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Wild scenes at a Sydney beach:
Racial tension turned to violence today as at least 5000 angry people converged on the beach after simmering anger and disputes between beach users flared last week.
An ambulance spokesman said crews had treated at least five people after pockets of violence broke out among the crowd ...
He could not comment on a report that a girl of Middle Eastern appearance had been pushed over and was kicked repeatedly as she lay on the ground.
Let’s hope that report turns out to be untrue. Other (confirmed) reports are almost as disgusting:
Two ambulance officers were injured when an angry mob attacked their vehicle.
The ambulance was transporting six injured youths under police escort when the crowd descended upon the vehicle and began hurling beer bottles.
How did this situation come to be? Splat Guy puts together a concise time-line:
* Last weekend some people, probably Lebanese Muslims, bashed a bunch of lifeguards at Cronulla Beach, including knocking one unconscious. They also harassed girls and women on the beach.
* Residents, pissed off by the violence, got angry at the lack of police attendance and presence.
* The anger morphed into a rage that the beach was being “invaded” by people from the western suburbs (i.e., a euphemism for Lebanese Muslims).
* Some people started texting to incite others to “defend the beach” from thugs.
* Today they did that by forming a violent, rowdy, mob.
To be honest with you, I was quite surprised that such a group of chavs and bogans was able to organise themselves, let alone through the weak social network of SMS. The anthropological implications are fascinating.
Absolutely. Nilknarf, Yarra Boy, Davie, Skylark and Disasterplan have views; meanwhile, other Sydney beaches are now witnessing payback violence:
Reports on radio station 2GB indicated up to 50 vehicles with passengers armed with “baseball bats” had been causing trouble in Maroubra, in Sydney’s east.
Sky News reported that a group of people in cars and with baseball bats, bits of wood and stakes, had “slammed every single car” in some streets.
One eyewitness reported every car in a section of Maroubra Road had had their windows and windscreens smashed, and glass was littering the road.
There were also reports of crowd trouble at beachside suburbs of Kyeemagh and Brighton Le Sands, in Sydney’s south.
The above report doesn’t say so, but our bat-wielding friends are of “Middle Eastern appearance”, at least according to police radio. There’s just as many idiots on the opposing side:
Went to cronulla today… Was great, only saw 3 leb’s… and they were being taken away in ambulances...lol
Here’s another winner:
hahahaha sucked in wogs u all ran like a fucking girls, We showed you were the dominant race and we reclaimed Cronulla, AUSSIE PRIDE, good on ya shire boyz
The dominant race? Nice. Real nice. Round ‘em up—all of them, from both sides—charge ‘em, convict ‘em, jail ‘em.
UPDATE. Good point from J.F. Beck: “Racism doesn’t account for attacks on police and ambulance officers. Alcohol and yobbos, the perfect combination.”
UPDATE II. Stepan Kerkyasharian, president of the Anti-Discrimination Board of NSW: “Let us all get behind our police force and bring the perpetrators to justice, regardless of their background.”
UPDATE III. Video and more here.
UPDATE IV. Adrian the cabbie: “It was around 9 pm last night when I heard news of the riot. Having just dropped off a fare in Paddington I turned for the Airport when a message appeared onscreen, RIOT MARINE PDE MAROUBRA BCH POLICE ATTENDING KEEP CLEAR. I headed for Maroubra.”
UPDATE V. “Cronulla” is currently the top search term at Technorati.
UPDATE VI. Gary Sauer-Thompson:
The base economic issues are clear: poorly educated young people fuelled by anger, dispossession and booze/drugs, low incomes and poor job prospects, turning tribal.
Gary obtains this “clear” understanding of the issues from his home in Adelaide.
UPDATE VII. It’s all John Howard’s fault:
Howard’s fascist racist chickens are coming home to roost as events in Cronulla evidence.
Howard the Liar must take the blame for these actions, he is a shameful example of what Australia has become and its time for the majority of Australians who do not share these racist and war mongering views of his to KICK HIM OUT!
Howard’s racist ‘anti-terrorism’ laws have so successfully marginalised Australians whose heritage is Middle Eastern that we are now in a situation where mob violence has taken over the beaches and streets of parts of Sydney. The sight of thousands of drunken hooligans claiming to be ‘true Aussies’ was really quite sickening and reminiscent of the thugs dressed in brown shirts that chased Jews and communists around the streets of Munich.
This is a decade of Howard and Hanson coming home to roost ... it has come from John Howard stoking the fires of racism for his own benefit.
Everytime Howard used the refrain of nationalism in the gestural politics of migrants and refugees he consolidated his sovereign position as the populist Pide Piper playing a simple tune that can be hummed by anyone.
Hmm. The author presumably didn’t intend to describe Howard as a piper of Turkish bread. Hey, maybe it’s all George Bush’s fault:
The war on terrorism is the context for Cronulla.
UPDATE VIII. Davo comments:
The only channel offering a fair view of the Cronulla incidents is unbelievably the Australian ABC TV! Channel 7 and Ten are launching into white rascism attacks and interviewing every dhimmy available and are expressly blaming John Howard for bringing in the new anti-terror laws. What is going on here!
Keysar Trad blames talk back radio for inciting racial hatred. I think he needs to ask why this is happening. Let’s get to the root cause of Anglo anger. Lets apply the golden “why” rule and see if there are any extenuating circumstances excusing this behaviour, there always semms to be one for muslims. Then we can have Morris Iemma promise to do better in meeting Australian aspirations for a peaceful day at the beach.
On the one hand, trouble-making imams could be preaching hate in the mosques so that young Muslim men will go out and commit violence, thus provoking a backlash, in order to further Islamic jihad.
On the other hand, trouble-making thugs could be preaching hate to their gangs so that young Anglo/nominally Christian men will go out and commit violence, thus provoking a backlash, in order to further Muslim-hatred.
In all nations, at all times, these people feed on each other.
This is an appalling and dangerous development. I guess we should have seen it coming. This could be a long hot summer.
Naturally it’s only the lunatics who will benefit from this. Apparently the neo-nazis have wasted no time making hay and you do not need much imagination to guess what the Islamist rabble rousers around Sydney and further are doing right now.
To be honest with you, I was quite surprised that such a group of chavs and bogans was able to organise themselves, let alone through the weak social network of SMS. The anthropological implications are fascinating.
Them boys musta bin snorting thet Rooshin squirrel blood…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 11 at 12:25 PM • permalinkI’m sorry but I despise the Lebanese. I’m sure there are nice Lebanese Australians, decent old guys who run newsstands, lawyers, doctors and people who just get along. But I have to assume that because the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered have been vicious moronic thugs. I’ve born witness to a dozen screaming shoving matches out the front of Oxford street nightclubs, been insulted and threatened on Bondi’s esplanade, the list goes on.
Who was it that fired on that police station?
Okay I’ll give you one story, ONE, and this is the tip of the iceberg, and after this you can Diagnose me as a bigot if you like. This is not one of those “Some of my best friends are Lebanese, BUT..” stories because I don’t have any Lebanese friends because I hate them.
When I was a callow youth just out of uni, I lived visited Sydney briefly and stayed with my then girlfriend. She lived out in Ryde, so I had a long commute into the CBD and back. The bus had an ‘express’ and an ‘all stops’ version, clearly marked. It didn’t matter to me, I was the last stop. One of our colorful ethnic friends from the “Paris of the Middle East’, got on, and got up to get off, but he had dumbly got on the express and the bus didn’t stop at his station. Most people would have sighed in exasperation and sat back down, not this guy.
He went berserk. And I mean berserk, shrieking abuse at the bus driver as he tried to explain that he couldn’t get off here, then, and I swear to god I’m not exaggerating, HE GRABBED THE STEERING WHEEL AND YANKED IT.
Let me just give you a second for that to sink in. There were thirty people on that bus.
The bus swerved dangerously, the driver hit the brakes and let him out, he was screaming, leaping up and down like a chimpanzee, and, as an especially charming finishing touch, as the doors closed he spat full on the glass.
That’s ONE story, I have half a dozen, though I admit that’s probably the craziest. My friend’s a Canadian who’s only been in Oz for three years but already has two Lebo stories that involve violence and threats against him, one of them very serious. HE’S BEEN IN THE GODDAMN COUNTRY THREE YEARS. I do genuinely wish the whole revolting, thuggish, pig-ignorant, foulmouthed rabble would be thrown out, and I wouldn’t say that of any other ethnic group. I’m a big fan of immigration. Just not Arabs. And especially not the Lebanese.
The Australian yobbos in this story have acted like idiots and should be arrested, especially for the cowardly attack on that girl, but there was no trouble in Cronulla beach until GUESS WHO arrived.
I’m visiting Aus this Xmas with my Japanese girlfriend.
“Welcome to Australia. This is a koala. This is a kangaroo. This is one of our delightful muslim rape gangs. This is one of our charming race riots.”
But yes, I’m sure these “tensions” are all the fault of “talkback radio and rednecks”, I’m so ashamed to be Australian, etc.
Posted by Drunk Fade on 2005 12 11 at 01:10 PM • permalink"(Sobbing) Why do they hate us? (Wringing hands)”
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 11 at 01:36 PM • permalinkAmos: There’s lots of Lebs around my area (Thornleigh) and they don’t cause any trouble, I dare speculate the fact that they’re mostly Australian born Christians probably has something to do with it. The moment that Keysar Trad came on the news I suddenly realised that the “lebs” were Muslims and mumbled “that explains it”. Whoever joined in on what the original SMS called “Leb and wog bashing day” is a stupid yob but well.....the Islamic-Surfie Kulturkampf was a disaster waiting to happen. I’m not good with geography but Cronulla is the closest beach from Lakemba, right?
the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered have been vicious moronic thugs
Wow, lucky me, in Florida the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered run restaurants where they serve delicious food.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 12 11 at 02:00 PM • permalinkThe only Lebanese story I have is from a guy who attended the Pakistan-Australia cricket test in Perth last year.
He was one of the roid boys who spends all day at the gym, came into the stand right at the front, took off his shirt and started yelling: “PAKISTAN! YEAH!!!”. Like that repeatedly.
