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Wild scenes at a Sydney beach:
Racial tension turned to violence today as at least 5000 angry people converged on the beach after simmering anger and disputes between beach users flared last week.
An ambulance spokesman said crews had treated at least five people after pockets of violence broke out among the crowd ...
He could not comment on a report that a girl of Middle Eastern appearance had been pushed over and was kicked repeatedly as she lay on the ground.
Let’s hope that report turns out to be untrue. Other (confirmed) reports are almost as disgusting:
Two ambulance officers were injured when an angry mob attacked their vehicle.
The ambulance was transporting six injured youths under police escort when the crowd descended upon the vehicle and began hurling beer bottles.
How did this situation come to be? Splat Guy puts together a concise time-line:
* Last weekend some people, probably Lebanese Muslims, bashed a bunch of lifeguards at Cronulla Beach, including knocking one unconscious. They also harassed girls and women on the beach.
* Residents, pissed off by the violence, got angry at the lack of police attendance and presence.
* The anger morphed into a rage that the beach was being “invaded” by people from the western suburbs (i.e., a euphemism for Lebanese Muslims).
* Some people started texting to incite others to “defend the beach” from thugs.
* Today they did that by forming a violent, rowdy, mob.
To be honest with you, I was quite surprised that such a group of chavs and bogans was able to organise themselves, let alone through the weak social network of SMS. The anthropological implications are fascinating.
Absolutely. Nilknarf, Yarra Boy, Davie, Skylark and Disasterplan have views; meanwhile, other Sydney beaches are now witnessing payback violence:
Reports on radio station 2GB indicated up to 50 vehicles with passengers armed with “baseball bats” had been causing trouble in Maroubra, in Sydney’s east.
Sky News reported that a group of people in cars and with baseball bats, bits of wood and stakes, had “slammed every single car” in some streets.
One eyewitness reported every car in a section of Maroubra Road had had their windows and windscreens smashed, and glass was littering the road.
There were also reports of crowd trouble at beachside suburbs of Kyeemagh and Brighton Le Sands, in Sydney’s south.
The above report doesn’t say so, but our bat-wielding friends are of “Middle Eastern appearance”, at least according to police radio. There’s just as many idiots on the opposing side:
Went to cronulla today… Was great, only saw 3 leb’s… and they were being taken away in ambulances...lol
Here’s another winner:
hahahaha sucked in wogs u all ran like a fucking girls, We showed you were the dominant race and we reclaimed Cronulla, AUSSIE PRIDE, good on ya shire boyz
The dominant race? Nice. Real nice. Round ‘em up—all of them, from both sides—charge ‘em, convict ‘em, jail ‘em.
UPDATE. Good point from J.F. Beck: “Racism doesn’t account for attacks on police and ambulance officers. Alcohol and yobbos, the perfect combination.”
UPDATE II. Stepan Kerkyasharian, president of the Anti-Discrimination Board of NSW: “Let us all get behind our police force and bring the perpetrators to justice, regardless of their background.”
UPDATE III. Video and more here.
UPDATE IV. Adrian the cabbie: “It was around 9 pm last night when I heard news of the riot. Having just dropped off a fare in Paddington I turned for the Airport when a message appeared onscreen, RIOT MARINE PDE MAROUBRA BCH POLICE ATTENDING KEEP CLEAR. I headed for Maroubra.”
UPDATE V. “Cronulla” is currently the top search term at Technorati.
UPDATE VI. Gary Sauer-Thompson:
The base economic issues are clear: poorly educated young people fuelled by anger, dispossession and booze/drugs, low incomes and poor job prospects, turning tribal.
Gary obtains this “clear” understanding of the issues from his home in Adelaide.
UPDATE VII. It’s all John Howard’s fault:
Howard’s fascist racist chickens are coming home to roost as events in Cronulla evidence.
Howard the Liar must take the blame for these actions, he is a shameful example of what Australia has become and its time for the majority of Australians who do not share these racist and war mongering views of his to KICK HIM OUT!
Howard’s racist ‘anti-terrorism’ laws have so successfully marginalised Australians whose heritage is Middle Eastern that we are now in a situation where mob violence has taken over the beaches and streets of parts of Sydney. The sight of thousands of drunken hooligans claiming to be ‘true Aussies’ was really quite sickening and reminiscent of the thugs dressed in brown shirts that chased Jews and communists around the streets of Munich.
This is a decade of Howard and Hanson coming home to roost ... it has come from John Howard stoking the fires of racism for his own benefit.
Everytime Howard used the refrain of nationalism in the gestural politics of migrants and refugees he consolidated his sovereign position as the populist Pide Piper playing a simple tune that can be hummed by anyone.
Hmm. The author presumably didn’t intend to describe Howard as a piper of Turkish bread. Hey, maybe it’s all George Bush’s fault:
The war on terrorism is the context for Cronulla.
UPDATE VIII. Davo comments:
The only channel offering a fair view of the Cronulla incidents is unbelievably the Australian ABC TV! Channel 7 and Ten are launching into white rascism attacks and interviewing every dhimmy available and are expressly blaming John Howard for bringing in the new anti-terror laws. What is going on here!
Keysar Trad blames talk back radio for inciting racial hatred. I think he needs to ask why this is happening. Let’s get to the root cause of Anglo anger. Lets apply the golden “why” rule and see if there are any extenuating circumstances excusing this behaviour, there always semms to be one for muslims. Then we can have Morris Iemma promise to do better in meeting Australian aspirations for a peaceful day at the beach.
On the one hand, trouble-making imams could be preaching hate in the mosques so that young Muslim men will go out and commit violence, thus provoking a backlash, in order to further Islamic jihad.
On the other hand, trouble-making thugs could be preaching hate to their gangs so that young Anglo/nominally Christian men will go out and commit violence, thus provoking a backlash, in order to further Muslim-hatred.
In all nations, at all times, these people feed on each other.
This is an appalling and dangerous development. I guess we should have seen it coming. This could be a long hot summer.
Naturally it’s only the lunatics who will benefit from this. Apparently the neo-nazis have wasted no time making hay and you do not need much imagination to guess what the Islamist rabble rousers around Sydney and further are doing right now.
To be honest with you, I was quite surprised that such a group of chavs and bogans was able to organise themselves, let alone through the weak social network of SMS. The anthropological implications are fascinating.
Them boys musta bin snorting thet Rooshin squirrel blood…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 11 at 12:25 PM • permalinkI’m sorry but I despise the Lebanese. I’m sure there are nice Lebanese Australians, decent old guys who run newsstands, lawyers, doctors and people who just get along. But I have to assume that because the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered have been vicious moronic thugs. I’ve born witness to a dozen screaming shoving matches out the front of Oxford street nightclubs, been insulted and threatened on Bondi’s esplanade, the list goes on.
