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ANGRY SANDERSON

Responding to criticism from Webdiary reader Adam Smith, professional junior Margonaut Wayne Sanderson allegedly challenged Adam to a fight. Adam reports:

He wrote that because I implied he was a liar, incompetent and useless that he would “at this stage of preceedings like to ask [me] outside to settle things the old fashioned way.”

I say “allegedly” because the supplied link to Wayne’s alleged challenge merely directs readers to the top of the post at which the challenge allegedly appeared—and where no challenge may now be found. Did Wayne quickly alter his comment (if such a comment he did, in fact, make) without alerting readers to any change? If so, he’s in clear violation of Webdiary Ethic 6.0:


I will let you know when archives have been changed except when changes do not alter their substance, for example corrections to spelling or grammar.

We await clarification. Meanwhile, also concerning matters ethical, Sanderson brags about the number and quality of subscribers to his The Daily Briefing email service:

The subscriber list for TDB contains the names of some of the country’s best journalists, two magazine editors, academics, lawyers, political staffers, busy at home parents with children, some of the smartest people I know, a judge and a Senator. All had a free trial and bought a subscription.

A full TDB sub costs $77. Will Sanderson be refunding this amount to subscribers now that he’s sold TDB to Webdiary, where anybody—subscriber or not—can read it for free?

Posted by Tim B. on 10/14/2005 at 02:06 AM
  1. Be careful Tim you may find yourself to be asked outside.

    Posted by gubbaboy on 2005 10 14 at 03:21 AM • permalink

  2. or he could give them 77 shares in WebDiary Corp.
    which a few months will be worth…....nothing

    Posted by Rachel Corrie's Flatmate on 2005 10 14 at 03:29 AM • permalink

  3. After reading about web-diary on this site for years, I finally checked it out.  Its nothing but a group blog. Silent Running, Samizdata and a bunch of others do the same thing, but better.

    Posted by debi L. on 2005 10 14 at 03:33 AM • permalink

  4. It’s not a blog, debi L!!!!

    It’s a…erm…Webdiary.

    Posted by James Waterton on 2005 10 14 at 03:57 AM • permalink

  5. Can we demand some kind of public apology on the site for Adam Smith and to all of her “loyal” readers for her drop in standards?

    Maybe we can demand that margo resign?...

    (And any apology should be made in full bold, at her expense)

    Posted by Mospact on 2005 10 14 at 04:04 AM • permalink

  6. #4. Webdairy = car wreck in slo-mo.

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 14 at 04:22 AM • permalink

  7. Postings overboard? Surely not! Such a thing has never previously been seen on Webdiary!

    Posted by Imre on 2005 10 14 at 04:27 AM • permalink

  8. I have only glanced at TDB once, a few days ago, and one of the features of that day’s round up of the very best journalism and the very best intellects, from around the world, was an entire paragraph directing everyone to read the latest and greatest from Emma Tom

    Now I know why academics, political staffers, some of the best journalists in this country, as well as Mum’s at home, would subscribe to TDB - so much they could learn from Emma Tom, and so much they could emulate.

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 14 at 04:44 AM • permalink

  9. Hey Imre, dont make Wayne Sanderson mad - he may come after you like Phil ‘Knuckles’ Adams threatened to. It’d be nasty for you - like being mauled by sheep.

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 14 at 05:02 AM • permalink

  10. ...some of the smartest people I know, a judge and a Senator.

    Not much of an advertising angle when you consider the Senate contains such oxygen thieves as Kerry Nettle and Bob Brown.

    Posted by Chas on 2005 10 14 at 05:19 AM • permalink

  11. #10. Oh yeah! And Bob Brown is a Doctor as well - imagine him giving you a physical! It’d be like, dont look at my nads! or my ass!

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 14 at 05:30 AM • permalink

  12. Sheep bites can be pretty nasty, you know.

    Posted by Pixy Misa on 2005 10 14 at 06:27 AM • permalink

  13. I’ve come up with an idea about how to handle the posts overboard problem at Webdiary. I will continue to occasionally hang out there like a weekender in a parallel universe.

    But in future when they send one of my posts to some ugly place on the other side of oblivion I’ll simply come here and post it on the nearest relevant thread with a short note on context. Or even O/T.

    If that’s OK with you guys?

    In theory everyone should be happy. You get to see examples of what they are censoring. Their readers get to see what’s been left out of a debate. And they don’t have to prejudice their pristine ethical standards.

    They can’t ban me for that!

    Can they?