He obviously wasn’t Pakistani, as the Pakistani bloke sitting next to us was quick to point out.
After about half an hour of this bullshit, someone yelled out “Hey mate, where in Pakistan are you from?”
His reply: “Calcutta!”.
Knob.
Perhaps these incidents however disgraceful,racist and “un australian” will send a message to the militant troublemakers of the islamic community that Australian people are not French people and they do not bend over to be kicked in the arse for the sake of multiculturism after you have attacked them.
In fact they are just as ignitable as the islamic community
Well i guess we can expect some dead of the night car burnings, but i doubt John Howard who is not known for his dhimmitued , will put this down to the reactions of “alienated disadvantaged youth” al la Chirac.
OR perhaps we are witnessing the first resistance in the west to this type of statement (so common these days) from AP
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden’s deputy, in a new tape that surfaced Sunday, urged all Muslims to take up arms and said their refusal to join the fight against “the Cross and Zionism” was a “malignant illness” that would only lead to the defeat of militant Islam.
Egyptian-born Ayman al-Zawahri said the global Islamic community had “no hope for victory” until all Muslims signed on to the Al Qaeda-led jihad.
Andrea
Did you check if your lovely restaurant owners were in fact dispossesed Maronite Christians who fled Lebanon after the invasion of the PLO and Syrians ?Dave S. makes a good point.
Sometimes, these sort perpetuators are simply people looking to cause trouble, and use racism as an excuse. There’s no reason why the Lebanon Muslims are just a bunch of assholes, similar to the yobbos who attacked the woman. Or any bunch of idiots I’ve seen hanging around public areas. I recall similar problems from bike gangs here in the States years ago.....which was dealt with in a similar fashion.
“Racism” is often a card played by “progressives” to push an emotional button, or as a means to re-define the offenders as victims. Racism does exist, but racism isn’t always the reason for problems such as these beach fights. Or if racism is the cause, it’s sometimes “reverse racism” (a silly term, IMHO, but it is descriptive).
Playing the “racist” card just diverts people from what may be the real problem: a bunch of assholes who happen to be Muslims from Lebanonese familiies.
I’d also like to mention that I’ve know several decent Lebanonese. One was an officer in the Lebanonese Army, back in 1979. He was polite, professional, and very intelligent. Not an asshole in any way.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 11 at 03:18 PM • permalinkFrom what I have read the police are partially blame for this getting out of hand. If they had done something about the gangs of youths harassing beach goers things would have gotten this nuts now would they? Or is the politically correct thing to do just sit there and take it?
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 12 11 at 03:34 PM • permalinklet’s face reality.....the muslim lebs have declared war on aussies and have been waging a terror campaign for the best part of a decade or more.
sydney is the new beruit with a green line splitting the city, lebs out west and aussies in the east.
the lebs have used their rape squads to terrorise the white population and mindless acts of violence against ‘skips’ is standard operating procedure.
not all lebs behave like this but there is a substantial gangsta sub culture within that community that has no respect for the law or the aussie culture.
the problem started in the early 80’s i think when thousands of lebs were allowed to emigrate to australia without proper background checks. apparently many lebs from certain villages who were already anti social and criminals and involved in the civil war were allowed in and these families and their off spring are the main trouble makers.
The real jeffs
up here on the coast , i have met many extremely hospitable,sociable and pleasant Lebanese, Iranians and Egyptians, but coincidence ? they are all Maronite, Copts , Bahias and Zaroastrians.
They are indistinguishable from the Islamic militants to the Yobbo communities who seek revenge. This Happens also in England ( eg Bradford) where Sikhs and Hindus are mistaken for muslim militants and beaten up by Brit yobs.
Of course the yobs of Cronulla are offenders, but the original offenders are the Muslims who terrorise Cronulla beach and call the bikini clad Aussie girls, whores.
This is not a “Cycle of Violence” , it is an unauthorised RESPONse to aggressions that havw been largely ignored by the Police commissioner who call the actions of the yobs “UnAustralian” but has not applied the same epithet to the earlier actions of the Muslim gangs.
In France, on the Med, remote beaches were assigned to Nudists. Perhaps what the Muslims really want is an Islamic beach.No argument, davo.
I should have been clearer: I don’t doubt at all the Lebanonese Muslims started the problem. I think that people playing the racist card ("Well, of course Muslims are rioting! They’re oppressed in Australia, They just need to be understood!") is not appropriate.
I had an argument with David “Mushtaq Omar” Heidelberg over on Evil Pundit’s blog a while ago on a very similar subject, having to do with courtesy or rudeness being a cultural aspect. Omar was “offended” because a guest posting there postulated that Mulisms tend to be rude because of their culture. He whipped out the racist card, and was promptly smacked down by several people.
It’s likely the same thing here. Indeed, you point out that the Lebanonese that you know as hospitable and pleasant are not Muslim.
I just don’t want the non-Muslims participating in these riots to get away scott free. Muslim or not, knocking down someone and kicking them on the ground is wrong. There are yobbos in all cultures. I will say that this sort of behavior is the exception rather than the rule in most western nations, including Australia.
But, again, I agree—from the reports, the Lebanonese gangs brought this upon them by their behavior. They need a good ass whupping. But riots are never pretty. I hope the police get their act together.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 11 at 04:13 PM • permalinkI’ll admit. I have no soft spot for rioters. And blaming your own actions on the rioters simply...excuses your barbarism on account of their perceived barbarism.
By all means if thugs assault someone nearby, feel free to grab a posse (Or a firearm if you live in the US) and go judiciously prod buttock then and there.
Don’t wait until the next day.According to Keysar on Sunrise just now (7.20am) that it could have been worse if he hadn’t called for moderation last week!
Magilla is certainly getting an education in communicating with the television.
Re a Lebanese girl getting attacked, I got this comment.
On TV news I saw a mob chasing a hotted up rev-head car who was slowly backing away.I also saw a blonde tanned woman, yes a middle-aged woman, hitting someone on the ground, with her handbag, who could have been dressed in a burqua, can’t be sure.
So when Ken Moroney says, ‘It’s unAustralian to assault women’ is it this blonds woman he’s referring to? Who may be just venting frustration at the ridiculous Burka which is an insult to all Aussies?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 04:26 PM • permalink#23 To be frank JeffS, I believe the police are woefully unprepared for this kind of thing.
The cops do a great job of general policing but we as a society take the gamble that the worst police will come across on active duty is a couple of drunken brawlers or revved up junkie.
I’m not sure the cops have any armoured vehicles or water cannons.
Water cannons might be a good investment - show no mercy and give both sets of idiots a much needed bath.
-- Nora
Youth gang violence has been on the upsurge for a few years now. It’s been caused by overliberal standards.
Almost every weekend there are drunken riots on parts of the Gold Coast and the root cause is that these young people have never had a line drawn in the sand regarding their behaviour.
On the Coast, it’s sometimes white youths fight each other over territory. Add racial differences to the mix and they’ll fight over the colour of each others skin.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 11 at 04:28 PM • permalinkWell, well, Australia’s first Kristallnacht. The Middle Eastern religion of Peace running around the beaches smashing car windows as per Paris training. It’s a pity that private citizens need to protect themselves by banding together against the barbarians invading our decent society.
Iemma should stand down as he is hopelessly compromised to act in a role for all decent Australians, its now blowing up in the faces of the Lefty PC.Posted by missinglink on 2005 12 11 at 04:33 PM • permalinkFound some video footage, via bareknucklepolitics
I grew up in Cronulla (I haven’t been in Sydney for about 15 years), but this has been coming for a long time.
Cronulla, being one of the few beaches that is on a rail line, gets all the ‘bankies’ (possibly showing my age here - but bankies used to = Bankstowners) and they always came looking for trouble, but over the years their definition of trouble has shifted to a much more violent position.
The questions to ask are -
What was the cause? - you don’t get that many pissed off surfies together easily, beating up the lifesavers was the straw that broke the camels back.
Where were the police over the years while this was brewing? - a few judicious arrests would have stopped this years ago
Where will the police be next weekend and all the weekends after? - this isn’t over by a long shot, just pray it doesn’t get to the point of the surfies visiting Lakemba en mass.
A political decision must be made to beef up police numbers and deploy them specifically against the cause, not the effect - racial profiling, oh my!
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 11 at 05:20 PM • permalinkMost commenters on this subject are woefully ignorant of the longer history involved here.
The tensions most certainly did not begin with the lifeguards being bashed. As you yourself should know, Tim, that incident was merely something that the MSM couldn’t suppress.
The deliberate beating and molestation of white Australians by Lebanese gangs, coming from the west to the Sutherland Shire, has been occurring with increasing frequency for the past decade.
I am willing to wager that any of you pious, holier-than-thou types who echo leftists by focusing on one incident with an ambulance (nicely aiding Muslim gang PR in the process) have never lived in the Shire, or witnessed the way these gangs have malignantly manifested themselves, especially at Miranda Westfield and Cronulla Beach.
Because if you had, and you saw a few suicidal gang members getting knocked about, you’d have the same reaction as me.
Just desserts.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 11 at 05:33 PM • permalinkSorry ,jic - I didn’t close the quote tag. PIMF.
It wasn’t my quote, but it is interesting the way things get spun.
With regards to the rioting, we all assume that it’s men only involved. The thought of women sinking the boot in, so to speak, tends not to occur to us. I know it doesn’t for me - hell, I can’t handle violence (unless it’s on celluloid).
I find the idea that the women are weighing in as a sign that the pot is finally boiling over, and that alone is a bigger warning than themob of yobs going all out to kick heads.
Oh, and Stormfront (refuse to link. bleh) have been putting their two bobs’ worth of opinion on thier website.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 05:42 PM • permalinkMike
The fact still remains that there were people attacking coppers and ambos. That is wrong. Full stop.
As I said, the cops and the luvvies in the NSW govt better start taking a good look at what motivated a crowd of 5000 angry locals to turn up and do what they did. The cops need to get out of their crusiers and down on the beach so as to create a presence which intimidates the Musselmen.
