. Anyway, point is that Roebuck got three things wrong in a single sentence. He’s a repeat offender!”
Three things wrong in a single sentence? He’s another Chris Sheil!
I was truly glad to see Australia responding to all this ICC and Indian BS in the best possible fashion in the 20/20 game.
Oh sorry, I forgot we were supposed to loose to appease the Indians…
Peter Roebuck must be sacked. - Seconded.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 05 at 08:33 PM • permalinkWhat?
Spanky? Tampering?
Who would have thought? Facts are as treacherous as little boys, it would seem.
Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 02 05 at 08:33 PM • permalink“Other nations should be as lucky.”
What the hell does that mean? Why does that make them “lucky”? Number one, it’s not luck, and number two, I ask again, what the hell does that mean?
Notice he doesn’t say one word about the content of their character. Or what was good or decent about them as human beings. Or how they aided India in the betterment of its society and future. Instead, it’s simply a grab bag of identity politics. There was one from Column A and one from Column B, etc., etc. and that’s all that matters and is somehow a good in itself.
What has the world come to when a person’s character is irrelevant. That wobbling you feel is Martin Luther King Jr. spinning around in his grave.
So what does Roebuck say about the latest Indian to be fined for dissent? This makes their team easily the most fined over the last few years.
I’ll accept that anyone fouly abusing any other player ought to be sanctioned, if he shows the same courage to call on India to start themselves showing respect for the umpire’s decision.
And lastly, India are not the number 1 cricket superpower on the field - not by a long way in 1 dayers, and in Tests, not so much.
ps who coined “not so much” or “maybe not so much”?
India is a country now founded in English Common Law and Common Sense. No luck about it.
I’ve often wondered why they were so easy to become part of the British Empire. It wasn’t because they were out-numbered or cowardly or didn’t have an advanced civilization themselves. I figure that they figured it was better than the moghul one.
Just a thought thrown out into cyberspace.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 02 05 at 09:17 PM • permalink“Other nations should be as lucky.”
LOL. Yeah, every day I curse God because America isn’t just like India.
Not.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 05 at 09:29 PM • permalink#13, Dave;
“Other nations should be as lucky.”
LOL. Yeah, every day I curse God because
AmericaAustralia isn’t just like India.I bet we aint the only ones…
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 05 at 09:41 PM • permalink“I bet we aint the only ones…”
Yeah, no kidding. Probably because India is an overpopulated, impoverished, third world hellhole where a third of the people can’t even read and write, that still has a functioning caste system, and that engages in colorful customs like bride burning.
There’s something about being stacked up like sardines in a can, broke and illiterate that kind of cancels out the joy of having a Sikh president.
At least that’s how I see it.
OTOH, I guess their cricket team is reasonably well behaved.
Posted by Dave Surls on 2008 02 05 at 09:54 PM • permalinkThe cricket controversy continues to rage, does it? Very Swiftian, in some respects . . .
“Besides, our Histories of six thousand Moons make no mention of any other Regions, than the two great Empires of Lilliput and Blefuscu. Which two mighty Powers have, as I was going to tell you, been engaged in a most obstinate War for six and thirty Moons past. It began upon the following Occasion. It is allowed on all Hands, that the primitive way of breaking Eggs, before we eat them, was upon the larger End: But his present Majesty’s Grand-father, while he was a Boy, going to eat an Egg, and breaking it according to the ancient Practice, happened to cut one of his Fingers. Whereupon the Emperor his Father published an Edict, commanding all his Subjects, upon great Penaltys, to break the smaller End of their Eggs. The People so highly resented this Law, that our Histories tell us there have been six Rebellions raised on that account; wherein one Emperor lost his Life, and another his Crown. These civil Commotions were constantly fomented by the Monarchs of Blefuscu; and when they were quelled, the Exiles always fled for Refuge to that Empire. It is computed, that eleven thousand Persons have, at several times, suffered Death, rather than submit to break their Eggs at the smaller End. Many hundred large Volumes have been published upon this Controversy.”