Who was it that fired on that police station?
Okay I’ll give you one story, ONE, and this is the tip of the iceberg, and after this you can Diagnose me as a bigot if you like. This is not one of those “Some of my best friends are Lebanese, BUT..” stories because I don’t have any Lebanese friends because I hate them.
When I was a callow youth just out of uni, I lived visited Sydney briefly and stayed with my then girlfriend. She lived out in Ryde, so I had a long commute into the CBD and back. The bus had an ‘express’ and an ‘all stops’ version, clearly marked. It didn’t matter to me, I was the last stop. One of our colorful ethnic friends from the “Paris of the Middle East’, got on, and got up to get off, but he had dumbly got on the express and the bus didn’t stop at his station. Most people would have sighed in exasperation and sat back down, not this guy.
He went berserk. And I mean berserk, shrieking abuse at the bus driver as he tried to explain that he couldn’t get off here, then, and I swear to god I’m not exaggerating, HE GRABBED THE STEERING WHEEL AND YANKED IT.
Let me just give you a second for that to sink in. There were thirty people on that bus.
The bus swerved dangerously, the driver hit the brakes and let him out, he was screaming, leaping up and down like a chimpanzee, and, as an especially charming finishing touch, as the doors closed he spat full on the glass.
That’s ONE story, I have half a dozen, though I admit that’s probably the craziest. My friend’s a Canadian who’s only been in Oz for three years but already has two Lebo stories that involve violence and threats against him, one of them very serious. HE’S BEEN IN THE GODDAMN COUNTRY THREE YEARS. I do genuinely wish the whole revolting, thuggish, pig-ignorant, foulmouthed rabble would be thrown out, and I wouldn’t say that of any other ethnic group. I’m a big fan of immigration. Just not Arabs. And especially not the Lebanese.
The Australian yobbos in this story have acted like idiots and should be arrested, especially for the cowardly attack on that girl, but there was no trouble in Cronulla beach until GUESS WHO arrived.
I’m visiting Aus this Xmas with my Japanese girlfriend.
“Welcome to Australia. This is a koala. This is a kangaroo. This is one of our delightful muslim rape gangs. This is one of our charming race riots.”
But yes, I’m sure these “tensions” are all the fault of “talkback radio and rednecks”, I’m so ashamed to be Australian, etc.
Posted by Drunk Fade on 2005 12 11 at 01:10 PM • permalink"(Sobbing) Why do they hate us? (Wringing hands)”
Posted by Mystery Meat on 2005 12 11 at 01:36 PM • permalinkAmos: There’s lots of Lebs around my area (Thornleigh) and they don’t cause any trouble, I dare speculate the fact that they’re mostly Australian born Christians probably has something to do with it. The moment that Keysar Trad came on the news I suddenly realised that the “lebs” were Muslims and mumbled “that explains it”. Whoever joined in on what the original SMS called “Leb and wog bashing day” is a stupid yob but well.....the Islamic-Surfie Kulturkampf was a disaster waiting to happen. I’m not good with geography but Cronulla is the closest beach from Lakemba, right?
the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered have been vicious moronic thugs
Wow, lucky me, in Florida the only Lebanese I’ve ever encountered run restaurants where they serve delicious food.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 12 11 at 02:00 PM • permalinkThe only Lebanese story I have is from a guy who attended the Pakistan-Australia cricket test in Perth last year.
He was one of the roid boys who spends all day at the gym, came into the stand right at the front, took off his shirt and started yelling: “PAKISTAN! YEAH!!!”. Like that repeatedly.
He obviously wasn’t Pakistani, as the Pakistani bloke sitting next to us was quick to point out.
After about half an hour of this bullshit, someone yelled out “Hey mate, where in Pakistan are you from?”
His reply: “Calcutta!”.
Knob.
Perhaps these incidents however disgraceful,racist and “un australian” will send a message to the militant troublemakers of the islamic community that Australian people are not French people and they do not bend over to be kicked in the arse for the sake of multiculturism after you have attacked them.
In fact they are just as ignitable as the islamic community
Well i guess we can expect some dead of the night car burnings, but i doubt John Howard who is not known for his dhimmitued , will put this down to the reactions of “alienated disadvantaged youth” al la Chirac.
OR perhaps we are witnessing the first resistance in the west to this type of statement (so common these days) from AP
CAIRO, Egypt - Osama bin Laden’s deputy, in a new tape that surfaced Sunday, urged all Muslims to take up arms and said their refusal to join the fight against “the Cross and Zionism” was a “malignant illness” that would only lead to the defeat of militant Islam.
Egyptian-born Ayman al-Zawahri said the global Islamic community had “no hope for victory” until all Muslims signed on to the Al Qaeda-led jihad.
Andrea
Did you check if your lovely restaurant owners were in fact dispossesed Maronite Christians who fled Lebanon after the invasion of the PLO and Syrians ?Dave S. makes a good point.
Sometimes, these sort perpetuators are simply people looking to cause trouble, and use racism as an excuse. There’s no reason why the Lebanon Muslims are just a bunch of assholes, similar to the yobbos who attacked the woman. Or any bunch of idiots I’ve seen hanging around public areas. I recall similar problems from bike gangs here in the States years ago.....which was dealt with in a similar fashion.
“Racism” is often a card played by “progressives” to push an emotional button, or as a means to re-define the offenders as victims. Racism does exist, but racism isn’t always the reason for problems such as these beach fights. Or if racism is the cause, it’s sometimes “reverse racism” (a silly term, IMHO, but it is descriptive).
Playing the “racist” card just diverts people from what may be the real problem: a bunch of assholes who happen to be Muslims from Lebanonese familiies.
I’d also like to mention that I’ve know several decent Lebanonese. One was an officer in the Lebanonese Army, back in 1979. He was polite, professional, and very intelligent. Not an asshole in any way.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 11 at 03:18 PM • permalinkFrom what I have read the police are partially blame for this getting out of hand. If they had done something about the gangs of youths harassing beach goers things would have gotten this nuts now would they? Or is the politically correct thing to do just sit there and take it?
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 12 11 at 03:34 PM • permalinklet’s face reality.....the muslim lebs have declared war on aussies and have been waging a terror campaign for the best part of a decade or more.
sydney is the new beruit with a green line splitting the city, lebs out west and aussies in the east.
the lebs have used their rape squads to terrorise the white population and mindless acts of violence against ‘skips’ is standard operating procedure.
not all lebs behave like this but there is a substantial gangsta sub culture within that community that has no respect for the law or the aussie culture.
the problem started in the early 80’s i think when thousands of lebs were allowed to emigrate to australia without proper background checks. apparently many lebs from certain villages who were already anti social and criminals and involved in the civil war were allowed in and these families and their off spring are the main trouble makers.