The one positive I could take from yesterdays situation was from a scene I saw on the evening news where a number of police where flailing their batons at the crowds at the train station. This kind of police response was notably absent from other riots we’ve had in the last couple of years, eg Redfern, Macquarie Fields so I’ll be sure that future riots and “tension” will be dealt with in a similar fashion.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 12 11 at 06:39 PM • permalinkThis has been coming for a very long time and the Police should have jumped on it harder much earlier before it got to the point of blatant stupidity.
I was in Cronulla just a couple of weeks ago on a saturday night and the mall was chocka’s with security guards because the Leb gangs have been bashing people and smashing shop windows at random FOR MONTHS!No-one thinks that 5000 drunken yobbos is a good thing but it could have all been prevented by the Police months ago if they weren’t tip-toeing around trying not to “offend” the poor Lebs.
Thanks, jic. I can be just as big a bogan as the yobs out there. While I try to stay away from any aggro, I used to be one who dived in to break up the fray. Luckily that was only a few times.
I prefer to run away, but sometimes, you’ve got to say ‘Enough!’
Re the ambos being attacked, from the footage at bareknuckle politics (linky above) I get the impression that the mob wanted the group rescued by the ambos rather than the officers themselves.
As a people, I always figured that the ambos and fireys are sacrosanct.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 06:41 PM • permalinkI don’t think this has terribly much to do with race, I think it has a lot more to do with Sydney, and it’s gang war culture.
In the last 2 years in Sydney:
Redfern: Aboriginals riot
Cronulla: Leb/Surfer riots
Maroubra: Riots last night. Also home of the most violent surfer gang in Christendom
Macquarie Fields: Bogans riot
Cabramatta: Run by vietnamese street gangs
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs: Fans regularly riot and cause affray
Farifield: Serbs and Croats riot at the soccer.This sort of rubbish doesn’t happen anywhere else in Australia, with the possible exception of Perth.
The police have surrendered the streets of Sydney to the gangs, and the youth gangs there have been doing what all youth gangs do when the police stop policing.
How about everyone takes a deep breath, steps away and thinks real hard about whether this is the way we want things to be in Australia.
Wrong has happened to a number of people. The police remain the organisation most able to enforce the law. Let them do their job. And everyone else get out of the way.
Sadly not true jpaulg, if putting up with Schoolies wasn’t bad enough - the Gold Coast has young criminal gangs causing mayhem in the southern suburbs of Palm Beach and Currumbin.
-- Nora
PS It makes the The Gold Coast Bulletin look like the moron rag that it is - check the front page image and then look at the third story down. (PS the web page only lasts 24 hours, they don’t bother to archive stories on their site).
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 11 at 07:21 PM • permalinkGotta love IndyMedia.
These moonbats take the cake!
Cronulla was possibly Australia’s biggest racist protest since vigilante miners killed two Chinese at Lambing Flat in 1860.
Perhaps I’m reading it wrong, but the implication there would be that we’ve all been pretty mild over the last 140 years.
We can’t be so intolerant if it takes that long to explode into mob violence.
I can’t say I’m surprised. It’s happened a bit sooner than expected, but not by much.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 07:22 PM • permalinkIt’s funny how it’s only considered “racial violence” by the likes of the ABC when white people behave in this disgusting manner, but not when Lebanese Moslems harass and attack based on race!
You’re absolutely right though Tim. What intially had the potential to be something positive, turned into something very, very ugly and un-Australian. My guess is that this Anglo anger will have precisely the opposite effect to that intended, in that the cowardly gangs of Islamic thugs previously menacing Cronulla, will simply find other defenceless victims to seek revenge on. We’re seeing signs of that already.I understand the comments that the issues didn’t start with the lifeguard “beatings”, but I can’t help wondering what exactly ocurred. The fact that the press accounts don’t specify is suggestive. But does anyone know anything specific?
Posted by mjones8627 on 2005 12 11 at 07:53 PM • permalinkThis Happens also in England ( eg Bradford) where Sikhs and Hindus are mistaken for muslim militants and beaten up by Brit yobs.
Yeah in Scotland and Bradford white & black youths routinely get attacked by Muslim men; sometimes with deadly effects. But not much is made about that for fear of making the Muslims in the UK look bad.
PS: This is what a “moderate” Muslim group is discussing.
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 12 11 at 07:55 PM • permalink"The police remain the organisation most able to enforce the law. Let them do their job. And everyone else get out of the way. “
The reason this got to the point it has is that the Police HAVEN’T been doing their job.
Do you really think you can easily get together 5000 surfies over a one off attack?
What we are seeing is a response to an ongoing situation and a lack of action on the part of police.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 11 at 08:09 PM • permalink"In the minds of the local population, the police were cowards and the message was, Lebs rule the streets.”
The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia
Tim Priest
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581Posted by stackja1945 on 2005 12 11 at 08:15 PM • permalinkIemma should stand down as he is hopelessly compromised to act in a role for all decent Australians
Unfamiliar readers should note Morris Iemma is the Member for Lakemba, where most of the Lebanese Muslim troublemakers originate.
As a consequence, he will try to fight a war, while trying to win a local popularity contest. Looking at Paul Keating’s kowtowing to Sheik Hilaly’s supporters in the late eighties, I know which duty will take a back seat.
Update: 2UE just reported the Australian flag being burnt at Brighton le Sands. Can we deport them yet?
Most people here seem to be hitting the nail on the head. Because police have chosen to not enforce the law with regaurds to one section of the community, they are now held in contempt by other groups.
And the comment on the use of battons was spot on, although in their defence the times the coppers have chosen not to use them it was mainly “shitting in their own nest” situations.
I havent met anyone under about 30 with a good word for the Lebs. There is something seiously “broken” in that group.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 11 at 08:43 PM • permalink#53, Islamic Lebanese gangs harass in many places in Sydney. In my experience it does NOT happen however, in Cabramatta. The Leb gangs steer clear of THAT place. I imagine this is because they know they will get more than they give there.. hehehe.... (sometimes you just gotta love those Vietnamese!)
#10, Amos, thank you for that story. Anecdotes abound on what lunatics arabs are. Similar tales are told by almost anybody who has lived, worked, commuted through or had any contact with an arabic suburb.
Speaking only for myself, I am scratching to find a similar story about any other ethic group, whilst I have my own good collection of “Arabs are lunatics, get a load of THIS which happened.. blah blah” type stories.
Posted by Steve at the pub on 2005 12 11 at 08:50 PM • permalink# 61 Thefrollickingmole,
Let’s be fair to the Sydney police - they’re choosing not to enforce the law anywhere where there is a chance of headlines in the SMH reading “Brutal Police use Excessive Force on [fill in the blank with an ethnic group of your choice]”.Whilst the Lebs may be one of the worst offending ethnic groups, there are plenty of others on the path they’re on.
jpaulg
Yup that was my point, I just didnt set it out clearly enough. And your bit about the papers is right to, nothing sells like a good “victim of the nasty police” story.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 11 at 09:05 PM • permalinkIt is unfortunate, but not surprising, that a blow in the culture war was struck by a very unsophisticated bunch of alcohol-charged “yobbos”. The blows should have been raining down from other quarters, years ago. Using methods some squeamish people here would approve of.....the law, and common sense.
* Anyone who denies or fails to see that there is a culture war happening is a fool.
* Are they “yobbos”? MSM will have it that way, no matter what, but ...
Analyse this:
- “They” (surfers) ARE from sub-cultures that do not seek, tolerate, or desire in any way, the intervention of “authority”;
- they are emotive, not intellectual, easily ‘provoked’, by either side of the fence, because they are voiceless, and they know it.
- they “feel” under attack, and no amount of Glebe glibness from the chattering classes is going to alter their perception.However, in a day and age where a common complaint in all areas of Australia is, “where are the police?”, these tribal members have been delivered to the coal face...and they have been left there, with no support and a whole load of PC sanctions, by a pusillanimous series of Government ministers, departments and “decrees”. No grievance airing, because having those grievances is not PC. In short, there are no legitimate grievances.
* Not relevant that “they” may have stoked some of the embers. You expect sophistication??? They HAVE been attacked, on occasions too numerous to detail. (I have “shire” affiliation, so I disagree with the time-lines suggested; this is at least 5 years in the making)
* Some comments here have been surprised that women have involved themselves. Why the bemusement? The Muslim Lebanese have gone out of their way to target “skip chicks” for years now. The Bikini/Beach Girl is the new poster girl… of anti-Australian rhetoric. Has been for years. Rape gangs???* Some commentators (indymedia) allude to the “racist” crowd as “nominally Christian”. HUH?
IF they attended a church, (highly, highly doubtful) they would be confronted by pulpits that do not address “the issue”, for fear of being politically incorrect (see:Danny Nalia). Other agendas run hot in our churches, like how they can continue to be gay.
The “victims”, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly members/attendees of mosques where “the issue” is hotly debated.
Keysar Trad? He has exactly what mandate? Howard’s “Terror Conference” did nothing that was not predictable in terms of security measures, but provided us with a curious side effect. We now have a group of unelected power brokers, unequivocally identified with a problem group, eagerly advising us on .... how to deal with themselves!... with the imprimatur of Government.
In any concrete terms Keysar Trads’ dealings with the law have been singularly noteworthy for their association with breaking/manipulating migration laws for the benefit of questionable people. Apart from those involvements, .....what? He is now one of the most recognisable faces on MSM, alongside Hilaly and Omran.
He is consulted why???? Useful idiot? No, that title belongs to those who use him.
He should be on a tape loop, as there is nothing new coming from that quarter.Australia HAS dealt with migration issues - successfully and over many years. What marks the Muslim question as different is so obvious it is amazing it is still in dispute.
Islam is not a race. It is a philosophic bent; to date, there is precious little evidence that it’s intentions are harmonious with the prevailing ethos. There is a huge body of evidence suggesting it CANNOT be otherwise, by Koranic definition. There is also a lot of evidence, historic and anecdotal, of its voracious appetite and intransigent nature.
