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LEFTISTS ATTEMPT SOMETHING

A reminder of 1980s commie optimism from David Thompson.

Posted by Tim B. on 01/28/2008 at 08:22 PM
  1. As Tim’s banged up in a hospital, he’s probably reading three year old copies of The Bulletin and didn’t get the news :-)

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 01 28 at 11:36 PM • permalink

  2. I’d better duck over to the last thread and tell people Tim’s awake!

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 01 28 at 11:44 PM • permalink

  3. Bah! The videos on the page are buggered. I’m going to have to do work now [shudder].

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 01 28 at 11:59 PM • permalink

  4. Oh, the formatting’s right now… maybe it’s fixed.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 04:03 AM • permalink

  5. It’s almost always comical to watch socialists and lefties attempt to set up and operate a business.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 29 at 04:08 AM • permalink

  6. I liked the section where Pillger was announced as senior editor, then buggered off for 6 months to make a film about Bondi beach. Only leaving a written list of “suggestions” for staff to employ.
    Then later on he whinges about how it was dull, but that he “had no regrets”.

    They needed 800,000 to break even, by the end they were hovering around 200,000, this while M.Thatcher was busy remaking the landscape. For a lefty paper to have failed around then must have really required some effort.
    The fact that a number of them now inhabit the BBC is a natural thing though.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 29 at 04:18 AM • permalink

  7. Air America anyone?

    Posted by Cashew on 2008 01 29 at 04:40 AM • permalink

  8. That ain’t nuttin’.  Here in the USfreakingA we got a whole lefty Congress can’t get nuttin’ done!

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2008 01 29 at 04:46 AM • permalink

  9. Its amazing, nothing has changed, still drifters and dreamers. Not a drop of common sense in any of them.

    Sadly, they just couldn’t see the obvious conclusion: they sacrificed the pensions of working class folk to indulge in a fantasy that could have only been rescued by adopting a capitalist model. Rather than admit ideological defeat they sacrificed their investors. Typical.

    Posted by captain on 2008 01 29 at 05:06 AM • permalink

  10. Gee.  Talk about being hoist by your own petard.

    “Engle’s documentary teases out how staggering incompetence was a direct result of ideological pretension. This is perhaps best illustrated by the scene in which, with the paper’s first edition about to go to press, most of the staff is out of the office on a deafness awareness day.”

    I think the best illustration was that the start-up lefties decided, on ideological grounds, that only their chosen ideologically (or victimologically) pure “founders” could sack the editor and the “founders”, no doubt being true believers in the idea that anyone who has a job should be able to keep it for as long as they like, refused to sack the editor even though he wasn’t doing what they thought he should be doing.

    Stupid, witless people.

    And not only did they sacrifice their investors (see #9) they did it in the hope of electoral gain.  Bastards!

    Posted by Janice on 2008 01 29 at 05:14 AM • permalink

  11. Failed to produce what they promised to produce?
    Not really. 
    That slow motion car wreck produced a result which socialism is guaranteed to produce.

    Posted by lotocoti on 2008 01 29 at 05:25 AM • permalink

  12. Priceless!

    Posted by RichS on 2008 01 29 at 05:33 AM • permalink

  13. And they want to run economies!

    Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 01 29 at 05:34 AM • permalink

  14. It was typical of the Left that they fought this ideological battle with other people’s money, people who never got a say. Bet each and every trade union boss and super fund manager continued to draw their pay even as their members’ investment drained away.

    The Left would have more credibility if they were willing to risk their own money on their hare-brained schemes.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 29 at 05:35 AM • permalink

  15. Imagine that, commies failing at business. Good thing they have the Beeb and other taxpayer-funded sinecure-providing outfits to fall back on.

    Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2008 01 29 at 05:40 AM • permalink

  16. #13

    And they want to run economies!

    I don’t think so.
    They think economies run themselves.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 05:44 AM • permalink

  17. #16

    Correction acknowledged.

    Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 01 29 at 05:53 AM • permalink

  18. They want a ‘society’, they don’t want an ‘economy’.
    Correct me if I’m wrong, but you can’t have the former without the latter.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 05:58 AM • permalink

  19. Engle’s documentary teases out how staggering incompetence was a direct result of ideological pretension.

    Being Left means never having to grow up.

    Oh, and losing other people’s money but never, ever your own.

    Hehe - “staggering incompetence”.  I like that.

    Posted by ann j on 2008 01 29 at 06:08 AM • permalink

  20. #19

    How does the real left wing dialectic go?

    We have a problem.
    I have the solution.
    You have to pay.

    Posted by Toiling Mass on 2008 01 29 at 06:11 AM • permalink

  21. Hmmm! Carpefraise informs us that Traceee is to join the 7.30 Report. Just as well they are on the taxpayer dollar.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 29 at 06:13 AM • permalink

  22. #8

    That ain’t nuttin’. Here in the USfreakingA we got a whole lefty Congress can’t get nuttin’ done!

    Could Richard, Paco, TRJ or another of our learned American friends please explain how receiving the “Kennedy mantle” - evoking a whole clan of lefties who haven’t run any kind of business since old Joe kicked off his mortal deck shoes in Hyannisport 40 years ago - how, as I ask, receiving the “Kennedy mantle” makes Obama a more electable president? JFK lied about the “missile gap”, screwed up the Bay of Pigs, escalated the bejesus out of Vietnam, greenlighted the assassination of the Diems, ran a veritable Murder Inc with the mafia in the Caribbean, didn’t understand economics and despised businessmen, couldn’t have cared less about civil rights until dragged into it, got humiliated by Kruschev in Vienna, gave up American nukes in order to placate the Supreme Soviet after the Cuban Missile Crisis, was indubitably a drug addict and a serial abuser of women. And the man who bestows The Kennedy Mantle is Edward Moore Kennedy, most famous for not letting the small matter of a suffocating girl’s water-clogged lungs get in the way of his own personal narrative.

    I don’t get it. What in the blinking blue blazes is going on over there?

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 06:19 AM • permalink

  23. Love Pilger’s line towards the end of that documentary, when challenged that he had been ‘undermining’ the paper (by first manipulating the shambolic democratic structure of the paper to ensure that the editing and design process was fucked up, and then storming off in a huff and attacking the whole enterprise in the press):

    “Oh, it had to be undermined.”

    He really is a superb ideologue: he understands that one way to get out of answering a challenging question about one’s own moral duplicity is to admit to everything, too make it look like a virtue. Any further attempts to challenge him on this point would be met with pedantry and argument.

    Even better is how he later says about the paper - whose end he helped to engineer - that it “saddens” him.

    Hilarious stuff!

    Posted by TimT on 2008 01 29 at 06:28 AM • permalink

  24. #22 indeed - how can people think endorsement by the hero of chappaquiddick is a political plus?

    Posted by KK on 2008 01 29 at 06:32 AM • permalink

  25. oh & nice to see tim well enough to give us nuggets of moonbattery again

    Posted by KK on 2008 01 29 at 06:33 AM • permalink

  26. #18 Kae

    They want a ‘society’, they don’t want an ‘economy’.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but you can’t have the former without the latter.
    Po

    You are so right. During the last election, it amazed me how many people said the economy isn’t what’s important, it’s the (take your pick) environment, human rights, education, welfare etc.

    What people didn’t get, is that the economy is central to all of those things. Take any country with polluted drinking water, rampant human-rights abuse, widespread illiteracy or massive poverty and you can be assured they’ve got a lousy economy.

    Or if you’re in a hurry, simply look at the whole Arab world.

    Sure capitalist nations have problems, but it’s better than all the other systems.

    Posted by Dan Lewis on 2008 01 29 at 06:40 AM • permalink

  27. #22 and #24 . . . getting an endoresement from Teddy Kennedy is a kiss of death in flyover country, that bit between New York and Hollywood that we call the USA. That’s why Bill Clinton always kept him at arm’s length.

