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Robert Fisk, interviewed by Lateline’s Tony Jones on Monday night, considers Israeli claims:
The Israelis say they have lost not lost an aircraft but when I reached the scene there was columns on smoke, the road was on fire awash with fuel oil, the bushes were on fire. The trees were on fire. There was a house on fire ...
The roof, the roof, the roof was on fire.
... and clearly, whatever came out of the sky fell over a large area. There were huge pieces of metal. One had a figure 225 written on it. It wasn’t in Arabic numerals, it was in Roman numerals. When I picked up what appeared to be maybe a cockpit window of some kind, the glass fell out of the rubber frame onto the road. Now there’s various versions of what it might be. Maybe it was an empty bomb which was containing propaganda sheets saying, “Leave the area,” which the Israelis have dropped in the past.
“Leave the area” is propaganda? Jets tend not to use rubber-framed windows; perhaps Fisk happened upon a piece of exploded truck. Bob didn’t hang around long enough to find out:
The army, too, were keen to get out of the area in case the Israelis returned and bombed the scene. I left at suitable Fisk speed, I can tell you.
Once again the Satin Bag evades his enemies! More military insights from our rapid superhero:
If you can hit a warship at two miles, you can probably hit an F-16 at one mile.
Makes sense. I mean, both these machines are war-related, right? So, you know, they probably travel at the same speed. Fisk attempts to restrain his excitement:
The whole balance of power in this region is changing because now the Israelis find they are dying in quite large numbers as well. Obviously every death, whether it be Israeli or Palestinian or whether it be Lebanese, is a tragedy. But what is clearly the case is that in the past when the Israelis could bomb Lebanon with impunity, those days have gone.
Not that the Satin Bag is feeling particularly secure:
How do you explain the attack on the lighthouse outside my house? Is this a terrorist target?
Hmm ...
UPDATE. Fisk is attacked by the crazy left for mouthing “exactly the Zionist line”!
UPDATE II. AlphaMikeFoxtrot:
’Rubber framed window’ on a jet - does this idiot ever do any research at all? I suppose if he found a broken fly-screen door on the beach, he would deduce they had sunk an Israeli submarine!
“One had a figure 225 written on it. It wasn’t in Arabic numerals, it was
in Roman numerals”.Ummm 225 is Arabic numerals, Fiskie old boy. I doubt that it said XXV.
Posted by stuartcooper on 2006 07 19 at 02:33 AM • permalinkPure comedy. Was Fisk wearing a turban during the interview? I can picture him covered in blood (looking like Carrie after the prom prank) gleefully explaining the details of destruction.
And I love this line: Obviously every death, whether it be Israeli (snicker snicker) or Palestinian or whether it be Lebanese, is a tragedy.The man is a joke and a proven liar. I’m amazed that anyone would pay any attention to ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth. Undoubtedly, he and Juan Cole have formed a Mutual Admiration Fraternity.
good lord a’mighty, i thought us bucolic texan sister-marryin’ rubes held the patent on ignernt peabrain media types! is it possible this ‘fisk’ nitwit apprenticed under hosso di tutti hossi dan rather hisself?
that deadly combination of stupidity and self-importance could only come from a rather education, no?
Posted by jimmy quest on 2006 07 19 at 02:37 AM • permalinkHow do you explain the attack on the lighthouse outside my house? Is this a terrorist target?
Fisk seems to miss the concept of a Hiz’ballah guy hiding *in* the lighthouse, looking for Israeli tartgets for his friends to shoot at. And I am sure that Fisk thinks everything that comes from the Jews is propaganda.
As for the numerals, they were originally Indian not Arabic. The Arabs simply claimed them when the Europeans asked where they came from.
Apparently the object that was filmed hurtling back to earth was actually an Iranian Zilzal missile, the target of the Israeli air attack.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
What does it take.
Someone need to go over there and paint a bullseye target on him?
The other one eyed creep reporting for the ABC is named Brown, not quite the eminence, but still another one whose hypothalmus (brain centre repsonsible for a sense of balance) is a bit out of kilter.
