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ANTI-SEMITE OF THE YEAR
Fairfax columnist Alex Mitchell in yesterday’s Sun-Herald (no link available):
Sixty years ago, if David Hicks was a POW in a Japanese or German concentration camp, we’d consider him a war hero.
Given Hicks’ hatred of Jews, it’s easier to imagine him running a German concentration camp than being imprisoned in one. It gets worse:
For his refusal to grovel to his jailers at Guantanamo and his unbreakable spirit, Hicks should receive nominations from all over the country to become this year’s Australian of the Year.
“Unbreakable spirit”, eh? The worthless punk has already quit his religion and renounced his former opposition to the West; a pillowcase is more fold-resistant.
Which is largely beside the point. What we have here is a senior journalist at a mainstream newspaper announcing that his choice as the finest Australian of the year is a maniac who joined an armed mission to end “Western-Jewish domination”. And still Mitchell isn’t finished:
Let’s hope that servicemen and women and people of goodwill send in entries to bring him home in glory from the illegal gulag of the fanatical idiocy of the Bush Administration.
Here’s another line from the chap whom Mitchell would bring home in glory:
If I do meet fate this is called martyrdom . . . the highest position in heaven is to go fighting in the way of God against the friends of Satan.
What was that about “fanatical idiocy”, Alex?
(Send a note to Mr Mitchell: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address))
UPDATE. From Mitchell’s previous column:
Take a bow, writer and journalist Antony Loewenstein. He’s written My Israel Question, to be published next month by Melbourne University Press headed by Louise Adler. It is the book every serious-minded Australian has been waiting to read and details the mechanics of Israel’s relentless propaganda war to demonise the internationally backed claims of the Palestinian people.
You can see why Fairfax keeps this guy off the net.
Alex Mitchell is a first class plonker, no question.
As well as writing complimentary articles about the NSW Labor Government for the Sun Herald, another of his interests is the history of the NSW press gallery.
In fact, he is so interested in this subject that he was granted $27,500 by the NSW Labor Government to research it, although as far as I know we are still waiting for the results of this particular ball-tearing read.
Hilariously, he received this grant in 2002 from the NSW Premier’s Department to mark the “sequicentenary of responsible government in NSW” - I kid you not.
This is one of those issues that Media Watch never quite gets around to covering.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 07 10 at 01:46 AM • permalinkIs Mitchell seriously suggesting that David Hicks is a war hero along the lines of Weary Dunlop?
This has to be a pisstake, right?
Hicks as Australian of the Year?
Bizarro World. it’s got to be . . . . .
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2006 07 10 at 01:57 AM • permalinkWher will I find the power to resist temptation, to overcome the urge to seek out and punish those who diminish humanity with their twisted morality, who defile the memory of heroes living and dead, who inveigle and cajole with poisoned pens minds young and vulnerable?
Oh…I remember:
“To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.” Deut. 32:35
Posted by MentalFloss on 2006 07 10 at 02:11 AM • permalinkAnd Alex is not alone at Fairfax.Read Paul Sheehan’s effort in the SMH today. Someone else will no doubt provide the link, but
I’ll paraphrase.
Claims there’s no more “moral capital” left in the Holocaust, says Israel is the cause of just about every problem we have in the world with our Muslim brothers then says he “once supported Israel” but Israel is a racist state and now a great threat to Australians.Copybook anti-semitism, really. Roughly, the Jews are to blame for everything bad, they deserve everything they get, but I’m not an anti-semite because some of my best friends are Jewish. Obviously the Zionist-Jewish-neo-conservative-controllers of the world’s media aren’t as quite as omnipotent as Fairfax would have you believe or how would this muck get published?
How long before Fairfax starts questioning whether we should “allow” the continued existence of Israel or whether we should just let the Muslim nations fulfil their threat to commit another Holocaust?Arguments over “due process” and the legality of the commissions are one thing. Hero-worshipping this guy is something else entirely. To compare him with the Aussie POWs of the Japanese or the victims of the Nazis is obscene. This is political pornography.
More than anything else, this has convinced me that this creep should never see the shores of his country of birth again. Stuff the notion of a “fair trial”. What is known and admitted is enough. Hicks can and should rot in Guantamano, or perhaps somewhere less salubrious, for as long as he chooses to go on breathing.
That this should happen has now become important. Mitchell has made it so. Mitchell has done us a favour. He is a warning that this war, on some level, may soon become internal. He and others like him need to be put on warning that an Australia where someone like Hicks is regarded as a hero is something that would be worth an awful lot to stop coming to pass.
Sixty years ago, if Alex Mitchell had praised an Australian who fought for the Japanese, he would’ve been shot.
What piece of internal workings is missing from people like Alex Mitchell? They really believe they understand the world and see it like it is, but all they do is parade an endless loop of self-inflated importance dressed up as analysis.
I think this guy better be prepared for fist-fights in the next little while.
...if David Hicks was a POW in a Japanese or German concentration camp…
He would be collaborating with his jailers to betray his countrymen.