    Teddy’s endorsement doesn’t get Obama any more votes than he would have gotten anyway, and if anything, brings out the latent GOP vote from folks who don’t like having a president with Teddy Kennedy’s hand up his arse. Folks who’d rather go shooting with Dick Cheney than driving with Teddy Kennedy.

    http://www.bigthink.com/policy-politics/iraq/236

    Posted by Young and Free on 2008 01 29 at 06:42 AM • permalink

  28. “If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today, she would be praising Ted Kennedy for his stance on health care for seniors…”

    -Boston Globe reporter commenting on Ted Kennedy’s incredible humanitarian record

    Posted by Young and Free on 2008 01 29 at 06:45 AM • permalink

  29. “If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today, she would be praising Ted Kennedy for his stance on health care for seniors…”

    Either that or breathing through a straw from the bottom of a lake.

    Posted by surfmaster on 2008 01 29 at 06:54 AM • permalink

  30. The BBC just ran an interview with some jerk (who they believed unreservedly) commenting on the candidates and what they were thought of by overseas bloggers. His conclusions: overseas bloggers like McCain and dislike Rudy - in fact the more conservative the candidate the less he would be liked by the o/s blogger.
    What a crock!

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 29 at 06:55 AM • permalink

  31. Begone italics

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 29 at 06:56 AM • permalink

  32. basta!

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 29 at 06:57 AM • permalink

  33. Funny, I perviewed and all and still stuffed the italics,????

    Posted by surfmaster on 2008 01 29 at 06:58 AM • permalink

  34. Surfie, good thing Andrea’s not around!

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 07:00 AM • permalink

  35. Doh!!!!

    Posted by surfmaster on 2008 01 29 at 07:01 AM • permalink

  36. If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today,

    It would mean that she made a very different decision all those years ago, and she would probably not give a rat’s arse about Ted Kennedy.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 07:12 AM • permalink

  37. If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today… she’d be as wrinkled as pruneface (and not from age)

    Posted by eeniemeenie on 2008 01 29 at 07:19 AM • permalink

  38. #34 Kae, if Andrea’s not around, who fixed this broke post?
    I hope, for your sakes, you minions have not been tinkering again.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 29 at 07:24 AM • permalink

  39. (Shhh, Skeets, that was hours ago… don’t wake her, or Surfie’s sharkbait!)

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 07:25 AM • permalink

  40. Oops! Sorry Surfie. Not another word from me.
    (Treads softly off to bed taking care not to wake anyone.) Gently closes italics and checks in perview.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 29 at 07:33 AM • permalink

  41. #10. Janice. ‘Anybody who has a job should keep it.’ That is exactly what happens in Local State and Federal Governments, along with their taxpayer funded bureaucrats. Hell, you could work in the Victorian Premiers Department, ogle porn all day, scan for bargains on eBay and any countless other things we don’t know about. All on the taxpayer’s time. If caught, what do you get. Well, you get ‘COUNSELLING’ and more than likely told you are naughty and please do not to do it again. (sarcasm now off).
    I wonder how some of these useless ‘snouters’ would go in a private performance driven company environment.

    Posted by BJM on 2008 01 29 at 07:43 AM • permalink

  42. 41. Even better, the old “last hired first off” of the old union days. Ensuring a hard core of bitter old unproductive farts was all you had left if you did have to lay off anyone.
    Plus it had the added benefit of making sure there was more “churn” of younger employees therefore jacking up the youth unemployment, which the unionists could take out full page adds blaming Conservative governments for.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 29 at 07:55 AM • permalink

  43. #42. thefrollickingmole.
    Oh yeah, I remember those days. What a waste of talent some of these companies lost. Talk about a ‘protected species.’

    Posted by BJM on 2008 01 29 at 08:06 AM • permalink

  44. Last night, I had such a brilliant, pithy comment ready for the #1 spot on this thread ... and the bloody program failed to take it.

    Can we start over?

    Posted by Rittenhouse on 2008 01 29 at 08:24 AM • permalink

  45. Alan Hayling (co founder and the lunatic nominally in charge of the News On Sunday asylum, and whose CV includes Michael Moore’s Bowling for Columbine) went on to become head of the BBC documentaries department (2004-06)- I wonder if there’s an element of payback in this Beeb doco?

    ‘He left the BBC after just two years in his post - a period he describes as “very frustrating”, during which his department was “emasculated” by internal reforms’ - the Guardian

    Posted by eeniemeenie on 2008 01 29 at 08:30 AM • permalink

  46. If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today, she’d only be going out with blokes who drive one of these.

    Did you know that Ted Kennedy’s chief claim to environmental fame is that he invented the car pool?

    Posted by Ubique on 2008 01 29 at 08:31 AM • permalink

  47. For once the lefties have cunningly outmanoeuvred us! This documentary is a self parody so sublime that to take any further piss would not only be redundant, but cruel.

    You sure that P.J O’Rourke didn’t have a hand in this thing?

    Posted by Penguin on 2008 01 29 at 09:21 AM • permalink

  48. #22 C.L. It’s largely a Massachusetts thing, which has always eluded my understanding. Ted is undoubtedly one of the most repugnant individuals to ever hold office in this country, and yet he is virtually guaranteed lifetime employment as a U.S. Senator - from Massachusetts, that is. I’m not entirely sure he would be electable in any other state. His endorsement may make a difference for Obama in Massachusetts, and may actually help him in some of the other “blue” states, since it provides cover for those liberals who might otherwise have been fearful of breaking openly with the Clinton machine, or who may simply have thought that Clinton was unbeatable and that a vote for Obama was wasted. And if Kennedy uses his influence to turn on the money tap for Obama, then things could get interesting, indeed.

    Young and Free at #27 is right, though, about flyover country: the Kennedy endorsement probably won’t get Obama any more votes than he would have gotten, anyway, out there in the liberals’ “Ultima Thule” of middle America - unless, as I’ve pointed out, the endorsement is perceived by Democrats, who either already like Obama, or are simply concerned about Clinton’s prospects in the general election, as a sign that there really is a viable alternative to Hillary.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 09:25 AM • permalink

  49. #22 C.L.

    It’s the MSM making a big deal of the Kennedy family endorsement, not the American public. Fortunately the Kennedys only get one vote apiece, just like the rest of us. Well, as far as we know.

    As for Massachusetts voters, they are not to be explained or understood. Besides continuing to elect Teddy the Thick, they’ve done the same for Kerry, which may have had alot to do with him thinking the rest of the country could be fooled as well in 2006.

    Posted by Retread on 2008 01 29 at 09:40 AM • permalink

  50. Its something Ive never understood. Is the Kennedy name enough to get you out of leaving a young girl to die, with no reprecussions?
    Or is it the photos of senior Democrat politicans in sexul congress with goats or something?
    We have a lot of time servers and dead wood in Australia (Al Grassby is one of the worst, check the bottom of the wiki for the nasty) but few whod be game enough to ride on the coattails of 2 dead rellies for life.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 29 at 09:53 AM • permalink

  51. Whoops missed the Grassby wiki.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 29 at 09:54 AM • permalink

  52. #50 Well, Kevni over here made an attempt to skate in to office on his father’s death didn’t he? Probably doesn’t count though, because I don’t think his dad had any political influence.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 29 at 10:04 AM • permalink

  53. #16 “#13

      And they want to run economies!

    I don’t think so.
    They think economies run themselves.”

    On the contrary. Economies don’t do too badly if you leave them mostly alone; the leftist however intervenes frequently and at length.

    #26 “You are so right. During the last election, it amazed me how many people said the economy isn’t what’s important, it’s the (take your pick) environment, human rights, education, welfare etc.”

    The economy isn’t important because everyone’s well-off. A bit of poverty will clarify their thinking nicely- I just wish I didn’t have to share in their self-inflicted misery or listen to their shocked, betrayed bleating when the obvious happens.

    Posted by wreckage on 2008 01 29 at 10:11 AM • permalink

  54. #22 - But JFK had such nice hair!
    Ann Coulter had the immortal line, to the effect that if you are young enough that Ted is the only Kennedy you are familiar with, the Camelot imagery is lost on you. This was the opening line in a serious and touching memorial to JFK Jr.

    Posted by Latino on 2008 01 29 at 10:29 AM • permalink

  55. Regarding the Kennedy Clan…..paco, Retread, Y&F, and the others, are correct in their points, but they’ve overlooked one very important.