Tim Blair’s Roebuck obsession goes on.
Here’s what Punter said about the reaction to the Sydney Test:
Ponting has told his team they’re to think twice before reacting to anything on the field, following the fall-out from the so-called Bollyline series.
While he insisted the criticism would not affect the way he captained Australia, he was now aware the public’s perception of his team’s image was far from the one he’d tried to mould.
“I’ve been shocked [by the backlash] because it has come from out of the blue,” Ponting told The Sun-Herald.
“It’s important for me that we’re also remembered for doing good things along the way, like helping kids [through charities] and the community and to make sure we’re doing the right thing by the game.
“We had an opposition captain question that a few weeks ago and it seemed to set off a chain reaction from people around Australia.
“If we can take anything constructive out of the last few weeks, we will. We’re not too good to cop criticism.”
Souunds like Punter has learned something about his own conduct that Tim Blair has not.
Shall I start a campaign to have Tim Blair sacked from his job every time he makes a small factual mistake? It could be a long campaign…
Other nations should be as lucky.
They are! Iraq once had a leader from the Sunni minority named Saddam and Germany once had an Austrian in power. Foreigners are way cool!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 05 at 10:11 PM • permalinkIt’s still divorcee in the Age.
Whatsup with the Fairfax ugly sisters?
Posted by Tony.T.Teacher on 2008 02 05 at 10:14 PM • permalinkJohn A’s obsession with defending Roebuck continues unabated… Just meet him at the Hellfire Club and get it over with paddle boy.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 05 at 10:17 PM • permalinkYes, India has its castes and colours. It is imperfect. But it has also had in recent years a Sikh president, a Muslim prime minister and a white, female, Catholic divorcee leading its main political party. Other nations should be as lucky.
Multiculti bullshit that fails to recognize those hordes of Indians leaving India for other countries, most notably in the West.
Apropos of nothing I outsourced the redevelopment of my two commercial websites to a small firm in Madras. Cost me under AUD $1,000 including new logo and took a week each. Brilliant.
Posted by walterplinge on 2008 02 05 at 10:45 PM • permalink#18, Sounds to me like Ricky has started to believe what he reads. Thats never a good thing, especially with the ‘tards who work in the Australian media.
With some notable exceptions of course.
Oh yeah, i know im way behind time here but its sad to see the bulletin go under.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 05 at 11:29 PM • permalinkjohn A, if you knew Tim better, you’d know that Tim admits when he makes a mistake by publishing the correction, but does not change the original mistake to hide it, and earns respect as a result.
Roebuck has never admitted to making a mistake (especially re that beating / show me your arse incident), is a hypocrit/e, is often wrong and often given to gross generalisations, contributed greatly to the Sydney reaction being all 1 way and glossed over anything the Indian players did (something his most recent article points out was done before against India and must not be repeated - heh!), and generally should stick to commentating the game and STFU about life, as he clearly is a clueless wombat.
You also have been soundly taken to task over your Sydney test views, and are now taking your wounded pride into the troll territory - so you can toddle off too.
cheers.
How disgusting! Really, every time you think they’ve gone as low as possible, they remind you that there is no such place.
Did he really suppose nobody would catch this? What did he imagine people would think? I guess if you have no pride, you can do anything.
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 12:29 AM • permalinkjohn a,
The issue isn’t the mistake, as bush league as it is. The issue is the cowardly, pathetic attempt to pretend it didn’t happen.
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 12:31 AM • permalinkre #28
Then blame the sub-editors at the SMH, after all isn’t that what they’re for?
re #26
if you knew Tim better, you’d know that Tim admits when he makes a mistake by publishing the correction, but does not change the original mistake to hide it, and earns respect as a result.Then why doesn’t Tim admit that Ponting actually made critical mistakes in his captaincy in the Sydney test which have overshadowed their good work elsewhere and jeopardized the good name of Australian cricket worldwide. Ponting gets it. Blair blames Roebuck for pointing it out rather than ever admitting that Ponting badly screwed up.