“Race” laws do not apply to addressing this issue.
We came close recently.... the “culture” inside DIMIA was correctly identified as causative. Certainly, it did/does not help. Work on that front will yield positives with future migrants.
The home-grown issue is more complex, but does show one thing. For whatever reason, there is a very clear identification with every form of ratbag Islam that has surfaced in other corners of the world.
We have a problem. It is multi-hued and lives in peoples minds, not on their skin.
Cronulla is just a very predictable outbreak of a simmering frustration and until the real issue, that of the role of Islam in Australia, via our blind obedience to “multi-culti” dictates, is addressed, there will only be more Cronullas… and more draconian law mooted by those who fail to see with clarity.Posted by Gravelrash on 2005 12 11 at 09:10 PM • permalink#55 - root causes. The first four callers to ABC Local Radio (Jon Faine’s show being hosted by Stephen Maine) this morning cited John Howard and his “climate of fear” as the root cause. In truth it may have been more than four but I had to turn off.
Posted by Semi-conductor on 2005 12 11 at 09:20 PM • permalinkCheck out the BBC spin on this. Slow to react as always as they digest and regurgitate in BBC speak language.
THe only highlighted quote is of Course the opportunist Keyser trad of the ,LOL,(islamic freindship Association of Australia). He gets all the BBC oxygen of course.
Kevin Schreiber is of course hailed as a PC Hero .( Having done nothing to deal with an on going situation, which has been subjuhice and ignored by the BEEB).
And the closer at the ebd as always to make the article appear “Balanced” in the BBC’s owm views.
“Area residents accuse the visitors of being disrespectful and of sometimes intimidating other beach-goers.”
This is what the poor brits are shelling out billions under threat of imprisonment for refusal to cough up the BBC tax!Well put Gravelrash,those that have borne the brunt of the experiment have finally reacted in a predictable manner to pursed lips all around.Ugly and nasty on both sides,but a symptom of a basic incompatibility it would seem.To get hedonistic surfers that fired up about anything other than their narrow focus would indicate that the final straw may have been broken.Hardly surprising really.
Yes, I’ve been waiting for the ABC and Fairfax Press to blame John Howard. What’s the betting they’ll manage to work in George Bush and Tony Blair as well? I can foresee comparisons with New Orleans. Maybe we can squeeze in a reference to global warming leading to riots - our fault for not signing Kyoto, etc etc and other moonbattery.
Gravelash
great post.
I would just add that it is not what we do or what we say that angers many muslims, it is simply our very existence. They’ve told us often enough and like so many Jews who perished under Hitler because they believed he would soon “go away’, we risk much if we do not listen.
It seems only totalitarian regimes can deal with Islamic extremism and democracy is far too weak, since it’s main weapons are evidently now, just appeasement and bribery.Bogans vs. Lebs- a match made in hell. since when are arabs non-caucasian? If they are caucasian, there’s no racial factor present, buth that’s never stopped the MSM from beating up that angle- cultural, and possibly quasi-religious factors? For sure.
We can thank the Hawke?Keating governments for this- they allowed wholesale immigration from Lebanon in the ‘80s to stack inner-western electorates which were becoming gentrified, and at risk of being lost to Labor- minimal checking was done, and many criminals, grubs and scumbags moved here; previously the Australian Lebanese populations was overwhelmingly Christian, and while they dabbled a bit in the smack trade they were generally well behaved. The Muslim Lebanese are from a different social strata- basically Levantine Bogans, and their behavior and attitudes are as expected.
I have no time for welfare-swallowing dickheads who surf all day on my dollar, but we can’t get rid of them; we can at least make the bastards get jobs- the Lakemba louts are a different story- they are eligible for Labanese passports, and any convicted of any sort of rotten behaviour should be made to avail themselves of the opportunity to move to a society more in tune with their beliefs.
Iemma is shaping up to be a bigger tool than Bob Carr- no easy task.God knows Oz’Landers, as an American, WE have had our share of racial, ethnic and religious strife and horror over our 230 years of existence. Idiots on all sides of the strife here, split our Nation damn near in half, for a period of four years, physically...and to this day, intellectually.
We have survived, for better or worse, we have survived. The new element in all of this ‘happening’ around the world is radical Islam. Not a single thinking person, should tolerate radicals of anything, surely not those that treat their women as chattel.
I’m quite sure that cooler heads will prevail...clue here..it is NOT always the intellect that will solve your woes, but the everyday down to earther.
Obviously the violence in your Nation is being fomented by at least 2nd and quite possibly 3rd generation. Best of luck and as WE in the States know WE can count on you, know also the YOU can count on US.
If what I just opined makes sense...thank you, if it doesn’t...I’ve been drinkin’.
I just heard a BBC World Service report, broadcasted on ABC News Radio, which referred to Cronulla as “Cronoola”, to the perpetrators of yesterday’s violence as “surfees”, and claimed “there is a large Lebanese community in this part of Sydney”. It’s one of the very few items today that has interrupted the show’s relentless banging on about the fact that a female and socialist candidate is winning the first round of Chile’s presidential elections.
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 11 at 10:00 PM • permalink72. davo. It is totalitarian regimes which are, in the end, weak. Democracy is a lot more robust, and it is open discussion and freedom which keep the system supple and strong. The media and other PC wonks have been trying to close down such discussion and freedoms - they working, in effect, to make us brittle like the totalitarians.
I don’t approve of what happened on the weekend, but I was surprised at how some overseas media outlets covered it.
- They referred to “racist white youth” (understandable comment i guess, in the circumstances.)
- They then went and listed some of the incidents such as the stabbing, clashes in Brighton-Le-Sands, and the smashing of 50 cars on Maroubra Road.Here’s the problem:
- The stabbing, the car-smashing, (arguably the singly most violent incidents), and the Brighton trouble were from the Middle Eastern youth. But some stories either ommited this or phrased it in such a way, that a disinterested reader would assume it was thie Aussie yobbos who did it.I’ve got no problem criticizing white youth who were making racist chants, but I do expect it to be put in context.
There’s plenty of stories on the net, but this BBC storyand this Guardian story are an example of what I mean.
A lot of people bag out the mainstream media, and I’ve never really thought about it or “bought into” that criticism. I may have to change my opinion on that.
Brett
i guess you are right. but there is a long road ahead to repair the self inflicetd damages done to democracy and we in Australia are i a a far better situation to do this than Holland, France or the UK which is infected with hordes of self haters.
Just read the adulations given to Harold Pinter’s incessant Nobel Prize rantings by the European press, for example!
These days any Islamic cleric who reliquishes the Koranic right to behead infidels is lauded as a “moderate” by the press!
And our Laws! just look what happened to Sami Al arian in the states recently!80 davo
look what happened to Sami Al arian in the states
One of the unfortunate happenings of a democracy. The freedom to have seated not one, but three peer judgementers of the OJ ilk, one last century, two (Robert Blake and Al Arian) this century, so far.
al arian is a terrorist funder/enabler if there ever was one...he may want to leave the U.S. and soon.
Time multiculti PC was thrown out of the window and issues addressed head on. If some PC leftie sentiments and oversized egos get quashed in the process, too bad I guess.
Ordinary people on the street, bang in the line of fire in matters such as these have been much wiser and smarter in reacting to and adapting to the noble intolerance of the so-called RoP (Religion of Peace, to the uninitiated). The word after the London bombings too was that decent folk everywhere whispered just out of earshot “Islam means bad news” and ordinary folk show this sentiment in their reluctance to profusely welcome moslem neighbours, hire moslem employees, befriend moslems in general etc. Too many times have such acts of innocent openness been met with hostility.
I just heard a BBC World Service report, broadcasted on ABC News Radio, which referred to Cronulla as “Cronoola”
When Bill Clinton was running for President (and frequently throughout his time in office, and at least once since he left office) BBC newsreaders constantly called him the “(former) Governor of Ar-Kansas. It wouldn’t of bothered me (there’s not really any reason they should know to pronounce Arkansas), but you should see how much Brits mock any American who can’t ‘properly’ pronounce Shrewsbury, Norwich, Leicester, Keighley, Bicester, Birmingham…
’Tis a shame that the Lebanese are getting their turn in the islamopsychopathic barrel. Prior to their being set upon by bedouins termed Palestinians and the Syrians, the Lebanese were considered the best of the Arab, the most educated in the ways of the world, the Bankers, Lawyers, Doctors...the professional class.
Maybe you have a radical Wahabbist/al-Qaida cleric or 20 that needs deportation, or have a rare illness beset them.
I’m thinking about writing a book on this incident. Tentative title would be “Some People Push Back: The Justice Of Roosting Chickens”. Has that been used before?
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 11 at 11:15 PM • permalinkMethinks you jump a bit quickly to come down on the “trash” who seem to be responding to provacations. I think a PC attitude here - “they are all at fault” - is what will create a bigger problem. That Aussie “trash” has protected your ass before and may have to do so again before it’s over. Rushing to show how righteous you are is not the point.
If this trouble brews up more, one group I would feel sorry for are Turks.
Turks have lived here for 30-40 years, and by and large, integrated pretty damn well. They seem to approach their islamic faith in a secular way, and are as laid back and unobtrusive about it as most westerners are about their christianity. Most just got out, and got jobs, and got on with life. They have, as the movies would say, “the right stuff” and made a go of their lives.
Don’t ever call a Turk an Arab, they will be quite hurt by it. Most Aussies, however, would have difficulty readly distinguishing the two groups. And I fear that Aussie Turks may get caught up in a clash they did nothing to cause.
Then again, there’s probably a fair few decent Arab folk too who just want to get by.It’s always the extremists who ruin it for the rest of us.
I am not really clear on the leb gangs. Sydney has a significant christian leb community, and obviously a lot of moslem lebs. Are the gangs predominately moslem, or are there Christian ones too. And what type go to the beach to make trouble? Some of the commenters here would look a bit silly if it turned out that at least some of the leb gangs were in fact from the christian leb community (quite prepared to be wrong on this).