    The Kennedy’s are filthy rich. 

    Add in their wealth, which generates influence, and they become makers and shakers, of a sort.  They’ve bought their “status”.

    Certainly they are viewed as “celebrities”, which means news worthy, although mostly on a paparazzi level.  Witness the Kennedy scion who crashed his private plane several years ago.  Such crashes are common, but that generated an incredible level of news coverage. 

    Most decent people view the Kennedy’s as a collection of decadent trailer trash living off of the legacy of John and Robert Kennedy….which was a skimpy meal in the first place. 

    I think that Jabba The Hutt’s endorsement of Obama as more of a whack against the Clinton Machine than it is an endorsement for Obama.  Ted Kennedy sees Hillary as a loser, and throwing her overboard so that he can continue to have a hand in American politics.

    Which fits in exactly with his personality, given that he left Mary Jo to drown in his car all those decades ago.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 29 at 10:34 AM • permalink

  56. And when I jump over to Captain’s Quarters, I find that Captain Ed has written an excellent post about other problems with the “coveted” Kennedy Kiss of Death “endorsement”.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 29 at 10:38 AM • permalink

  57. #51 frollicking: There was never a greater sh*t stain on this earth than Grasby.

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 29 at 10:46 AM • permalink

  58. Oops! #51

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 29 at 10:48 AM • permalink

  59. Double-dog oops!

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 29 at 10:49 AM • permalink

  60. OT, but is anyone else as pee’d off as I am about all of the MSM reporting only that Steven Smith told Condy about our troop withdrawal from Irag while studiously ignoring his total incompetence?

    THE G’Day USA week in New York has come and gone for another year but don’t expect Foreign Minister Stephen Smith to be invited back anytime soon.

    Smith left many trade officials and expat business leaders fuming when he talked down Australia at a high-powered investment lunch on Friday at the Waldorf Astoria.
    It wasn’t a deliberate low-blow of course. More a case of a new kid on the block failing to understand that everyone is supposed to bat for the same team when it comes to promoting Australia overseas, and that partisan politics should stay at home.

    Smith was clearly oblivious to these rules when, in giving a welcome to everyone present, he started railing against the economic legacy of the former Howard government, telling the 200-plus crowd the new Kevin Rudd Government had inherited an Australia with inflation troubles, a skills shortage and inadequate infrastructure.

    Read it -  and weep with embarrassment.

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 29 at 11:01 AM • permalink

  61. G’day Blairites.  Norm said you’re scratching your heads re Kennedy, Massachusetts. It’s a mystery, but here’s something on that under the good news re Kerry. 

    Hope all’s good, Tim, you gut-lessened wonder!

    Posted by crittenden on 2008 01 29 at 11:17 AM • permalink

  62. Oops. wrong link, try here.here

    Posted by crittenden on 2008 01 29 at 11:25 AM • permalink

  63. #55 TRJS

    Good point about the Kennedy money, but Kennedys don’t use their own money when they can use other peoples money, either taxes or campaign contributions.

    From Obama’s point of view the best reason to get Teddy’s endorsement, other than to deny it to Hillary, is to tap into the fund raising ability of Kennedy and his co-horts. Obama probably values that more than the prospect of any votes Teddy can produce.

    Posted by Retread on 2008 01 29 at 11:27 AM • permalink

  64. #55: What, Jeff S, no mention of how ol’ Joe Kennedy got his wealth? Well, he got his nest egg by rumrunning during Prohibition and then he shorted the stock market in Oct. 1929, and did plenty of rumormongering to push it over the edge. That’s how the Kennedy’s got their wealth. Camelot indeed.

    Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2008 01 29 at 11:29 AM • permalink

  65. D’Oh, no apostrophe,

    Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2008 01 29 at 11:31 AM • permalink

  66. The Kennedys are no better than the Escobars, which naturally makes them heroes of the left.

    Posted by Tommy Shanks on 2008 01 29 at 11:34 AM • permalink

  67. What, Jeff S, no mention of how ol’ Joe Kennedy got his wealth?

    Heh, Tommy, I thought about including Joe’s illicit booze bucks in my rant, but one can only slap people around so much, y’know?

    But it’s a valid point.  The Kennedy Clan got their working capital from breaking the laws way back when.  It ain’t old money, but it’s money.

    Retread, true enough, but their wealth is important, as working capital (i.e., intice suckers to donate to their campaigns), and as a front for “respectability”.  That’s how they got their leverage within the Democratic political machine.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 29 at 11:52 AM • permalink

  68. Much obliged to all for the Kennedy/Obama analyses. Kisses of death and fratricidal nastiness having become the order of the Democrat day, I wonder if the GOP can actually gallop from behind and pip all at the post. The sound of liberal heads collectively exploding if that eventuates would aurally surpass Krakatoa.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 12:02 PM • permalink

  69. He’s back!  He’s back!  (Happy dance, along with pounding of drums and Zulu spears, much drinking of mead!). 

    Here’s hoping you’re back to normal fast! 

    Elizabeth
    Imperial Keeper

    Posted by Elizabeth Imperial Keeper on 2008 01 29 at 12:11 PM • permalink

  70. #68 C.L. It was something interesting to do while sober, but tonight it’s back to aiding Tim’s recovery by downing adult beverages.

    Posted by Retread on 2008 01 29 at 12:15 PM • permalink

  71. In honour of Tim and ‘ol Joe Kennedy:

    “Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water.”

    - W.C. Fields

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 12:24 PM • permalink

  72. Meet Joseph P. Kennedy Sr.

    An opportunist with some brains, but still, an opportunist. OH, did I mention, parasite? Say on the order of today’s George Soros?

    All of the article in Wiki, is interesting, pay particluar attention to:

    Business career:
    Early ventures:
    Wall Street:
    Ambassador to Britain:
    Possible Anti-Semitism:
    Alliance with Joe McCarthy:
    Presidential ambitions for family:

    Well…SHIT. Just read it all.

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 01 29 at 12:33 PM • permalink

  73. Marks for supporting McCarthy.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 12:44 PM • permalink

  74. #71, CL, how appropriate. Today is W.C. Fields’ birthday. Great quote too.

    Posted by Latino on 2008 01 29 at 12:52 PM • permalink

  75. The NYT’s Potemkin conservative on the Kennedy endorsement.

    C.L.: You see what we’re up against. Even the occasional “conservative” gets caught up in the pomp and circumstance of our uncrowned royal family. But I think Brooks is probably in the minority among right-of-center political writers. The article linked by RJ is more typical.

    #60 SandiM: LOL performance by Smith. Must have been maddening for Australia’s business boosters to see the Foreign Minister make his appearance (figuratively) decked out in the raiment of a clown Auguste, pedaling around furiously on his squeaky little bicycle, and picking off the nobs with blasts from his seltzer bottle.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 01:12 PM • permalink

  76. I am so happy to see Tim back and posting again.  So hoping you’re feeling much better, Tim!

    Nice analyses of the Kennedys, but you’ve all forgotten one thing.  The Kennedys, from the old man on down, were masters at public relations and spin.  And the media loved them for it.  Camelot wasn’t created by the Kennedys alone.  It was partly the creation of the mass media, who loved the handsome young prince and his beautiful pillbox-hatted bride.  And behind the PR, they were masters of back-room deals, solidifying the dynasty that Old Joe, with his shanty Irish inferiority complex, wanted.

    There are so many of them, we’ll never be rid of Kennedys in public life, but hopefully the golden shine has tarnished beyond repair, and we’ll never again accord them the royal regard they grow up believing they’re owed.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2008 01 29 at 01:30 PM • permalink

  77. Hey, well, I’m boycotting the UK; wait until that hits the press!

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 01:31 PM • permalink

  78. 77 Paco

    Fromage your link:

    “the British are much more intelligent and civilized than the Americans.”

    In that caseth Gwyneth, me thinketh you don’t belongeth, now do youeth?

    And yet, sheeth breeds. Now that is scaryeth.