And where is that damned Lowenstein.
Why don’t all these characters do a Hicks and acually enlist for Hezbollah and be done with it.the bushes were on fire
Maybe it was God? It is the land of Moses after all.
Maybe it was an empty bomb which was containing propaganda sheets saying, “Leave the area,” which the Israelis have dropped in the past
Hang on, wasn’t Israel condemned only the day before for bombing ‘refugees’ and without warning?
225? Maybe he was looking at a Slant Six under the hood of a Dodge?
Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 07 19 at 03:12 AM • permalink“Fisk speed” = warp speed, very warped.
Fisk is never funnier than when he plays at being the Investigative Journalist.
Remember him trudging through ‘all’ Baghdad’s morgues and coming up with the ‘true’ figure of “100,000? no up to 150,000 dead”..?
“No one else is doing the street walking here like I am” he bravely claimed.
[Well, not that weird kind, mate..]Israelis find they are dying in quite large numbers as well
Quite large numbers? They’ve lost fewer than 200, Bobby. While every single one of those deaths is a tragedy, that is vanishingly small in the context of war. I have more co-workers than that. There are bigger wedding parties. Hell, that wouldn’t even put a dent in the Osmond family.
And while I’m on the subject, a little over 200 have been reported killed on the Lebanese side. That’s in almost a week of airstrikes? If the IAF is trying to wipe people out they’re doing a damn poor job of it.
Is Fisk going for a really bad impression of Bertie Wooster (I left at suitable Fisk speed, I can tell you), Erich Von Daniken(whatever came out of the sky fell over a large area), or Barbara Cartland (But what is clearly the case is that in the past…)?
This guy clearly needs to stay home and have sex more often.
Spout this kind of shit on a street corner and you’ll end up in a nice soft room at Bellevue.
Spout this shit at the ABC or through other moonbat workshops and you become a millionaire.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 07 19 at 03:38 AM • permalinkHe lacked an appropriately leftish father figure, and has sought to make up for it.
“A small, but significant, part of this book concerns Robert Fisk’s relationship with his father, which gradually deteriorated over the years, as his father become unpleasantly right wing as he aged. However Robert does admire one specific action that his father took, when he refused to take command of a firing squad to execute an Australian soldier who had shot a gendarme. Whilst this part of the book is not directly related to the main narrative, it was obviously important to Robert, and this relationship seems to be the genesis of Robert’s career.”
see book reviewIm extremely worried, I saw a brief spot with the fisker on the ABC which he came across as rational. Either they got him when his meds kicked in or mine kicked out.
Fortunately I spotted him on a longer chat on lateline where he was his usual septic self.Im not a military chap, but this seems to be a steaming pile of shite from the Fisker. Why would a “teleguided” ground to air missile be effective??
“If, in fact, the Israeli Air Force is vulnerable to teleguided missiles, then this changes totally the balance of military capability in the skies over Lebanon.”
Anyone with a bit more knowledge let me know?
Here is his Lateline transcript Id skip straight to the last paragraph if you just want a summary of his mental illness.
My favourite line “ROBERT FISK: I notice you don’t want to disarm the Israeli Army either, do you? ”
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 19 at 03:53 AM • permalinkThe Lebanese government is now admitting what they were claiming as a shot-down israeli aircraft was actually an Iranian missile that cooked off when the truck carrying it was attacked by Israeli aircraft.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 07 19 at 03:56 AM • permalink#26 - more likely to be hit by hezballistics.
You would have to be deranged to subscribe to the basic Fiskian thesis that the Middle East (and the world) would have been made a better place by leaving it alone. In any event, that was never going to happen, any more than the Australian continent was going to be ignored by Europe.
As they say, you can’t make a satin bag out of an aged scrotum.pimf re: #19 fewer than 20 Israelis killed, not 200. eesh.