Posted by perfectsense on 2006 07 10 at 02:48 AM • permalink#14 Tex, sad to say I tend to agree with you on the subject of Paul Sheehan… His columns are becoming more and more bizarre. Maybe he should have waited until they tested the magic water properly.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 07 10 at 02:57 AM • permalinkI note that The garbAge put its price up by 20c last week. That and publishing a star idiot like Alex Mitchell are yet more blows in the quest for a more selective demographic.
Fairfax will have the circulation of a CPA newsletter by the time its management have finished with it.
Posted by Mr Hackenbacker on 2006 07 10 at 03:05 AM • permalinkThe thing that disgusts me about Sheehan’s article is this notion that the Holocaust is or was ever a “moral legacy” that could be leveraged.
Blaming Israel for Zarquawi is pretty demented. It is a sympton of just how far this kind of thinking has penetrated the professional commentariat and academia and is clearly a crisis in itself. Recent ABC Board appointments indicate that the Government is aware of this grave problem and is prepared to start doing something about it.
But the idea that the Holcaust yielded up some pool of moral or political capital that could be spent and is now expended? It is pointless to try to explain to people who think like that how absurd the notion is. And how truly and deeply offensive.
I would really like to see a significant backlash towards people like this creep, and entities like the NYTimes. I would like to see that people still want to fight. I’m afraid that there are many who have listened to this kind of crap the long, 5 years of the war and have become weary of the constant nibbling away at the soul of the country.
I wonder how a really agressive, pro-war presidential candidate would do next election; someone who would advocate stepping up the war, especially with Iran.
HA! Can’t you just hear it all?
I read Sheehan’s article with disbelief. This is the man who hit so many targets in Among The Barbarians and The Electronic Whorehouse?
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 07 10 at 03:21 AM • permalinkO/T: Buy this month’s Quadrant Magazine. Read the article by Ted Lapkin. Loewenstein cops it.
On-topic: Fairfax is disgraceful. I have just emailed this to them:
When Palestinians, fired missiles daily at Israeli kindergartens, proudly kidnapped and murdered Israeli teenagers and called for “Death to the Jews” it is remarkable, the number of your correspondents who had nothing to say about this. However, when Israel finally decided “enough is enough” and responded, writers couldn’t contain their outrage. How dare the Israelis choose to ignore Hamas and not die like good little Jews.
I didn’t enjoy writing it…
Yes, but isn’t the education system leftist now in Australia?
Aren’t teachers favouring this form of propaganda when it comes to marking essays anyways? Isn’t this the new curriculum in primary schools?
Young Johnny you get an A for Artistic interpretation on the arson essay. Excellent.
Young Bill you get a B for believing the bullshit I taught you in class. Well done.Young Donna you get a C for hating your Country/Australia. Well done.
Young Wayne, you get a D for dumb enough to like your Country here in Australia.
Young David, you get an F for liking the Democratic system here in Australia.
Poor work.
Now everyone, keep your legs hairy.
“Here is your A.J.A card, your typewriter and your crack pipe… welcome to Fairfax!”
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2006 07 10 at 03:35 AM • permalinkNo, I can’t see why Fairfax keeps this guy off the net. He seems the epitome of everything Fairfax stands for.
Posted by Susan Norton on 2006 07 10 at 03:36 AM • permalinkSixty years ago, if David Hicks was a POW in a Japanese or German concentration camp, we’d consider him a war hero.
WTF? Sixty years ago, Hicks would have been fighting for the Japanese or Germans. And given his incompetence, he would have ended up in an American prison, just as he did in the real world.
Mitchell has defected in a public forum.
Sheehan may just be temporarily deranged. Israel does not have to leverage the holocaust. What Islamic nation, created at any time recent or not, has been asked to justify its existence?
Indonesia would be hard pressed to justify its expansion into areas which have no ethnic or cultural linkage.
Most Islamic countries are not asked to cease and desist from making christians leave, convert or die. What price political correctness in those countries?
Try arguing that the Jews belong somewhere else, or that they should not respond to continuing attacks since 1948.
Their invasion of Lebanon may have lost them some points at the time (understandable as it was), but giving Hamas a serve now certainly should not.
Only Madmood Ahmascreaminmad has suggested that their promised land should have been in Germany (to a sympathetic local Iranian audience).Sheehan, Mitchell and all their ilk STILL don’t get that Islamic “humiliation” stems from not currently ruling the world.
And by death and bombing and propaganda they’re trying to change that.
The only danger Australia faces - apart from these so-called leftists - is that its bullshit detector will be shut down.
If Hicks had been around sixty years ago, he’d have been this charming guy.
Posted by David Morgan on 2006 07 10 at 04:11 AM • permalinkWhat is it with this anti-Semitism rant anyway? Last time I checked, Jews made up a sum total of 0.23% of the world’s population (source: CIA World Factbook). That’s right, folks. The Jews, who account for less than a quarter of one percent of the population of this little ol’ globe are the greatest threat to the other 99.77% that exists today.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2006 07 10 at 04:37 AM • permalinkO/T - ‘Sheikh Shady Sue-me-man’ tells ‘Jabil’ that it’s ok to ‘shave around the private area where the hair is’.
sorry ladies but do not read below this
Posted by Islam/cancer-Chuck Norris/answer on 2006 07 10 at 05:10 AM • permalinkI’m pleased that you’re all sticking up for your new friends.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 07 10 at 05:43 AM • permalinkIve sent the scrote a short email asking if he has an on line link to his article as I couldnt defend him from the horrible unwashed masses of righties without it.