Hmm… one might wonder why this is funny when stock traders do it but not when surfers do…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 11 at 11:32 PM • permalinkSpeaking of PC - “Anger management for terror suspects” - This isnt satire either.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 11 at 11:37 PM • permalink91- The gangbangers are exclusively Moslems- they don’t get on with the Maronites, druze etc- these were the same gerbils who were running around with Hezbollah and drove a truck full of nitropril into the Marine base in Beiruit, fine upstanding citizens all. The Christian Lebanese tend to be more educated and professionals, the Muslims are usually peasants and labourers (except when afflicted with Mediteranean Back).
They go to the beach mainly to ogle skip women and pick blues with their boyfriends to show how hardcore they are; they tend to be an odd mixture of ghetto gangsta/dealer and fundie fruitcake- I’m surprised the massive contradiction of their existence doesn’t cause them to sink into a confused coma, but I don’t think it even occurs to them.FWIW: The way it seems through my soda straw on the other side of this shrunken planet - when a government cannot (or refuses to) fullfil its primary obligation to protect its Citizenry, said Citizens are naturally inclined toward providing for their own security and protection. This dastardly inclination cannot be talked away or browbeaten into submission forever and sometimes in the absence of authority it’s resolution is mob-ass ugly. That’s what the even application of the rule of law is supposed to prevent. Faddish preference crime crap and/or fear of applying the rule of law to preferred minorities leads to balkanization of beaches and such.
I’ll just say it, western multi-culti ideas as they’ve been widely implemented by our beloved leftist zealots are the root cause of the sort of “unrest” we are watching bubble up. Why? I think it has alot to do with the apparent inability of postmodern acid-testees to choose a desireable or even a workable cultural norm. For far too many of them it’s out with the old (whether it works or not) and in with their newest formulation of bloody old collectivism...That they continue to reject wholesale the very moral structure of those largely western societies that have survived the left’s past formulations intact enough to preserve their liberty to spoooge all over as many copies of Das Capital as they can get their grubby hands on. Hey, don’t ask don’t tell…
What our progressive culti betters can’t seem to figure out is that their penchant for sticking collective fingers in ears for us whilst screaming "No culture is better than the other, but every other culture is better than ours", does not just make human nature do a koolaid shooter, and pick up the hookah to spread peace n’ love on the Starship Aquarius.
Anyway, pent-up pressures from suppressed “tensions” invariably explode to fill the vacumn created through ignoring or outright opposing what our particular western cultures have contributed toward the advancement of liberty in human civilization. The personal responsibility part of the concept of individual liberty - as opposed to collective liberties - is anathema to their various sundry utopian projects which always seem to end up as dystopian nightmares fueled by death and populated by ghosts.
Unfortunatly this Great Leftist FusterCluck of institutional [subsidized] decline by design is so entrenched in our liberal arts fueled chattering classes that they’ll doubtlessly fertilize the poor oppressed anything but us’ers instead of tending to the whole forest of cause and effect. They’ve already begun to blame the whole “isolated” context purged “incident” on their favorite neocon strawmen whilst shoving the greatest part of the problem right back into their pressure cooker to simmer some more in a delicate broth of condemnation in amongst overly-boiled chunks of floating platitudes.
Cultural melting pots make for nice savory stews, but for Christ’s sake don’t use a frenchified car-BQ recipe if you want to serve a bowl of soup.
#91 Good point. I read that the 75% of Lebanese in Australians are christians (despite christians being a minority in Lebanon).
Though it is true a lot of the high-profile trouble such as the gang rapes of a recent years came from the muslim-minority of the Lebanese community.
It would be interesting to find out more about the recent troublemakers like the guys arrested for lifesaver-bashing.
It’s all a bit hard to judge at this stage.
Racial violence by Leb gangs against Cronulla beachgoers has been going on for much longer than a decade. I remember in 1990 a colleague of mine who regularly surfed there complained of having been assaulted by a Leb gang at the railway station. It’s a testament to the patience and tolerance of non-Leb Cronulla beachgoers that they have taken this long to respond to some pretty outrageous and chronic provocation. Perhaps if the police had been as fervent in bashing Leb gangsters over the last 15 years as they were yesterday in bashing the surfies at the railway station, then the riots over the weekend mightn’t have happened. As has been pointed out, the rioters were throwing things at the ambulance because it had Leb gangsters inside, not because it was an ambulance. Given the level of muslim respect for the sanctity of medical services, I think it’s case of chickens coming home to roost. If yesterday’s riots can ram home through muslims’ thick fanatical heads that their barbarity can provoke retaliation, despite their collaborators in the media, government and academia, then the surfies have performed a valuable service. If any non-Lebs should be arrested, it should be the gutless PC-infected police hierarchy, who deserve all the contempt that surfies have for them.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 12 at 12:24 AM • permalinkOT
JOHN HOWARD is in fourth place behind Oriana Fallaci in
the International Anti Dhimmi of the year awards at Robert Spencer-s jihad watch.
http://jihadwatch.org/
(Hint Hint)Even in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers. Were the scattered Lebanese who ventured to Cronulla on Sunday really the same ones who attacked lifeguards and routinely harass local women? Who exactly were they “protecting” on Sunday?
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 12 at 12:27 AM • permalinkEven in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers.
Right.
If they’d organised some sort of volunteer beach patrol to keep the peace, they’d have won respect from all across the non-moonbat community.
Unfortunately, that’s not what happened.
Attacking ambulances? Trash.
..as a Floridian if I say PCB, you must know, what that means and where it is, right?...:).
El Cid: nope, I don’t know what that means. I was born and raised in Miami, lived there to the age of 36, moved to Central Florida where I have lived ever since. But I have no idea what “PCB” is. Florida’s a big state.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 12 12 at 12:41 AM • permalink#98; I agree. The police had a grand old time busting Anglo heads at Cronulla but were strangely absent at Maroubra later that night when a gang of ‘middle eastern males’ armed with machetes and baseball bats smashed up a couple of dozen cars and stabbed some poor bugger.
Even the police are scared of the leb gangs.Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 12 at 12:43 AM • permalinkOne point worth making is the role that the liberal media and PC control has likely had in creating the conditions for some of the more undesirable behavior among the white youth. PC’ism defines a very boolean moral universe, with the politically correct as the good, and the others as racists, Nazis, etc.
So what have these young men been taught? Throughout school, I am sure, they have been indoctrinated with do-goodisms, promotion of the almost mythical value of diversity, sensitivity, etc, and all the while told that their ancestors, the Anglo-Saxons, were oppressive, racists, genocidists, etc. Naturally when these kids get out in the real word and realize that PC’ism is just a set of mantras that adults use to deny reality, that reality does not match with theory, they have no understanding of any other way to pursue their (quite legitimate) interests in a firm but peaceful, intellectually developed manner. As it currently stands, if they (and the whole Australian nation, it seems) are going to be called racists and worse anyway, just for standing up for themselfs, they might well reason that it is just as well that they engage in racists name-calling, violence, etc.
Perhaps I am being naive to think that alcohol consumption plus a large group of teens and twenty-somethings could end any other way. However I think that it is none the less true that political correctness ultimately only makes these types of group conflicts worse, because it can’t prevent them, rather it only ensures that they will happen when the pent-up pressure and conflict exceed the threshold of the power the PC elite can exert.
Alright, the particulars of the events are disturbing, but, in spite of myself and my sympathy for any innocent muslims involved, I can’t help but feel somewhat heartened by seeing some Westerners vigorously defending civilization from insidious cultural encroachment. I think simply deriding both sides as “thugs” is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do. It’s an extension of the bullshit “cycle of violence” canard and simply perpetuates the “cycle of politically correct timidity” that has allowed this civilizational conflict to progress to this point.
By all means, arrest those who committed crimes and sentence them, but the value of the message of this kind of Western social solidarity, in my opinion, is great and shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand just to impress others with one’s sensitivity.
Certainly the number of people involved and their drunken “vigour” may have made this seem like some sort of impressive communal action, but as far as Cronulla’s problems go this was an act of total futility. Let’s get this straight: on Sunday there was no confrontation with the Lebanese gangs that have intimidated the area. They didn’t show up. The victims were as far as anyone knows completely blameless. So this was not even an act of retribution. As for the deterrent effect that some seem to think exists: the immediate retaliation in other suburbs seems to suggest that the “message” hasn’t struck that particular chord. How fearful can the gangs possibly be? Is the mob going to be there every Sunday? And regardless of the one-sidedness of the media, police and government, if you don’t realise that any future clean-up of Cronulla is going to have to be done with the acquiesence of all three, then you’re as politically clueless as the moonbats. This set the cause of decency in Cronulla - which is what the original protest was supposedly about - back a long way.
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 12 at 01:26 AM • permalink"Area residents accuse the visitors of being disrespectful and of sometimes intimidating other beach-goers.”
The BBC’s dozen or so words to “balnce” its web posting on the Cronulla WHite Racist riots!
Sometimes being intimidating?
they called little girls at beach swim classes “little tarts” just for wearing Western-style bathing suits
they threatened to rape a group of 16-year-olds
they stabbed a young man trying to protect several young girls from being raped
they beat up a Maori while rampaging in a suburb destroying cars
they beat up several life guards whose only “crime” was trying to save peoples’ lives
let the Spin Begin!Whoever is doing whatever, the police forces and the state gov’t there should act swiftly and certainly to contain the violence. The French Lesson, which the French have volunteered to provide us about every five years or so, is that you don’t give these cretins a long leash whether they are surf Nazis or Islamic Nazis. Grab ‘em, jail ‘em, charge ‘em, try ‘em, jail ‘em. If they are allowed to go on an extended romp you invite the French Solution, the French Situation, and the French Aftermath, which is that thousands of yobbos now now know that they can do whatever they please whenever they please.
This is offered free of charge - in accordance with EU regulations governing the inevitable stupidity of its member nations - as part of the full 13-day course which comprises the Complete French Lesson or,
La leçon française entière de la reddition pathétique et malchanceuse.Even in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers. Were the scattered Lebanese who ventured to Cronulla on Sunday really the same ones who attacked lifeguards and routinely harass local women? Who exactly were they “protecting” on Sunday?
