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ART CONTEST ANNOUNCED
Oh no! Just when we Westerners were thinking we’d won this round of the global cartoon wars, Iran tricks us with an ingenious surprise move:
Iran’s largest selling newspaper has announced it is holding a contest on cartoons of the Holocaust in response to the publishing in European papers of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.
Why, we’ll be incinerating embassies and shooting each other like idiots by the end of the week. All Jew-controlled Westerners are powerless in the face of Holocaust cartoons!
“It will be an international cartoon contest about the Holocaust,” Farid Mortazavi, the graphics editor for Hamshahri newspaper, which is published by Tehran’s conservative-run municipality, said on Monday.
He said the plan was to turn the tables on the assertion that newspapers can print offensive material in the name of freedom of expression.
“The Western papers printed these sacrilegious cartoons on the pretext of freedom of expression, so let’s see if they mean what they say and also print these Holocaust cartoons,” he asserted.
Just try to stop me, Farid Mortazavi of Hamkablam newspaper! I’ll run as many of your Holocaust cartoons here as I can fit; they’ll likely be funnier than anything ever published in Jyllands-Posten. (By the way, exactly how many Western papers printed those sacrilegious Mo-toons? Wasn’t it only a dozen or so? Do you kind of get the feeling Iran is desperate to keep this issue boiling?)
(Via Kev Gillett)
“The still-unfolding story of the Danish cartoons that satirized Islam has come to this: In Iran, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, in a speech to members of the military, said that the publication of the controversial drawings and the angry reaction from Muslims around the world that it has triggered are all parts of “a conspiracy planned by the Zionists to provoke a confrontation between Muslims and Christians.”.......Khameini said that “the Zionists,” meaning, apparently, Israel’s government, had instigated the cartoons affair in response to “the defeat” the militant Hamas organization’s victory in the January 25 Palestinian elections had “inflicted” on the government of Israeli Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.”
agence F. press. Khameini pointed out that “the holy anger [of Muslims in response to the cartoons] is not directed against Christians.”
He also denounced the Western “conception of freedom.”
According to that notion, he noted, “every doubt or refutation regarding the myth” of the killing of Jews during the World War II era “is prohibited, but gratuitously insulting more than a billion-and-a-half Muslims is authorized.
Shrugs. this is so boring, havn’t these men got something better to focus on in life?Things that have made me mad this week:
- The gathering in Copenhagen this week where Danes held up “sorry” signs and waved the Palestinian flag!
- Monday night’s 7:30 report, where the issue of free speech was raised; no not what is being described as the “global crisis” triggered by the Mohammed cartoons, but the right of some degenerate cretin to burn the Australian flag!
- Yesterday’s Midday Report on the ABC, where the people who published the catoons were also referred to as “extremists!”- The unmentionable MURDER of an ITALIAN Catholic Priest in Turkey in revenge for the insult to Islam by the Danes!
- Tonight’s SBS Dateline program for going ahead with the “raging controversy today”...the debate over intellegent design, and for their cowardly and audaciously hypocritical censorship of me on their website for pointing out the apparent (to everyone but them) silliness of ridiculing Christians this week!
ps…Tim, I hope you follow up on this Iranian ‘art’ contest, I’m keen to see what these apes come up with.
Okay, as I’ve had a couple of votes in favor of keeping “proud2be,” I won’t ban her now. But as I’ve had NO votes in favor of “arab pride” he is banned.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 02 07 at 07:28 PM • permalink“ingenious surprise move”:
A Philadelphia cartoonist recommended on Monday that Muslims respond in kind.
so, draw, already!After reading these two pages of debate why am I thinking of the film “Not Without My Daughter”?? Maybe it was the words of Proud2be who stated women are not opressed??
But back onto the topic at hand here is a link I found showing various arab cartoons, now tell me why was the pictures of their prophet so insulting in comparison?
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
Also a note to proud2be: You state you are 10 generation aussie??? Well I am first, from the Inner West and a High School student, and im sorry to say but your atrocious grammar is not an example of your age and the clicks of younger society, so do not insult us all.
For Ratio:
Responding to your irrelevant post about ME, because obviously ive caught your eye one way or another, oh how I am blushing! Now with the question marks, yes I know it is one, thank you for pointing it out, I just add extra marks for an effect, im very artistic you know, although it is not something I occassionally do. In reference to “the first?” it was that im first generation Australian (better not use abbreviations with you) sorry I did not make myself clearer, I just assumed stating Proud2Be quote that people would understand what I meant, note to self, dont assume anything. And finally with the “I am” or “I’m” I am very very sorry for my grammatical error, but it was what people call a “typo” and I did not check over my work as carfully as I should have, so could you ever find it in your heart to forgive me?