#30 - I fail to see the humor as well. I also very much doubt President Bush is laughing about the situation, except in the delusional little minds of the left. It’s the Sheehans of the world who mistake him for some sort of bloodthirsty thug, taking delight in people’s suffering.
‘Rubber framed window’ on a jet - does this idiot ever do any research at all? I suppose if he found a broken fly-screen door on the beach, he would deduce they had sunk an Israeli submarine!
Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2006 07 19 at 05:09 AM • permalink#30 What would be so frickin funny if that happened? What if the Hezbollah hit a mosque filled with worshippers with a Katyusha rocket, would that be funny too?
(pause)
Well ...
(pause, take a puff from cigarette)
No, of course not.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 07 19 at 05:38 AM • permalinkFisk is beyond parody, so I’ll just bleat about his appalling grammar: Now there’s various versions of what it might be.
Should be:Now there are various versions of what it might be.
I’m nowhere near as well-trained in punctuation as most of the participants in this blog, but if he’s a writer I’m a monkey’s uncle.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 19 at 05:45 AM • permalinkyou got there eventually aaron_.. :o)
and yes that “Jones disarming the isreali army” remark strikes me as the usual lunatic comment that he throws in at least once in each interview, which really makes me wonder why Jones keeps interviewing this fool, it doesn’t help his journalistic credibility???
Jones could have come back that disarming israel would result in 6 million jews being massacred even more quickly than the nazi’s did last time, and no sane person would even suggest such a thing???
as to the tele guided missile, is the US Maverick a tele-guided missile?? usually things like tele guided and laser guided missiles are used to take out big, slow ground targets from the air… to take out fast moving jets u usually need radar guided sams or stingers or heat seekers??? once again i doubt this fool knows what he’s talking about… in fact in most cases i’d probably stake my house on it!!!
lastly if the light house attack was actually an attempt to fry Fisk, can i just encourage the IDF pilots to keep it up, and if anyone has a picture of his house or the coordinates, can they just email it to isreali’s thanxs….
United Nations rumoured to be the HIGHER BIDDER who GAZUMPED Australians fleeing from Lebanon -by taking over a ferry the Australian government had chartered for them.The Turkish owners of the ferry simply withdrew it as despairing Australians who had come down from the safety of the hills watched on at the dock.
And this what Fisk said back in 2003.
“And the signs were clear long ago. Take the article in The New York Times by Larry Collins – joint author with Dominique Lapierre of O Jerusalem! – which last month announced that the Syrian-supported Hizbollah resistance in Lebanon had 10,000 missiles that could fly to Tel Aviv and “leave in their wake devastation more terrible than anything Israel has ever known”. The missiles are a myth – I travel the roads of southern Lebanon every two weeks and there are no such missiles, as the UN force there will confirm – but this doesn’t matter. And then it will be Libya who has the most sophisticated C-B weapons. Or Saudi Arabia. Or anyone else Israel wants attacked.”
(I have not figured out how to use the tabs on this to put this in quote or italics)
Posted by Torontosteve on 2006 07 19 at 07:08 AM • permalinkWasn’t Fisk the idiot who declared Saddam’s army had built up such a strong defense along the highways the US would have tens of thousands of casualties trying to take the city?
He seems to have a habit of making declarations of military capability based on his observations on road trips.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 07 19 at 07:18 AM • permalink55 Torontosteve. Fisk refers in that oracular quote to “the Syrian-supported Hizbollah resistance in Lebanon”—that is resistance to what, exactly?
Israeli non-occupation, Israel having withdrawn from there three years earlier? The Lebanese government, then under the thumb of Hezbollah’s own paymaster Syria?
But then, Fisk always did know more than the rest of us. Look at the way all those nonexistent missiles are not killing nobody now.
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 07 19 at 07:44 AM • permalinkOT: THE outspoken founder of an Islamic association in Australia has accused the Federal Government of a racist response to evacuating its nationals from Lebanon.
The Government would have reacted much faster if the crisis currently engulfing Lebanon was in another country, Keyser Trad, the founder of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said today.
