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P.P. McGuinness on Alan Ramsey’s shocking laziness:
Once upon a time, to check back through clippings and other sources was quite a laborious process. Thanks to the internet, and in particular the wonderful search engine Google, this is now pretty easy. It is inexcusable for a journalist with the extraordinary resources now available not to, if he or she is relying on a source, check on the reliability of that source …
If [Ramsey] is to continue as a contributor, he needs a good editor and a wily, internet-literate sub-editor who is not impressed by his bluster.
Nah. Easier to fire him.
But if you use that standard, that is firing journalists who don’t perform good journalism, you would have to terminate not just Ramsey but Margo, Carlton, and a whole slew of others.
Then what would this web site look like? I’ll tell you. Boring.
Posted by wronwright on 2005 03 10 at 10:11 PM • permalinkPaddy knows all about being lazy.
He says Iron Mark was in the Whitlam line however unfortunately for him the one man who campaigned on increasing the size of Government and its power was John Howard. That’s why socialists like timbo supported him.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 10 at 10:21 PM • permalinkI think it’s fair to say both parties campaigned on increasing the size of government. If not, what was Medicare Gold?
The points of distinction came on social issues (explicitly or otherwise), foreign policy, and the temperament necessary to be a leader. That’s why most conservatives (along with 53% of the country) ran a mile when they saw Latham.
Posted by Grand Old Elephant on 2005 03 10 at 10:46 PM • permalinkgOE that is a common mistake to make and indeed I made when I firsdt heard the policy however one had to bear in mind:
1) old paople now in hospital were to be put into homes where they should be
2) most elderly patients on waiting lists would have their treatment done in private hospitals thus assiting boththe private and public sytem.
The main cost driver of the health system is prescription drugs not hospitals.Also on foreign policy Iron Mark was very close to the Cato institute is his outlook.
In Australian terms think of Owen Harries.
you know the right wing critics of Bush that somehow never find their way into this blog.
I forgot Lord Paddy said some time ago Menzies was the best PM in terms of economics after lambasting Barton and Deacon as protectionists.The only problem is that at least they had the infant industry argument poor old ming didn’t even have that as the Vernon Report showed.
In other words Paddy’s best PM was an untimate protectionist.Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 10 at 11:43 PM • permalinkGary, think carefully of what Lord Paddy said about Don’t call me Al and then very carefully about the assertions he made.
you’ll get there yet.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 10 at 11:52 PM • permalinkHomer, learn to t0827354ype!!!
Posted by Karl Fidel Adams-Kingston on 2005 03 11 at 12:05 AM • permalinkI do find it ironic that a person who is as lazy as Lord Paddy has the gall to call anyone else lazy.
I find it perplexing that Don’t call me al runs a line that is incorrect. The SMH ccorrects this the next day and is criticised for this.
It should be held up as a template for other newspapers.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 11 at 01:01 AM • permalinkGary,
If you have material that shows I’m lazy then blast away.
Few papers correct the next day.
I don’t remember Lord Paddy or Timbo saying the Melbourne newspaper who ran the story on the Greens without any basis in fact should apologise or even correct.This needn’t have happened as most of their policies are mad.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 11 at 01:23 AM • permalinkI know Homer this is what you set out to do. Shift the topic onto something else because you don’t like the point it’s making. You also no what I’m talking about in regards to lazy research because it’s what you drop to derail the thread for the same reason. For someone who hasn’t the slightest interest in supporting your arguments with “material” indeed thinking that your word is ordained IS IRONIC for you to insist from others.
i just had a scary thought - i just MAY have more of a grasp on current affairs than alan ramses… be afraid people!
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 11 at 02:08 AM • permalinkPersonally I would like to see Alan Ramsey’s head on a platter. How come the Yanks get to have all the fun? Rather, Easson etc etc when do we Aussies get to see some boviator blood in the streets of Hilmerville?
