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The Australian’s Rebecca Weisser:
By the time Saddam Hussein’s thugs were through with him, Hussein Khoshnow’s fingers had been crushed, his legs broken and there was a gash on his right cheek stretching almost from his nose to his jaw.
Mr Khoshnow, a Kurd who fled Iraq in 1991 and now edits an Arabic newspaper in Sydney, was photographed by his torturers with his head bandaged and wearing a torn shirt drenched in blood.
He was only 16.
But a direct appeal by Mr Khoshnow to Kim Beazley last week, urging him to commit to staying the course of the war in Iraq, left the federal Labor leader unmoved.
Mr Beazley told him it was time for the Iraqis to work things through for themselves.
Were it up to Beazley, Saddam Hussein’s goons would still be working through people like Khoshnow.
(Via Currency Lad)
I am in favour of being in East Timor too but given they have had longer to get their ship in order why the double standard? And you Solomon Islanders pull your fingers out quick smart ‘cause I reckon you’ve used up a good year or your evidently 3 year allowable quota of support.
Posted by the nailgun on 2006 10 30 at 02:50 AM • permalinkNow, if she was a union rep he would move heaven, earth and maybe even his third lunch time to help.
Posted by curious george on 2006 10 30 at 03:59 AM • permalinkBeazley’s one and only move of any significance was the move he made from Swan to Fremantle to get himself a safer seat.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 10 30 at 04:34 AM • permalinkCue “NO seat is safe under Kim Beazley!” jokes…
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 10 30 at 04:36 AM • permalink#7 Swan to Brand, Swinish. Carmen “I can’t recall” Lawrence is in Freo.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 10 30 at 04:42 AM • permalinkAs you say, Infidel. I must have a mental block about… what’s her name?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 10 30 at 04:46 AM • permalinkChippy, by my reading the hiding was at least 15 years ago, unless he’s been copping a caning in recent times.
Not seen the picture, so couldn’t say otherwise, though.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 30 at 05:20 AM • permalinkAnyone have weaselys email address so I can send him this?
Ps: can someone confirm the video links work, Im currently unable to view through a work firewall.
(Warning EXTREMELY vile and graphic videos of Sadams thugs in action on this site)Of course only being video footage as opposed to reuters, Fisk or even lowenstein reliability it may not sway him. Incidentally no panties on heads so it may not be deemed bad enough for waddlebutt to condemn.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 30 at 05:25 AM • permalinkYes that should have read “had been on the wrong end of a hiding”.
I read the paper today at work and there were two photo’s. One after he had allegedly been flogged, taken by his torturers IIRC and another contemporary photo.
Regarding the “tortured” photo: Firstly, how come the Iraqi torturers are handing out happy snaps and how did he get it? Secondly there are bags of bandages and bloody clothes which are potentially props, but not the swelling (broken jaw) you would associate with the shoeing he describes.
I sniff an element of wrongness.
#14
An element of wrongness ?
It the standard neo-con job. Wheel out a well-to-do exile who’s willing to cry how not staying the course will condemn his ex-countrymen to death.
Never mind that this chubby dude got picked up by the Bat’th thugs during the “good times” when the U.S.A was still providing all the cash and VHS porn tiles that they could truck over.
This “news item” is a typical and pathetic stunt that is so transparent only a “Howard battler” would buy it. The flacks who set this up are probably still wondering why they don’t get more gigs like this one.
Great family photo though. But the guys an editor......so of course he believes whatever he’s told !!
Posted by sticksandstones on 2006 10 30 at 06:42 AM • permalinkI’ll let you guys take care of chippy and sticksandstones. You haven’t had any trolls to play with for a while. Have fun!
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 10 30 at 06:48 AM • permalinkHe was tortured by Saddam’s thugs? Ohh… heavens but its NOTHING compared to Whitlam’s dismisal - now that was the crime of the century!!!! lol.