I feel dirty for being polite to him, Ill post the link if smegma boy sends it.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 10 at 05:50 AM • permalinkSpeaking of antisemitic crap, 7.30 report even as we speak on the current situation in Gaza.
It started out okay looking at things from the Israeli point of view, but after showing children who’ve been making decorations out of the remains of their windows, speaking with the father of children in the area of Israel who has had kassam rockets land outside his house twice in 10 days, they change to the Palestinian perspective.
*Sigh*
We are told how Israel has been bombing fields to deter Hamas and to try and turn the general populace against them for the last 9 months. before Cpl Shalit was kidnapped.
It’s all presented very reasonably to make the Israelis look unreasonable and the Palestinians quite logical.
Of course, those 9 months of bombing empty paddocks don’t appear to have killed anyone, because that isn’t mentioned.
We get to see a (masked) terrorist bleating about the occupiers and how the roads are impassable so the poor dears just have to use rockets and keep on bombing.
Grrrr.
Even interviews with Palestinians who’ve lost family members are more than happy for Hamas to ramp up the fight.
Thanks for that, My ABC. Good to see unbiased journalism is still highly regarded.
Not.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 07 10 at 06:05 AM • permalinkO/T - We had a lucky escape here in Melbourne:
A leadership roadshow starring international musician and political lobbyist Bob Geldof has cancelled its Melbourne leg because of lack of interest.
On the other hand perhaps it’s because people had heard Bob’s bath night wasn’t due for a week.
Posted by walterplinge on 2006 07 10 at 06:20 AM • permalinki don’t think that the Arabs are as bad as the Nazis were, they simply want to force the jews into the ocean and destroy the nation of Israel. As to Hick’s future why don’t we send him to China? I hear on the ABC that they use political prisoners for organ donation. Instead of taking Jewish lives his organs could save a few.
I’m pleased that you’re all sticking up for your new friends.
And by this you mean, what, exactly?
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 07 10 at 06:57 AM • permalinkI don’t know about you, but I’m getting sick of gustov and his drive-by rotten eggings. I can see him now, sitting at his keyboard chortling “oh, I’ve got them all wondering what I meant, ha ha! They’ll never know I didn’t mean anything, it’s just some nonsense that came to me in the middle of wanking!” One-handed typing indeed.
You’ve got one day to answer, gusty, and then you’re gone, having contributed nothing substantial to any discussion here.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 10 at 07:06 AM • permalinkHicks is so dreamy! I love his anti-semetic good looks and his bad-boy refusal to tow daddy- I mean the Government’s, line.
Oh David! You’ve reminded us all what the fair-dinkum essence of the ANZAC spirit is truely about: Jew-hating and a vague adherence to Islamic supremacist ideology in a pathetic attempt to imbue meaning to your failed life.
Hoorah for Australia’s blue-eyed favorite son and kudos to the Fairfax press for saying what the average Australian is really thinking.
In answer to #37, I’d say that Hicks is a dickhead. No doubt about it. However, if we (western democracies) pride ourselves as being beacons of freedom, then we should afford all, even the dickheads, due process.
Now in response to #45 -
Right wing conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists are the archetypal anti-Semites. Therefore it’s utterly hilarious to see right-wingers suddenly ‘befriending’ Jewry, as a means to bashing their other traditional partner in crime, Islamic fundamentalists. I’d liken the relationship to that of neo-Nazi groups showing concern for the plight of Palestinians.
Drop the crap - You people have as much in common with the wonderful world of progressive Jewish culture, as Islamic fundamentalists have with freedom of expression.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 07 10 at 07:40 AM • permalinkSpeaking of Nazis, where’s Darrinh gone?
Amazing how a man as offensive as this, one that believes in the Jewish conspiracy, a true anti-Semite, comments here without censure, yet I’m constantly targeted by commentators and admin for my left oriented views.
Posted by gustov_deleft on 2006 07 10 at 07:44 AM • permalinkRight wing conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists are the archetypal anti-Semites.
Really? Then why are the bastions of anti-semitism in europe and the us mostly found in university faculty lounges (and newspaper editorial boards)? is it because of all the right-wing conservatives on the tenured staff?
Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 07 10 at 07:50 AM • permalinkThat’s right Gusty, the years of support and friendship were all just a cunning ploy. You are truly beyond help, go have your existential crisis somewhere else.
Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 10 at 07:52 AM • permalinkRight wing conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists are the archetypal anti-Semites.
Not in my lifetime, bucko. There might just be archives (somewhere) of online arguments I had against lefties in the early ‘90s over Israel’s right to defend itself against terrorism. Lefties were against it; I was for it.
Certainly there are those “on the right” who are anti-semites. In the US, Pat Buchanan comes to mind. However, it’s not an acceptable position in the mainstream. Quite the opposite, in fact; mainstream US conservatism is very pro-Israel and Judaism in general.