The real jeffs
up here on the coast , i have met many extremely hospitable,sociable and pleasant Lebanese, Iranians and Egyptians, but coincidence ? they are all Maronite, Copts , Bahias and Zaroastrians.
They are indistinguishable from the Islamic militants to the Yobbo communities who seek revenge. This Happens also in England ( eg Bradford) where Sikhs and Hindus are mistaken for muslim militants and beaten up by Brit yobs.
Of course the yobs of Cronulla are offenders, but the original offenders are the Muslims who terrorise Cronulla beach and call the bikini clad Aussie girls, whores.
This is not a “Cycle of Violence” , it is an unauthorised RESPONse to aggressions that havw been largely ignored by the Police commissioner who call the actions of the yobs “UnAustralian” but has not applied the same epithet to the earlier actions of the Muslim gangs.
In France, on the Med, remote beaches were assigned to Nudists. Perhaps what the Muslims really want is an Islamic beach.No argument, davo.
I should have been clearer: I don’t doubt at all the Lebanonese Muslims started the problem. I think that people playing the racist card ("Well, of course Muslims are rioting! They’re oppressed in Australia, They just need to be understood!") is not appropriate.
I had an argument with David “Mushtaq Omar” Heidelberg over on Evil Pundit’s blog a while ago on a very similar subject, having to do with courtesy or rudeness being a cultural aspect. Omar was “offended” because a guest posting there postulated that Mulisms tend to be rude because of their culture. He whipped out the racist card, and was promptly smacked down by several people.
It’s likely the same thing here. Indeed, you point out that the Lebanonese that you know as hospitable and pleasant are not Muslim.
I just don’t want the non-Muslims participating in these riots to get away scott free. Muslim or not, knocking down someone and kicking them on the ground is wrong. There are yobbos in all cultures. I will say that this sort of behavior is the exception rather than the rule in most western nations, including Australia.
But, again, I agree—from the reports, the Lebanonese gangs brought this upon them by their behavior. They need a good ass whupping. But riots are never pretty. I hope the police get their act together.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 12 11 at 04:13 PM • permalinkI’ll admit. I have no soft spot for rioters. And blaming your own actions on the rioters simply...excuses your barbarism on account of their perceived barbarism.
By all means if thugs assault someone nearby, feel free to grab a posse (Or a firearm if you live in the US) and go judiciously prod buttock then and there.
Don’t wait until the next day.According to Keysar on Sunrise just now (7.20am) that it could have been worse if he hadn’t called for moderation last week!
Magilla is certainly getting an education in communicating with the television.
Re a Lebanese girl getting attacked, I got this comment.
On TV news I saw a mob chasing a hotted up rev-head car who was slowly backing away.I also saw a blonde tanned woman, yes a middle-aged woman, hitting someone on the ground, with her handbag, who could have been dressed in a burqua, can’t be sure.
So when Ken Moroney says, ‘It’s unAustralian to assault women’ is it this blonds woman he’s referring to? Who may be just venting frustration at the ridiculous Burka which is an insult to all Aussies?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 04:26 PM • permalink#23 To be frank JeffS, I believe the police are woefully unprepared for this kind of thing.
The cops do a great job of general policing but we as a society take the gamble that the worst police will come across on active duty is a couple of drunken brawlers or revved up junkie.
I’m not sure the cops have any armoured vehicles or water cannons.
Water cannons might be a good investment - show no mercy and give both sets of idiots a much needed bath.
-- Nora
Youth gang violence has been on the upsurge for a few years now. It’s been caused by overliberal standards.
Almost every weekend there are drunken riots on parts of the Gold Coast and the root cause is that these young people have never had a line drawn in the sand regarding their behaviour.
On the Coast, it’s sometimes white youths fight each other over territory. Add racial differences to the mix and they’ll fight over the colour of each others skin.
-- Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 11 at 04:28 PM • permalinkWell, well, Australia’s first Kristallnacht. The Middle Eastern religion of Peace running around the beaches smashing car windows as per Paris training. It’s a pity that private citizens need to protect themselves by banding together against the barbarians invading our decent society.
Iemma should stand down as he is hopelessly compromised to act in a role for all decent Australians, its now blowing up in the faces of the Lefty PC.Posted by missinglink on 2005 12 11 at 04:33 PM • permalinkFound some video footage, via bareknucklepolitics
I grew up in Cronulla (I haven’t been in Sydney for about 15 years), but this has been coming for a long time.
Cronulla, being one of the few beaches that is on a rail line, gets all the ‘bankies’ (possibly showing my age here - but bankies used to = Bankstowners) and they always came looking for trouble, but over the years their definition of trouble has shifted to a much more violent position.
The questions to ask are -
What was the cause? - you don’t get that many pissed off surfies together easily, beating up the lifesavers was the straw that broke the camels back.
Where were the police over the years while this was brewing? - a few judicious arrests would have stopped this years ago
Where will the police be next weekend and all the weekends after? - this isn’t over by a long shot, just pray it doesn’t get to the point of the surfies visiting Lakemba en mass.
A political decision must be made to beef up police numbers and deploy them specifically against the cause, not the effect - racial profiling, oh my!
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 11 at 05:20 PM • permalinkMost commenters on this subject are woefully ignorant of the longer history involved here.
The tensions most certainly did not begin with the lifeguards being bashed. As you yourself should know, Tim, that incident was merely something that the MSM couldn’t suppress.
The deliberate beating and molestation of white Australians by Lebanese gangs, coming from the west to the Sutherland Shire, has been occurring with increasing frequency for the past decade.
I am willing to wager that any of you pious, holier-than-thou types who echo leftists by focusing on one incident with an ambulance (nicely aiding Muslim gang PR in the process) have never lived in the Shire, or witnessed the way these gangs have malignantly manifested themselves, especially at Miranda Westfield and Cronulla Beach.
Because if you had, and you saw a few suicidal gang members getting knocked about, you’d have the same reaction as me.
Just desserts.
Posted by Mike Jericho on 2005 12 11 at 05:33 PM • permalinkSorry ,jic - I didn’t close the quote tag. PIMF.
It wasn’t my quote, but it is interesting the way things get spun.
With regards to the rioting, we all assume that it’s men only involved. The thought of women sinking the boot in, so to speak, tends not to occur to us. I know it doesn’t for me - hell, I can’t handle violence (unless it’s on celluloid).
I find the idea that the women are weighing in as a sign that the pot is finally boiling over, and that alone is a bigger warning than themob of yobs going all out to kick heads.
Oh, and Stormfront (refuse to link. bleh) have been putting their two bobs’ worth of opinion on thier website.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 05:42 PM • permalinkMike
The fact still remains that there were people attacking coppers and ambos. That is wrong. Full stop.