Ever since I was in high school- I couldn’t get why my leftie teachers kept on harping on and on about Whitlam’s dismissal. I mean wtf was Kerr suppose to do? Frankly, the only way around the problem is to eliminate the Senate’s role. Hey!!! That might be a great way to reduce the power of the Greens, Labor and other wankers in the Senate!!
Posted by Wylie Wilde on 2006 10 30 at 07:06 AM • permalinkNo trolling involved.
I don’t dispute for a minute that the Kurds really suffered under Saddam. I am not suggesting that Mr Khoshnow was not tortured. I believe that Gough was a copper bottomed, ocean going goose. All of which has nothing to do with the point that I raised.
My point is, that if the photo I saw in the paper today is used as supporting evidence for torture then I am extremely sceptical. It is “THE PHOTO” I have an issue with
16. Check out the videos at the link at 13 you silly little fool. then come back and try some moral equivellance.
I think youll find most items in the Iraqi military dont tend to be American issue. And you might also find that handing over money for goods (oil in this case) is still going on today.
Its a vital commodity, or do you think Chavez is a CIA plant as well?
Nob gobbling, snot sucking, mewling, puking, self abusing troll.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 30 at 07:41 AM • permalinkIf beazley gets elected next time around, (assuming the actu, woops, alp doesn’t self destruct in the mean time), he will be able to go to Bagdad, pull out the diggers and come back to Aus and declare “peace in our time”. What a quitter, leaders lead, cowards run and hide.
Posted by surfmaster on 2006 10 30 at 07:59 AM • permalink#20.
No. I don’t dispute for a minute that the Kurds really suffered under Saddam. I am not suggesting that Mr Khoshnow was not tortured.
I am suggesting that if he was picked up today in Iraq he would be most likely tortured or killed by Iraqi goons.
Plus the added bonus of possibly being tortured, killed or stripped naked and have his photo taken by smiling Coalition goons, not for any practical purpose that murph points out, other than to have a laugh.
Posted by sticksandstones on 2006 10 30 at 08:01 AM • permalink#31, so what would you have done about Saddam and his murdering, torturing, raping cronies? Real world solutions please.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2006 10 30 at 08:19 AM • permalink"during the “good times” when the U.S.A was still providing all the cash and VHS porn tiles that they could truck over"
sticksandstones, I haven’t come across you as a troll, so let me give you the benefit of the doubt and provide a proper reponse to this. You are clearly of the impression that the US was a major supporter of Iraq before the first Iraq war. It wasn’t
The base data behind that nice bar chart is up at the Stockholm Institute - look it up yourself. What you’ll also find is that the small amount of aid to Iraq from the US coincided with the time that the Iranian “students” were holding American embassy staff hostage, and it is probable that the US saw Iraq as a possible means of saving its people.
Do you agree that your comment was unfair?
#32.Murph , I agree with the distinction you make between Ba’athist/Al-Qaeda policy and Coalition policy. Policy being dictated by its target audience.
But the actions of both sides speak louder than any “policy” words.
By the way, it looks like to me, that you guys only prosecute and jail your torturers when they are stupid enough to email the photos home to show the wife and kids what daddy does when he’s away.
Posted by sticksandstones on 2006 10 30 at 08:25 AM • permalink#39, “By the way, it looks like to me, that you guys only prosecute and jail your torturers....”
And what do you do with ‘yours’? To quote a great leader, “If you aint with us, your against us.”
Go off to the sand pit and play with ‘your’ friends you filthy scumbag.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 08:44 AM • permalink39. Ummm i think youll find its when theres enough evidence to try and convict.
heres a few more happy movies from Penns “kite flying” peroid before the evil AmeriKKKans invaded.