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 01 29 at 01:53 PM • permalink

  79. #72 Add Pro-Nazi
    Old Joe lost his Ambassadorship because of his overt pro-Nazi sympathies.

    He was also a stock-market manipulator—these days he would be in jail.

    Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 01 29 at 01:58 PM • permalink

  80. #77 Paco

    As a good capitalist you can’t refuse the British subjects the benefits of PACO Enterprises’ goods and services! You can, however, refuse to spend any of your obscenely huge profits in the kingdom. But what with the boycott of France, China, etc, etc, you’re rapidly limiting yourself to squandering your money only in the USA and Australia. Er, don’t let this get out or Congress might take that tax rebate off the table.

    Posted by Retread on 2008 01 29 at 01:59 PM • permalink

  81. #77 Paco, I think the UK will be much more worried about your boycott than the US will be about Gwyneth’s.

    Posted by Ash_ on 2008 01 29 at 02:01 PM • permalink

  82. Ted Kennedy endorses Obama, bringing the all-important fat, dissolute old sot and drunk-driving demographics.

    Then Caroline Kennedy compares Obama to JFK. Does this mean he will cut taxes and continuously cheat on his wife?

    Posted by Harry Bergeron on 2008 01 29 at 02:04 PM • permalink

  83. #8,

    Isn’t that a good thing?

    The less Congress does (no matter who is in it) the better off America is - well unless what they are doing is repealing their stupid laws, stopping the funneling of money from my pockets to whomever gave them the most contributions/votes, etc…

    Posted by sam on 2008 01 29 at 02:06 PM • permalink

  84. #80: As a good capitalist you can’t refuse the British subjects the benefits of PACO Enterprises’ goods and services!

    Perish the thought, old top! I meant only that they would be deprived of the incalculable moral and spiritual benefits that accrue to those who linger in the environs of my person. I’ll still take their money.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 02:34 PM • permalink

  85. OT (Hey, it’s me, what can I say, huh?)

    To let you know, as a little birdie, told me, our dear Saltydog is feeling poorly.

    Hopefully she will soon return in fine fighting form. (I wouldn’t dare go up against her..Tiz humiliating to get ones ass (me male, ugh) kicked verbally and physically.

    Myself and others have emailed Salty.

    Hearing from friends or foes (don’t believe there are…but) is a medication or drug, that cannot be prescribed by any Doctor. If you doubt that, ask MentalFloss and Tim.

    Should you think of it…Click her member name OR better yet..NOPE, can’t publish her email address…Just find her nic and send her a quick shout, through Tim’s list.

    Please do understand that if Salty does not answer, it is because of her condition.

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 01 29 at 03:28 PM • permalink

  86. Test. (Had a complaint about the page not working.)

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2008 01 29 at 03:48 PM • permalink

  87. OK, seems to work now. Carry on.

    Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2008 01 29 at 03:48 PM • permalink

  88. Woohoo! Tim’s back! I’m so happy I didn’t even bother to read his post. Guess I’ll have to go back and do that…

    SO great to see you back!

    Posted by Mambo Bananapatch on 2008 01 29 at 04:00 PM • permalink

  89. #86 Andrea Harris, Administrator -

    Test. (Had a complaint about the page not working.)


    Andrea, no no no.  I was referring to Pogria.  Someone assigned her to be my page this week, but Wildfire hasn’t been brushed yet, nor has he been saddled.  I’m late for my afternoon ride to the North 40 oil wells.  I want action.

    Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 29 at 04:23 PM • permalink

  90. Top this as a reason to pull for the Giants in the Super Bowl

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 05:17 PM • permalink

  91. RE: Al Grassby.

    Selflessly worked for…. himself. Lovely that such industry and dedication has been memorialised by a statue in his honour in Canberra.

    Sickmaking.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 05:26 PM • permalink

  92. #90 Paco

    Fortunately I don’t take advice on politics from football players any more than I do from actors. AIT really is the truth? Ha! I don’t think I’d even take advice from him on football.

    Posted by Retread on 2008 01 29 at 05:27 PM • permalink

  93. #89: There he is, your honor. Saddled and ready to go.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 05:27 PM • permalink

  94. WRONWRIGHT!!!!

    THE Senior Minionette to the VRWC does NOT perform the duties of a PAGE!

    No longer will I look away when you cravenly use my name to escape the wrath of Mistress Andrea when caught in the midst of one of your evil “taking over the world” machinations.

    I, who have always been there for you to give succour and tend your wounds when you came back injured and diseased from your mead raids. I, who add an extra TWO inches to your permanent record when assigned the duty of STAFF measuring.

    No more Wronwright. You have unleashed an anger so great it must be avenged in a manner of Biblical proportions. The Ten Plagues of Egypt which The Great God Paco rained down on Pharaohs’ head when Pharaoh had the audacity to nobble Paco’s favourite chariot team, will be as NOTHING when I unleash the power of a THOUSAND VALKYRIE upon your miserable form.

    The Tardis will be no safe haven for you. I have also offered a reward for your unsafe capture. A Thousand Gold Talents and a Two Week Nile Cruise on Cleopatra’s Barge to anyone who brings me the Head of Alfredo Garcia WRONWRIGHT!!!!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 29 at 05:31 PM • permalink

  95. Is anyone else dismayed at the retort from the MSM to the accusation of Mick Keelty that the MSM has a responsibility to hold back on reporting terrorist/terrorism investigations?

    The MSM retort is that the Police and Government painted Haneef as an undesirable and have ruined his reputation.

    Please enlighten me as to how the general populace find out this information. Isn’t it via the MSM?

    I’m sorry, I can’t find any links to the story currently being reported.
    Searching for something on the Keelty story I found this. Which I think could be a load of codswallop, reading this extract:

    The media in Australia has commented fairly and is very critical of the umpires and some senior members of the Australian team. We have excellent relations with Australia, and both Governments should watch the situation closely to ensure that things do not go out of control. The charge of racism against Harbhajan Singh is an insult to India. We have seen how charges of terrorism were fabricated against Dr Mohammed Haneef in the recent past. Clearly, a racist mindset exists in certain Australian quarters, but we should also reflect positively on the legal system in Australia, which investigated the case and ruled in favour of Dr Haneef and restored his visa.

    The only place things could get “out of control” is in India.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 05:37 PM • permalink

  96. #63

    Good point about the Kennedy money, but Kennedys don’t use their own money when they can use other peoples money, either taxes or campaign contributions.

    That’s the secret of keeping your wealth! Take no chances….

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 29 at 05:39 PM • permalink

  97. Before the assembled press horde, *Patriot superstar Tom Brady, a.k.a. the best quarterback ever, urged people to be more responsible. But he wasn’t just talking about sports stars.

    He urged everyone to go see Al Gore’s tedious opus, “An Inconvenient Truth,” because **”it really is the truth.” He then bragged about/confessed to driving a hybrid.

    ***As a Patriot fan, I find this several times more disturbing than SpyGate.

    *I dispute that. If it wasn’t for that cunning, no personality and cheating coach, Belishit or however it is spelled, gathering a talented group of offensive line brutes…Brady would be on his ass most of the time. Quick release or not.

    **On second thought, it just could be that Brady, has taken several hard blows in the head area.

    ***Well good for you Goldfarb. That and 5 bucks or more, will get you a crappy coffee at Starbucks. Now who is the fool, Goldfarb?

    Posted by El Cid on 2008 01 29 at 05:41 PM • permalink

  98. He then bragged about/confessed to driving a hybrid.

    Someone should go look into his garage. Also, check the cars/trucks he rents. Like most people in Hollywood, he owns a hybrid and drives something else. In fact, Streisand and Brolin would drive their hybrid to their private hangar and then fly in their private jet cross-country. Hilarious.

    Posted by Redd on 2008 01 29 at 05:51 PM • permalink

  99. 28, young and free

    If Mary Jo Kopechne were alive today, she would be praising Ted Kennedy for his stance on health care for seniors ...—Boston Globe reporter commenting on Ted Kennedy’s incredible humanitarian record

    You’re joking, right?