And I am not here to mark you, I just found it insulting how Proud2Be CONSTANTLY wrote in “short hand” meaning u=you etc (oops made the mistake myself) when people asked her not too, and that she used her age as a defence that is all, but since you took it upon yourself to pick my small post to pieces maybe you should be the one grading me? And please be kind I tried my best.
the BBC World Service coverage of this issue is almost unlistenable - especially their constant resort to the ultra-cringeworthy term “islamphobia” (is this a dhimmi-marker)
The ABC here is not quite so bad -
Sandy McCutcheon fearlessly took on this issue on Radio National’s Australia Talks Back (Yackity Yack) last night - it was both heartbreaking and amusing to hear soft-hearted Australian and other western women calling in saying, “why oh why would anyone deliberately print such cartoons if they knew it would offend muslims?... If it offends them, we shouldn’t do it…” The same women almost certainly dress in a way that offends muslims. Will they be happy to cover themselves up if the time comes when islam is strong enough to demand it?
OTOH - Steven Crittenden of the Religion Report was razor sharp this morning as usual. He actually said, “The most interesting aspect of this story is that it represents the beginning of the end of appeasement of Islam by Europeans, who are beginning to say what they really think about Islam, and signalling that they may be decadent, but they’re not going to be a pushover.” He then interview Ibn Warraq, author of Why I am Not a Muslim. Audio links are up at the show’s page now, and they promise a transcript later today.
I was tempted to vote ‘keep’ for Proud2Be simply on the grounds of keeping ‘her’ cool and not cracking (ie getting insulting) under fairly intense cross-examination.
But I agree that even a superficial examination of P2B’s posts reveal a high fake quotient (10th gen? Yeah, right) and I doubt very much she’s even a high school student (too lucid, too measured) which suggests indeed she is a bandwidth consuming troll.
Paco - the Borg say ‘your uniqueness will be added to our own’. Islam says ‘your uniqueness will be erased’.
—Nick
Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2006 02 07 at 08:57 PM • permalinkBut I agree that even a superficial examination of P2B’s posts reveal a high fake quotient (10th gen? Yeah, right)
Though, would such an elaborate faker really make an off-hand comment that so obviously doesn’t pass the laugh test? Never attribute to malice what, etc.
(too lucid, too measured)
I dunno…the lucidity dovetails with the claim that her mother is a convert, I’d say. In my experience, converts often tend to insist on learning their religion from the ground up (rather than just taking community standards as read, or whatever), and p2b sure seemed to have memorized to the letter all the usual claptrap about Islam. Again, not necessarily an argument that it wasn’t a fake, but if so, it was a very coherent image IMO.
Geez, usually I’m the conspirazoid who sees returning trolls behind every new screenname. :)
#60 >narnian1, my mum converted to islam 18 yrs >ago.. y did u convert if u neva believed >it??
proud2be@muslimah, I did believe it at first plus my husband painted a great picture of it. To be a muslim only takes a statement of belief then I went to lesssons to learn prayer and washing rituals. BUT, when I started reading about what Prophet Muhammad really DID, I was disgusted! Any human being would be too. The problem is that most muslilms do not read what he did until it is too late, ie when they are already so brainwashed they cannot see the wood for the trees. I won’t take up too much space in this comments column, but in brief, Muhammad was a paedophile, a savage murderer, a rapist and a thief. He massacred an entire Jewish tribe - 700 men by systematically beheading them. He preached hatred and racism and violence. He was no better than Hitler, Charles Manson or Stalin. In fact, he was worse - he stole most of the ‘nice’ quotes from the Bible. There is a lot of research on this at the moment.
Muhammad’s last words before he died were; “I curse the Jews and Christians.”
>and if u have been a muslim u should kno >that islam doesnt equal terrorism..
ROFLOL! Muhammad was a terrorist himself! He preached terror AND committed terror.
Here is a wonderful website run by ex muslims with a great forum that tells the truth;
Muslims who are starting to have inklings that they have been duped all along about Islam being a religion of peace, but are too afraid to apostatise, will get a lot of support and friendship there.
To dandrew:
I do know that Ratio was suggesting that I look at my own grammar before judging Proud2Be, but if it was simple errors I would not have cared. It wasnt the fact that she continuously wrote in short hand and to me half the time it resembled “nt4udntgtmwng” but when others suggested her writting skills were not up to scratch, she used her age, location and background as a defence, which I found personally insulting.
But I apologise if I said anything to hurt Ratio, my comment on Proud2Be’s atrocious writing does seem alot harsher than the other posts that have been placed on this site, comparing mine to the personal attacks on her IQ and background I can see where I went wrong.
No need to continue this, for it is irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.
