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AWARENESS RAISING CONTINUES

When these people talk about raising awareness, it’s mainly of their own hypocrisy:

“We have turned out the lights in the studio,” NBC’s Bob Costas told viewers of Sunday’s Dallas Cowboys-Philadelphia Eagles game, “to kick off a week that will include more than 150 hours of programming designed to raise awareness about environmental issues."

Discerning viewers with eyes keen enough to pierce the sanctimonious glare of Costas’ candlelit silhouette may have noticed that the stadium’s klieg lights still shone brightly.

In other eco-sport news, Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff - the audience plant who told Hillary Clinton of her global warming concerns - recently made the state finals of a high school volleyball competition. How did she travel there?

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In a carbon convoy of evil SUVs! Let’s not condemn her too quickly, however. It’s possible that, like SUV driver Patti Saraniero, Muriel washed away her wickedness with magical carbon offsets:

Ms. Saraniero logged on to the Web site of TerraPass, a retailer of offsets in San Francisco, used its online calculator to figure out the amount of carbon she needed to offset and paid the company $100 to do it ...

TerraPass has sold 80,000 offsets so far this year, compared with 20,000 at this time last year.

What a perfect scam.

UPDATE. Warmies can’t count.

Posted by Tim B. on 11/11/2007 at 04:56 PM
  1. Wait ‘til those Nigerian lads get hold of it.

    Paco...?

    Posted by fidens on 2007 11 11 at 05:16 PM • permalink

  2. What a perfect scam.

    But isn’t it better to be scammed by a company you know and trust? That’s why I recommend Perfectly Authentic Carbon Offsets, from Paco Enterprises’ environmental products subsidiary, People Against Climate Obliteration, LLC. Each certificate is beautifully engraved with a picture of a global warmtrooper stickin’ it to the man!

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 05:19 PM • permalink

  3. Excuse me for asking, but are carbon credits issued by private companies sanctified sanctioned by the Kyoto Treaty?  If they’re not, they can’t be used to justify exorbitant consumption that generates greenhouse gasses. 

    Next time, Muriel and the rest of her team need to attend the state finals by teleconference.

    Posted by wronwright on 2007 11 11 at 05:21 PM • permalink

  4. #2: And BTW, it’s just a coincidence that the Paco carbon offset certificate looks like a “Get-out-of-gulag-free” card from the Bolshevik version of Monopoly.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  5. Climate change alarmists have so many apocalyptic deadlines, from year to 3001 to 10.14 this morning.

    So here is my prediction - in 2010 the western world will wake up the whole global warming, carbon credit scam. For Australians it will be end of Rudd’s term, for Americans it will be two years of the Democrats.

    The scam will be exposed by Chinese and Indian scientists who object the Rudd/Clinton/EU Kyoto 2 plan that these new economic superpowers should return to their subsistence agarian roots and systematically starve to death about 50% of their populations.

    Posted by Contrail on 2007 11 11 at 05:26 PM • permalink

  6. The madness is spreading.
    I saw an Outback coach trip advertised as “carbon neutral”.
    Will the tourists push the coach?

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2007 11 11 at 05:35 PM • permalink

  7. Another comment. Am I the only person alarmed at Rudd’s plans for an Australian hybrid car subsidised to the tune of $500m. This is a sop to both of Rudd’s puppet masters, the ACTU and the Greens, because the car is seen as a way of propping up unionised factories and “saving” the environment.

    Now it goes without saying that this car will be a crock, so it will need more than a subsidy to make people buy it. Will proper cars be taxed off the market? Will we return to the past when the only affordable (and I use that term loosely) cars were dated, unsafe rust buckets (remember the HD Holden?) badly assembled by militant unionists who were on strike as often as they were at work lounging in the factory canteen? Will it be called the Glorious Worker’s Car or the Whitlam?

    Make a note - buy a new car before the next federal budget.

    Posted by Contrail on 2007 11 11 at 05:39 PM • permalink

  8. Anyone who has been to a largish football match could tell you that, framed tightly as it is, this doesn’t look like 30,000.

    Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 11 11 at 05:39 PM • permalink

  9. Don’t miss this great slide show from the extremely reliable Time magazine on the subject of global warming. The first picture is somewhat baffling; I mean, it’s supposed to be a desert. And there’s a comical photo of a bunch of pandas lying around like a lot of Roman patricians at the emperor’s saturnalia feast. And what’s this fellow up to? Notice that he’s . . . smoking.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 05:52 PM • permalink

  10. #5
    That’d be after North Korea won the Nobel Peace Prize for it’s efforts to lower carbon emissions and lower the carbon footprint of it’s inhabitants.

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 11 at 06:00 PM • permalink

  11. TV is so stupid.

    Now they’re saying that all the eco-’sasters, terroristers, diseases and the nukes are the doing of these four guys who ride horses and have “A paco’s lips”.

    There isn’t “A paco”. There’s The paco! And, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t loan his lips out to anyone, fancy horse riders or not.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2007 11 11 at 06:06 PM • permalink

  12. #11 Grimmy,

    LMFAO!!!!!

    Posted by Pogria on 2007 11 11 at 06:32 PM • permalink

  13. The asshole driving in the left (apropos, no?) lane is the kind of asshole that drives (no pun, although, not bad) nuts. Slower vehicles are to be in the right lane...and since this red SUV is behind the blue SUV, it IS slower.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 06:34 PM • permalink

  14. OH and Bob Costas, is a sissy boy.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 06:49 PM • permalink

  15. Carbon credits are not a new invention. They existed in mediaeval times too:

    The ability to grant full or partial pardons from the punishment of sins has been used by members of the Western Church’s hierarchy throughout history. These indulgences were related to the removal of the temporal punishment of forgiven sinners.

    In 1517, Pope Leo X offered indulgences for those who gave alms to rebuild St. Peter’s Basilica in Rome. The aggressive marketing practices of Johann Tetzel in promoting this cause provoked Martin Luther to write his 95 theses, protesting what he saw as the purchase and sale of salvation. In thesis 28 Luther objected to a saying attributed to Tetzel: “As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs”.[3]

    The 95 Theses not only denounced such transactions as worldly but denied the pope’s right to grant pardons on God’s behalf in the first place: the only thing indulgences guaranteed, Luther said, was an increase in profit and greed, because the pardon of the Church was in God’s power alone.

    Posted by Evil Pundit on 2007 11 11 at 06:49 PM • permalink

  16. #13
    El Cid
    Come to Queensland, we have pletnty of slow drivers in the right lane....

    Of course, we also drive on your wrong side of the road!

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 11 at 07:21 PM • permalink

  17. #11: And, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t loan his lips out to anyone, fancy horse riders or not.

    Damn straight. If I did, my cigarette would fall out of my mouth.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 07:25 PM • permalink

  18. 16 kae

    That would freak me out, til I got use to it.

    Then I’d ride their asses, glare at the driver of the vehicle, wherever I can see his or her eyes looking at me, or the Red Explorer (rear view mirror or side view) (as I do here) and waggle the Explorer’s front end, so i’m sure they see me, before they decide to move into the proper lane.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 07:35 PM • permalink

  19. Here’s two horses of the apocalypse.

    Here’s another two .

    We keep them apart.  The quorum of the apocalypse is what you have to watch out for.

    Otherwise they have methane parties.

    Posted by rhhardin on 2007 11 11 at 07:38 PM • permalink

  20. El Cid
    When are you coming over to be forward scout for me? There are a few people who ‘need attention’ in the mornings who I regularly see, and there’s the 4WD hoon who tailgates and passes over double lines in dangerous places… and I’m already doing a little over the speed limit! He’s a bloody maniac, and will cause an accident one day. Probably won’t get hurt himself. He’s just plain dangerous.