    The Kennedy clan do not have a good history with women -  I well remember when a college-aged member of the clan - I think from the Shriver branch - was detained for the rape of a girl in her early teens but was never brought to trial when she was pressured into withdrawing charges. 

    William Kennedy Smith was charged with rape around the same time as boxer Mike Tyson and was acquitted, though many still think he was guilty.  Tyson, who many thought had simply been a dumb schmuck, was assigned lousy legal representation and had the book and a prison term flung at him.  He converted to Islam during his imprisonment and never quite got back on the rails again. Always felt a bit sorry for the bloke.  At least until he bit that ear off.

    Posted by ann j on 2008 01 29 at 05:51 PM • permalink

  100. Now that Obama has been compared to JFK, who in today’s celebrity world will play the part of Marilyn Monroe?

    And, I think, a couple of vital issues yet to be explored by the commentariat

    1.  Will he automatically pick up the Irish vote or is an apostrophe needed?

    2. Much comment has been directed towards Obama’s attitude (if any) towards the military.  However, I have seen no analysis whatsoever on the issue of his name -Barack-and how this might effect US Defence policies if elected.

    Item 2…..clearly a need for Pyschological Analysis Concerning Obama

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 29 at 06:07 PM • permalink

  101. Here’s a small piece by Melanie Phillips.
    The rest of the interview is pretty interesting also.


    “The best line in Martin Amis’s otherwise defensive and uncomfortable interview with the Independent today is this:

      The reason that America is the only First World country with a non-declining birth rate is because of all those things we hate about it, you know – [it’s] patriarchal, church-going. I’m going to take this up because I think it’s such an enormous question – has feminism cost us Europe?

    Way to go, Martin.”


    And way to go Melanie!

    Great endorsement I reckon.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 29 at 06:31 PM • permalink

  102. #90 Paco. Looks like Brady took a few too many shots to the head.
    GO GIANTS!

    Posted by Latino on 2008 01 29 at 07:30 PM • permalink

  103. #99 ann j:
    Q: Why do the faces of Kennedy men become flushed during sex?
    A: It’s the pepper spray.

    Posted by Latino on 2008 01 29 at 07:34 PM • permalink

  104. Is the Pope Catholic ?

    Are the Kennedy’s gun shy ?

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 01 29 at 07:46 PM • permalink

  105. apologies for the apostopheric crime. slippies

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 01 29 at 07:48 PM • permalink

  106. #103: HAW! Hadn’t heard that one before.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 07:50 PM • permalink

  107. #100
    O’bama
    there is your apostrophe

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 29 at 07:51 PM • permalink

  108. and welcome back to regular blogging, tim.  only got halfway through the third video, though. 
    got bored.

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 29 at 07:53 PM • permalink

  109. Hey, kids! Eat your vegetables, and you, too, can grow up to be a whacked-out commie douche bag!

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 08:11 PM • permalink

  110. Also from the excellent Gateway Pundit, this respectful look at Kennedy’s endorsement.

    Posted by paco on 2008 01 29 at 08:14 PM • permalink

  111. #109, paco
    well that explains his paranoia!

    Posted by missred on 2008 01 29 at 08:22 PM • permalink

  112. Leftists attempt something #2.

    Current ABC headline:

    Annan launches Kenya mediation, violence spreads.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 08:22 PM • permalink

  113. Missed attempt_something that was quick.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 09:11 PM • permalink

  114. Pogria ......What is the VRWC…Vicious Right Wing Conspiracy perhaps?

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 29 at 09:14 PM • permalink

  115. Who has read The Spike (1980)? The MSM said it was fiction.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 09:18 PM • permalink

  116. Yet capitalist American audiences make her rich by paying good money to sit through her movies.

    I don’t.  But I’m sure she has plenty of residuals coming.  Unfortunately.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 29 at 09:28 PM • permalink

  117. Re #109, I’m sure that we’ll see all of his admirers in the USA using that as an excuse to snort cocaine.

    Also, re: #110…...BUAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 29 at 09:30 PM • permalink

  118. 112 Like Rwanda and Kosovo?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 09:36 PM • permalink

  119. #114 Rod C,

    “Pogria ......What is the VRWC…Vicious Right Wing Conspiracy perhaps?”


    No Rod, it’s what that bugger Wronwright squeals every time he’s brought before Mistress Andrea for punishment after being caught once again during the execution of another plan for World domination.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 29 at 09:37 PM • permalink

  120. 112. C.L.

    Couldnt resist tweaking the ABCs’ nose over the reporting in that story, just fired this off to the news department.

    “...There appears to be an unnecessary tone of editorialising in this item on the news page.

    “..Post-election protests have degenerated into cycles of killing between tribes who have never reconciled divisions over land, wealth and power left by British colonial rule, stoked by politicians at election time over 44 years of independence..”

    Why is it necessary to blame colonial rule for the current chaos? 44 years is quite some time ago, and until recently the country was considered largely a success story in Africa.
    The current chaos springs from the politics of indigenous Africans, not the divestment of colonial rule.
    Its this infantalizing of Africans which is disgracefully racist I cant stomach. The ABC can do better…”

    Hit their “racist ABC” button so it should get a response of some sort.

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2008 01 29 at 09:42 PM • permalink

  121. ABC that is Alway Biased Comment is it not?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:03 PM • permalink

  122. 120 - hilarious!  Hit them for having a go at colonialisation on racist grounds against their own independence - marvellous!

    A bit like the Indian cricket board saying we are now a powerhouse so watch out world, at the same time saying no indian could ever be racist.

    they really do need to think before they speak

    Posted by peter m on 2008 01 29 at 10:05 PM • permalink

  123. 122 are you casteing aspersions on Indians?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:11 PM • permalink

  124. “Me too” again: The Revolution Begins: Rudd announces national curriculum. Unions said no to Libs last year.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:25 PM • permalink

  125. Come November, McCain and Hillary of Beans?

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:31 PM • permalink

  126. Wayne’s World, episode 1

    “Last month in one of his first acts as Treasurer and in a show of open government, Wayne Swan invited public submissions before the May 13 budget.

    “By January 18, the cut-off date, the Government had received more than 5000 suggestions on how to spend money. These included 4750 requests from individuals and 300 from lobby groups and other organisations. Another 200 arrived after the deadline.

    “... the most [the former Coalition government] received in recent years was 196 before the 2006-07 document.

    “Mr Swan’s in-tray contains 30 times the 172 submissions Peter Costello received before last year’s budget. ‘This shows that when it comes to constructive ideas about making our economy more modern and more productive, the Rudd Government is listening’, Mr Swan said.”

    No, Wayne.  It shows that individuals, lobby groups and other organisations recognise a sucker when they see it.

    Posted by ann j on 2008 01 29 at 10:31 PM • permalink

  127. #83 Yes, it’s a very good thing (allowing for your proviso of when they are repealing laws and regulations and simplifying things).

    The ideal politician is one who buys a sombrero when they are elected and has a siesta for the next few years.

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 01 29 at 10:36 PM • permalink

  128. 126 ann j, now we know where the votes came from.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:36 PM • permalink

  129. #126 “NO, Wayne. It shows that individuals, lobby groups and other organisations recognise a sucker when they see it

    is that it or could it also be that no one has any faith in his ability to spend our money wisely. 

    Maybe a little of column A and a little of column B.  He was my local member for forever and he never replied to one of my letters so I can’t see him reading all of those submissions let alone replying.

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 29 at 10:37 PM • permalink

  130. 129, he is Labor so he is a know-it-all.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:47 PM • permalink

  131. If you down in the drains today be ready for a big surprise.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 10:54 PM • permalink

  132. With the election done and dusted, ACTU president Sharan Burrow drops the mask and wheels out the anti-capitalist rhetoric and issues edicts, demands and threats. Who’s meeting in Canberra this week; who’s running the country?

    Ditch WorkChoices by Easter: ACTU.

    Union leaders are meeting in Canberra today to set the agenda for the year ahead.

    They are promising to keep pressure on the Coalition to support the Federal Government’s industrial relations changes.

    Ms Burrow says the first part of the legislation should be passed as soon as possible…

    Ms Burrow has also lashed out at the banks for lifting interest rates, saying workers are experiencing a decline in real wages relative to massive profit growth in the corporate sector.