As I said, the cops and the luvvies in the NSW govt better start taking a good look at what motivated a crowd of 5000 angry locals to turn up and do what they did. The cops need to get out of their crusiers and down on the beach so as to create a presence which intimidates the Musselmen.
The one positive I could take from yesterdays situation was from a scene I saw on the evening news where a number of police where flailing their batons at the crowds at the train station. This kind of police response was notably absent from other riots we’ve had in the last couple of years, eg Redfern, Macquarie Fields so I’ll be sure that future riots and “tension” will be dealt with in a similar fashion.
Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 12 11 at 06:39 PM • permalinkThis has been coming for a very long time and the Police should have jumped on it harder much earlier before it got to the point of blatant stupidity.
I was in Cronulla just a couple of weeks ago on a saturday night and the mall was chocka’s with security guards because the Leb gangs have been bashing people and smashing shop windows at random FOR MONTHS!No-one thinks that 5000 drunken yobbos is a good thing but it could have all been prevented by the Police months ago if they weren’t tip-toeing around trying not to “offend” the poor Lebs.
Thanks, jic. I can be just as big a bogan as the yobs out there. While I try to stay away from any aggro, I used to be one who dived in to break up the fray. Luckily that was only a few times.
I prefer to run away, but sometimes, you’ve got to say ‘Enough!’
Re the ambos being attacked, from the footage at bareknuckle politics (linky above) I get the impression that the mob wanted the group rescued by the ambos rather than the officers themselves.
As a people, I always figured that the ambos and fireys are sacrosanct.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 06:41 PM • permalinkI don’t think this has terribly much to do with race, I think it has a lot more to do with Sydney, and it’s gang war culture.
In the last 2 years in Sydney:
Redfern: Aboriginals riot
Cronulla: Leb/Surfer riots
Maroubra: Riots last night. Also home of the most violent surfer gang in Christendom
Macquarie Fields: Bogans riot
Cabramatta: Run by vietnamese street gangs
Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs: Fans regularly riot and cause affray
Farifield: Serbs and Croats riot at the soccer.This sort of rubbish doesn’t happen anywhere else in Australia, with the possible exception of Perth.
The police have surrendered the streets of Sydney to the gangs, and the youth gangs there have been doing what all youth gangs do when the police stop policing.
How about everyone takes a deep breath, steps away and thinks real hard about whether this is the way we want things to be in Australia.
Wrong has happened to a number of people. The police remain the organisation most able to enforce the law. Let them do their job. And everyone else get out of the way.
Sadly not true jpaulg, if putting up with Schoolies wasn’t bad enough - the Gold Coast has young criminal gangs causing mayhem in the southern suburbs of Palm Beach and Currumbin.
-- Nora
PS It makes the The Gold Coast Bulletin look like the moron rag that it is - check the front page image and then look at the third story down. (PS the web page only lasts 24 hours, they don’t bother to archive stories on their site).
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 11 at 07:21 PM • permalinkGotta love IndyMedia.
These moonbats take the cake!
Cronulla was possibly Australia’s biggest racist protest since vigilante miners killed two Chinese at Lambing Flat in 1860.
Perhaps I’m reading it wrong, but the implication there would be that we’ve all been pretty mild over the last 140 years.
We can’t be so intolerant if it takes that long to explode into mob violence.
I can’t say I’m surprised. It’s happened a bit sooner than expected, but not by much.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 11 at 07:22 PM • permalinkIt’s funny how it’s only considered “racial violence” by the likes of the ABC when white people behave in this disgusting manner, but not when Lebanese Moslems harass and attack based on race!
You’re absolutely right though Tim. What intially had the potential to be something positive, turned into something very, very ugly and un-Australian. My guess is that this Anglo anger will have precisely the opposite effect to that intended, in that the cowardly gangs of Islamic thugs previously menacing Cronulla, will simply find other defenceless victims to seek revenge on. We’re seeing signs of that already.I understand the comments that the issues didn’t start with the lifeguard “beatings”, but I can’t help wondering what exactly ocurred. The fact that the press accounts don’t specify is suggestive. But does anyone know anything specific?
Posted by mjones8627 on 2005 12 11 at 07:53 PM • permalinkThis Happens also in England ( eg Bradford) where Sikhs and Hindus are mistaken for muslim militants and beaten up by Brit yobs.
Yeah in Scotland and Bradford white & black youths routinely get attacked by Muslim men; sometimes with deadly effects. But not much is made about that for fear of making the Muslims in the UK look bad.
PS: This is what a “moderate” Muslim group is discussing.
Posted by Andrew Ian Dodge on 2005 12 11 at 07:55 PM • permalink"The police remain the organisation most able to enforce the law. Let them do their job. And everyone else get out of the way. “
The reason this got to the point it has is that the Police HAVEN’T been doing their job.
Do you really think you can easily get together 5000 surfies over a one off attack?
What we are seeing is a response to an ongoing situation and a lack of action on the part of police.
Posted by Harry Buttle on 2005 12 11 at 08:09 PM • permalink"In the minds of the local population, the police were cowards and the message was, Lebs rule the streets.”
The Rise of Middle Eastern Crime in Australia
Tim Priest
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=581Posted by stackja1945 on 2005 12 11 at 08:15 PM • permalinkIemma should stand down as he is hopelessly compromised to act in a role for all decent Australians
Unfamiliar readers should note Morris Iemma is the Member for Lakemba, where most of the Lebanese Muslim troublemakers originate.
As a consequence, he will try to fight a war, while trying to win a local popularity contest. Looking at Paul Keating’s kowtowing to Sheik Hilaly’s supporters in the late eighties, I know which duty will take a back seat.
Update: 2UE just reported the Australian flag being burnt at Brighton le Sands. Can we deport them yet?
Most people here seem to be hitting the nail on the head. Because police have chosen to not enforce the law with regaurds to one section of the community, they are now held in contempt by other groups.
And the comment on the use of battons was spot on, although in their defence the times the coppers have chosen not to use them it was mainly “shitting in their own nest” situations.
I havent met anyone under about 30 with a good word for the Lebs. There is something seiously “broken” in that group.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 11 at 08:43 PM • permalink#53, Islamic Lebanese gangs harass in many places in Sydney. In my experience it does NOT happen however, in Cabramatta. The Leb gangs steer clear of THAT place. I imagine this is because they know they will get more than they give there.. hehehe.... (sometimes you just gotta love those Vietnamese!)
#10, Amos, thank you for that story. Anecdotes abound on what lunatics arabs are. Similar tales are told by almost anybody who has lived, worked, commuted through or had any contact with an arabic suburb.
Speaking only for myself, I am scratching to find a similar story about any other ethic group, whilst I have my own good collection of “Arabs are lunatics, get a load of THIS which happened.. blah blah” type stories.