Posted by Rob Crawford on 2006 07 10 at 08:05 AM • permalink#50,
I’m constantly targeted…for my left oriented views”.
Not much of a radical, are you. When your heroes Marx and Engels recieved criticism did they whine about it?. No, they stuck their heads even further up their own arses and got on with it. The truth is, the world was not meant for one as beautiful as you. Have you thought about offing yourself, I think you’d be a lot happier.Posted by Daniel San on 2006 07 10 at 08:08 AM • permalinkThe Esteemed Gustov said:
I’d liken the relationship to that of neo-Nazi groups showing concern for the plight of Palestinians.
But Gutov, they do. They have done for years.
Look at Mother Sheehan’s supporters.
Some have recently joined the Left because they’re Anti-Semites : some have recently joined the Right because they’re not. Others are trying to reform the Anti-Semitic Left from within, and meeting heavy resistance.
This is not news, Gustov. Neo-Nazis are Lefties in good standing now, National Socialists, remember?
Not everyone on the Left is Anti-Semitic (well DUH!): but these days, pretty much all Anti-Semites are aligned with the Left and Leftist causes.
Nice friends you have.
I prefer hanging round with these people, described by the World Socialist Website as “Ex-liberals for imperialism and war”.
Dont feed the troll. Dont feed the troll.Dont feed the troll.Dont feed the troll.Dont feed the troll.Dont feed the troll.
I tell myself.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 10 at 08:21 AM • permalink#57: What Zoe said (and a very nice, succinct, logical takedown it was).
BTW, Gustov, if by this comment - You people have as much in common with the wonderful world of progressive Jewish culture, as Islamic fundamentalists have with freedom of expression - you are referring to the “progressive Jewish culture” espoused by people like Anthony Lowenstein, you’ve got a point. Now, put your hat on over it and toddle along.
O/T, this made my 8cents a day worth it. The wetbro church in America is a bunch of nutters who picket the funerals of soldiers sent back from iraq. (scum for short)
The ABC’s Chaser suckered one into an interview.If Im not mistaken Gustfrom mycleft would consider them “righties”. Most on the right would consider them from another planet.
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 10 at 08:38 AM • permalinkThis guy’s renunciation of Islam sounds like Taqqiyah on the order of Assem Hammoud’s playboy lifestyle. If Hicks really had renounced Islam, the guys at Gitmo would have killed him (or tried to) because the penalty for leaving Islam is death; they wouldn’t have just talked to him. From the article, it seems that Hicks is merely an inobservant Islamic terrorist. He’s much more dangerous to Oz society if people believe that he has abjured Islam.
WRT cjblair’s commnet, the Arabs are Nazis. They collaborated with Hitler and Himmler in the extermination of the Jews. The grand mufti of Jerusalem visited concentration camps in Germany and encouraged the guards there to work faster to kill Jews. He even offered to provide troops to Hitler to facilitate the Holocaust; however, Hitler rejected his offer. This strong Nazism continues in Arab societies today and, in conjunction with the teachings of the Koran, is the source of the dehumanization of Jews as apes and pigs. Finally, “forc[ing] the Jews into the ocean” is as good as putting them in an oven; thus, there is no distinction between Arab and Nazi for they are one and the same. I don’t know if your comment was ironic, but it requires deeper thought.
Fact: The Republican Party refused to support David Dukes.
Fact: The Democratic party continues to support Cynthia McKinney and allowed Al Sharpton to campaign as a Democrat.
The attempt to equate conservatves with Islamic fascists is rather tired. The people most willing to fight them in the last ten years ARE the conservatives. Your diatribes underscore the fact that leftists are more apt to be sympathetic to the Islamic fascists, if only because they oppose the conservatives that you reflexively hate. Perhaps the most tiresome aspect of this ludicrous behavior is the notion that you feel yourself to be the sophisticated, progressive one, as opposed to those irksome, simplistic conservatives.
Gustov_deleft said: Amazing how a man as offensive as this, one that believes in the Jewish conspiracy, a true anti-Semite, comments here without censure, yet I’m constantly targeted by commentators and admin for my left oriented views.
The main difference is that he posts and responds reasonably. You typically do not. The majority of the time you do a drive by, so you really shouldn’t be surprised when everyone starts firing at you. Your leftist views have nothing to do with it, its personal.
gustov_deleft said: I’m pleased that you’re all sticking up for your new friends.
AND: Drop the crap - You people have as much in common with the wonderful world of progressive Jewish culture, as Islamic fundamentalists have with freedom of expression.You see, this is what I’m talking about. This is you wearing the Shoot Me I’m an Asshole hat. When you start throwing shit, expect return fire bub.
Oh stop it Tim. Hicks was just criticising Israeli government policy. Does this make him an anti-semite? Certainly not. Why are you trying to stifle debate with this sort of moral blackmail? Oh and some of his best friends are kikes too. Oops Freudian-slip…
Gustuf,
Right wing conservatives and Islamic fundamentalists are the archetypal anti-Semites.
Try telling that to my folks who lived in the USSR under a virtual system of anti-Jewish apartheid. Coincidentally, in the post-war era, Socialist countries were the only countries who implemented a system of virtual anti-Jewish apartheid in their societies. Jews were restricted from certain jobs and were mostly barred from attending universities.