    She says the private sector is increasingly rejecting collective bargaining and wages growth, and this year the unions will focus on ensuring a fair minimum wage, among other things.

    Ms Burrow says the corporate model from the United States is creeping into Australian society.

    “We are all set to suffer the global economic fallout from the US, a large nation where working families can’t earn enough to pay their bills,” she said.

    “We have seen the beginning but not the end here with the greed of the banks offsetting their profit risk and raising interest rates just a few weeks ago.”

    They inherited a country in great shape and, as sure as night follows day, they will——it up.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 29 at 10:59 PM • permalink

  133. 132 CL, we are surprised? No! Again we now know where the votes came from.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 11:05 PM • permalink

  134. This story kinda reminds me of the more recent Air America.

    A search of Michelle Malkin’s site will reveal the sorry history opf failure to attract an audience.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 29 at 11:10 PM • permalink

  135. #7 Dang, Cashew, beaten to it again.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 29 at 11:11 PM • permalink

  136. 20 years ago my family purchased a house for $34,000 at that time the family income was $34,000 per annum which was fairly average at the time.

    Now days the familiy income is around $150,000 per annum (the high end of average working couple) and yet you cant buy a house in the same area now for anything under $700,000. 

    Makes you wonder really

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 29 at 11:12 PM • permalink

  137. 134 Hot Air America. In Oz ABC staff joined Vega.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 11:15 PM • permalink

  138. Hey, just an onservation. It seems that everyone has sobbered up after the inital party binge on Sumerian meade - or did we just run out.

    Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2008 01 29 at 11:20 PM • permalink

  139. 136 our land value 20 years ago was $100,000 now $500,000. My late father paid $200 for the land in 1921. Makes you wonder really? Yes.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 11:26 PM • permalink

  140. 138 Yes.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 29 at 11:28 PM • permalink

  141. #132

    Can see why Burrow is getting impatient. It is two months since the election is still no parliamentary sittings. The ACTU has millions of dollars invested in this government - it can claim with some authority it owns it -  but all the Labor MPs are still playing around. Rudd back at the cricket, which means he has seen more cricket since becoming PM than the 50 years before. Nothing from Gillard except sitting at her desk being the acting PM, Garrett is in paralysed and Swan is simply fucking around.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 30 at 12:01 AM • permalink

  142. C.L., if the Australian Parliament is anything like the American Congress, virtually nothing of importance will happen, even if KRudd is in power.  I am beginning to believe that lefties in elected office couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse on the pay day after the fleet returned to port.

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 30 at 12:06 AM • permalink

  143. #138 We cleaned out the cellar a week ago but I think Tim left some beer in the cupboard however there was only Fosters left last time I looked

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 30 at 12:07 AM • permalink

  144. #99 ann j: At least one of the Kennedy clan didn’t get away with, even though it took many years to put him away.

    BRIDGEPORT, Conn.—A nephew of Robert F. Kennedy was charged Wednesday with bludgeoning a girl to death with a golf club in 1975 when he was 15, providing the long-awaited break in a case that frustrated police in wealthy Greenwich and raised suspicions of a Kennedy cover-up.
    Michael Skakel, 39, flew to Connecticut from his home in Florida and surrendered at Greenwich police headquarters after a warrant was issued for his arrest in the slaying of Martha Moxley. Because of Skakel’s age at the time of the crime, the case will be handled, at least initially, in juvenile court.

    Finally arrested

    And he’s still in gaol.
    20 years

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 30 at 12:13 AM • permalink

  145. #136 Killaette. Your example works out at 4.7 times the family income for the $700,000 house.
    According to recent surveys, the median in Australia is now 6.3 times family income, so your example is on the cheap side.
    There are probably many reasons for this but I believe a major factor is the way local government councils now fund infrastructure.
    Traditionally, councils borrowed to pay for infrastructure and the interest on those loans was paid for out of property rates.
    Nowadays, the property developer pays up front for all the new infrastructure such as parks, roads, power, phone and water to the block. In addition, the developer makes a lump-sum contribution to existing infrastructure when development approval is granted by the council.
    Costs to the developer can be in the region of $150,000 per house block on top of the cost of the land.
    The rates have not gone down, of course, but in my case are rising at about 8% pa, well above inflation.
    But they have to get the money from somewhere to pay for the 8-10 bureaucrats who deal with each development approval application.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 30 at 12:45 AM • permalink

  146. skeeter - land costs what the market will bear.  If the council fees were $5,000, would the developer sell it for $145,000 less?

    Although I do agree there fees seem out of whck with the service provided.

    123 - if you mean those Indians who say because we were once racially abused we could never do it ourselves, then yes, I do mean those Indians.  When you consider the caste system in India, i find this attitude contemptable.

    re unions - their claws will start to grip.

    re wayne - and his other clueless ministers- what a bunch of novices.  This first budget will be so long, with so many future programs promised to take place - his speech will go for 2 hours.

    Have you guys noticed how often they say they’ll be “trying” to do this, and “trying” to do that, and how it is their “top priority”?  It is very trying!

    ps Rudd swiped another Minister’s announcement by reinstating the Don - that makes it 4 or 5 now who have copped a Rudding for not reading the public sentiment like he can.  I’m sure they’ll tire of this very soon.

    Posted by peter m on 2008 01 30 at 01:04 AM • permalink

  147. #145 Hey Skeeter - looks like youve wondered about it a lot!

    My boss always tells me its all relative but it doesnt seem to be as relative anymore. maybe back when the average house price was $180,000 but certainly not now.

    But I guess its been this way in the other states for a bit longer than it has in QLD

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 30 at 01:07 AM • permalink

  148. #144 Sandi M,

    Dominick Dunne wrote a book more than loosely based on Martha Moxley’s murder. It was called A Season in Purgatory.

    He actually used a lot of the information given to him by Martha’s mother about the murder of her daughter. She had hoped that Dunne’s book may be a way of re-opening the case.

    Seemed to have worked.

    I have always admired Dominick Dunne and enjoyed his writing.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 01:08 AM • permalink

  149. peter m. If the council fees were $5000 it would be an entirely different market and the developer would be competing with other developers who could sell for $145,000 less.
    In my street, two developers are sitting on their blocks waiting for the market to catch up to their costs so they can make a profit.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 30 at 01:11 AM • permalink

  150. This just in, for those Australians who actually thought this was already their country. It’s official:

    A traditional (sic) Welcome to Country will be held as part of the Parliament’s opening ceremony by members of the Ngunnawal people.

    And the first item of business for Rudd will be an apology to the non-existent “stolen generation”.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 30 at 01:34 AM • permalink


  151. #144 Pogria: I read a book about the Martha Moxley murder several years ago but don’t recall the title or the name of the author. It was written well before Skakel’s arrest (2000) and conviction.

    The Kennedy influence seems to have played a large role in stalling the case for years but, this time, they finally lost out when cousin Michael was convicted and then lost his appeal to the High Court.

    I would like to see uncle Ted finally get his due, too, but it’s not likely.

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 30 at 01:44 AM • permalink

  152. #151 Sorry? We will be. A shame it isn’t possible to just bill the people who voted Labor for this.

    Ye gods. Three years of aboriginal ceremonies and lefties unctuously “thanking the original owners of the land we having this event on”. Please bring on the double-dissolution. (Which judging from Smith’n'Swan’s performances so far may not be too long in coming. Does anyone else think that this government so far feels more like Whitlam than like Hawke?)

    Posted by Burbank on 2008 01 30 at 01:51 AM • permalink

  153. #152 On Teddy, here’s a site I followed from a Michelle Malkin thread. It would be fair to say the man running the site, Howie Carr, dislikes the Senator.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 30 at 01:56 AM • permalink

  154. #147 Killaette. My knowledge of these things is based on bitter and expensive experience, not wondering.
    With regard to Queensland values, don’t even think about moving north (or west) for cheaper housing.

    In Sydney, the multiple is 8.6 and Melbourne is 7.3, but it’s even higher in some of Australia’s fastest-growing cities, including Mandurah, (9.5), Sunshine Coast (9.3) and the Gold Coast (8.6).”