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 06:53 AM • permalink

  14. #10, #11, Tim, Fellow Readers:

    As a Tasmanian, I would like to apologise, unreservedly, for the stupidity of some of our less intelligent Apple Isle (Welfare State) dwellers for their dirty habit of voting for such Senators, and other assorted Greens.

    There is, however, hope for our small island State- I ask that both Tasmanians and our fellow Mainlanders write to the Sham Senators requesting their immediate retirement from politics and any public service positions on the grounds of attempted propagandising of Australians, blatant lies in the Upper House, misuse of Government funds, and generally being an embarrassment at both the federal and state level.

    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

    Posted by anthony27 on 2005 10 14 at 07:00 AM • permalink

  15. As a slight variation on the Oxygen Wasting Senator theme, did anyone catch what Kerry Nettle’s sister-in-law, Lara (Australian Companion Rabbit Society President), had to say at the court appearance of that weirdo Kiwi rabbit raper? Lara’s a few bunnies short of a warren, it seems. Check this  out.

    Posted by James Waterton on 2005 10 14 at 07:10 AM • permalink

  16. Adam Smith seems to have hit a big nerve with Wayne Sanderson. It made me laugh when I saw that Sando had remarked he was spending at least 60 hrs a week on it. Either Sando is telling huge porkies here or Margo is running an online sweat shop.
    After checking out The Daily Briefing myself I think Sando has some explaining to do.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 10 14 at 07:16 AM • permalink

  17. Actually, I thought the senator was ex senator and general net ‘wank-stick’ Andrew Bartlett.

    Posted by Nic on 2005 10 14 at 07:52 AM • permalink

  18. eeeeeeh what’s up Doc? Wun wabbit wun…

    Posted by crash on 2005 10 14 at 11:02 AM • permalink

  19. Okay, that rabbit thing is just…ew.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 10 14 at 12:36 PM • permalink

  20. I’ve come up with an idea about how to handle the posts overboard problem at Webdiary ... If that’s OK with you guys?

    geoff, we don’t mind Webdiary refuges as long as you’re friendly and don’t engage in stupid liberal tirades.  Like conspiracy theories.
    Rove is everywhere

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 14 at 01:10 PM • permalink

  21. Hell, I like Webdiary refugees. It’s like having students from an Iron Curtain country coming to the West for some cultural exchange program and giving them an eyeful of freedom.

    Well, OK, that’s a little much. But you get what I mean.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 14 at 01:24 PM • permalink

  22. A full TDB sub costs $77. Will Sanderson be refunding this amount to subscribers…?

    I doubt it.  But now I have a question of my own:  Why are we laughing at these guys?  How do I get some of this action?

    Would anybody here pay $76 for an email list of zeppenwolf’s comments?  ( Comes with luxurious amounts of bolding. )

    Posted by zeppenwolf on 2005 10 14 at 01:57 PM • permalink

  23. I can’t get enough of the WD refugee stories. They’re like these wide-eyed escapees from some jungle cult, still twitching and scratching at their beards, empty kool-aid cup clutched desperately in one shaking hand and telling stories of unfathomable debauchery. It’s lefty train-wreck porn and I can’t get enough!

    One can only hope WDINC gets bigger - much bigger, much more expensive, and many more name-brand lefties involved before the grand finale of disintegration and recriminations. I hope it doesn’t finish anytime soon, this show is only just beginning and there’s just so much potential!

    Posted by hkstar on 2005 10 14 at 02:55 PM • permalink

  24. #23 Hkstar, There’s huge potential. Why don’t we start with a cage match between Sanderson and Adam Smith, that would add to the fun. Watch two lefties throw a couple of thousand haymaker airswings in the first 30 seconds and then revert to scratching and bitch slapping to end out the round and remainder of the fight.

    You’ve got to laugh. Margo could make a squillion if she only harnessed the power of her site being an entertainment and comedy free for all. I mean if Margo decided tommorrow that Webdiary was subscription only I’m sure there would be many that’d pay just to follow all the tomfoolery.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 10 14 at 05:39 PM • permalink

  25. Oooo, two big butch Webdiary boys going for it.

    Well, perhaps not.

    It doesn’t remind of the scene from Bridget Jones’s Diary when Hugh Grant and Colin Firth have a “fight” at all.

    Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 14 at 05:50 PM • permalink

  26. #20 Ohhh, THAT wronwright!