Posted by Steve at the pub on 2005 12 11 at 08:50 PM • permalink# 61 Thefrollickingmole,
Let’s be fair to the Sydney police - they’re choosing not to enforce the law anywhere where there is a chance of headlines in the SMH reading “Brutal Police use Excessive Force on [fill in the blank with an ethnic group of your choice]”.Whilst the Lebs may be one of the worst offending ethnic groups, there are plenty of others on the path they’re on.
jpaulg
Yup that was my point, I just didnt set it out clearly enough. And your bit about the papers is right to, nothing sells like a good “victim of the nasty police” story.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 12 11 at 09:05 PM • permalinkIt is unfortunate, but not surprising, that a blow in the culture war was struck by a very unsophisticated bunch of alcohol-charged “yobbos”. The blows should have been raining down from other quarters, years ago. Using methods some squeamish people here would approve of.....the law, and common sense.
* Anyone who denies or fails to see that there is a culture war happening is a fool.
* Are they “yobbos”? MSM will have it that way, no matter what, but ...
Analyse this:
- “They” (surfers) ARE from sub-cultures that do not seek, tolerate, or desire in any way, the intervention of “authority”;
- they are emotive, not intellectual, easily ‘provoked’, by either side of the fence, because they are voiceless, and they know it.
- they “feel” under attack, and no amount of Glebe glibness from the chattering classes is going to alter their perception.However, in a day and age where a common complaint in all areas of Australia is, “where are the police?”, these tribal members have been delivered to the coal face...and they have been left there, with no support and a whole load of PC sanctions, by a pusillanimous series of Government ministers, departments and “decrees”. No grievance airing, because having those grievances is not PC. In short, there are no legitimate grievances.
* Not relevant that “they” may have stoked some of the embers. You expect sophistication??? They HAVE been attacked, on occasions too numerous to detail. (I have “shire” affiliation, so I disagree with the time-lines suggested; this is at least 5 years in the making)
* Some comments here have been surprised that women have involved themselves. Why the bemusement? The Muslim Lebanese have gone out of their way to target “skip chicks” for years now. The Bikini/Beach Girl is the new poster girl… of anti-Australian rhetoric. Has been for years. Rape gangs???* Some commentators (indymedia) allude to the “racist” crowd as “nominally Christian”. HUH?
IF they attended a church, (highly, highly doubtful) they would be confronted by pulpits that do not address “the issue”, for fear of being politically incorrect (see:Danny Nalia). Other agendas run hot in our churches, like how they can continue to be gay.
The “victims”, on the other hand, are overwhelmingly members/attendees of mosques where “the issue” is hotly debated.
Keysar Trad? He has exactly what mandate? Howard’s “Terror Conference” did nothing that was not predictable in terms of security measures, but provided us with a curious side effect. We now have a group of unelected power brokers, unequivocally identified with a problem group, eagerly advising us on .... how to deal with themselves!... with the imprimatur of Government.
In any concrete terms Keysar Trads’ dealings with the law have been singularly noteworthy for their association with breaking/manipulating migration laws for the benefit of questionable people. Apart from those involvements, .....what? He is now one of the most recognisable faces on MSM, alongside Hilaly and Omran.
He is consulted why???? Useful idiot? No, that title belongs to those who use him.
He should be on a tape loop, as there is nothing new coming from that quarter.Australia HAS dealt with migration issues - successfully and over many years. What marks the Muslim question as different is so obvious it is amazing it is still in dispute.
Islam is not a race. It is a philosophic bent; to date, there is precious little evidence that it’s intentions are harmonious with the prevailing ethos. There is a huge body of evidence suggesting it CANNOT be otherwise, by Koranic definition. There is also a lot of evidence, historic and anecdotal, of its voracious appetite and intransigent nature.
“Race” laws do not apply to addressing this issue.
We came close recently.... the “culture” inside DIMIA was correctly identified as causative. Certainly, it did/does not help. Work on that front will yield positives with future migrants.
The home-grown issue is more complex, but does show one thing. For whatever reason, there is a very clear identification with every form of ratbag Islam that has surfaced in other corners of the world.
We have a problem. It is multi-hued and lives in peoples minds, not on their skin.
Cronulla is just a very predictable outbreak of a simmering frustration and until the real issue, that of the role of Islam in Australia, via our blind obedience to “multi-culti” dictates, is addressed, there will only be more Cronullas… and more draconian law mooted by those who fail to see with clarity.Posted by Gravelrash on 2005 12 11 at 09:10 PM • permalink#55 - root causes. The first four callers to ABC Local Radio (Jon Faine’s show being hosted by Stephen Maine) this morning cited John Howard and his “climate of fear” as the root cause. In truth it may have been more than four but I had to turn off.
Posted by Semi-conductor on 2005 12 11 at 09:20 PM • permalinkCheck out the BBC spin on this. Slow to react as always as they digest and regurgitate in BBC speak language.
THe only highlighted quote is of Course the opportunist Keyser trad of the ,LOL,(islamic freindship Association of Australia). He gets all the BBC oxygen of course.
Kevin Schreiber is of course hailed as a PC Hero .( Having done nothing to deal with an on going situation, which has been subjuhice and ignored by the BEEB).
And the closer at the ebd as always to make the article appear “Balanced” in the BBC’s owm views.
“Area residents accuse the visitors of being disrespectful and of sometimes intimidating other beach-goers.”
This is what the poor brits are shelling out billions under threat of imprisonment for refusal to cough up the BBC tax!Well put Gravelrash,those that have borne the brunt of the experiment have finally reacted in a predictable manner to pursed lips all around.Ugly and nasty on both sides,but a symptom of a basic incompatibility it would seem.To get hedonistic surfers that fired up about anything other than their narrow focus would indicate that the final straw may have been broken.Hardly surprising really.
Yes, I’ve been waiting for the ABC and Fairfax Press to blame John Howard. What’s the betting they’ll manage to work in George Bush and Tony Blair as well? I can foresee comparisons with New Orleans. Maybe we can squeeze in a reference to global warming leading to riots - our fault for not signing Kyoto, etc etc and other moonbattery.
Gravelash
great post.
I would just add that it is not what we do or what we say that angers many muslims, it is simply our very existence. They’ve told us often enough and like so many Jews who perished under Hitler because they believed he would soon “go away’, we risk much if we do not listen.
It seems only totalitarian regimes can deal with Islamic extremism and democracy is far too weak, since it’s main weapons are evidently now, just appeasement and bribery.Bogans vs. Lebs- a match made in hell. since when are arabs non-caucasian? If they are caucasian, there’s no racial factor present, buth that’s never stopped the MSM from beating up that angle- cultural, and possibly quasi-religious factors? For sure.