The height of anti-Jewish terror of course existed during Stalin’s time - that’s before my parent’s time. But that didn’t stop my folks from getting a taste of the USSR’s anti-Semitic policies.
And who can forget Romania where Ceausescu kept the Jewish community as virtual hostages, just like the Ahmadinejad is doing to Iran’s Jewish community today.
Or how can one forget violent left-wing terror groups like Baader Meinhoff, PFLP, Japanese Red Army or Carlos the Jakyl? more Jews fell victim to these Socialist terror groups in the post war period from violent neo-Nazi groups.
Unfortunately the left - particularly the extreme left - have much in common with neo-Nazis. Your shared hatred of Jews is equal to your shared hatred of capitalism and the free market.
Man, this really chaps my cheeks - I sent the following to the fruitcake from Comedy Central-
You have to be joking, surely.
David Hicks (not his real name as he changed it to Mohammed Dawood) as a war hero?
Besides the fact that the Hicks boosters claim that he was not engaged in any war, if he was locked up in a prisoner of war camp, it would be in an Allied one (Cowra, perhaps? - die like the carp, Mohammed), as he was fighting for the other side. The US Supreme court has just passed judgement, and says that he can be held as a prisoner of war till the end of hostilities (and does not have to be brought before a court unless charged with other offences), so I hope Mullah Omar is not in any hurry to shorten Hicks incarceration.
If I hear much more bleating about poor David, I am going to go feral!!
One would have expected Mr Mitchell to at least get some facts straight. Mr Hicks hasn’t been jailed, he is being held in captivity as a prisoner of war in accordance with the Geneva Convention
The USA treats Mr Hicks in accordance with the Geneva Convention even though Mr Hicks broke the international law of armed conflict by failing to meet the provisions of the Geneva Convention Article 4 (No uniform or identifying marks).
The USA under the Geneva Convention article 118 is entitled to hold Mr Hicks indefinately, without trial, civil legal representation, consular access or visitors (except the Red Cross / Red Crescent) until the War on Terror is over.
Mr Mitchell could avoid flaunting his ignorance by becoming familiar with both the Geneva Convention and the law of armed conflict and the law of occupation. These are the laws that govern the USA’s treatment of Mr Hicks. Even in the recent Hamdan decision the Supreme Court of the USA upheld the right to detain these guys until the end of hostilities. Looks like Mr Hicks has got life in Guantanamo.
Posted by platey mates on 2006 07 10 at 10:42 AM • permalinkFor more yummy antisemitic goodness, Jeff Goldstein’s site Protein Wisdom appears to have been hacked again.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 10 at 10:56 AM • permalinkthefrollickingmole— The ‘reverend’ Phelps and his inbred brood are registered Democrats.
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 07 10 at 10:59 AM • permalinkwell here’s what i sent alex… (expletives modified for the delicate sensibilities of people on this blog and apologies to the owner for the reference to journalists, but i did say mostly, not all)
Mitchell
You certainly get my vote for being the biggest f*ckwit of the year…
For all I know, on top of being an A-grade @sshole, an anti-semite, an illegal combatant, a turncoat and having his head stuck up his @ss so far he can see daylight, there maybe some excuses for Hicks behaviour… I doubt it and that’s why I’m relaxed about seeing him rot in hell, but you never know… maybe he was dropped on his head as a baby and has been retarded ever since or something… so with perhaps diminished responsibility, he probably only qualifies for second place…
But for a bulging sack of sh*t such as yourself, who with an occupation as some sort of journalist (a profession quickly becoming recognized by the Australian people as mostly consisting of the dregs of the earth) means you turn up to an office each day and I assume u aren’t eating the carpet etc, probably suggests that you have a reasonably full collection of faculties (even if you’re committed to not using any of them), there is no excuse or mitigating circumstances… To propose that not only that w*nker be brought home and made Australian of the Year, but that our own Aussie troops serving in Afghanistan (and being shot at if not by his actual buddies, then by people of exactly the same philosophical leanings) vote for him clearly demonstrates that you are a c*nt of the first order, and even leaves Hicks and his scummy compatriots who despise us in the shade… and that is saying something… most people would be ashamed, but I’m sure your proud of that…
My dearest wish is that we could trade you and your kind for some of the many good people who have either been murdered already, by people of Hicks leaning, or maybe for some hostages that might get taken in the future… maybe if you had to endure even a fraction of the pain and torture that his mates have been dishing out in Afghanistan for years under the Taliban, and are still dispensing globally you would then be able to develop something approaching a clue… the bonus would be that what ever vaguely human specimen we would be able to receive in your place, it would be an improvement over your wretched self… failing that, I imagine many normal people would just like to get you in a room with a bit of rubber hose and start enlightening you about the merits of that suggestion… seeing as more than likely none of us will get the chance, can I then just suggest that you and others of your kind make the world a better place and rid us yourselves of your own nauseating presence, if you don’t know how, once again I am sure there will be many who could offer suggestions..