While I’m at it why wasn’t Andrea appointed to the Board of the ABC along with that super spunk Janet Albrechtson? I want retribution, justice and entertainment and I want it now!!!! Ramsey went putrid years ago. Why wasn’t he called to account then?Gubbaboy ,
you desperately need an eye examination if you think young Janet is a super-spunk.Without a doubt the only SS in Newspapes is Julia Baird. A pity she is a dreadful writer.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 11 at 03:57 AM • permalinkI grant you Homer my eyesight isn’t what it used to be in my prime and although I hold you in the highest regard as an insightful truthful writer I must disagree. JA in her Brontesque, beachy surfchick way is the ultimate power spunk, excepting Condaleesa Rice in black boots.
Stop it I’m tormenting myself.Why does’t McGuinness fire Neil McDonakd for making EXACTLT THE SAME allegations in Quadrnat, WHICH HE EDITS?
Posted by Susan Norton on 2005 03 11 at 06:39 AM • permalinkSorry, I’m a bit pissed. This should read:
Why doesn’t McGuinness fire Neil McDonald for making EXACTLY THE SAME allegations as Easton Jordan, which he quotes, of US troops killing journalists, in Quadrant WHICH HE EDITS?
Posted by Susan Norton on 2005 03 11 at 06:44 AM • permalinknb McDonald’s disgusting allegations are made in the July-August 2003 issue of Quadrant. McGuinnness published them.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2005 03 11 at 06:48 AM • permalinkMy own subject relates not to super spunks or alleged super spunks - as I have a living to earn, I lack the leisure to pontificate on such matters - nor yet to the antics of Alan Ramsay, who’s probably a fool at least as much as a knave. Rather, what concerns me is P.P. McGuinness’ decision to publish in the March 2005 Quadrant a notorious and unrepentant Melbourne-Adelaide neo-Nazi, Michael Brander.
By “neo-Nazi” I don’t mean “critic of Israel” or “opponent of Bush in Iraq”. I mean neo-Nazi, as in street-fighting yahoo.
Alas, I know Brander somewhat, and can testify from experience that everything said on the Net (and there’s plenty) about his background is true. But you’ve no need to take my word for it. For just a few of the sharp-Left and sharp-Right sites where Brander’s skinhead gangsterism is chronicled (including his rap sheet for violence), look here:
http://members.tripod.com/~no_nazis/stopem.htm
http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2003-4/australia.htm
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:tnJTCxnOgOoJ:www.fsvonline.org/docs/deflaw.pdf+“Michael+Brander”+++disease&hl=en&client=safari
http://www.alor.org/Volume33/Vol33No2.htmBrander’s criminal conviction was for using a flagpole to assault an opponent in an Adelaide brawl. Whether this flagpole-aided assault consisted of attempted battering or of attempted sodomising is left by all these websites in what Gibbon called “decent obscurity”.
I notified Mr McGuinness - via a courteous, if necessarily somewhat astringent, E-mail - of this readily accessible Internet information regarding Brander. And I expressed my regret that Brander, with his continuing history of mayhem, should now have been taken to Quadrant‘s bosom. Thus far I’ve received no response from Mr McGuinness, although it’s March 11 already.
Perhaps others will succeed where I’ve demonstrably failed.
I looked stage left and squinted. The kleig lights were bouncing of the bush hat of Yobbo Blair, the maniacal Australian media hit man. His well-worn boomerang bore a notch for each of his media career-kills, and word on the street was that he fact-checked news articles… just for the sadistic “fun.”
See iowahawk
RJ Stove, You seem to have an axe to grind regarding Michael Brander and by extension you think that Paddy Mc Guiness is in greater error for publishing him than Ramsey is for not checking his facts.
It would’ve been helpful if you linked to the article in question in Quadrent instead of the links provided that had little or no reference to this man.
The point of this post is that Ramsey and now Carlton are lazy and/or deceitful. It’s not about denying their right to go on with their trash talking.So by your logic only the politically correct should be given a say? And those who give the Philistines a platform are to be condemned?