    What no conspiracy theories at all? None? Not even the one about Webdiary being a Mossad front from the very start or the one about Damian Lattaan not being a real person? (WD Dividing The Nation thread 6/9/05 12.51)

    Alright guys I’m going to have to wean myself off these slowly, OK? No sudden movements please.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 06:06 PM • permalink

  27. Darlene sweetheart. You can butch around my place any time you like.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 06:09 PM • permalink

  28. Bunnies “sexually interfered” with?  Why can’t we have scandal like this in the U.S.?

    Completely OT, but the U.S. network NBC got caught staging a report this morning on the Todayshow, which is broadcast live.

    newsbusters.org

    Posted by Hellbilly on 2005 10 14 at 06:44 PM • permalink

  29. Look out!  It’s a brutal slap fight!  Oh, the hissing!

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 14 at 07:57 PM • permalink

  30. geoff, it’s the “George Bush and his cabal of neocons are taking over the world” talk that pisses me off.  The leftwing faction honestly believes that George Bush has elected to pursue a war so he can take over Iraq and its oil.  With the eventual goal of controlling the Middle East and 70%+ of the world oil supply.  And with that, effective control of the world.

    Why in hell would he want that?  Who in their right mind would want that?  (emphasis on “right mind”)

    The only reason we’re there is because the Islamists have not only reached the point where we could no longer tolerate their increasingly depraved and bloodthirty acts, they vaulted over it.  The President, Tony Blair, John Howard, and their aides have charted out the next 30 years based on various fact patterns, coming up with the results of what they can expect to encounter.  Putting a stop to it now is the only viable solution. 

    Unfortunately this requires invading one of the most powerful and influential countries there and installing a new form of government and governing.  This is a reformation process of a great religion more exacting and more dangerous than the one Martin Luther began with Catholicism.

    As you read the comments on this blog you will notice that many of us joke about this neocon conspiracy and our ardent desire to join it.  It is all parody in which we take our cues by the latest crazy assertions made by the left.  There is no rightwing conspiracy to take over the world.  Well at least none I’m allowed to discuss.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 14 at 08:33 PM • permalink

  31. Doesn’t Webdiary big-cheese Margo consider herself a journalist—nay, a veteran journalist? 

    I eagerly await Media Watch’s looksee into this.

    Posted by Achillea on 2005 10 14 at 09:05 PM • permalink

  32. Would somebody who knows wronwright better than me please take him by the shoulders, give him a gentle slap and softly explain to him what is going on?

    Wronny me old mate and comrade-in-arms take a closer look at some of the posts on both sides of your link at #20. It’s not just Rove who is everywhere.

    As for aspirations to join the neocon conspiracy. Parody! You call that parody? Take a look at [WD New Orleans thread 11/09/05 10.18am] Now that’s parody.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 09:21 PM • permalink

  33. Alison Broinowski is at it again at Margolia.

    “I’d just like us to remember that the US administration doesn’t represent the views of all Americans”

    One could also remember that Broinowski type pseudo-intellectual academics do not represent the views of the Australian people. Her comments are neither rational nor scholarly. Her work is derivative drivel.

    That idiot lefty hack thinks that because she has a token academic attachment to ANU that somehow she can denigrate the concept of democracy, rubbish the US, minimise the oil for food scandal and promotes Kyoto and the ICC. I have her number; she is stuck in a neo-Marxist class based view of the world in which those with authentic moral authority are seen as inherently evil. It is what my patients call a balanced world view, “a chip on each shoulder.”

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 14 at 09:24 PM • permalink

  34. Alright guys I’m going to have to wean myself off these slowly, OK? No sudden movements please.

    Do not, repeat, do NOT be afraid of our guns. They are only for self-defense, hunting dangerous (and delicious) animals, and keeping the King of England out of our faces.

    Also, realize that here, the men are men and the women are women (even the lesbians). No leftie gender ambiguity here, with guys who can’t change their own oil or girls who won’t put on a little make-up or any of that ambi/metro/whozeewhatsisexuality nonsense.

    Also, we have a sense of humor, so be sure to recognize irony when you see it (see above).

    Although it’s still all true.  ;-)

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 14 at 09:29 PM • permalink

  35. Sorry jeoff, I wasn’t directing that tirade at you.  More like a venting of much fury that was building from my time over at Webdiary.  Actually most of them were civil, but they simply don’t occupy the universe I believe I’m in.  Maybe they’re in a Star Trek parallel universe in which George Bush wears a sleeveless tunic and Karl Rove wears a goatee.  I suppose Rumsfeld would be McCoy, Cheney maybe Scottie.

    Let’s see, while I’m at this I could see Richard McEnroe as the bad Sulu, nice and obedient when the captain is in his chair but conspiring when he’s left the bridge.  Dave S could be Chehkov, nice but ready for a fight with an alien troll.