Instead of criticizing Roebuck for expressing his opinion which is rather more attuned with cricket than Tim’s, he calls for Roebuck to be sacked on every occasion. If someone has changed the mistake without admitting it then complain to SMH’s chief editor, not Peter Roebuck. I’m willing to bet good money that Roebuck was closer to the real opinion of Cricket Australia than Tim Blair and I think Ponting has learned his lesson because he’s a bigger man about it.
Had Ponting simply shrugged it off and done the same thing in Perth then I’m sure that CA would have fired him from the captaincy because Ponting would have endangered the financial position of CA with a threatened walkout. Ponting didn’t do that, to his credit.
We get this same thing with Dick Smith for expressing his opinion - instead if simply rounding on Dick Smith for his view of David Hicks, Tim calls for a boycott of Dick Smith’s businesses. Why should the people who work for Dick Smith have to bear the brunt of such a boycott because their former leader expressed his opinion? What did they do to deserve it?
Tim Blair clearly has a problem with freedom of speech when that speech isn’t about the things that Tim Blair thinks should be true. Should we shamelessly follow the line of thinking and boycott the Daily Telegraph for every factual error that isn’t immediately apologized for on page 1 in banner headlines?
On top of Roebuck’s errors, there is the redundant “female widow”. Tautology is not normally a sin for a sports writer but Roebuck does like to show off his Cambridge education too much.
I’m sure his English master at his old public school, Millfield, would have stopped the young Roebuck from playing in the school XI had he used such a term in an essay. Maybe if he had it might have saved the English XI the embarrassment of being defeated by the Netherlands.
Had Ponting simply shrugged it off and done the same thing in Perth then I’m sure that CA would have fired him from the captaincy because Ponting would have endangered the financial position of CA with a threatened walkout. Ponting didn’t do that, to his credit. /i]
Do you also believe that if you plant a feather a chicken will grow? You are the first cricket troll I have ever encountered - Bravo!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 06 at 01:58 AM • permalinkWho the f..k is this john A person? I read and post on this site because it’s the closest I’ll get to being in a monty python movie (since they’re all now dead; or was that fat); it also gets me away from bastards like sammer and accusations of islamophobia; which is not true; my attitude towards muslims is very balanced; I despise them all; only the other night I dreamt about a woman in a burqa; I lifted her hem and underneath was a plate of steaming haggis; and I’m not even bloody Irish! How balanced is that? Anyway, if I wanted reality, I’d go to my bail hearings.
#29, why doesn’t Tim admit that Ponting actually made critical mistakes in his captaincy in the Sydney test Critical mistakes? Like what, we won didn’t we?
“CA would have fired him from the captaincy because Ponting would have endangered the financial position of CA with a threatened walkout.” Oh so its ok when the Indians do it, but if the Australian captain does it he should be sacked?
“Why should the people who work for Dick Smith have to bear the brunt of such a boycott because their former leader expressed his opinion?” Its called free market economics. If your boss is an arsehole, quit.
If I were you I’d check my cinch and stirrups real good, coz its a long fucking way down from that horse of yours mate…
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 02:12 AM • permalink[ Thats for Tiger next time he’s using italics :P
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 02:16 AM • permalinkSonia Gandhi is President (or Chairman or whatever) of the Congress Party, just as Chris McDiven, whoever she might be, is President of the Liberal Party of Australia and Carmen Lawrence, God help us, was President of the Australian Labor Party.
i.e. Sonia Gandhi is ‘leader’ of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s party.
Over 3000 posts and that’s my first spillage. Although I once had a post del;eted for being too disgusting.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 06 at 02:24 AM • permalinkre #28
Then blame the sub-editors at the SMH, after all isn’t that what they’re for?
So on your planet, “sub-editors” are for rewriting previous days’ stories to conceal errors. Well, here on Earth, things are a little different. It appears your alien masters didn’t brief you thoroughly enough.
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 02:29 AM • permalink#39, Pickles, The only Aussie I’ve ever met named Bruce is the gayest human I’ve ever laid eyes on. He makes the queer eye guys look positively butch.