Places like Australia could only benefit by the absence of d*ckheads like yourself, by any means possible…
You useless pr*ck
#58 gutsy
yet I’m constantly targeted by commentators and admin for my left oriented viewsNo mate, you are targetted because you are:
1. A dick head
2. A dick head who insists on wanking in public
3. A dickhead wanker who tries to be funny but only manages to demonstrate ignorance every time
4. An ignorant dickhead wanker who thinks every time ‘gotcha’, only to be shot down every time.We love your left wing views! Life doesn’t have enough humour. If only you weren’t an ignorant wanking dick head.
What University did you say you taught at, Gutsy?
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 10 at 11:19 AM • permalinkHowever, if we (western democracies) pride ourselves as being beacons of freedom, then we should afford all, even the dickheads, due process.
Read Section A, Article 4 of the Geneva Convention, numbskull. He’s not entitled to due process. He was entitled to a summary execution.
Speaking of Nazis, where’s Darrinh gone?
Amazing how a man as offensive as this, one that believes in the Jewish conspiracy, a true anti-Semite, comments here without censure
Bullshit. If anybody says anything anti-Semitic here, they’d have me and a shitload of other commenters jumping down their throats. If Darrinh said anything of the sort, I sure as hell missed it. Quote, please. And from this site.
As far as your bullshit about right-wingers being anti-Semites - William F. Buckley sniffed out Pat Buchanan’s Jew-hate years ago. That’s why Buchanan is PNG on the Right. Now when will the Left in America do the same to Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson and Al Sharpton?
gustov, are you ever factually correct about anything?. You’re as clueless as Addamo.
“U.S. Rep. Jim
MoronMoran, VA”You had it right the first time, #77 El Cid.
The only thing I would add is a “D” for Democrat (or, more correctly, an “A” for “asshole”).
Posted by Barbara Skolaut on 2006 07 10 at 12:15 PM • permalinkyet I’m constantly targeted by commentators and admin for my left oriented views.
You just say that, gusty, because you can’t distinguish between honest disagreement and the vile ugliness that prevails on too many lefty blog sites. Plus, you persist in being rude, which invites a healthy slapdown. And the fact that you keep doing it reveals that you rather like being slapped down. You should get some counseling for that. Or else take yourself off to the more… um… adventurous parts of the internet.
So who is more execrable, the vile Hicks or the little wart Mitchell who loudly brays his hatred of country and his contempt for countrymen? At least Hicks knows there’s a war on, but this panty wearing girlie man Mitchell thinks its all a game concocted by Bush. He forgets:
Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate ‘‘war, pestilence, and famine,’’ than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun… The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is—oblivion.
Ulysses S. Grant’s Personal Memoirs.Read Section A, Article 4 of the Geneva Convention, numbskull. He’s not entitled to due process.
Quite so, despite what those five SCOTUS justices seem to think.
Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 07 10 at 03:34 PM • permalinkWow. I expected gustov_demented to say something stupid, but I didn’t expect his reply to be that moronic and retarded. So our “new friends” are the Jews, whom we, goose-stepping fascists to a man, previously hated. I can’t think of where I’ve seen a more shining example of steaming idiocy in all my years on the internet.
Good lord. Ban you? That would be like banning sunshine, warm spring breezes, and puppies from the world. Oh no, gusty, you don’t get that lucky. You belong to US, and we aren’t going to give you up.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 10 at 06:20 PM • permalinkrichard mcenroe
I didnt know that. Inbreds anyway…
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2006 07 10 at 07:06 PM • permalinkLooks like gustov was phoning in that last rant right from the “only Neonazis are capable of hating Jews” Lala-land that Darp Hau has created with his FightDemBack endeavour. I’ve got to agree with Andrea though…I expected a lot while reading through the thread, but gustov managed to exceed (undercut?) my wildest imaginations with that incomprehensible twaddle.
Ban you? That would be like banning sunshine, warm spring breezes, and puppies from the world.
Banning syphilis, and dog ends from footpaths, more like it. But then…
You belong to US, and we aren’t going to give you up.
That’s a concept I can live with.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 07 10 at 10:04 PM • permalinkJust thought I would post the email I sent our little friend in response to this article - if i get a response I will post that too.
Dear Alex,
You are an absolute disgrace, to compare David Hicks to Australian prisoners of war in WWII is not only a slight on those Australians captured - particularly by the Japanese - during the second world war but also shows your complete detachment from reality.
Lets examine the differences between the typical WWII POW and Hicks; aka Abu Muslim al Austraili (I guess that is slightly patriotic) aka Muhammed Dawood (sounds like a Korean car). On the one hand you have an individual who signs up to serve his country and his countries interests overseas. On the other hand (with Hicks) you have a character who according to his indictment:
. . on or about May 1999 . . . travelled to Tirana, Albania and joined the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a paramilitary organisation fighting on behalf of Albanian Muslims. Hicks completed basic military training at a KLA camp and engaged in hostile action . . .
In early 2000, he joined a terrorist organisation known as Lashkar e Tayyiba (LET), or “Army of the Righteous”.
Following training at Mosqua Aqsa, Hicks, along with LET associates . . . engaged in hostile action against Indian forces . . .
On or about January 2001, Hicks, with funding and a letter of introduction provided by LET, travelled to Afghanistan to attend al-Qaida terrorist training camps . . .