    See Oz report on affordability of Australian homes.

    Posted by Skeeter on 2008 01 30 at 02:11 AM • permalink

  155. #152 Sandi M,

    A Season in Purgatory was released in 1993. A movie was also made of it.

    I don’t know how true any of this is, but rumours were flying furiously that Skakel was given up by the Kennedy’s to deflect attention from a more prominent member of the family who had also been the subject of a very long investigation.

    A sort of trade-off, if you will. Fall on your sword for the good of the family, there’s a good boy.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 02:19 AM • permalink

  156. #151 - Any idea how much it would cost to hire a skywriter to pen ‘NOT’ above Canberra on Feb 13? I’d be willing to chip in a few bucks to that.

    Posted by AlphaMikeFoxtrot on 2008 01 30 at 02:30 AM • permalink

  157. #154. C.L.
    I would say that Ol’ Howie definitely would not share a Chivas with the Tedmeister.
    I myself, really do not see the ‘magic’ of the Kennedys. Especially when you see the history attached to the family. Mind you, having two brothers murdered is a tragedy in itself. Politically though, they leave little to be desired. Mind you, that is only my reading of history, plus if I was a US voter, I would be a Republican anyway.

    Posted by BJM on 2008 01 30 at 02:37 AM • permalink

  158. Re #154, no, C.L., that fella sure is unfriendly to Ted Kennedy!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2008 01 30 at 02:40 AM • permalink

  159. A traditional (sic) Welcome to Country will be held as part of the Parliament’s opening ceremony by members of the Ngunnawal people.

    #150 (sic) is well placed. 90% of what passes for traditional Aboriginal ceremonies was invented in the past 25 years by urban Aborigines and their leftie fellow travellers.

    The Hindmarsh Island “secret women’s business” was proof of that. So was the incident when urban Aborigines in May 1997 turned their backs on Howard in a “traditional” display of their anger, according to the media. No tribal people, no matter how primitive, would ever turn their back on someone they were trying to insult. That’s just silly. And what do we make of welcoming and smoking ceremonies that appear to be identical across the whole nation, right down to the body painting and the dance steps. In PNG, a smaller nation with a strong tribal tradition, there are enormous variations in traditions. Ditto in the US.

    It’s a sham that gullible journalists fall for over and over again. Now Rudd has joined the Australia’s most gullible list.

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 30 at 02:43 AM • permalink

  160. This one is much easier to prove and calculate, but strange how the Beattie ALP Govt couldn’t or wouldn’t be bothered to work out whose money had been witheld for about 60 years and repay it with interest due.

    Don’t forget, this money was the wages of workers, not whingers.

    And our intellectual betters whinge about Vesteys.

    Posted by Pickles on 2008 01 30 at 03:16 AM • permalink

  161. #160
    And what do we make of welcoming and smoking ceremonies that appear to be identical across the whole nation…
    It’s always struck me as a bit of a franchise operation and a recent one too.
    Granted, the ability to create fire is a biggy when it comes to social evolution, however I’m happy to be damned as a cultural supremist to be more impressed with the fire making abilities of my tribe.

    Posted by lotocoti on 2008 01 30 at 03:53 AM • permalink

  162. #89 Mister wronwright, sir,

    Beggin’ your pardon, sir, but don’t be too hard on page Pogria.

    You see, sir, your sturdy steed Wildfire is lame, sir. I know he’s your finest cross country horse and that he has an Australian Stock Horse pedigree dating back to the fabled colt from old Regret, mustered down from the high country by The Man From Snowy River, sir. But if I may be permitted to speak, it’s not the bridle track work that is to blame, sir.

    To be honest, you do drive him rather hard as you reach highway speed on the Interstate, sir.

    As they say, “it’s not ‘oppin’ over little fences what knocks ‘orses’ legs about. It’s the ‘ammer ‘ammer ‘ammer on the ‘ard ‘ard road.”

    In any case, sir, it’s not your usual mount that you’ve been riding these last few weeks, sir. With Wildfire lame we’ve had to saddle up a muscular old mare with similar markings called Margo that we caught fresh from over in the left paddock, sir.

    We’ve noticed that she’s been winking, though, and throwing fluid of late, sir, and probably shouldn’t be ridden amongst the other stallions of the Conspiracy.

    Beggin’ your pardon again, sir.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 03:59 AM • permalink

  163. #163 splice,

    “We’ve noticed that she’s been winking, though, and throwing fluid of late, sir,”

    Margo winking!!!! OMG RAOTFLMFAO!!! bwahahahahahaha


    Dear God splice!!!!


    ps, know a bit about horses do you?

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 04:12 AM • permalink

  164. #164 splice,

    let me rephrase that, you’ve obviously been around horses!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 04:19 AM • permalink

  165. Will they need to get carbon credits in order to emit the vile poison CO2?  What if it’s a Total Fire Ban that day?

    And BTW -Oz market dropped another 100 pts today, following a down day yesterday, but a couple of good days on Waal St.  Might it just be that the morons are slowly waking up that they have recently elected the freak show to govern a land that wasn’t doing too badly. 
    Anyone know who’s selling “Sorry my arse!!” T-shirts

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 30 at 04:20 AM • permalink

  166. #154 CL:

    It would be fair to say the man running the site, Howie Carr, dislikes the Senator.

    No argument with that. Following the links, he doesn’t like John Kerry much either, with good reason in both cases.

    Posted by SandiM on 2008 01 30 at 04:22 AM • permalink

  167. #160 Contrail

    Now Rudd has joined the Australia’s most gullible list.

    He’s only joining all those who voted for the ALP.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 04:23 AM • permalink

  168. And don’t think this is a token gesture like a “Save the Whale”  sticker on the brand new biggest possible Toyota 4WD

    Sorry=fault=blame=compensation.  Big $$$s people

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 30 at 04:25 AM • permalink

  169. #162 Lotocoti

    Hell yeah! (I was thinking that’d be the clip you used!)

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 04:26 AM • permalink

  170. Ummmm excuse me… Just wondering if anyone knows when wrongwright is going to be back with the Tardis…. we’ve run out of mead and the beer Tim left us.  And no one wants to drink the fosters

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 30 at 04:26 AM • permalink

  171. #169 Rod C

    It’s not called $ORRY around here for nuthin’ you know!

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 04:27 AM • permalink

  172. Pogs, sounds like EI to me…

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 04:27 AM • permalink

  173. #164 Pogria,

    ps, know a bit about horses do you?

    Yes, ma’am. One ends kicks, the other end bites and they’re uncomfortable in the middle ;-)

    I managed an unruly mob of about seven or eight of ‘em, plus another half dozen that were agisted on the property, when I lived at Jindabyne some years ago. I was working for a small ski lodge/holiday resort and I took our guests out on horse trail rides in the summer months.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 04:38 AM • permalink

  174. O/T but for a moment I thought Traceee Hutchinson had fallen foul of the law...

    Fifteeen years jail for $120m heist gang

    Posted by anthony_r on 2008 01 30 at 04:44 AM • permalink

  175. #173 Kae,

    for Margo, it would have to be AI!

    #174 splice,

    thought so! Although I noticed you cleaned up the winking and throwing fluid for the sensitive souls here.

    We used to call it a wink and a squirt.hehehehe

    I have six of the hay burners. The DPI is coming out tomorrow to swab them and make sure they’re clear of the flu. All six caught it about three months ago. Thank god they all got over it quick. I only have one under the age of twenty. They’ve all been with me a long time. We’ve all been through a lot together.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 05:17 AM • permalink

  176. Actually, Kae, that $ORRY would make a great T-shirt or car sticker…...

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 30 at 05:18 AM • permalink

  177. Hey, Skeets, you around?

    Channel 7 at 7:30 The Boneyard, about military plane graveyards.

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 05:24 AM • permalink

  178. Rod C

    I reckon it’d have to be

    $ORRY?

    Posted by kae on 2008 01 30 at 05:25 AM • permalink

  179. Headline of the day from the Bolta:

    O’Donoghue now stolen again.