    As for me I’d probably be the feckless security guy that gets clobbered by the alien monster as soon as the away team materializes.  I’d bet Sulu would be the one that orders me to go too.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 14 at 09:40 PM • permalink

  36. Achillea - MargO insists that she is a senior journalist. 

    I’m disturbed by visions of “geoff” being weaned-off something - is this WD / MargO related?  If so, eeeeeeewwwww.  Please keep between consenting adults; I’ll never get images out of my head.

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 14 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  37. Dave S could be Chehkov, nice but ready for a fight with an alien troll.

    I’m Chekhov? Chekhov?!

    Such insolence cannot go unpunished.

    [Holds out hand]

    Your agonizer, Mr. Wronwright…

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 14 at 09:55 PM • permalink

  38. Oh, you’re new so I better caution you on something.  Under no circumstances should you overuse bold tags, italics, strikes, or underlines.  And none of this !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shit either.  And the use of CAPS TO WRITE YOUR COMMENTS JUST PISSES ME OFF.

    There have been some very selfish commenters here (looks over at The Real JeffS, Habib, and especially sortelli with a very mean glare) who have been raiding the font jars while Andrea’s been yelling at orang and some other trolls.  Yes, they’ve taken advantage (and I suspect they pinched the chocolate chip cookies I baked for Karl Rove too - grrrrr).  If it wasn’t for the fact that Karl seemed to enjoy the chaos that ensued, they damn well be limited to using only lower case letters from now on.  If I had my way.

    I have a mind to tell Andrea on them.  Then they’d get it.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 14 at 09:57 PM • permalink

  39. #32, geoff.  I’ll slap wronwright for you.  He says I do anyway, but he can’t prove it, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it, but at least now I’d have a real reason.

    And besides, somebody needs to show those Webdiary sissies how it’s done.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 10 14 at 10:20 PM • permalink

  40. #34 Dave S

    So it’s OK if I make the occasional pass at Darlene then?

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 10:29 PM • permalink

  41. And RebeccaH?

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 14 at 10:31 PM • permalink

  42. WRONWRIGHT IS EVERYTHING OKAY I AM KINDA WORRIED ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I AM GOING TO SWEAR OFF THE LESSER FORMS OF PUNCTUATION FOR AWHILE JUST TO HELP OUT IT IS MY WAY OF PITCHING IN TO THE TIMBLAIR DOT NET COMMUNITY I WILL ONLY TYPE WITH CAPITALS AND !!!!!!!!!!!! FROM NOW ON

    LOVE AND KISSES

    Posted by Sortelli on 2005 10 15 at 12:01 AM • permalink

  43. anarchist

    sheesh, it’s hard to get good fascists these days…

    Posted by CB on 2005 10 15 at 12:31 AM • permalink

  44. Vicious- he hit me with a flower…

    Posted by crash on 2005 10 15 at 12:50 AM • permalink

  45. O/T Its almost summer and Warnie’s bowling…

    Posted by crash on 2005 10 15 at 12:55 AM • permalink

  46. Hey Imre, dont make Wayne Sanderson mad - he may come after you like Phil ‘Knuckles’ Adams threatened to. It’d be nasty for you - like being mauled by sheep.

    Yeah, go ahead and laugh, Sheep are like wimps, yes?
    But wait until this becomes a reality and we will see who is laughing.

    Posted by burrah on 2005 10 15 at 01:45 AM • permalink

  47. I am no Rumpole, but I would guess that what Margo and her paid goons are doing is pure and simple fraud. Margo has bolted since my revelations of her ethical chicanery with Media Tart, Associate Professor Lumby.

    In that time, Webdiary has moved from being a hang-out for members of The Greens to little more than a commercial cyber-clipping service with the clipping provided by a dangerous and violent chap, apparently named Wayne Sanderson.

    The site is nothing more than his garish corporate log repeated several times down an HTML-page copying and posting the work of real journalists, hackneyed polemicists, nutjobs, and Dawkin’s Universities nut-jobs re-heated as “The Daily Briefing!” I calculate nowadays that 17 people read Webdiary and 2.5 post.

    Margo, oh Margo. For where art thou Margo? Deny thy Lumby and call out my name! I live in the East, and Noelene is fun!

    At the hair-dressers we hope!

    Posted by Noelenet on 2005 10 15 at 02:03 AM • permalink

  48. Noelenet - still hoping to read your deliciously titled article.  Any updates, on that front?

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 15 at 02:10 AM • permalink

  49. #8 “so much they could learn from Emma Tom, and so much they could emulate.”

    Don’t you mean immolate? I know I feel like setting fire to things after I’m subjected to the work of Emma Tom.