We can thank the Hawke?Keating governments for this- they allowed wholesale immigration from Lebanon in the ‘80s to stack inner-western electorates which were becoming gentrified, and at risk of being lost to Labor- minimal checking was done, and many criminals, grubs and scumbags moved here; previously the Australian Lebanese populations was overwhelmingly Christian, and while they dabbled a bit in the smack trade they were generally well behaved. The Muslim Lebanese are from a different social strata- basically Levantine Bogans, and their behavior and attitudes are as expected.
I have no time for welfare-swallowing dickheads who surf all day on my dollar, but we can’t get rid of them; we can at least make the bastards get jobs- the Lakemba louts are a different story- they are eligible for Labanese passports, and any convicted of any sort of rotten behaviour should be made to avail themselves of the opportunity to move to a society more in tune with their beliefs.
Iemma is shaping up to be a bigger tool than Bob Carr- no easy task.God knows Oz’Landers, as an American, WE have had our share of racial, ethnic and religious strife and horror over our 230 years of existence. Idiots on all sides of the strife here, split our Nation damn near in half, for a period of four years, physically...and to this day, intellectually.
We have survived, for better or worse, we have survived. The new element in all of this ‘happening’ around the world is radical Islam. Not a single thinking person, should tolerate radicals of anything, surely not those that treat their women as chattel.
I’m quite sure that cooler heads will prevail...clue here..it is NOT always the intellect that will solve your woes, but the everyday down to earther.
Obviously the violence in your Nation is being fomented by at least 2nd and quite possibly 3rd generation. Best of luck and as WE in the States know WE can count on you, know also the YOU can count on US.
If what I just opined makes sense...thank you, if it doesn’t...I’ve been drinkin’.
I just heard a BBC World Service report, broadcasted on ABC News Radio, which referred to Cronulla as “Cronoola”, to the perpetrators of yesterday’s violence as “surfees”, and claimed “there is a large Lebanese community in this part of Sydney”. It’s one of the very few items today that has interrupted the show’s relentless banging on about the fact that a female and socialist candidate is winning the first round of Chile’s presidential elections.
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 11 at 10:00 PM • permalink72. davo. It is totalitarian regimes which are, in the end, weak. Democracy is a lot more robust, and it is open discussion and freedom which keep the system supple and strong. The media and other PC wonks have been trying to close down such discussion and freedoms - they working, in effect, to make us brittle like the totalitarians.
I don’t approve of what happened on the weekend, but I was surprised at how some overseas media outlets covered it.
- They referred to “racist white youth” (understandable comment i guess, in the circumstances.)
- They then went and listed some of the incidents such as the stabbing, clashes in Brighton-Le-Sands, and the smashing of 50 cars on Maroubra Road.Here’s the problem:
- The stabbing, the car-smashing, (arguably the singly most violent incidents), and the Brighton trouble were from the Middle Eastern youth. But some stories either ommited this or phrased it in such a way, that a disinterested reader would assume it was thie Aussie yobbos who did it.I’ve got no problem criticizing white youth who were making racist chants, but I do expect it to be put in context.
There’s plenty of stories on the net, but this BBC storyand this Guardian story are an example of what I mean.
A lot of people bag out the mainstream media, and I’ve never really thought about it or “bought into” that criticism. I may have to change my opinion on that.
Brett
i guess you are right. but there is a long road ahead to repair the self inflicetd damages done to democracy and we in Australia are i a a far better situation to do this than Holland, France or the UK which is infected with hordes of self haters.
Just read the adulations given to Harold Pinter’s incessant Nobel Prize rantings by the European press, for example!
These days any Islamic cleric who reliquishes the Koranic right to behead infidels is lauded as a “moderate” by the press!
And our Laws! just look what happened to Sami Al arian in the states recently!80 davo
look what happened to Sami Al arian in the states
One of the unfortunate happenings of a democracy. The freedom to have seated not one, but three peer judgementers of the OJ ilk, one last century, two (Robert Blake and Al Arian) this century, so far.
al arian is a terrorist funder/enabler if there ever was one...he may want to leave the U.S. and soon.
Time multiculti PC was thrown out of the window and issues addressed head on. If some PC leftie sentiments and oversized egos get quashed in the process, too bad I guess.
Ordinary people on the street, bang in the line of fire in matters such as these have been much wiser and smarter in reacting to and adapting to the noble intolerance of the so-called RoP (Religion of Peace, to the uninitiated). The word after the London bombings too was that decent folk everywhere whispered just out of earshot “Islam means bad news” and ordinary folk show this sentiment in their reluctance to profusely welcome moslem neighbours, hire moslem employees, befriend moslems in general etc. Too many times have such acts of innocent openness been met with hostility.
I just heard a BBC World Service report, broadcasted on ABC News Radio, which referred to Cronulla as “Cronoola”
When Bill Clinton was running for President (and frequently throughout his time in office, and at least once since he left office) BBC newsreaders constantly called him the “(former) Governor of Ar-Kansas. It wouldn’t of bothered me (there’s not really any reason they should know to pronounce Arkansas), but you should see how much Brits mock any American who can’t ‘properly’ pronounce Shrewsbury, Norwich, Leicester, Keighley, Bicester, Birmingham…
’Tis a shame that the Lebanese are getting their turn in the islamopsychopathic barrel. Prior to their being set upon by bedouins termed Palestinians and the Syrians, the Lebanese were considered the best of the Arab, the most educated in the ways of the world, the Bankers, Lawyers, Doctors...the professional class.
Maybe you have a radical Wahabbist/al-Qaida cleric or 20 that needs deportation, or have a rare illness beset them.
I’m thinking about writing a book on this incident. Tentative title would be “Some People Push Back: The Justice Of Roosting Chickens”. Has that been used before?
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 11 at 11:15 PM • permalinkMethinks you jump a bit quickly to come down on the “trash” who seem to be responding to provacations. I think a PC attitude here - “they are all at fault” - is what will create a bigger problem. That Aussie “trash” has protected your ass before and may have to do so again before it’s over. Rushing to show how righteous you are is not the point.
If this trouble brews up more, one group I would feel sorry for are Turks.
Turks have lived here for 30-40 years, and by and large, integrated pretty damn well. They seem to approach their islamic faith in a secular way, and are as laid back and unobtrusive about it as most westerners are about their christianity. Most just got out, and got jobs, and got on with life. They have, as the movies would say, “the right stuff” and made a go of their lives.
Don’t ever call a Turk an Arab, they will be quite hurt by it. Most Aussies, however, would have difficulty readly distinguishing the two groups. And I fear that Aussie Turks may get caught up in a clash they did nothing to cause.
Then again, there’s probably a fair few decent Arab folk too who just want to get by.It’s always the extremists who ruin it for the rest of us.