    Seems Lois admitted she wasn’t “stolen” after all back in 2001 but now she’s changed her mind.

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 30 at 05:32 AM • permalink

  180. #175 Anthony R,

    absolutely hysterical!!!

    Sadly, unsurprising for the SMH.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 05:38 AM • permalink

  181. Anyone else notice that the ABC now refers, using upper case, to the Stolen Generation - as if the latter was an historically settled demographic like, say, the Rats of Tobruk?

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 30 at 05:43 AM • permalink

  182. #182 you mean the Abc1

    Posted by Killaette on 2008 01 30 at 05:49 AM • permalink

  183. Peter Phillips Attacks Peter & Phillip
    The director of the famous Tallis Scholars “religious” choral group has attacked Peter & Phillip Jensen of the Sysney Anglican Diocese for being too dismissive and down on quality music in the church.
    He likens them to Ayatollah Khomenei (deceased) for their determination to lessen the reliance on high-flown music, although they are not against music per se, just want to rationalise I guess. He also casts doubt on their propriety, for Peter appointing Phillip as Dean of Sydney.
    What is going on here? I get the feeling that some conductor mate of Peter Phillips is out of a job and noses are out of joint. The Jensens are correct, conservative christians, not hillsong hit parade, nor high church polyphony. Doesn’t make you popular these days.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 30 at 05:53 AM • permalink

  184. #176 Pogs, I’ve just been winched to ‘safety’ aboard a black helicopter. I managed to grab a rasp, a few shoeing nails and a clenching tool. They tell me we’re on our way to your place and we’ll there in about fifteen minutes.

    Can you grab a brush, a halter and a hoof pick, please? Oh, and a few scoops of lucerne chaff in a bucket too, ta.

    It seems we’ve been summonsed again.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 05:54 AM • permalink

  185. Er, that was supposed to be summoned, but summonsed sounds right under the circumstances.

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 06:05 AM • permalink

  186. Hyperbole Flours Again
    Those Israeli Monsters! Reducing Gaza from 680,000 tons of flour per day to just 90 tons.
    Wait a minute ...

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 30 at 06:25 AM • permalink

  187. #185 splice,

    what about the hammer????

    How the ***k are you going to get the nails into the hoof?? With your teeth??

    My horses aren’t used to #@$%&*#@ helicopters!!!! If you land in my paddock, I’ll set the dogs on ya!!

    If you come in quietly, I promise not to drench you.

    But I’m keeping the whip and hobbles close by. ;)

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 06:25 AM • permalink

  188. Uh oh… splice suddenly realizes that Senior Minionette Pogria probably summoned the black helicopter in the first place.

    Dammit! I swear, if I ever manage to get out of that slimy, mead-sodden dungeon again I’m gonna call me a lawyer and make the whole dirty, rotten, kidnapping VRWC say $orry!

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 06:28 AM • permalink

  189. Would you barrack for Barack, Baradei or Barak?

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 30 at 06:29 AM • permalink

  190. #187 hey blogstrop,

    that article you linked to had myself and my son in stitches! Although he’s a born RWDB, I still do not waste an opportunity to show him examples of brain-dead lefty stupidity.

    He’s only seventeen, but I have great faith for the future of Oz.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 06:33 AM • permalink

  191. Whatever they’re giving you in hospital, Tim, make sure they include Progenitorivox.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 01 30 at 06:34 AM • permalink

  192. And remember, however down you may feel, you’ll never be as far down as Wayne Carey.

    Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2008 01 30 at 06:51 AM • permalink

  193. Hey Splice, if you still live down that way, will you be coming to the Canberra meeting of the Blair Brethren?

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 06:55 AM • permalink

  194. Bye Bye Rudy. We’ll miss you in days ahead.
    “But it was on his signature issue, the War on Terror—or as Giuliani likes to say, the “terrorists’ war on us”—that Giuliani truly distinguished himself from the field. While John McCain bowed to the media’s consensus and promised to close Guantanamo Bay prison, Giuliani staunchly defended it against baseless charges of widespread detainee abuse.

    On Iraq, Giuliani unapologetically defended the invasion, correctly stressing the absurdity of fighting a war on terrorism while leaving in power one of its leading patrons in Saddam Hussein. With regard to Iran, Giuliani made the valuable point, actively denied by the Democratic contenders and sometimes even by his Republican counterparts: that the danger from Iran was not confined to its nuclear ambitions but included its sponsorship of jihadist terror across the Middle East.

    When it came to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the current and lamentable obsession of President Bush, the man who famously evicted Yasser Arafat from a concert in Lincoln Center perceptively observed that, if anything, “too much emphasis has been placed on brokering negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians.” Peace can be brokered when the Palestinians abandon terrorism, Giuliani said, not before.

    For all the flaws of his campaign, Giuliani was a powerful voice for keeping America on offense against Islamic terrorism; the Republican debate will be the poorer without him.”


    Jacob Laksin

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 30 at 07:05 AM • permalink

  195. #191 - Thanks Pogria - best wishes to you and your son.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2008 01 30 at 07:07 AM • permalink

  196. #194 Pogs, I’d love to be there and if there’s any kind of citizen test, well, I know how to pronounce Monaro.

    But these days I’m living up on the Central Coast between Sydney and Newcastle. My next mission as the hapless “agent 13” of the VRWC will probably be reporting, via shoephone, squished inside a berley bucket with a few fish heads and some mullet bones trailed behind the transom of a fishing boat.

    Call me psychotic (or a perhaps a gifted seer and sage?) but something tells me that one day I’ll be swimming at Avoca Beach and next thing ya know… POW! … suddenly wedgie-jagged and dangling on the end of a boat hook by a passing sports-fishing cruiser… with MareeS at the helm!

    Posted by splice on 2008 01 30 at 07:39 AM • permalink

  197. #196 blogstrop,

    thank you.

    #197 splice,

    hehehehehe I’d pay to see that!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 07:46 AM • permalink

  198. New Thread !!!

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 08:17 AM • permalink

  199. (wronwright stands behind chair)

    Pogria.  It’s an honor to serve as page for a henchman of the VRWC.  Or a henchwoman, although in the case of Andrea, it could be outright dangerous.  I don’t know who the Officer of the Day is, but whoever it was assigned you as my page. 

    (wronwright wonders if there could be a conspiracy afoot, possibly vast and undoubtedly rightwing, to assign a possibly psychotic RWDB as his horse holder)

    Now please be a good minion and brush down Paintbrush.  I’ll also need you to saddle him and serve as my stepping stool when I get on.  Chop chop.

    Posted by wronwright on 2008 01 30 at 10:39 AM • permalink

  200. Silky Pony rides off into the sunset.

    (Wearing a special hair gel to ward off those dry and bleaching rays).

    Posted by C.L. on 2008 01 30 at 10:46 AM • permalink

  201. #201

    Read a report somewhere yesterday that it might be the AG in an Obama administration.  Bit of a worry for our US stalwarts,

    BTW-I have heard it referred to as the “Breck Girl” What is that?

    Posted by Rod C on 2008 01 30 at 04:15 PM • permalink

  202. Rudd must have coached his PM’s XI cricket team in spin yesterday. After the Sri Lankans thrashed them by 18 overs,  Captain Cameron White said “We weren’t that far (from a win) in the end (but) 150 in a one-dayer is not enough.”

    Posted by Contrail on 2008 01 30 at 05:32 PM • permalink

  203. #202 Hi Rod C,

    The Breck Girl was an advertising slogan for a shampoo that was famous until the late 70’s.

    Here’s a little background and history.

    It also has a list you can link to so you can view some of the famous Breck girls.

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 05:36 PM • permalink

  204. #200 wronwright,

    I serve NO henchman, fool!

    Beware smiling pages bearing shiny apples! mwahahahaha

    Posted by Pogria on 2008 01 30 at 05:58 PM • permalink

  205. 184 I like to Shine All Through The Night whilst I adhere to the Faith of My Father and believe How Great Thou Art.

    Posted by stackja1945 on 2008 01 30 at 06:46 PM • permalink

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