While Hicks was training at al Farouq, Osama bin Laden visited the camp on several occasions. During one visit, Hicks questioned bin Laden regarding the lack of English al-Qaida training material; accepting bin Laden’s advice, Hicks began to translate the training camp materials . . .
(T)he military commander of al-Qaida summoned and interviewed Hicks about his background and the travel habits of Australians . . .
On or about June 2001, Hicks (was) taught how to fight in an urban environment . . . and assassination techniques . . .
On or about August 2001 . . . Hicks and others conducted surveillance of various targets in Kabul, including the US and British embassies, and submitted reports . . .
On or about early September 2001, Hicks travelled to Pakistan to visit a friend. After watching television footage of the September 11 attacks . . . Hicks returned to Afghanistan to rejoin his al- Qaida associates . . .
On or about October 2001, after coalition bombing operations commenced, Hicks joined an armed group outside the (Kandahar) airport, where they guarded a Taliban tank.
After guarding the tank for approximately one week, Hicks, still armed with the AK-47 rifle, ammunition and grenades, travelled with an LET acquaintance to Konduz, Afghanistan, arriving around November 9, 2001. There, he joined others . . . who were engaged in combat against coalition forces.
While I acknowledge that these are all allegations only - I further suggest that they are not all false (if indeed any are) and they fit a pattern of a little man with a hero complex wanting to play professional soldier. Hicks is nothing better than a common mercenary - indeed he is something far worse - he is a traitor to his country, he fought against coalition forces which included Australians.
I can give you a 100% guarantee that there is not one serviceman or woman in this nation (and yes I am ex army) that will welcome Muhammed Darwood… sorry David Hicks home.
I can further assure you that Hicks is suffering nothing like the privations endured by Australian prisoners of the Japanese in the Second World War. Unlike WWII POW’s I can assure you Hicks and friends are not been starved, systematically beaten, randomly executed and worked to death. This begs the question as to whether you are deluded enough to suggest to a Changi survivor that Hicks is going through the same thing as they did, or whether you are just sensationalising.
Oh and by the way Hicks cannot even be said to have an unwavering spirit - didn’t you see his pretty little letter saying he would fit in if he was just allowed to come back.
Alastair James Smith.I’m pretty good now with the Lassie shtick, Cid. I can flick a ‘calling card’ clear over the fence and into the neighbour’s daisies, blindfolded!
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2006 07 10 at 10:50 PM • permalink90. Mordred, Thank you.
Re Sheehan, (are we sure he isnt the same chappie as Paul “all civil war all the time” McGeough”)? S. has been having a bet each way on most things for quite a long time. Read his columns/books closely and you will find that he assembles facts so as to suggest,imply and intimate, but never actually makes an argument. Certainly not one he’s prepared to stand behind.
This could be not so much a political position - he hasnt really got one- but the consequence of an intellectual disability- he grabs at facts that appeal to him but can’t quite decide what they all add up to.
A bower bird rathe than a polemicist.
that “Israel’s moral capital” thing reads like something he picked up somewhere and quite liked the sound of—but whose exact meaning he hasn’t taken the trouble to investigate.
A curious case.
Posted by arrowhead ripper on 2006 07 11 at 12:41 AM • permalinkIn all seriousness, with Sheehan may have gone off track in this case, his overall body of work and gumption over a long period is to be admired.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 07 11 at 01:08 AM • permalinkI meant above in response to comment at 72.
War on Terror is a deliberately misleading idea anyway. It is no more possible to have a War on Terror than it is to have a War on Drugs.
Both are the rsult of many different and complex circumstances, both are ridiculously expensive and both will failed until the Root Causes are treated.
Gonzalez and others have seen to it that the (Quaint) Geneva Convention will only be used when it suits the purposes of the US. The War on Terror on their terms will never end and so Hicks, even though a prsioner of war by any terms, will be incarcerated ad infinitum.
Because it suits certain interests.
What will happen should those interests turn against you? Do you expect somebody or other to speak for you?hal-thall, o ye who speaks in a somewhat familiar tone, the Root Cause of terrorism is—- why, could it be opression? racism?
Certainly it cannot be what Bin Laden and a bunch of other spokesmen (MEN) for the terrorists have stated repeatedly: the loss of Al Andalusia; the desire for a world united and ruled by sharia law; the primacy of Islam and the Koran. Right?
Please, be unlike gustov-deleft and enlighten me.
“The war of terror on their terms will never end. “
Gee, there’s two pieces of stupidity in one sentence.
1. Who fights a war on terms other than their own and wins? Cite one example.
2. The root cause of terrorism canard sees the light of day once more! Please explain the bombing of a Jordanian wedding in relation to ‘root causes’ such as: Zionist oppression, US neocons, poverty in general or the poor, hapless Palestinians.Or the bombings in Bali.
Or the beheading of schoolgirls in Indonesia.
Or a bomb plot in Canada.
Or the attack on a French oil tanker
Or violent attacks upon Christians and Buddhists in Thailand.
Or the ongoing violence in the SudanGeneva Conventions does not specify uniform.