I am not really clear on the leb gangs. Sydney has a significant christian leb community, and obviously a lot of moslem lebs. Are the gangs predominately moslem, or are there Christian ones too. And what type go to the beach to make trouble? Some of the commenters here would look a bit silly if it turned out that at least some of the leb gangs were in fact from the christian leb community (quite prepared to be wrong on this).
Hmm… one might wonder why this is funny when stock traders do it but not when surfers do…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 12 11 at 11:32 PM • permalinkSpeaking of PC - “Anger management for terror suspects” - This isnt satire either.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 11 at 11:37 PM • permalink91- The gangbangers are exclusively Moslems- they don’t get on with the Maronites, druze etc- these were the same gerbils who were running around with Hezbollah and drove a truck full of nitropril into the Marine base in Beiruit, fine upstanding citizens all. The Christian Lebanese tend to be more educated and professionals, the Muslims are usually peasants and labourers (except when afflicted with Mediteranean Back).
They go to the beach mainly to ogle skip women and pick blues with their boyfriends to show how hardcore they are; they tend to be an odd mixture of ghetto gangsta/dealer and fundie fruitcake- I’m surprised the massive contradiction of their existence doesn’t cause them to sink into a confused coma, but I don’t think it even occurs to them.FWIW: The way it seems through my soda straw on the other side of this shrunken planet - when a government cannot (or refuses to) fullfil its primary obligation to protect its Citizenry, said Citizens are naturally inclined toward providing for their own security and protection. This dastardly inclination cannot be talked away or browbeaten into submission forever and sometimes in the absence of authority it’s resolution is mob-ass ugly. That’s what the even application of the rule of law is supposed to prevent. Faddish preference crime crap and/or fear of applying the rule of law to preferred minorities leads to balkanization of beaches and such.
I’ll just say it, western multi-culti ideas as they’ve been widely implemented by our beloved leftist zealots are the root cause of the sort of “unrest” we are watching bubble up. Why? I think it has alot to do with the apparent inability of postmodern acid-testees to choose a desireable or even a workable cultural norm. For far too many of them it’s out with the old (whether it works or not) and in with their newest formulation of bloody old collectivism...That they continue to reject wholesale the very moral structure of those largely western societies that have survived the left’s past formulations intact enough to preserve their liberty to spoooge all over as many copies of Das Capital as they can get their grubby hands on. Hey, don’t ask don’t tell…
What our progressive culti betters can’t seem to figure out is that their penchant for sticking collective fingers in ears for us whilst screaming "No culture is better than the other, but every other culture is better than ours", does not just make human nature do a koolaid shooter, and pick up the hookah to spread peace n’ love on the Starship Aquarius.
Anyway, pent-up pressures from suppressed “tensions” invariably explode to fill the vacumn created through ignoring or outright opposing what our particular western cultures have contributed toward the advancement of liberty in human civilization. The personal responsibility part of the concept of individual liberty - as opposed to collective liberties - is anathema to their various sundry utopian projects which always seem to end up as dystopian nightmares fueled by death and populated by ghosts.
Unfortunatly this Great Leftist FusterCluck of institutional [subsidized] decline by design is so entrenched in our liberal arts fueled chattering classes that they’ll doubtlessly fertilize the poor oppressed anything but us’ers instead of tending to the whole forest of cause and effect. They’ve already begun to blame the whole “isolated” context purged “incident” on their favorite neocon strawmen whilst shoving the greatest part of the problem right back into their pressure cooker to simmer some more in a delicate broth of condemnation in amongst overly-boiled chunks of floating platitudes.
Cultural melting pots make for nice savory stews, but for Christ’s sake don’t use a frenchified car-BQ recipe if you want to serve a bowl of soup.
#91 Good point. I read that the 75% of Lebanese in Australians are christians (despite christians being a minority in Lebanon).
Though it is true a lot of the high-profile trouble such as the gang rapes of a recent years came from the muslim-minority of the Lebanese community.
It would be interesting to find out more about the recent troublemakers like the guys arrested for lifesaver-bashing.
It’s all a bit hard to judge at this stage.
Racial violence by Leb gangs against Cronulla beachgoers has been going on for much longer than a decade. I remember in 1990 a colleague of mine who regularly surfed there complained of having been assaulted by a Leb gang at the railway station. It’s a testament to the patience and tolerance of non-Leb Cronulla beachgoers that they have taken this long to respond to some pretty outrageous and chronic provocation. Perhaps if the police had been as fervent in bashing Leb gangsters over the last 15 years as they were yesterday in bashing the surfies at the railway station, then the riots over the weekend mightn’t have happened. As has been pointed out, the rioters were throwing things at the ambulance because it had Leb gangsters inside, not because it was an ambulance. Given the level of muslim respect for the sanctity of medical services, I think it’s case of chickens coming home to roost. If yesterday’s riots can ram home through muslims’ thick fanatical heads that their barbarity can provoke retaliation, despite their collaborators in the media, government and academia, then the surfies have performed a valuable service. If any non-Lebs should be arrested, it should be the gutless PC-infected police hierarchy, who deserve all the contempt that surfies have for them.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 12 at 12:24 AM • permalinkOT
JOHN HOWARD is in fourth place behind Oriana Fallaci in
the International Anti Dhimmi of the year awards at Robert Spencer-s jihad watch.
http://jihadwatch.org/
(Hint Hint)Even in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers. Were the scattered Lebanese who ventured to Cronulla on Sunday really the same ones who attacked lifeguards and routinely harass local women? Who exactly were they “protecting” on Sunday?
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 12 at 12:27 AM • permalinkEven in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers.
Right.
If they’d organised some sort of volunteer beach patrol to keep the peace, they’d have won respect from all across the non-moonbat community.
Unfortunately, that’s not what happened.
Attacking ambulances? Trash.
..as a Floridian if I say PCB, you must know, what that means and where it is, right?...:).
El Cid: nope, I don’t know what that means. I was born and raised in Miami, lived there to the age of 36, moved to Central Florida where I have lived ever since. But I have no idea what “PCB” is. Florida’s a big state.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2005 12 12 at 12:41 AM • permalink#98; I agree. The police had a grand old time busting Anglo heads at Cronulla but were strangely absent at Maroubra later that night when a gang of ‘middle eastern males’ armed with machetes and baseball bats smashed up a couple of dozen cars and stabbed some poor bugger.
Even the police are scared of the leb gangs.Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 12 at 12:43 AM • permalinkOne point worth making is the role that the liberal media and PC control has likely had in creating the conditions for some of the more undesirable behavior among the white youth. PC’ism defines a very boolean moral universe, with the politically correct as the good, and the others as racists, Nazis, etc.