“I’m sure they would have acted a lot quicker if it wasn’t Lebanon and people of Lebanese background,” Mr Trad said.“You just have to look at the way they reacted to other crises – Bali and East Timor. They used all their resources to get people out quickly.
“This Government is initiating racism here. There are signs of the Federal Government breeding racism.
Funny, I thought Indonesia was an Islamic country. WEll Keysar and friends would be experts when it comes to racism, so he should know.
The Israelis say they have lost not lost an aircraft but when I reached the scene there was columns on smoke.
“Columns on smoke”? Local columnists were writing about, what, the dangers of cigarettes? I would also be fascinated to see an “empty bomb”. I mean, if they’re empty, what’s all the fuss about?
This is satin baggery of a high order!
He travels at Fisk speed because warp speed is obviously reserved for his logic.
Posted by AlburyShifton on 2006 07 19 at 08:27 AM • permalink#60 “You just have to look at the way they reacted to other crises – Bali and East Timor. They used all their resources to get people out quickly. This Government is initiating racism here. There are signs of the Federal Government breeding racism.”
What utter nonsense. Bali and East Timor are different because they’re located geographically near Australia, in the latter country’s sphere of influence. To its credit (but seldom voiced), Australia has taken the lead in helping both the government and the people of Indonesia and East Timor.
Lebanon, on the other hand, is greatly removed from Australia, both in distance and in its affairs.
Trad should apologize for accusing Australia of racism. And then resign. Until that happens, he should be ignored.
Posted by wronwright on 2006 07 19 at 08:29 AM • permalinkAbout the author of the “Fisk the Zionist Mouthpiece” story:
“Kim Petersen, Co-Editor of Dissident Voice, lives in the traditional Mi’kmaq homeland colonially designated Nova Scotia, Canada.”
What a tool.
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 07 19 at 08:30 AM • permalinkIve had a brain fart in relation to this query (not a man in a dress) from the Fiskwit.
“How do you explain the attack on the lighthouse outside my house? Is this a terrorist target?”
Fiskwit was takling about “tele guided missiles”, one of which apparently hit and disabled a Isaeli gunboat. these would require a line of sight to the target, yes?
Lighthouses are generaly built to be high, and visible from a long way out to sea? Made for extreme visibility? Both ways?
Anybody want to bet our Mr Fiskwit had the observer from the missile team and its guidance system “outside his house”?
I wont accuse him of having the actual missile nearby as for all I know it might have been mobile or some distance away.Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 19 at 08:30 AM • permalinkHmmm.
Fisk speed
Ok that one is for the library.
Anytime I’ve got an occasion to talk about leaving a bad situation fast ... it’s going to be described as “Fisk speed”.
Posted by memomachine on 2006 07 19 at 08:53 AM • permalink#61:
apparently Antony Loewenstein will be debating Ted Lapkin on Lateline tonight.
Oh, you better BELIEVE I’m pausing my movie to watch that.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 19 at 08:55 AM • permalinkFisk’s grasp of military strategy and hardware is very similar to Senator Ted Stevens’s understanding of “internets”, explained by the Senator in a guest post over at Iowahawk’s. Compare
I have been told there’s one company now you can sign up and you can get a talkie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box, you thread it into your projector and synchronize the Victorola, and wing zang zowie, you’re watching a Ruby Keeler feature with a newsreel and one of those hilarious Ritz Brothers shorts.
with
If you can hit a warship at two miles, you can probably hit an F-16 at one mile.
Actually, on reflection, the second is far dumber.
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 19 at 09:02 AM • permalinkWatching Ant and Ted now. So much for an early night.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 19 at 09:09 AM • permalinkUpdates, please. Is Loewy doing his usual stutter and whine routine?
Posted by James Waterton on 2006 07 19 at 09:10 AM • permalinkTed Lapkin (ex-Israeli army, by the way) is doing a nice job bitch-slapping Loewenstein. And he’s got plenty in reserve to smack Tony Jones if he needs it.
Just compared Palestinians getting turfed out in 1948 to Germans wanting a right of return to Poland.