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 11 at 07:38 PM • permalink

  21. OT: Paco – on a previous thread, you asked for enlightenment on the meaning of “preferences” in Oz politics. Kaboom directed you to the boring Electoral Commission site. Another view comes from Bill Bryson’s Down Under (a deeply unimaginative title, perhaps foisted on him by his publisher):

    “… a book I had bought at a second-hand bookshop in Sydney. Called Inside Australia and published in 1972, it was by the American journalist John Gunther, a name that once towered in the annals of travel journalism but is now, I fear, largely forgotten…At length I turned to the chapter on Australian politics – my reason for buying the book in the first place…there is nothing in Australian life more complicated and bewildering to the outsider than its politics… Gunther gave it a game stab, I must say, but it was a challenge beyond even his talents for lucid compression. Here, for instance, is just a snippet of his attempt to explain Australia’s system of preference voting:

    <<If after the second-preference votes are added to the first, there is still no candidate with a majority of the total ballots cast, the process is repeated: the ballots of the candidate trailing at this stage of the computation are divided up on the basis of second preference. If he inherited some second-preference votes from the first man eliminated, these are now redistributed on the basis of third preference. And so on.>>

    I particularly liked that casual concluding ‘And so on.’ It’s a deft piece of work because it seems to say: ‘I understand all this perfectly, but I see no need to tax you with the details,’ whereas what he is really saying is: ‘I haven’t the faintest idea what any of this means and frankly I don’t give two tiny mouse droppings…’”
    I suspect this is also the opinion of many Oz voters.

    Posted by s.r.intulom on 2007 11 11 at 07:39 PM • permalink

  22. Oh, and driving on the wrong side of the road is OK, until you turn a corner and automatically go for the wrong side of the road… then when you get yourself sorted you still panic about being on the wrong side of the road.
    It’s OK, when the gendarmes in New Caledonia pull you over you just smile and say “I’m a tourist.” they smile, and shake their heads, and let you go.

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 11 at 07:40 PM • permalink

  23. To Patti, from us at timblair.net, with love and laughter.

    Posted by dean martin on 2007 11 11 at 07:49 PM • permalink

  24. 20 & 22

    Dear Lady kae...gotcha and will look foward to scouting...:).

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 07:50 PM • permalink

  25. #21: Thank you, S.R. I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one who finds the electoral math difficult to comprehend.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 08:23 PM • permalink

  26. rhhardin

    Good looking horses...and your land is lovely.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 08:23 PM • permalink

  27. By the way, I don’t see one named Global Warming. Didn’t they have to put him down after a fall at Santa Anita last year?

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 08:31 PM • permalink

  28. For those of you not acquainted with the home of Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff, Orcas Island is a quaint place in the middle of the Puget Sound, in a chain of islands known as the San Juan Islands.

    And the place is a haven for ancient hippies.

    Back in the 60’s, the San Juans were strictly limited to farmers, fishermen, boaters, and some summer homes; I grew up looking at them across the Sound, and occasionally visiting them.  Since then, I been over there a number of times, to visit friends and relatives.

    Living there in the 1960s was an ideal place for a lot of the “flower children”, and the land was cheap, so they’d buy a plot, build a hovel, and live free, not to mention one with nature.  Eventually, they grew old (not “up"), got jobs (or social security checks), and some even went into business.  Or local politics. 

    Since then, the islands have become a large tourist attraction, and a large number of wealthy people have moved out there, or have some very nice summer homes.  Indeed, some have outright purchased smaller islands for their own homestead (real estate is very dear there now).  But the original life style remains, at least politically (there are not many hovels around there now, I can assure you).

    As evidence, I commend to you the same local fish wrap that Tim linked to for the story Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff’s pilgramage to the state basketball finals, the San Juan Islander (the Orcas edition).

    At the top of that linked page, please note the prominent links to the BBC, “Democracy Now”, and “Iraq War Casualties”.  And note the order of the links; those three links are the first, indicating a certain degree of emphasis.  And, IMHO, a definite lean to the left.

    Another point of interest:  Orcas was in the news last May, when veteran graves were desecrated

    Now, I am not implying that Muriel is a moonbat, but she was certainly raised in a community of them.  But this might explain her willingness to shill for the Hillary campaign.