Legitimate combatant according to Geneva Convention:
(a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
(b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
(c) That of carrying arms openly;
(d) That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
How does Hicks qualify, hal_thall? Gotta have all four.
“Gotta have all four.” Aye, and there’s the rub. One, two, three out of four ain’t good enough. It’s got to be the whole lot and the enemy has to be a ‘high contracting power’ to the Convention. Now it may very well be that one of the combatant powers decides that Geneva rules will be observed even in the absence of their applicability to the other side (indeed, the Uniform Code of Military Justice under which all US forces operate supersedes and subsumes Geneva) but it is under no obligation to do so. Hicks effectively rendered himself an outlaw; Geneva would have had nothing to say on the matter had he been subjected to a drumhead court martial and shot on the spot. The UCMJ prohibits this in its status as ‘Geneva-plus’, but there is nothing in the internationally-agreed laws of war that conflicts with Hicks’s treatment to this point.
Posted by David Gillies on 2006 07 11 at 02:14 PM • permalinkWho’s this HAL or drproll?? You telling me the ideas are spreading? Thank God.
So Hicks was a bit of a “larikin-wally?”
Had he killed a bystander being a “larikin-wally” doing donuts in the street, would he deserve to be locked up like this? And he was guarding a Taliban tank in Afghanistan? Sounds like a real serious danger to Australia.If wallydom was reason to be locked up, indefinitely, in contravention of International Law (despite how it has been ignored/interpreted by various suspect legal opinions and persons) then a very large percentage of the population of Australia at the least (and not a few lawyers and their political brothers) would be in cages.
The sole reason why both Afghanistan and Iraq have been invaded has very very little to do with 9/11 despite all claims to the contrary.
After all, the majority of hijackers were Saudis, aided by Saudis, funded with Saudi money funnelled through the Pakistani Secret Service. This was known at all levels of intelligence yet immediately conflated into a reason to attack two otherwise uninvolved Sovereign States. The consequences are plain for all to see.
We all know the real reason and it is to be found in the discredited PNAC documentation.The devious little arsesuck Howard decided for his own aggrandisement to follow Bush on these lunatic escapades and put Australian service personnel in harms way.
Why? What real benefit has that produced?
That is why Australia is now in the X hairs. Similarly, the dreadful bombings in London were a response to Blair doing a similar suckjob from Downing Street.
Are we all obliged to follow the foolish footsteps of such people? I think not. In fact we have a duty as true patriotic citizens, to resist such dangerous policies.
The Geneva Convention was established at a time when wars were fought according to now quaint historical “norms” (!!) between clearly recognised armies. Hence the rather gentlemanly terminology.
Are you really suggesting that any population that rises up against an invader can expect to be murdered out of hand if caught, JUST because they didn’t have on either a standardised uniform or unit emblem?? After all, a style of dress can easily connote membership of a group of people. Why not a similar standard for people who are banded together to protect what they believe in and hold dear??No, Hicks is a pawn in some nasty spiteful little game. Christ alone knows what the prize is to be, but this game diminishes all who propose, run and justify it.
I know you can’t stand significant, contrary views on this blog site, that much is plain. Serious disagreement is cut short and sneered or smeared. It’s the only answer you have. But who really gives a fuck??
#102 Good on you hal thall.
This would easily make the top ten of the best essays (350-400 words category) that I have seen on this site that explains how dissent is so brutally cut short here.
I must agree that contrary views should be the only views allowed at this website, because otherwise there are way too many things I don’t agree with.
Posted by Margos Maid on 2006 07 11 at 10:58 PM • permalinkMargo’s Maid, what on earth are you waffling on about, re #102? I can’t see any post #102. As you know, all dissenting comments are expunged from this blog, so its probably been deleted.
Hang on, that’s that in teeny-weeny type above #103? Something about not giving a fuck? Are they talking about the soccer World Cup again?
Posted by Stop Continental Drift! on 2006 07 11 at 11:20 PM • permalinkI’d ban half-a-ball, but I suspect he joined up and posted that rant for that very reactipn, so he can preen and play martyr. I suspect he’s just another drive-by coward and won’t be back, so I won’t bother.
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2006 07 11 at 11:30 PM • permalinkI know you can’t stand significant, contrary views on this blog site
Which was preceeded by:
devious little arsesuck Howard
Very nice. You alluded to the root causes of terrorism game, then never defended it. You also made claims regarding the Geneva Conventions, and made a hash of them. You were called on these things, and now you’ve decided to minimize one or two of the allegations directed at Hicks, combined with foul language and sneers at John Howard. And this is your notion of a ‘significant view’!?!
When one considers that gun ownership is regarded by many in the West to be at best anachronistic, and a form of lunacy by others, being associated with guarding a tank might be seen as going somewhat astray from conventional wisdom. Perhaps only you could view guarding a tank several thousand miles from one’s home as being a harmless, non-threatening, non-event. Of all of the allegations, you decided to defend guarding a tank. What was his defense? He didn’t have the keys, so he couldn’t know for sure if it was loaded!?! Well, gee, you’ve gone and convinced me! Where do I sign up???
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I suggest: not dissent, not reasoned argument. Mr Mitchell and his ilk are simply on the other side.