Fortunately he knew what i was on about when I asked him if he’d seen that sketch.
“He’s welcome to teach any of the great socialist thinkers, provided he makes it clear that they were wrong.”
And so it should be.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 02:34 AM • permalinkJohn A., as you seem unfamiliar with life here on Earth, if a blogger commits an error of fact, he/she is obliged to acknowledge and correct the error.
If he/she simply sneaks into the Secret Blogging Room late at night and rewrites the post to conceal their error, they are considered to be assholes, pathetically stupid, and unreliable.
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 02:38 AM • permalinkSorry Fairfax, sorry Rudd.
Who’s sorry now, who’s sorry now? Whose heart is aching for breaking each vow? Who’s sad and blue, who’s crying too? Just like I cried over you…
Who’s Sorry Now?” music written by Ted Snyder and lyrics by Bert Kalmar and Harry Ruby. It was published in 1923.
How did they know in 1923?
Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 02 06 at 02:47 AM • permalink#48 - Beleive it or not, it contained no reference to Margo, Phil and a tube of grease either.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2008 02 06 at 03:02 AM • permalinkHey just coz im a card carrying bogan doesn’t mean i dont know or have never worked with gay people. I just dont hang around with them after work….
Oh yeah; considering the catholic churches views on divorce, Roebuck may as well have slapped Ghandi in the face.
If that isnt deserving of an apology, perhaps John A’s parents need a good swift kick in the arse.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2008 02 06 at 03:13 AM • permalinkWay OT, but I figured people were over the Jihad Sheila’s thread.
Anyway, here it is on you tube in 7 parts for our unskippy friends and those who missed it last night.
It was much better than I expected.
Back to the topic… exactly what relationship does John A have with Spanky? (I just love that name lol)
Could John A perhaps be Spanky’s sockpuppet here in Blairistan?
Something else to think about….
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 06 at 03:28 AM • permalink#26 Peter m, what do you have against clueless wombats?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 06 at 04:09 AM • permalinkJohn A. I don’t know if you’re generation abc, or x,y,z. But you’re the one I don’t like. You’ve been pampered and protected. And you know duck shit about cricket. If you’ve played, I can’t imagine any Australian competition at any level that would produce someone like you. Maybe you coach a women’s team because they don’t see you as a threat.
And the other reason you shit me is because I promised myself this morning, that all my blogs today would be nice.
While you’re all giving John’s Arse a deserved dressing down! oops, pardon me!!!, what about the commenter that rabbited on about Symonds wearing zinc cream on his lips, and being a darkie, WTF did he expect!!!
Did anyone notice if the Indians called the Sri Lankan player with the “bleached dreadlocks and ZINC CREAM on his lips” a Monkey????
Especially after he bowled a few of the scummy bastards????
mmm, I thought not.nilk, 52 - just a colloquiall turn of phrase - I did think I’d be pulled up on it by the protect all creatures org, and was going to say “obviously this is not meant to be taken literally - there is nothing wrong with being a wombat if that’s your lot in life”, so anyway, I’ll pick on the ostriches next time.
the sri’s weren’t abused because the Indians need their support on the ICC
racists!
#56 Peter M I was being facetious lol. It’s sad that we have to use tags for everything these days, innit.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2008 02 06 at 06:12 AM • permalink#60 Murph. That would place the missing puzzle piece. I once played under a pommie captain. His idea of an attacking field was to place everyone in defensive positions - expecting defeat. He had no idea of setting an attacking field and asking the bowler to bowl to it.
I actually think John A is a female. Maybe a pommie chick with an arts degree. Or Roebuck’s love child with a social worker. The peramb’s are endless. Bugger, I promised myself I’d be nice today.
#17 Paco, you have exceeded my patience. I am going to retaliate. I like US baseball, but it is so much a monopoly that it cannot find any nation to play with - any whose players it hasn’t drugged and pinched, or just drugged..
So, could you give us a Swiftian piece about the US playing with itself in its own ‘World Series’?