    I also want to emphasize that while San Juan County in general, and Orcas Island in particular, is “bluer than blue”, there are many fine people living there who are good Americans.  Even registered Republicans!  :-P

    It’s just that the place is a miniature copy of San Fransisco, Seattle, or even Berkley.  Just with a lot more trees, water, and Orca whales. 

    Oh, and one last point:  Muriel had a VERY large carbon footprint on that trip to the state finals.  She either flew to the mainland, or took the state ferry......both of which are huge carbon emitters.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 11 11 at 08:55 PM • permalink

  29. And, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t loan his lips out to anyone, fancy horse riders or not.

    I have to disagree here.  I’m pretty confident that Mrs. Paco has use of the Paco lips whenever she pleases.

    US network and cable TV has been rife with pious green advertising and sanctimonious green quotes, and even entire, utterly boring, green plotlines inserted into every program this week.  It was “green week”, apparently.  By Friday I was pulling my hair out.  It’s enough to make you glad there’s a writer’s strike.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2007 11 11 at 09:10 PM • permalink

  30. #13 El Cid, pay a little closer attention.

    The red SUV has its right turn signal on. Perhaps the sojurn in the left lane was brief.

    Regards,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 11 at 09:36 PM • permalink

  31. I’m pretty confident that Mrs. Paco has use of the Paco lips whenever she pleases.

    Oh my...do tell us more, Rebecca...lol.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 09:44 PM • permalink

  32. Ric

    The red SUV has its right turn signal on. Perhaps the sojurn in the left lane was brief.

    And perhaps it’s the..dumb shit always seen, with the turn signal ON...for miles.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 09:49 PM • permalink

  33. The US Nat’l Park Service had a pretty reliable method for determining the size of crowds at demonstrations on the national mall. Trouble was their count always came in way under the number touted in the media by the organizers. Finally, after years of people jumping ugly with them, they stopped doing it altogether. I’m sure we haven’t had an accurate count since.

    What fools these global warming mortals be.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2007 11 11 at 10:15 PM • permalink

  34. #32 El Cid:

    Always possible, of course, but if that picture was taken where I think it was—I90 just east of the mountains—that is not normally survivable, or not for long. A Peterbilt 120 longtail with 800 HP Caterpillar turbo diesel, loaded with a Korean shipping container and confused as to whether that’s the route number or the speed limit, trumps a Suburban any day of the week.

    Regards,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 11 at 10:31 PM • permalink

  35. Ric

    Road Captain’s abound...BUT you are correct...

    A Peterbilt 120 longtail with 800 HP Caterpillar turbo diesel, loaded with a Korean shipping container and confused as to whether that’s the route number or the speed limit, trumps a Suburban any day of the week.

    Especially if the road warrior is loaded up on, road asprin

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 11:16 PM • permalink

  36. More Muslim engineering (well, Swiss, actually).

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 11:37 PM • permalink

  37. El Cid,

    True story:

    Motoring eastbound on I81 in Tennessee one sunny afternoon, there was a “road captain” tying up traffic. This particular individual was the pernicious variety who would speed up a bit, only to arrive in the blind spot of the next vehicle and essentially park there, and the result was what the Brits call a “tailback”, a loose jam of vehicles all maneuvering futilely to get ahead, most of them unaware of what’s causing the tieup.

    One of the vehicles immediately behind the “captain” was a Freightliner longnose pulling an empty flatbed. He bobbed and weaved, even doing the Trucker’s Incentive—pulling up so close the guy couldn’t have seen anything in his mirror but ‘eightlin’—all to no avail. You could see his frustration build minute by minute.

    The confusion around an exit/entry left a brief slot, and the trucker pulled around on the right. He then got in front of Capt. Oblivious, drifted back to within twenty yards or so, and popped the safety dump on the trailer brakes. The rear end of the flatbed bounced back and forth the full two-lane width of the Interstate, slinging up blue smoke and making a howl I could hear half a mile back.