Precisely. NOBODY has any excuse to act like that.
#105Zach owl.
Very good point. I know 15 year old lads, and they are not happy. They get verbally abused by those of a different colour, and there is nothing they can do about it. Apart from mediation.
If they respond, then they are sooks. If they don’t, they are pussies. If they go to the authorities then they are weak. Where disagreements used to be settled with a quick blue out the back, these days it’s back to the kumbaya circle. That’s no solution, and further emasculates our young men.
As for the perpetrators, well, they’ve been well indoctrinated in the schools on the complaints process.
Hell, if I’m feeling disenfranchised and powerless, and I’ve been there and done that, got my battle scars and all, then how will the young men be feeling about it all?
Where is their future headed?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 12 at 01:36 AM • permalinkHoward. Howard is the cause.
AKBAR THE GREAT
Posted by AKBAR THE GREAT! on 2005 12 12 at 01:40 AM • permalink#110: I think 5000 people showing up should give Morris Lemur pause for thought.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 12 at 01:45 AM • permalinkThe base economic issues are clear: poorly educated young people fuelled by anger, dispossession and booze/drugs, low incomes and poor job prospects, turning tribal.
Yeah, next thing you know, they’ll be living in trees and getting out the bongoes and smoking pot and ... oh, wait. That’s already happened - to the rich well educated North Shore students who ... next theory, please?
Let’s get this right: if muslims attack anyone the lefty no-brain media types would have us try to understand them and look for the famous “root causes.” Australians attack people and are immediately (and rightly) condemned as villains. Can’t these lefties work out that the second evil occurred because they were too craven and cowardly to report on the firs?
#115 - Yes Akbar - it’s also the fault of Bush, Rove, Halliburton, failure to sign the Kyoto agreement, global
warmingcoolingclimate change, the failure to say sorry to aborigines or any other moonbat cause…-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 12 at 02:08 AM • permalinkDeo:
It’s not quite right to say that the police were absent went the Lebs went on their rampage in Maroubra yesterday, if you check out Adrian the cabbie’s blog. Rather they were looking on from a respectful distance, warning non-Lebs not to ge too close. Of course if any Anglos had attempted to confront the rampaging Lebs, or driven 6 kph over the spped limit, you can be sure the police would have suddenly worked up the courage to attack the Anglos.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 12 at 02:14 AM • permalink116 #110: I think 5000 people showing up should give Morris Lemur pause for thought. not if his electorate is predominantly Muslim.
I am amazed at the preponderance of reporting and opinion quick to label Aussies as racist thugs. Combine Muslim apologists and a left wing media bias and I’m feeling defeated by PC bullshit artists. My hope is we can wake up and smell the troubles coming before it’s to late. Remember Lebanon was a Christian country and Beirut the Paris of the Middle East. Then the Muslims came.
Saw this article pointed out elsewhere, revealing the rising tide of crime by people of middle eastern origin, and the emasculation of the NSW Police Force by the suits nad big wigs who have No Clue.
http://www.australian-news.com.au/The rise of Middle Eastern crime in Australia.pdf
” is that you don’t give these cretins a long leash whether they are surf Nazis or Islamic Nazis. “
ah yes, those surf nazis who gang rape non surfers, routinely assault non surfers and who wish to inflict their surf culture on all others. damn those surf nazis…
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 12 at 03:00 AM • permalinkWhere were these heroic ninja-cops when machete-wielding Lebanese were tearing apart Maroubra last night?
The cops are afraid of the racism charges they’ll get hit with if they respond with force to Lebanese violence.
Read more here.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 12 at 03:07 AM • permalinkThat statement from Stepan Kerkyasharian was pretty bloody rich, considering that his organisation and those like it had a lot to do with making muslim gangsters believe (with good reason) that they were above the law. I’d love to see the surfies or the police give him as good a good beating as the surfies received at the hands of the police yesterday.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 12 at 03:08 AM • permalinkApologies HC44, I didn’t see that you’d already linked to it.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 12 at 03:09 AM • permalinkCall me cynical but I’m sure that at least some of Australia’s multicultural lobby are absolutely delighted with the riots.
Having long been envious of the situation in Great Britain, Europe and the United States, where race riots provided the leftists of those countries with obvious targets for condemnation, Australia’s left now has what it most desires - i.e. white Australians rioting in the streets and generally behaving in a manner that can be clearly labelled “racist”.
Of all the people who worked so hard over the past 30 to 40 years to create modern “multicultural” Australia, no doubt some were well-meaning, some merely naive, but there were definitely some whose intentions were malicious.
A violent, strife-torn Australia of race riots is surely fertile ground for the poisonous ideology of the extreme left—much more fertile than it was before multiculturalism.
#98
If yesterday’s riots can ram home through muslims’ thick fanatical heads that their barbarity can provoke retaliation, despite their collaborators in the media, government and academia, then the surfies have performed a valuable service. If any non-Lebs should be arrested, it should be the gutless PC-infected police hierarchy, who deserve all the contempt that surfies have for them.
Though I wouldn’t express it exactly like Jim did, he hits the nail on the head. I would add that the MSM is very much to blame for the lack of action from the police.
had a meeting this morning with 2 guys just co-incidentally associated with the cronulla surf club. one’s daughter has been complaining to him for months that when she goes to the beach & plonks herself down on the sand, she is hassled by junior jihadis asking why is she wearing so little clothing, is she a slut, etc etc. the police will do nothing. the lifesavers who intervene get themselves beaten up. this is not condoning the latest thuggery & violence, but erm isn’t australia known worldwide for its beach culture? if these guys can’t stand the sight of bikinis they should look the other way.
remember KK, these guys travelled from Lakemba to a Beach to be offended by Bikinis and beach culture in general.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 12 at 03:56 AM • permalinkI just watched some footage of the riot on telly. The mob had chased two ‘middle eastern males’ into a shop and the police were holding the mob back.
The two ‘middle eastern males’ had big grins on their faces and were taunting/giving the finger to the mob outside safe in the knowledge that our brave NSW police force ‘Would leave no Leb behind’.
(apologies to the U.S Army for the misuse of your slogan).Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 12 at 04:20 AM • permalinkNo justification for the ambo attack, but the coppers used it to ferry 2 uninjured chaps through the mob.
Coppers should know better and the ambos should have refused to allow an obvious manipulation to take place.
Id be interested to know who in the police ordered that particular tactic used. If it was higher up than the officers on the ground can anyone say “media set up?”Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 12 at 04:50 AM • permalinkStop blaming the cops and blame the magistrates and the court system.
Street cops get hounded to make more arrests, then get swamped in mountains of paperwork.
The way it works is crazy. The cop charges the crook. The crook heads off to court a few weeks later. The crook isn’t asked to plead guilty or not guilty - no - the cop has to produce a full brief of evidence. This outlines the entire case against the crook. The crook reads the brief, then decides if he should admit his guilt, or better still run with it in court.
Everyone shows up on the day. The crook has bought along a heap of mates to lie for him. Even if there is evidence that the crooks mates are lying its inadmissible unless it was served on the defence 14 days before the day of the hearing.
Crook gets off.
And charge people with what? Swearing on the beach? Ask Pat O’Shane about that - its not an offence to walk up to a group of cops, raise the middle finger and tell them to “get fucked” - not offensive.
Then again she dismissed charges against a group of ‘car enthusiasts of middle eastern appearance’ after they let rounds of at cops. One cop got peppered with bullets. Seems it was all the cops fault. Remember that?
http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s69597.htm
Read the link its brief.
You want to criticise people, save it for the spastics on the bench that don’t back up cops - hate cops even - and the tools that appoint and defend them - the State Government.
Only a moron couldn’t see this disgraceful Cronulla shitfight coming.
Posted by Ralph Wiggum on 2005 12 12 at 05:27 AM • permalinkAn observation on weaponry:
The “white racist rioters” used fists and beer bottles. So to me, its pretty obvious that this was just (simmering resentment over legitimate grievances)+(alcohol) = (inappropriate over-reaction).
But on the other hand, what did the Middle Eastern gangs who went to Maroubra a few hours later use?
Well, according to media reports and interviews with witnesses (and actual victims), they used:
- baseball bats
- machetes
- nail-gun (singular, as I’ve only heard one reference to it. It’s bad enough, so we shouldn’t embellish the point...)
- guns (to be fair, it wasn’t used so maybe it was possibly/hopefully a replica, but still....)All in all, I know which behaviour worries me more, and it’s not the over-reacting pissheads.
Nothing on the wire though just saw this elsewhere:
LAKEMBA MOSQUE RIOT (from Sky News)
A day after rioters stormed several Sydney beaches there are reports of more violence at a Mosque in Lakemba in the city’s south west.
Hundreds of people have gathered outside the Mosque and traffic is heavily congested.
Police are at the sight and are keeping a close eye on events.
There has been no reports of violence at this stage, but 2GB reporter Ilka Burnham, told Sky News tensions are running high.
I agree with Ralph about the frontline-cops. On the news tonight, they showed extensive video footage and photographs of what those two “ninja-cops” were doing at Cronulla Station.
I gotta hand it to them, they had balls, and quite possibly saved the lives of two blokes inside the train carriage. The photos were pretty awful..
From SkyNews.com.au:
The violence started at Cronulla after about 5000 people gathered at the beach, many were chanting racist comments and waving Australian flags. The rioters then moved on to other beach suburbs, vandalising cars and targeting innocent individuals.
Ah, so the rioters at Cronulla were also respobsible for Maroubra! Looks like the media is being as deliberately inept as it can to distort the picture.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 12 at 05:57 AM • permalinkI was going to make this point earlier...Lebanese Christians, in fact all Middle-Eastern Christians are no different to European immigrants if you ask me. The problem, no surprises here, is the alienation of Middle-Eastern youth caused by Islam. Plain and simple!
Re: #62. Maybe you should have a chat with the police! Remember what former NSW Police Commisioner Ryan said a few years back, the current crop of Lebanese thugs are the sons of the men who destroyed Lebanon. I can name at least 8 suburbs in Sydney where Islamic gangs intimidate people. My own included.