Would you have shut down Pauline Hanson? What about Habib? Should 60 minutes let him say his piece? You are what infuriates me about the left, you assume to be my intellectual gatekeeper. You pretentious prick. March 12 and Paddy has more important stuff to do than repond to you, how will you cope?
To bad you don’t have time to do a bit of political babe watching, then again I’ve seen Hillary in a skirt so I understand your lack of interest.
Being charged with political correctness has at least the merit of novelty in my case.
Had “gubbaboy” bothered to do a simple Google search before accusing me of being an “intellectual gatekeeper” and a “pretentious prick”, he (I presume “gubbaboy” is indeed a boy) would’ve found out that I’ve publicly defended Pauline Hanson’s right to be heard and to stay out of jail. I’ve publicly championed Solzhenitsyn too, not to mention half a dozen great anti-Communist figures. So no, I am not in favour of confining speech to the PC.
The Quadrant website’s way out of date; thus, Brander’s article (which is harmless enough in itself) isn’t on there. Therefore no-one can include a link to it. Another fact simple enough to discover through a modicum of online research.
But I suppose anyone who identifies himself merely as “gubbaboy” and compares complete strangers to parts of the male anatomy can’t be trusted to undertake any tasks more intellectually strenuous than defacing lavatory walls.
Incidentally I did get a response from McGuinness after leaving my last post. He had never heard of Brander. Every Melbourne Jew has heard of Brander, believe me.
Please RJ Stove stick to the point. Ramsey was basing his story on a lie, one that had been uncovered and apologized for weeks ago. What has that got to do with Brander?
Oh, and your links are still crap and don’t prove your attempted smear.
So glad Paddy replied. You must be feeling chuffed now.
Out of curiosity how did you defend Pauline Hanson?gubbaboy, the SMH corrected the story the NEXT day.
The penguin at the Daily Terror rarely does that and the Sun Pictorial ran a series of stories on Green policies that was completely bereft of facts by the Press Council. Hence those mad people get sympathy because of incompetence and laziness personified.That’s where your outrage should be targetted.
You and the rest want to continue to criticise the SMH when they have shown best practice.
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 11 at 11:41 PM • permalinkhomie old sport. your post doesnt make sense. maybe get a family member or friend to write for you in future? cheers.r/
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 11 at 11:51 PM • permalinksoory roscoe it does need an understanding of the English Language?
Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 11 at 11:54 PM • permalinkGood for timbo.
The point is that they CORRECTED it.Tell me one newspaper who puts corrections where the mistake was made.
I do notice you were mute concerning the Sun Pictorial.
That was different I guess that story was merely invented.Posted by Homer Paxton on 2005 03 12 at 02:25 AM • permalinkhomie, my name is ROSCEO not ROSCOE. do you have a problem reading? centrelink have remedial spelling/reading and com-pre-hen-shun classes if you could be arsed to go down there and check it out. ‘soory’ you later old boy…
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 03 12 at 03:42 AM • permalinkIf Gubbaboy (quite the orator, isn’t he? Last time it was “prick”, this time it’s “crap”) could be bothered (a) properly reading the links which I cited, and (b) supplementing these links with a basic Google search to do with his queries, he would have answers to all the questions that he’s asked.
(Incidentally I don’t see how referring to a convicted thug’s abundantly publicised criminal record constitutes a “smear”. Nor do I see how anything I’ve said defends Alan R.)
To sum up, we have a situation where:
(1) Michael Brander, a neo-Nazi yahoo, is now considered a fit and proper person to appear in Quadrant. (And who’s paying for the production of Quadrant? We are! Yep, Q is subsidised by taxpayers’ money.)
(2) Gubbaboy detects nothing morally wrong with (1).
Does Tim Blair, I wonder? It’d be interesting to hear his views on the topic.
48 hours ago I’d never even looked up this site. If Gubbaboy’s typical, I hope never to see this site again. Give me Lord of the Flies any day. End of my 10c worth.
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I suggest letting him keep his job but just cane him through the street ebery time he gets caught like this again. Knowing Ramsey’s work, that’s a gift that will just keep on giving…