    The individual making the trouble dived for the next exit. My traveling companion, who hadn’t been paying much attention, asked, “What was that all about?”

    “I believe,” I said, “that it was in the nature of an editorial comment.”

    Regards,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 11 at 11:39 PM • permalink

  38. #37: Ooooo! I-81!! That’s a dangerous highway. Did you ever see the movie, Duel? Well, all the truckers on I-81 are like that.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 11 at 11:43 PM • permalink

  39. 37 Ric Locke

    rotflmao…

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 11 at 11:51 PM • permalink

  40. #38 paco, there’s a reason for that.

    Look at a map, and try to think like a trucker. I95 is essentially unusable if you’re carrying anything but plush toys, thanks to DC and Baltimore, and the tolls collected by the guys in black-and-white cars are damned high. I85 doesn’t go anywhere; if you’re trying to get stuff to the Northeast, I81 is pretty much it.

    It’s not so bad in Tennessee, but in western Virginia it’s two lanes where it ought to be four for the traffic, and the Virginia State Patrol stay away in droves except during the night lulls, when they have a chance of escaping if somebody gets hostile with 85,000 pounds of machinery. Every one of those truckers has a deadline he has to meet in order to get paid, and doesn’t have much patience with delays. Mad Max would hit the exit and seek an alternate route, maybe one with cows.

    Regards,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 12 at 12:03 AM • permalink

  41. Actually, the a-paco-horsey set played football for Notre Dame. Didn’t know that did ya?

    “Outlined against a blue-grey October sky, the Four Horseman rode again.  In dramatic lore they are know as Famine, Pestilence, Destruction and Death.  Their real names are Struhdreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden.”

    From the immortal Grantland Rice’s description of the 1925 Notre Dame-Army game at the Polo Grounds in New York.

    Posted by yojimbo on 2007 11 12 at 12:32 AM • permalink

  42. Ric

    Now that I’ve stopped choking…

    Was driving the Florida Turnpike a while back, don’t know if you are familiar with that one. All rest areas are in the center of North and South bound. (don’t know for sure, all turnpikes may have the same set up)

    Some damn doofus pulled a similar trick with a long hauler. I was close enough to see, that when the “doofus” exited to the rest area, the long hauler followed, smoked the tires to a stop...that’s all I saw and all I wanted to see.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 12 at 12:34 AM • permalink

  43. #41: Hate to disappoint you, old top, but I did know that; I saw the movie (Pat O’Brian and Ronald Reagan).

    Which reminds me. I recall a snippet of something funny Westbrook Pegler wrote during a Harvard/Yale football game during the ‘20’s. I think Yale had scored a touchdown, and Pegler wrote that the “Yale fans rose as one raccoon.”

    #40: Ric - You’re right about that. There’s nothing quite like driving up into the fog-shrouded mountains on the way to Roanoke, the road slippery with rain, and have one (or several) of those bad boys close on you from behind.

    Posted by paco on 2007 11 12 at 12:43 AM • permalink

  44. Paco/Ric

    #40: Ric - You’re right about that. There’s nothing quite like driving up into the fog-shrouded mountains on the way to Roanoke, the road slippery with rain, and have one (or several) of those bad boys close on you from behind.

    Bingo..Had that pleasure on my way to Blacksburg, this year. I-81 breaks North, off I-40 East about 25 or so miles from my area.

    Posted by El Cid on 2007 11 12 at 12:54 AM • permalink

  45. No, I’m not familiar with the Florida turnpike. I’ve never had any reason to drive south of the Tampa-Mouseville-Canaveral line; every time I’ve been to Miami it was by air.

    Not all turnpikes put service areas in the median, but in my experience most do. It saves problems with restricting access to people who pay.

    But I’ve seen several incidents similar to what you describe, and from knowing a few truckers I can say with confidence that the mood is changing—ominously, to my mind. The downside of cheap transportation is that the drivers rarely share in much of the profit on the deal. Their schedules are tight and their revenue is low, and they’re getting increasingly impatient with delays and stupid obstructionism. I don’t expect anything spectacular, but the typical cellphone-chatting, oblivious-to-surroundings city driver needs to start paying a lot more attention in intercity driving lest the trip be, ah, interrupted.