I could say much the same for American Football, which disports itself so curiously that it perfectly deserves the metaphor an Australian poet Clive James invented to describe Arnie Schwarzanegger - a condom full of walnuts.The arcane mysteries of international cricket are much to be preferred to either of these over-muscular spectacles of Yankee invention…
John A - the problem is that Roebuck panned Australia’s conduct while ignoring the deplorable behaviour of the Indians, especially the disgusting threat to pull out of the tour if they didn’t get their way at the appeal hearing and the improbable “maa ki” defence. The latest column that somehow India is blessed because of the characteristics of various Prime Ministers is just more mindless PC rubbish. Roebuck never played test cricket because he is too strange a person and he is just as strange a writer.
PS please change your christian name as you are embarrassing us other Johns.
#62 Barrie, FYI the US and Canada can compete in the World Series. You seem to be complaining that it is called the World Series and also that the US poaches players from around the World.
About Clive James and his condom full of nuts : someone should tell him he’s doing it wrong.
Posted by Col. Milquetoast on 2008 02 06 at 07:50 AM • permalink#61 Mehaul commented that he thought that John A was a female. Well I cut and pasted one of his entries into the Gender Genie, and guess what:
Female Score: 434
Male Score: 260The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!
Barrie #62…. Point taken…..But:
Abner Doubleday’s claims to the contrary, twas the brits invented baseball. I believe they call it something strange like “rounders”. All the Americans did was popularize it and export it around the world.
I would spend a few more lines defending paco but if memory serves he’s a Detroit Tigers fan.So your on your own, pal.
Kidding , y’allAnybody who feels the term World Series is an arrogant symbol of American self-importance is mistaken. From Wikipedia, the origin of the term:
The title of this championship may be confusing to some readers from countries where baseball is not a major sport (or even where it is), because the “World” Series is confined to the champions of two baseball leagues that currently operate only in the United States and Canada.
The explanation is that when the term “World’s Championship Series” was first used in the 1880s, baseball at a highly-skilled level was almost exclusively confined to North America, especially the United States. Thus it was understood that the winner of the major league championship was the best baseball team in the world. The title of this event was soon shortened to “World’s Series” and later to “World Series”.
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 01:50 PM • permalinksorry, that link should be:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series
Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 02 06 at 01:54 PM • permalink#6
““Kill! Kill! Kill!”
—Full Metal Jacket
Also: Alice’s Resturaunt”
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Thrill! Thrill! Thrill!
Make a scene!
Knock off a dean!
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Bump off a square!
That’s what it’s about!
Hate is in!
Love is out!
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!-The Sacred Cows, appearing on the Groovy Guru radio program, an affiliation of KAOS Enterprises.
Posted by MikeTheLibrarian on 2008 02 06 at 04:35 PM • permalink#71
Well, sorta. The British form of rounders is quite different than baseball. Now the IRISH form of the game, under GAA rules, is very much like baseball.
Posted by MikeTheLibrarian on 2008 02 06 at 04:46 PM • permalink#73 Precisely, Mambo. But when was the ‘world’ ever confined to one continent? For many decades since 1870 the ancient game of cricket was contested in ‘tests’ only between Britain and Australia on alternate continents, but we never presumed to label it a ‘world series’ even though it would have been more appropriate.
I am a Cubs fan, so any attack on the world series is appropriate.
#69 Burbank. Thanks for the link to the interesting Gender Genie site.
I just tested it with the first paragaphs from Farewell the Trumpets (James Morris) and Wales, epic Views of a Small Country (Jan Morris).
Results for James: Female 114, Male 46; Genie thinks James is female.
Results for Jan: Female 39, Male 141; Genie thinks Jan is male.
Who’s confused — James-Jan or the Genie?“...Bollyline series.”
Bollywhine, I believe.
Normally I take no especial interest in cricket. ‘Tis a sad day when the outfall* of such nudnikery reaches even to my little corner of the world.
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*I like this better than fallout.Posted by carpefraise on 2008 02 07 at 01:44 AM • permalink
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