RE: The ‘Art Contest’
I could be wrong, BUT I believe the madmen of Persia, are going to make sure that the ‘art’ is completely and utterly disgusting.Face it, they are convinced the sit on top of the world with Russian and Chinese backing.
The next year or so, will determine the ‘what’s left population’ of the planet.
Brian. If we are discussing freedom of speech in the context of religious beliefs, then I think it is a perfect time to examine how all beliefs are taight in our schools.
Suely it is quite in context. A liberal society can calmly debate such issues. An intolerant society allows no such debate and resorts to violence.
“...probably bow down and kiss their feet”
Haha, had to laugh at that one. Most people I know would rather die than kiss some Muslims dirty feet.
Proud2bMuslim: we have obviously read different biographies. The one I read (by a Muslim) stated that Mohammed was guilty of murder and rape. Having read for myself the history of Mohammed, and comments of Mohammed regarding slaughtering infidels etc etc and how Islam should aim to take over the world - I wonder, are we referring to the same person?
But I hope you all continue to make irrational statements and tell obvious (and checkable) lies. It will result in even more people having their eyes opened to the true Islam and its aims. So rant and rave, riot and burn. The more idiot things you do, the sooner people will wake up to the threat you pose to our way of life.
RE: For Nerd, For Ratio:
Responding to your irrelevant post about ME, because obviously ive caught your eye one way or another, oh how I am blushing! Now with the question marks, yes I know it is one, thank you for pointing it out, I just add extra marks for an effect, im very artistic you know, although it is not something I occassionally do. In reference to “the first?” it was that im first generation Australian (better not use abbreviations with you) sorry I did not make myself clearer, I just assumed stating Proud2Be quote that people would understand what I meant, note to self, dont assume anything. And finally with the “I am” or “I’m” I am very very sorry for my grammatical error, but it was what people call a “typo” and I did not check over my work as carfully as I should have, so could you ever find it in your heart to forgive me?
And I am not here to mark you, I just found it insulting how Proud2Be CONSTANTLY wrote in “short hand” meaning u=you etc (oops made the mistake myself) when people asked her not too, and that she used her age as a defence that is all, but since you took it upon yourself to pick my small post to pieces maybe you should be the one grading me? And please be kind I tried my best.
Nerd An A+ for an outstanding speech.
I appreciate the time you took to respond to my comments, in no way was I trying to put you down, it was in good fun. I hope you don’t mind.
We need young Australians like Yourself feeling proud about what we stand for.
Well Done,
Ratio.
PW yes I see now she did use the muslimah handle from the word go. My assessment was a bit quick as I just trawled through her comments pretty quickly when I woke up before i headed off for work. My main suspicion was the change from incorrect spelling to correct when picked up - some of the incorrect spellings weren’t just SMS shorthand.
Still she could be genuine but I thought some of her posts just didn’t strike me as a high school girl, even one who was as dedicated and well-trained in her religion as she appears to be.
We may never know for sure.
a few points…
1) muslimah didn’t seem to be too offensive in the way she put things, although a couple of her last posts about the Palestinians and Osama were verging on the looney side of things… but i think she handled most of the queries and responded rather well, putting across how she saw it in a measured way… u can handle it if someone puts across their view, and is even a bit sassy while doing it, its when they become arrogant and then begin to rant like that other nutjob did (pride whatever)... he added nothing to the post and deserves to get a kick in the date….
2) there were comments from some respondees that they were sick of responding to the same lies from trolls… but i guess for people who haven’t looked into the history of Mohammed and Islam as deeply as some others, about what the quuran says etc, and there are always new members joining Tim’s blog, these debates (as long as they stay reasonable) do help some build a fuller knowledge of the subject, together with links to go visit, etc… So it wasn’t a total waste of time and space if it has educated some more people to points of view on both sides… The people defending the muslim view of the world probably won’t ever admit their wrong, but other people can read and learn from the debates…
3) and as for the iranian holocaust denying cartoon contest… i think they can print as many of them as they like (after all they already do on a daily basis), but they won’t see it as a tit for tat exercise and we can all be firends again… the next time they feel someone has gratuitously offended THEIR prophet they will go straight back on the war path…
the reason - they think they have a right to insult and offend everyone, but anyone, anywhere breaking their precious religious laws (which they think apply to the whole world) is asking for a nasty execution… that’s how they will see it, this cartoon contest of their’s won’t settle anything….
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You cannot reason with them or their spiritual leaders, it shows their true colours and we now know where we stand and ” tolerance” propaganda dosn’t seem to be working from their part. We give options and yet and still dosn’t work.
I liked Queen Marguarita’s speech from Denmark. It really shows what we need to do.