    I think people who are mostly city commuters get acclimated to having vehicles on all sides, and feel vaguely nervous at being all alone out there; this is the ultimate source of “wolf packs”, though they’re made worse by people who block the road. The truckers are reaching the point where it’s no longer a case of politeness; they simply can’t afford delays any longer. It hasn’t got ugly yet, but the potential is there.

    Regards,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 12 at 12:57 AM • permalink

  46. Another comment. Am I the only person alarmed at Rudd’s plans for an Australian hybrid car subsidised to the tune of $500m. This is a sop to both of Rudd’s puppet masters, the ACTU and the Greens, because the car is seen as a way of propping up unionised factories and “saving” the environment.

    where will they get the energy to manufacture these cars?  Magnifying glasses?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 11 12 at 01:09 AM • permalink

  47. Someone needs to ask the primary thought bosses of the eco-fascist factions the questions relevant to the massive problem with battery disposal they’re so blithely creating for the rest of humanity with their unthinking, unreasoning, irrational drive to hybridize our vehicles.

    The Greens must really hate our momma Gaia.

    Posted by Grimmy on 2007 11 12 at 01:16 AM • permalink

  48. Off to bed. Grimmy, I’ve been preaching that since hybrids first started being the In Thing. Nobody pays attention. Most people appear to think that batteries are magic objects that make the music work and are inert otherwise.

    Meanwhile, if you’re Aussie or insomniac, pop over to <a href="http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/moviegoers-flee-toms-lions-for-lambs-flock-to-films-with-jerry-denzel-russell/#comment-8158">Nikki Finke’s place</a> and marvel at the discussion of <i>Lions for Lambs</i>. It’s worth keeping in mind what Cathy Seipp (RIP) thought of Finke, but the commenters are most gratifying. Sample:<blockquote>My politics are blue, unreconstructed 60s liberal and I can honestly say this (non) movie was one of the worst (non) cinematic experiences I have ever had. The script was laughably bad...</i></blockquote><i>Most enjoyable. Let’s see if she lets my comment through :-)

    ‘Night all,
    Ric

    Posted by Ric Locke on 2007 11 12 at 01:26 AM • permalink

  49. #7
    Rudd’s plans for an Australian hybrid car subsidised to the tune of $500m.

    Hopefully, it’s just a straw man; even Labor, under the Button car plan, sought to rid the Oz industry of inefficiency.

    Nonetheless, apparently the ACTU has submitted a prototype diesel-hybrid engine.

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 11 12 at 01:27 AM • permalink

  50. #8

    WTF, is that Phillip Adams perched in the from row?

    Posted by Craig Burden on 2007 11 12 at 03:27 AM • permalink

  51. Well I hope they carpooled!

    i can’t help this notion that carbon offsets are suspiciously close to that idea of Catholic indulgences they used to offset sin in the Middle Ages. Raised a lot of money for the Church of course...hey, wait a minute…

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 11 12 at 03:47 AM • permalink

  52. #10: ...or you win a prize for kindergarten-level spelling.

    Posted by Honkie Hammer on 2007 11 12 at 03:50 AM • permalink

  53. #15, oops, next time I’ll read the qwhole thread before posting.

    Posted by carpefraise on 2007 11 12 at 03:54 AM • permalink

  54. Carbon Credits = indulgences is a very old thought here. I’ve been meaning to do a rejig on Chaucer’s Pardoner’s Tale, which someone already did here, but I haven’t had time. I’ll probably never have time…

    Anyway, the world as we know it will end before then.... what with peak oil, globalwarmenizing and so on.

    Posted by kae on 2007 11 12 at 04:01 AM • permalink

  55. #15 #54
    Radix malorum est cupiditas (Greed is the root of all evil) - Gore, Flannery, et al?

    Posted by egg_ on 2007 11 12 at 04:40 AM • permalink

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