Im sure you could find plenty more but trat yourself to a couple then come back and say “Geez I wish that saddam was back in charge, at least the trains ran on time”.http://www.9neesan.com/massgraves/
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/2006/01/alert_saddams_c.html
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/files/1.wmv
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/files/2.wmv
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/files/3.wmv
http://fdd.typepad.com/fdd/files/4.wmv
http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.844,filter.all/event_detail.asp
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101689,00.htmlHas it occoured to you that not overthrowing saddam would have meant ‘more of the same” with NO chance of a change?
Are you comfortable with that?Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 10 30 at 08:45 AM • permalinkWow thats my first troll bashing, shit it feels good.
Out of curiousity, would it have been considered bad form if I’d told Sticks to make the world a better place and go hang himself?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 08:46 AM • permalinksticksandstones,
Firstly, I’m not even going to get into the detail of why taking a photo of a pile of backsides is not as heinous as hacking off somebody’s head on video and circulating around the world so Jihadis can jack off. If you can’t see the difference then never the twain shall meet.
Secondly, the reason we “only” prosecute “our” torturers when they are “stupid enough to email the photos home to show the wife and kids”, is that in “our” systems of civilian and military justice require something called “evidence”. I dunno if you’ve heard of it, but it’s a very important thing.
So, from what you have implied I can draw one of two conclusions:
1. You have in your possession, evidence of abuse which indicates that it is not confined to the cases which are currentoy in the public domain, or
2. You are a gobshite.
If I were a betting man I’d be putting teh house on option 2.
Sorry folks, I was educated in Australia in the late 80’s/early 90’s.
Whats a non-sequitur?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 09:33 AM • permalinkThey’re prolly more expensive too Grimmy. But I’ve heard they burn quite well…
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 09:45 AM • permalink#46
Andrea is right; decent trolls have been thin on the ground lately. :-D
Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 10 30 at 10:32 AM • permalinkSo non-sequitur means bullshit right?
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 10:51 AM • permalinkI thought it was oxygen deprived moron that meant bullshit? you know, like french courage.
Non seekwetters seem more like an issue with broken flow devices like:
Hey, nice weather today, eh?
I’ll have a hotdog, thank you.Of course, when it comes to issues of grammar and such I am more than usually lost.
Ah, thanks Grimmy, you have clarified my understanding of the concept in question.
Its far closer to crapulence that bullshit.
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 30 at 11:19 AM • permalinko/t Over at the Age,there is a cartoon of John Howard sitting astride a cross and shaking his fist at the star and crescent moon in the night sky.Heading “John Howard’s Double Standards -The P.M. continues to portray Muslims badly.”.
Then quotes what P.M. said-inside.
About the Pope and his statements.
“We should TAKE A DEEP BREATH ON THESE THINGS AND ALL HAVE A SENSE OF PROPORTION”.
Also in enrAGEd,
ABC favourite comedian and Sea Change star Shaun Micallef has a nice turn of phrase about interviewing Norman Wisdom..
“We thought a few bottles of wine might loosen his lips and WE’D GET THE DIRT ON THAT SORDID SEX SCANDAL OF( ) 1963”.BEAZLEY UNMOVED
Sounds like Beazley needs a large dose of laxatives.
And it sounds like sticksandstones took an overdose of laxatives. Not to mention serum of ipecac.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2006 10 30 at 12:00 PM • permalink#28 The difference being, of course, that the parents wouldn’t stand for a Fred Phelps in the schools where they would be endlessly ‘tolerant’ of a Benbrika, as the fundamental teachings of Christ are far too confronting for the folks these days.
At least with a Benbrika in the schools they can get that warm fuzzy feeling of being non-judgemental and inclusive.
Not like those peskycatholics presbyterians lutherans baptistschristians who do practise what they preach rather than taqiyya.Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 10 30 at 04:30 PM • permalinkBut did he say it with a compassionate head tilt?
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 10 30 at 09:53 PM • permalinkBut yet, you appear to have nothing better to do today.
Get A JOB!
Posted by The_Wizard_of_WOZ on 2006 10 31 at 12:15 AM • permalink
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