During WW2 english resident Germans were sent to the Isle of Mann where they were kept in camps. The British of course also sent many refugee German jewsto these camps ignorant of the fact that they would be brutalized and even killed by the Nazi Inmates.
It seems incredible that the British were so ignorant.
50 years later Australia made the same mistakes at Woomera. Many of the lebanese Maronites. assyrians christians, persian bahias, Egyptien Copts came to Australia tp escape islamic persecution and were TRUE refugees.
They were good people who integrated into Australian Life, grateful for their new freedom from oppression.
they were soon followed by their islamic oppressors,and indeed were also NOT seperated from their targets at Woomera.Muslims Assault Non-Muslim in Immigration Detention Centres
20 May 2002
A deeply disturbing scandal has emerged in Australia’s immigration detention centres where Christians and other non-Muslim
asylum-seekers have been “stoned, assaulted, sexually harassed and
abused by Islamic fanatics”.
Reza, an Iranian Christian, was blinded in one eye last August when a group of Afghan Muslim men stoned Christians leaving the
dining hall in Woomera detention centre
In December 2001 an eighteen-year-old Mandean girl
(a small religious group which follows the teachings of John the Baptist) was shouted at by Muslim men in a dining hall who called
her a “dirty, filthy infidel” who shouldn’t be allowed to serve food to Muslims.
In a similarly shocking incident a blind Mandean man was seized by Muslim men, held down and defecated on before being left in a locked toilet. In other
incidents non-Muslim girls have faced sexual harassment and verbal
abuse because they do not wear Islamic veils, the doorways
of Mandean asylum seekers have been defecated in, and a local
Islamic mullah has even called for a jihad (holy war) against
Mandeans at the Port Hedland detention centre.Non-Muslim men, women, and even children, many of whom fled
Muslim-majority countries like Iran in the first place because they were being persecuted for their faith, are now facing
abuse of a horrific nature from Muslim conservatives
in Australia’s detention centres. The majority of asylum seekers in Australia are Muslims. Witnesses say that extremist Shiah
Muslims, particularly Iranians, Afghans and Iraqis, are often those behind the violence. The BBC quotes Dr Graham Thom, Amnesty
International’s Refugee Co-ordinator, as saying “The reports we’re hearing say that Mandeans, Tamils and other Hindus,
Christians - in particular Christian converts - are facing violence or threats of violence from certain Islamists within the detention centres. They are being called infidels. They are being refused access to kitchens and things like that because people think they are unclean as infidels. This has escalated at times when there is a serious breakdown of order within the detention centre when there are riots and things like that and these groups, who often refuse to participate in riots, are physically assaulted.”This is the untold truth of Woomera and Port Headland.(A hell hole for GENUINE refugees)and the oppressors are the people being idolised by Australia’s lunatic left.
read it all at domini.org
These are the people we have taken in as bona fide immigrants and are now reaping the fruits of the idiocies of previous governments.This is just a lilliputian version of what is happening in the world at large. It is a cultural clash, and people are going to get hurt. If you play against hardened survivors with no compunctions about the methods they use, it becomes a game of biggest bastard wins. That is the Middle Eastern Way.
If the left and the wet end of the media are going to criticise any toughness or bastardry to such an extent that the west is ultimately powerless to fight this adversary, the end result will be grim. And very grim for the left/media/arts alliance too.
Iran is currently demonstrating, to a greater degree than the delinquent (but really just a paper tiger drug and arms dealer) North Korea, that extreme toughness and bastardry will be required.
Watch out for Chineses activity in aid and arms deals to Africa, too. They are using profits from selling western countries gizmos to fund their expansion of influence.Buttle
I grew up in the surf culture in Southern California, and we have some pretty bad boys on the beach over here. I’ve also been there and observed the same group only with Aussie accents. Other than the accent, they looked identical and had identical attitudes. We call ‘em surf Nazis. It’s a moniker
wethey wear proudly.What my post was about, however, wasn’t what to call
usthese yobs but how to avoiding learning the French Lesson the hard way. If you looked closely, there was more written beneath what you quoted. It addresses the problem of letting the mob run wild without dealing with it. I understand that the police seem to be unwilling to bust the MEs because they don’t want to be accused of racism, etc., and my solution was - grip your skull with both hands, Buttle - arrest all of them and settle them out later. It may well turn out that 500 Muslims and only one surf dope are guilty of anything. Great. Just scoop them all up, first. I think the rest is self-explanatory.In case anyone thinks that this has “nothing to do with Muslims”, they should know that thousands of Muslims are, right now, parading through Lakemba, shouting “Allahu Akbar!”
They’re claiming that they’re out to “protect their people”. From all those surfer gangs that come to Lakemba, no doubt.
Oh and the march started after a service. They have been whipped up by those lovely “moderate” Imams.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 12 at 06:12 AM • permalinkMr Howard suffers fools (press conference this afternoon):
JOURNALIST: Do you think anything the Government said over the last few years has set the tone for the actions on the weekend?
PRIME MINISTER: Which Government?
JOURNALIST: Your Government.
PRIME MINISTER: My Government? No certainly not. What do you have in mind?
JOURNALIST: Your position on Iraq….
PRIME MINISTER: My position on Iraq?
JOURNALIST: Do you think that’s had any influence on people feeing alienated?
PRIME MINISTER: Well my position… my position on Iraq? You’ve got to be joking.
...JOURNALIST: Why has it taken you until now to condemn this situation? It’s been building up for a week or (inaudible) a month?
PRIME MINISTER: Me? Well I would have thought that condemning something before yesterday, when… what was I going to condemn?
JOURNALIST: Well pressure’s been building up. I mean publicity’s been…
PRIME MINISTER: What was I supposed to do?
JOURNALIST: Perhaps you could have called for calm earlier, perhaps…
PRIME MINISTER: Oh, call for calm, yes.
And media hacks wonder why they are held in contempt.
Posted by walterplinge on 2005 12 12 at 06:28 AM • permalink#152 Media hacks wonder why they’re held in contempt because they’re stupid.
A neat little Readers Digest report
Interesting that Greenpeace gets a ‘least trusted’ vote in there as well.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 12 at 06:38 AM • permalinkwalterplinge - LOL! That has to be the most egregious example of the crap press questions the PM gets daily.
I mean....the HELL?
Posted by Quentin George on 2005 12 12 at 06:48 AM • permalinkJust saw the 7:30 Report on ABC and were interviewing one of the victims of the mob. He said that while he was on the ground getting kicked and punched, an “Aussie” lay on top of him to protect him from further attacks.
That guy should get a medal.
Posted by Graeme Klass on 2005 12 12 at 06:49 AM • permalinkEKW
You went with the classic moral equivalence - the attackers (Lebs who’ve been at it for years, who have a track record of pack rape, unprovoked attacks, a laundry list of crimes and had to travel to the beach to be offended by beach culture) are the people you equated with residents who finally snapped after years of victimisation and no support from police, courts or their state govt.
I grew up in Cronulla, forgive me EKW, if your ill informed opinion on this subject, based on your ‘Southern Californian experience’, is of little interest to me.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 12 at 07:09 AM • permalinkOh, not to worry. Found it: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/story.asp?id=82892
102 Andrea
El Cid: nope, I don’t know what that means. I was born and raised in Miami, lived there to the age of 36, moved to Central Florida where I have lived ever since. But I have no idea what “PCB” is. Florida’s a big state.
Well although 150 miles or so wide, Florida does seem like it’s 3000 miles long...:). Had a business trip that started in Pensacola and wound up in Miami...thought I’d never get from point A to B.
PCB is Panama City Beach, panhandle of Florida. Have property there, live elsewhere at this moment...but still have the Beach place that allows me the opportunity to let the surf wash all the nasty crap from my mind, on occasion.
Apologize for the tardiness of reply.
#152
Do we know who the journo was?????Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 12 12 at 07:57 AM • permalinkAndjam: before Lebenese immigration to Australia, we never had:
* driveby shootings
* police stations being blown up
* racist gang rapes of young Australian women
* 9 year old girls called ‘tarts’ because they dont wear hijabs or mantoos
* people who call themselves ‘religious leaders’ telling their followers to treat Australia and Australians as the enemy
* the production and dissemmination of hate literature against Australia
* constant demands that we change our way of life and social mores to suit Islamic immigrants
* so called ‘imans’ and ‘sheiks’ announcing that their aim is to make Australia an Islamic stateDid I leave anything out ...
I have lived in Sydney for most of my life and seen several waves of migration, but never have I seen people who behave as these people do. The problem here is not ‘beach gangs’ or ‘racists’ (unless you are referring to the groups of Lebenese Muslims who spend their weekends hassling and threatening women and others too weak to fight back) - the problem is violent gangs of Islamic thugs and Australians who have had enough of their savagery.
The commentary in the UK is focusing on NSW Police Minister, Carl Scully’s remarks that the perpetrators are “neo-nazis and white supremacists”.
Posted by pommygranate on 2005 12 12 at 08:03 AM • permalink#160 It’d be a laugh if it was Paul Bongiorno, the dickhead who got savaged by John Howard at the press conference with Tony Blair immediately after the London bombings.
But then there are so many other dickhead journos to choose from.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 12 at 08:08 AM • permalinkHere’s something interesting
Point 8 sticks out in my mind as a possible “root cause”.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 12 12 at 08:17 AM • permalinkWell I’m blowed !
the only channel offering a fair view of the cronulla incidents is unbelievably the Australian ABC TV!
Cahnnel 7 and Ten are launching into white rscism attacks and interviewing every dhimmy available and are expressly blaming John Howard for bringing in the new anti terror laws.