Ted also got the last word in.
Posted by Oafish and Infantile on 2006 07 19 at 09:16 AM • permalinkhe Lebanese government is now admitting what they were claiming as a shot-down israeli aircraft was actually an Iranian missile that cooked off when the truck carrying it was attacked by Israeli aircraft.
Oafish and Infantile — How can this be? Everybody who’s anybody knows there are no Iranian missiles in Lebanon. You Zionist aggressor, you…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 19 at 09:21 AM • permalink77 James, I didn’t catch any stuttering, but whining there was.
I’m a girl so I can say this, be bleats like a little girl.
I don’t usually go for personal insults (online, at least, where everyone can see them), but he really is a big girl’s blouse.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 19 at 09:25 AM • permalinkHe did his usual lie about the Jewish only roads in the occupied territories. I caught him out once on his blog about that saying that they were Israeli only roads and he said this:
Pray tell the difference. An Israeli-only road only for…Jews. I’ve seen them and been on them. What exactly is unclear? There comes a time, and that time is now, that Israeli actions simply cannot be justified as “security”. Perhaps you aren’t ready for those truths.
Dickhead.
Just saw & heard Loewenstein speak for the very first on Lateline . He was very thing I expected him to be - pathetic.
Lapkin did an excellent job of putting him in his place & confronting him with his factual errors. His ignorance of basic geography is hilarious and the fact that he doesn’t want to concede to basic factual errors such as “Jewish only roads” (whether deliberately or intentionally) speaks for itself
Oops. Forgot to add: Lowy’s book got a plug, as you would expect, and Ted pointed out that it was full of misleading ideas (my words) and basically crap (again, my words) to which Ant replied that he’d expected that.
Also, Ant rabbited on a bit about anti-semitism, and Ted had to smack him down on that one. Hehe. Pointed out that Ant was the only person to use that word.
Yay, Ted!
Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see the whole thing, but the little I caught was worth it.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 19 at 09:29 AM • permalinkThe Ant had his little book on the table the whole time, and mentioned it by name constantly. I thought Ted Lapkin did a good job, but damn he’s a wierd lookin’ fellow.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 19 at 09:37 AM • permalink’Rubber framed window’ on a jet - does this idiot ever do any research at all? I suppose if he found a broken fly-screen door on the beach, he would deduce they had sunk an Israeli submarine!
Actually, a broken screen door would indicate a Polish submarine.
Posted by tim maguire on 2006 07 19 at 09:41 AM • permalinki guess from the sounds of it its worth staying up and watching over here in the west….
and i have to say while transcripts are good, they just don’t always convey the luancy of some of the discussions… for example hearing fisk stuck like a broken record is much funnier watching it than just reading it… pity they don’t have the interviews recorded so you can re-watch them…
Antony’s website has about 5 regular supporters and a few others that debate them. Most posts from his supporters are full of anti-semitic crap and he links to alot of Jew hating sites and visa versa. He then goes on Lateline saying that any debate criticising Israel attracts cries of anti-semitism.
God, I’d turned the television off. I was going to surf the net for a bit then do some writing, then go to bed.
My flatmate waltzes in and switches the tellie back on. The whole thing starts off with some bullshit about the ‘powerful’ Jewish lobby, and then follow it up with a 15 minute two way between Lapkin and Loewenstein.
It’s at this point that I take back anything I’ve said in the past about the ABC not being biased. It IS biased. Giving this sort of focus to the so-called ‘debate’ over the Jewish lobby is bloody outrageous ...
Like Nilk said, so much for an early night ...
Fisk mouths exactly the Zionist line. [5]
Sounds like someone needs a little time in a re-education camp.
Posted by andycanuck on 2006 07 19 at 10:11 AM • permalinkThe author of the article at Update 1 is apparently Kim Petersen, Co-Editor of Dissident Voice, who lives in the traditional Mi’kmaq homeland colonially designated Nova Scotia, Canada.
