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BLOOD FOR NO OIL

Oil causes war, right? Yet lack of oil will apparently cause the same thing:

World oil production has already peaked and will fall by half as soon as 2030, according to a report which also warns that extreme shortages of fossil fuels will lead to wars and social breakdown.

By contrast, a massive abundance of oil has always kept the Middle East real peaceful.

Posted by Tim B. on 10/22/2007 at 11:49 AM
  1. I suppose the next war will be over corn-based ethanol.  No blood for corn!  Hey, maybe we really will be fighting hordes of Presbyterians from the Midwest.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 10 22 at 12:12 PM • permalink

  2. Hippie dimwit: “No Blood for Oil!”

    Reality: “Blood for No Oil!”

    Posted by Merlin on 2007 10 22 at 12:16 PM • permalink

  3. And prior to the 20th century, when oil use skyrocketed, the Middle East was a veritable paradise.

    Posted by Retread on 2007 10 22 at 12:21 PM • permalink

  4. "Corn-based ethanol” is just another way of saying “whiskey”, Rebecca.  Which means that history does indeed repeat itself.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 10 22 at 12:32 PM • permalink

  5. #4, Oh, good point, Jeff.  Actually, whiskey is a better use than car-juice anyway, and the battles would only last until closing time.  Even the anti-war crowd would be on board for a war like that, because I really can’t see a “Breasts Not Cobs” protest.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 10 22 at 01:59 PM • permalink

  6. Considering how OPEC’s very existence is for the manipulation of oil prices and production, I find bold pronouncements of “oil production has peaked!!!” more than a little bit dubious.

    Posted by Spiny Norman on 2007 10 22 at 02:30 PM • permalink

  7. Re #5, “Breasts not Cobs” does strike me as counterproductive.  But we’d have to be on the guard for “whiskey goggles”.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 10 22 at 02:55 PM • permalink

  8. Let’s get ‘peak oil’ concepts into the average home, so nuclear power can be discussed rationally as alternative options.

    Posted by CB on 2007 10 22 at 04:06 PM • permalink

  9. #5 & 7
    If the breasts continue I reckon you’d be praying for the whiskey goggles.

    Or beer goggles.

    Or anything to blur the painful sight.

    Posted by kae on 2007 10 22 at 06:00 PM • permalink

  10. #8 Nuclear energy is not a replacement for fossil fuel derived energy.  Also Nuclear energy itself is derived from a fossil fuel and is far less abundant then crude.

    Nuclear energy is however far more useful then a field full of wind turbines or expensive solar cell arrays and Nuclear options should be explored if you want to be able to keep the lights on in the medium term.

    As for solar, I was looking on Ebay recently, you can buy a Mitsubishi solar array capable of putting out 600W of power for $5,300.  That might power your fridge and a electric fan.  If you wants lights, leave the fridge door open.  In contrast, you can buy a 15KVA diesel generator for $5,000 that would power an entire house with some to spare.  Which shows how stupid it is to think that wind turbine farms or hampster powered generators are realistic alternatives.

    Oil isn’t going to run out anytime soon, it will simply become increasingly expensive to extract and refine. It also means that everything that is derived from or relies on oil will also become increasingly expensive, this how the average consumer will experience “peak oil”.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 10 22 at 08:34 PM • permalink

  11. #10

    Also Nuclear energy itself is derived from a fossil fuel

    Huh?

    Posted by kae on 2007 10 22 at 08:39 PM • permalink

  12. heh, Uranium is not a fossil fuel but is a non-renewable resource.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 10 22 at 08:44 PM • permalink

  13. #12
    I was wondering how that little ‘factoid’ had passed me by.

    Posted by kae on 2007 10 22 at 08:47 PM • permalink

  14. #13, it didn’t pass you by, it passed me by :)

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 10 22 at 08:51 PM • permalink

  15. Uranium is not a fossil fuel but is a non-renewable resource.

    Well, that’s sort of true, but it’s incredibly plentiful (if sparsely distributed except for a few places like Australia), there’s a MASSIVE amount of energy per weight, and it can be recycled. A nuclear reactor only burns a few % (maybe even less than that) before the fuel is “spent”. Even better, a breeder reactor can not only reclaim the fuel, it can even transmute depleted uranium into plutonium which can be mixed in with uranium and used as fuel!

    So I don’t think we’re going to run out of nuclear material any time soon. Plus we have lots. So we might as well use it, and save the coal for making synthetic liquid fuels if oil becomes more expensive.

    Posted by Nicholas on 2007 10 22 at 09:53 PM • permalink

  16. #15 I presume you mean the coal that hasn’t been sent to China yet. :)

    As I understand it, natural gas is required for liquefying coal which represents a problem as gas starts to become scarce.

    Another source of fuel for motor vehicles is wood gas.  It’s an old technology that was popular in Europe during the war but engines will run on it.

    Posted by darrinhV2 on 2007 10 22 at 10:06 PM • permalink

  17. I saw this documentary (in the style of Michael Moore and Al Gore) about what happens after we run out of oil, and it wasn’t pretty.

    I forget the name, but the head researcher was a Lord Humongous.

    Posted by Veeshir on 2007 10 23 at 12:54 PM • permalink

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