So what have these young men been taught? Throughout school, I am sure, they have been indoctrinated with do-goodisms, promotion of the almost mythical value of diversity, sensitivity, etc, and all the while told that their ancestors, the Anglo-Saxons, were oppressive, racists, genocidists, etc. Naturally when these kids get out in the real word and realize that PC’ism is just a set of mantras that adults use to deny reality, that reality does not match with theory, they have no understanding of any other way to pursue their (quite legitimate) interests in a firm but peaceful, intellectually developed manner. As it currently stands, if they (and the whole Australian nation, it seems) are going to be called racists and worse anyway, just for standing up for themselfs, they might well reason that it is just as well that they engage in racists name-calling, violence, etc.
Perhaps I am being naive to think that alcohol consumption plus a large group of teens and twenty-somethings could end any other way. However I think that it is none the less true that political correctness ultimately only makes these types of group conflicts worse, because it can’t prevent them, rather it only ensures that they will happen when the pent-up pressure and conflict exceed the threshold of the power the PC elite can exert.
Alright, the particulars of the events are disturbing, but, in spite of myself and my sympathy for any innocent muslims involved, I can’t help but feel somewhat heartened by seeing some Westerners vigorously defending civilization from insidious cultural encroachment. I think simply deriding both sides as “thugs” is EXACTLY the wrong thing to do. It’s an extension of the bullshit “cycle of violence” canard and simply perpetuates the “cycle of politically correct timidity” that has allowed this civilizational conflict to progress to this point.
By all means, arrest those who committed crimes and sentence them, but the value of the message of this kind of Western social solidarity, in my opinion, is great and shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand just to impress others with one’s sensitivity.
Certainly the number of people involved and their drunken “vigour” may have made this seem like some sort of impressive communal action, but as far as Cronulla’s problems go this was an act of total futility. Let’s get this straight: on Sunday there was no confrontation with the Lebanese gangs that have intimidated the area. They didn’t show up. The victims were as far as anyone knows completely blameless. So this was not even an act of retribution. As for the deterrent effect that some seem to think exists: the immediate retaliation in other suburbs seems to suggest that the “message” hasn’t struck that particular chord. How fearful can the gangs possibly be? Is the mob going to be there every Sunday? And regardless of the one-sidedness of the media, police and government, if you don’t realise that any future clean-up of Cronulla is going to have to be done with the acquiesence of all three, then you’re as politically clueless as the moonbats. This set the cause of decency in Cronulla - which is what the original protest was supposedly about - back a long way.
Posted by dsmith_michigan on 2005 12 12 at 01:26 AM • permalink"Area residents accuse the visitors of being disrespectful and of sometimes intimidating other beach-goers.”
The BBC’s dozen or so words to “balnce” its web posting on the Cronulla WHite Racist riots!
Sometimes being intimidating?
they called little girls at beach swim classes “little tarts” just for wearing Western-style bathing suits
they threatened to rape a group of 16-year-olds
they stabbed a young man trying to protect several young girls from being raped
they beat up a Maori while rampaging in a suburb destroying cars
they beat up several life guards whose only “crime” was trying to save peoples’ lives
let the Spin Begin!Whoever is doing whatever, the police forces and the state gov’t there should act swiftly and certainly to contain the violence. The French Lesson, which the French have volunteered to provide us about every five years or so, is that you don’t give these cretins a long leash whether they are surf Nazis or Islamic Nazis. Grab ‘em, jail ‘em, charge ‘em, try ‘em, jail ‘em. If they are allowed to go on an extended romp you invite the French Solution, the French Situation, and the French Aftermath, which is that thousands of yobbos now now know that they can do whatever they please whenever they please.
This is offered free of charge - in accordance with EU regulations governing the inevitable stupidity of its member nations - as part of the full 13-day course which comprises the Complete French Lesson or,
La leçon française entière de la reddition pathétique et malchanceuse.Even in the light of ten years of provocations, Malcomb, “trash” is still the right word for mobs who turn on women and ambulance officers. Were the scattered Lebanese who ventured to Cronulla on Sunday really the same ones who attacked lifeguards and routinely harass local women? Who exactly were they “protecting” on Sunday?
Precisely. NOBODY has any excuse to act like that.
#105Zach owl.
Very good point. I know 15 year old lads, and they are not happy. They get verbally abused by those of a different colour, and there is nothing they can do about it. Apart from mediation.
If they respond, then they are sooks. If they don’t, they are pussies. If they go to the authorities then they are weak. Where disagreements used to be settled with a quick blue out the back, these days it’s back to the kumbaya circle. That’s no solution, and further emasculates our young men.
As for the perpetrators, well, they’ve been well indoctrinated in the schools on the complaints process.
Hell, if I’m feeling disenfranchised and powerless, and I’ve been there and done that, got my battle scars and all, then how will the young men be feeling about it all?
Where is their future headed?
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2005 12 12 at 01:36 AM • permalinkHoward. Howard is the cause.
AKBAR THE GREAT
Posted by AKBAR THE GREAT! on 2005 12 12 at 01:40 AM • permalink#110: I think 5000 people showing up should give Morris Lemur pause for thought.
Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 12 12 at 01:45 AM • permalinkThe base economic issues are clear: poorly educated young people fuelled by anger, dispossession and booze/drugs, low incomes and poor job prospects, turning tribal.
Yeah, next thing you know, they’ll be living in trees and getting out the bongoes and smoking pot and ... oh, wait. That’s already happened - to the rich well educated North Shore students who ... next theory, please?
Let’s get this right: if muslims attack anyone the lefty no-brain media types would have us try to understand them and look for the famous “root causes.” Australians attack people and are immediately (and rightly) condemned as villains. Can’t these lefties work out that the second evil occurred because they were too craven and cowardly to report on the firs?
#115 - Yes Akbar - it’s also the fault of Bush, Rove, Halliburton, failure to sign the Kyoto agreement, global
warmingcoolingclimate change, the failure to say sorry to aborigines or any other moonbat cause…-- Nora
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 12 12 at 02:08 AM • permalinkDeo:
It’s not quite right to say that the police were absent went the Lebs went on their rampage in Maroubra yesterday, if you check out Adrian the cabbie’s blog. Rather they were looking on from a respectful distance, warning non-Lebs not to ge too close. Of course if any Anglos had attempted to confront the rampaging Lebs, or driven 6 kph over the spped limit, you can be sure the police would have suddenly worked up the courage to attack the Anglos.
Posted by Jim Geones on 2005 12 12 at 02:14 AM • permalink116 #110: I think 5000 people showing up should give Morris Lemur pause for thought. not if his electorate is predominantly Muslim.
I am amazed at the preponderance of reporting and opinion quick to label Aussies as racist thugs. Combine Muslim apologists and a left wing media bias and I’m feeling defeated by PC bullshit artists. My hope is we can wake up and smell the troubles coming before it’s to late. Remembe
A bit of law reform might help prevent incidents like this in future.
The British idea of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) could be introduced here.