Sorry Canada, I thought Australia was the only place that had these sort of idiots with anti-colonial traditional homeland addresses.
Mi’kmaq, paddy whack, give the dog a bone ...
Posted by Whale Spinor on 2006 07 19 at 10:32 AM • permalinkIf you manage to plow through the article (and I only made it in a few paragraphs before MEGO kicked in) that accuses Fisk of spouting the Zionist line this is how the author is described at the end:
“Kim Petersen, Co-Editor of Dissident Voice, lives in the traditional Mi’kmaq homeland colonially designated Nova Scotia, Canada.”
I bet it’s a bitch fitting that on a driver’s license.
aaron_,
The Roman numerals aren’t from the Vatican; it’s obvious that Caesar is trying to reclaim Judaea for the empire.
I’m still imagining Fisk near the burning bush.
Robert.
?
Robert. I am the Lord your God. Come closer.
Who said that?
A bit thick, aren’t you? I’m using my classic material. I said, I am the Lord your God. Come closer.
[approaches]
Closer, Robert.
Yes, Lord?
[Bush flares up, blackening Fisk’s face with soot, as in an old cartoon]
Robert, you’re a putz.
Posted by JDFlanagan on 2006 07 19 at 11:25 AM • permalinkIf you can hit a warship at two miles, you can probably hit an F-16 at one mile.
It’s only an F-16 if you’re an Arab. The Israelis know it as the F-XVI.
Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2006 07 19 at 11:57 AM • permalinkYou know, if Fisk is writing on ‘road trips’ that might explain a lot. It’s been a long time, but as I remember it, road trips included just about at much alcohol and/or drugs as you could find, please whatever sex was available. As long as Fisk doesn’t come under Sharia and get his hands cut off, he’ll do fine on the sex part, and the alcohol and drugs could explain both his writing and his tv appearances.
Drunk and Stoned is no way to go thru life, son.
Posted by JorgXMcKie on 2006 07 19 at 12:12 PM • permalinkIs Fisk Speed beyond even…Ludicrous Speed?
Posted by WingDynasty on 2006 07 19 at 01:48 PM • permalinkStuartcooper,
I’m so sorry to, er… Fisk you :), but 225 would be CCXXV.
But yes, I do agree with the spirit of your post. Fisk is a clueless tool.
Posted by ElMondoHummus on 2006 07 19 at 02:01 PM • permalinkWhoops. Pixy beat me to it. I concede to Pixy Masa as the first to point that out.
But I think we all agree, Fisk is a tool.
Posted by ElMondoHummus on 2006 07 19 at 02:02 PM • permalink#51 crash: United Nations rumoured to be the HIGHER BIDDER who GAZUMPED Australians fleeing from Lebanon -by taking over a ferry the Australian government had chartered
Crash, you must know that every world disaster needs a lot of UN Observers shipped in to—observe. The Indonesian Tsunami proved that.
Just been listening to ABC Radio (I know, that was my first error). It was shocking. Basically they were accusing the Israeli’s of indescriminatly bombing civilain populations, deliberatly targetting refugee and UN convoys and of course shilling the Hezbollah position - “The Israeli’s have no idea of our numbers and our weapons, we can keep this up for months’, from which they concluded the Israeli’s were completely failing to have any effect on Hezbollah.
They also sounded shocked that 86% of Israeli’s think the campaign is justified.
And on ABC News Radio there was a bit from the BBC were the presenter was talking to two Arab-Israeli sisters who had been seperated because of the Hezbollah attacks and he was doing everything he could to get them to say that the Jews were turning on Arab-Israeli’s. They didn’t bite, but he kept on at it.
National Public Radio in the US is no better. Although, one reporter naiively asked a question that got the reporter to, with some discomfort, aver that yes, Hezbollah was launching rockets from near-by civilian neighborhoods. Of course they jumped right back into Israel bashing after the minor embarrasment of reporting a relevant fact was over.
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Fisky seems to have his cause & effect mixed up. Amongst everything else.
He makes a living doing this, huh?