What is going on here!It is surely time for Carl Scully and Commissioner Moron...ey to resign. In Australia Governments keep bringing in tougher and tougher legislation, from terror to petty crime. The laws aren’t the problem it is the lack of will to enforce them. Let’s start with the series of attacks on people on the beach. How many were arrested and charged? I bet none. Then we have the life savers being beaten up. Lots of mobile phone photos, noone charged. Then you have the average bloke jacked off and taking the law into their own hands. Once again inexcusable criminal behaviour. The Police allowed alcohol to be served to this crowd. Let me recall what is in Riots 101 yeah that’s right, alcohol+crowds+heat+grievance+empowerment = violent riot. So did the Police enforce the no alcohol zone? No they let the crowd build up and get tanked up. Did they stop the bottle shop or pub serving alcohol (before it was too late) under the responsible service of alcohol rules? No. Did they break up the crowd? No, did they stop the incitement with a few early arrests? No. They sat back and watched a riot of illegal behaviour unfold. The Police inaction undoubtedly emboldened the crowd turning it from a drunken group into a rioting mob. Then we have the next set of incidents. It is almost certain, given the numbers of ‘aggrieved’ Muslims who responded by rioting in the wrong parts of town - nowhere near Cronulla, that this was a planned response. Once again did the Police arrest drivers with weapons in their cars? No, did they quickly respond to stop crowds of Muslims smashing property? No. The result is where we are now. The Police have allowed themselves to be treated with contempt by both sides. This has emboldened both to become violent. Whatever the outcome nothing good will come of it and the ongoing tension and disharmony can be sheeted home to police stupidity in the face of direct provocation. It is time for Moron...ey and Scully to do the decent thing and resign. Bring in a Police Minister and Commissioner who have the will to apply the law, without fear or favour, equally to all. Until we have the will to enforce the law we are at the mercy of those who will act in its absence.
Posted by platey mates on 2005 12 12 at 09:34 AM • permalinkArabs in Australia Retaliate for Violence
Retaliate? And here I thought the
bastardsislamapsychopaths started this.Goes to show what length, propagandists and potstirrers will go to sell ‘news’. Keep in stirred long enough and hell they will have assured another “useful idiot” getting a Pulitzer, maybe even a worthless Nobel.
Former Sydney Detective Tim Priest has weighed in with a piece in The Australian.
For those not familiar with Priest, you must read the article linked to by #57, and again here.
"However, tensions between youngsters of Arabic descent and white Australians have been rising in recent years, largely because of anti-Muslim sentiment fueled by the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States and deadly bombings on the Indonesian island of Bali that killed 88 Australians in October 2002.”
It makes you wonder if they even asked anyone.
I’ve always been surprised at the number of lefties who acknowledge that controlling information is a source of power, even though they usually acknowledge it furthering their own attacks. I wonder what the journalist split is between those burying the truth for political reasons vs those just completely incompetent.
Posted by mjones8627 on 2005 12 12 at 10:22 AM • permalink“However, tensions between youngsters of Arabic descent and white Australians have been rising in recent years, largely because of anti-Muslim sentiment fueled by the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States and deadly bombings on the Indonesian island of Bali that killed 88 Australians in October 2002.”
I call bulls**t on that one. Pure spin.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 12 at 10:34 AM • permalinkFrom the abc site you would not have a clue what was going on where and with whom..
“Young people are gathering here,a group is forming there..” so politically correct that you have no idea who they are referring to and where they are gathering.
Is that journalism?
Latest headlines indicate media crews at some sites are being pelted with objects and told by “protesters” of some description to leave.Whoever these protesters are let me congratulate you on getting one thing right.``... I just heard a BBC World Service report, broadcasted on ABC News Radio, which referred to Cronulla as “Cronoola”
OK, please enlighten an ignorant Yank. How is it supposed to be pronounced?
Posted by Sonetka's Mom on 2005 12 12 at 10:48 AM • permalinkThanks to yy4u:
Islamists fighting Hindus in Kashmir
Islamists fighting Orthodox in Russia
Islamists fighting Athiests in China
Islamists fighting Buddhists in THailand
Islamists killing Americans in America (9/11)
Islamists enslaving anamists in Africa
Islamists fighting Jews in Israel
Islamists fighting Christians in Nigeria, and elsewhere
Islamists fighting Islamists in Egype, Saudi
Islmaists blowing up trains in London
Islamics torching cars in Paris
& I might add:
Islmaists blowing up Bali
Islmaists blowing up trains in Madrid
Islmaists beheading Irquis, et. al.Australians bashing Islamics in Australia.
Paybacks are hell!Is it not possible that people have become fed up with governmental institutions which are supposed to keep the peace but instead turn their backs on the Muslims abusing girls and pregnant women on their beaches, as well as bashing young men for their money, all in the name of PC?
Davo #168
Personally, I discovered about 6 months ago that ABC news wasn’t that bad. I must admit I was surprised at first! I generally steer clear of the news on TV and stick to the paper, but if I feel the need to watch news on TV, ABC news is usually the lesser of the evils.
Sure, ABC news has a left-wing bias to it, but at least I know what the bias is and I just learn to put everything they say through a filter on all their Australia news and ignore their world news. 9, 7, and 10 are just like overdramatised womens’ magazines with their live reporting from the venue. I never know what spin they will put on a story from one day to the next. They lurch from cause to cause and are all over the place.
I have left out SBS news as it to me is the worst of the lot. I must admit I am surprised on the bagging that ABC gets compared to SBS. Both are government funded (albeit differently), but the world news on SBS is so bad. I just wish SBS would stick to sport and foreign language movies.
#176: Sonetka’s Mom: The vernacular pronunciation of “Cronulla”:
Krnullah (the dominant syllable rhymes with “mud")
Posted by Steve at the pub on 2005 12 12 at 12:43 PM • permalinkForget the fact that these surf gangs are a mix of Tongan, Fijian and Anglo guys, I blame Whitey. Go ahead and blame the surfer trash culture. Yeah they aren’t as organized as the muslim horde and haven’t adopted the Islamic hit and run, throw a Ute on the barbie tactic yet.
In fact the surf punks are out classed by what we could call a high tech swarm approach used by the cellphone savvy muslim drug peddlers and car bashers. The surfers show up at a drunken rally waving flags while the muslims fan out and bash cars, rape skip girls and celebrate back at the mosque.
They took away Christmas.
Muslims 1 Sydney 0
Check it out, dude. Retired Aussie cop discusses Middle-Eastern Crime in Australia:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 12 at 12:51 PM • permalinkStats 177
Islamists fighting Athiests in China
“Atheists.” Damn it.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 12 12 at 01:27 PM • permalinkMojo, that is one of the longest running surfer grafitti ever. And they do mean it. However, after reading these posts, I am now slowly coming to realize in this Sydney beaches thing, that the Muslims are, at least as far as I can gather, much worse than any of our gangs ever were. I can completely understand how the surf dopes over there couldn’t organize themselves for shit while the Moooslims are much better at it. It would appear that the imams are down with the activities of their yooots, so no help there.
It really is up to the cops and the state government there to put down the violence quickly. It will inevitably result in the Mooslims screaming about racism and police brutality, but the cops may very well have to use some brutality, i.e. nightsticks, tear gas, tasers, etc. to gain control. If it takes their equivalent of the National Guard, then they have to use it.
At first I thought it was a more typical kind of beach riot, the kind we have from time to time on the beaches in Southern California. But this is different. The kinds of things the Mooslims are willing to do, the underlying Wahabism (girls are sluts for wearing bathing suits, etc.) is pretty alarming. What we have are ultra-rightist, reactionary vanguards attempting to impose a slackers form of Sharia on Australians. That’s just not going to happen.
Buttle
I never said there was any moral equivalency between the groups. What you’re doing is a version of a false argument game with me. You start with one section only of an argument, criticise it, then jump to another, newer post and argue that knowing that I am still arguing my main point. Cute, but a familiar tactic. You haven’t addressed the main point of my original post which is simply this: the authorities need to act to protect everyone. Again: let the f*cking magistrate sort them out later.
I have no doubt that the Muslims started everything, and no doubt at all that this has been going on for years now. However, in our democratic society - yours and ours - the police are supposed to act with as much fair-handedness as possible under the circumstances. This is at the very root of our shared democratic values. Otherwise, who’s safe, eh, mate?
None of this presupposes moral equivalency, however. Moral equivalency implies that both sides are equally guilty or innocent based on a radical perception of democracy as seen through the lens of multiculturalism. It further implies that they are equal in their actions and values and therefore should be seen as just two sides of the same coin. I never made that kind of analysis. I was arguing for expediency when confronted with a growing mob situation and acting quickly and firmly to forestall further violence. Clearly that was not done, and I hear the rioting continues apace. Too bad. However, that has absolutely nothing whatever to do with an argument for moral equivalency.
For some interesting looks at one kind of moral equivalency and where it leads, The Ashbrook Center.
EKW -
Bullshit “is that you don’t give these cretins a long leash whether they are surf Nazis or Islamic Nazis”
You have equated the surfies with the islamics - calling both sides NAZIS.
The “surf Nazis” as you so charmingly call them, are the long suffering residents of a beach side area, who, lacking police protection, govt assistance or support in the courts over several decades were finally pushed too far by an assault on lifesavers.
The “islamic Nazis” travel some distance to be offended by the local culture, routinely group assault Aussie males, abuse and threaten women, have a culture of pack rape, violence and crime.
Calling both parties Nazis with absolutely NO experience of the real situation just exposes your ignorance, you may or may not have “surf nazis” in So Cal, but don’t for a second believe that your experience on that side of the world means you know the situation in Cronulla - and only a fool would continue to argue that they do with someone who has lived there.
Read your own original post, all the weasel words in the world wont change it now - you equated the victims of decades of abuse with their abusers. and you should be ashamed of yourself for it.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 13 at 01:47 AM • permalink186
Stoop DD#183: Yes, you’re right, not only fighting China athiests but also atheists in China. And not only anamists, but also animists in Africa. In fact, the Religion of Peace is an equal-opportunity murder machine.
Oh I doubt that I’m right about THAT many things. But I’m pretty sure I’m right about the spelling of “atheists.” “Animists,” too, now’t ya mention it. Knee-jerk thang; can’t he’p it.
Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2005 12 13 at 03:42 PM • permalink
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A bit of law reform might help prevent incidents like this in future.
The British idea of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) could be introduced here.