    Posted by Caz on 2005 10 15 at 02:31 AM • permalink

  50. Note to all non-Australian readers. The title of this post ‘Angry Sanderson’ is a play on words of ’ Angry Anderson’ the lead singer from legendary Aust rock band Rose Tattoo.
    (R.I.P Dallas ‘Digger’ Royal).

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 15 at 02:41 AM • permalink

  51. Wronwright, I bought my vowels and punctuation in krysygtan.  On sale, but they are MINE. 

    OH, AND THE CAPITALS ARE MINE AS WELL!!!!!!!


    BUAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

    Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2005 10 15 at 03:11 AM • permalink

  52. # 51- soooo FAKE - couldn’t you tell?  No wonder they were on sale.

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 15 at 03:14 AM • permalink

  53. CK

    Here is my “beta” site.

    Noelene’s Media Tarts Busters!

    Posted by Noelenet on 2005 10 15 at 04:41 AM • permalink

  54. Noelene, your link doesn’t work. Could you please resend it?

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 15 at 04:52 AM • permalink

  55. OK. Try this. Noelene’s Media Tart Busters

    Posted by Noelenet on 2005 10 15 at 05:01 AM • permalink

  56. 355. Noelenet. Hang on a bit! dont you need a prospectus and a ‘float’ to start an online newspaper? ;)

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 15 at 05:17 AM • permalink

  57. And where exactly did she get the entire alphabet, spaces, punctuation, and formatting?  Raiding the cupboards before skipping from WD?

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 15 at 05:33 AM • permalink

  58. #44 Crash “Vicious- he hit me with a flower…”

    Ah, Lou Reed’s Transformer, an album of such avant garde pop brilliance. Perfect Day is the most sublimely wistful song.

    /sensitiveside

    —Nick

    Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 15 at 05:47 AM • permalink

  59. Seriously, wtf? I’m guessing that comment related to a music compendium?

    Posted by CB on 2005 10 15 at 08:35 AM • permalink

  60. CB, Transformer released around 1976 was Lou Reed’s best album, being produced and heavily influenced by David Bowie.

    Crash’s comment references the song Vicious which has the opening line: “Vicious - she hit me with a flower”.

    —Nick

    Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 15 at 08:55 AM • permalink

  61. The title of this post ‘Angry Sanderson’ is a play on words of ‘ Angry Anderson’ the lead singer from legendary Aust rock band Rose Tattoo.

    Do you mean that bald, 13-year-old midget?

    I think I saw them open for Aerosmith back in the day.

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 15 at 11:02 AM • permalink

  62. [Graham Chapman humorless colonel mode on]

    This site has gotten very silly.

    [/Graham Chapman humorless colonel mode off]

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 15 at 11:03 AM • permalink

  63. TMR:
    Transformer is a nice album, but Lou’s best? Definitely not. Consider:

    Rock and Roll Animal for those who want the Velvets’ greatest hits reprised loud—White Light/White Heat and sweet Jane in particular.

    Berlin for the better of the two Bowie-influenced albums

    Growing Up in Public and Coney Island Baby - fine examples of Lou’s middle period, when the layering of rythms and lyrics found its own momentum.

    And of course, the absolutely superb “New York”, which is also of interest to those who have followed Lou’s path to maturity. In the original Sweet Jane, he lampoons middle-class aspirations, but by New York he has come full circle, lambasting a welfare state that denies black kids the opportunity to grow up, study, and become lawyers and doctors. A big change indeed from I Wanna Be Black!

    That said, Lou remains problematical. When it comes to politics, he still suffers to an unfortunate degree from the arty left’s herd instinct. But he is capable of original thought.

    Lou’s best song: “I’ll be your mirror”. Listen to it when you’re half crocked, late at night and with someone you love. It’s a simple and beautiful affirmation of the support we give freely and joyfully to those to whom we have pledged our hearts.

    Posted by Professor Bunyip on 2005 10 15 at 12:41 PM • permalink

  64. you will notice that many of us joke about this neocon conspiracy and our ardent desire to join it. 

    wronwright—and you wonder why your key card to the private bar doesn’t work?  By the way, beam down and drain that space lake, would you?

    Professor Bunyip—Are we talking about Lou Reed the scooter salesman?  As far as I;m concerned he peaked with his cameo in “Get Crazy!”

    Noelene—

    Margo, oh Margo. For where art thou Margo?... At the hair-dressers we hope!

    Can they comb it all that far forward?

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2005 10 15 at 04:22 PM • permalink

  65. In case you haven’t seen a Gawenda garrotting lately, pop over to the
    Bunyip’s place!

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 10 15 at 06:22 PM • permalink

  66. I just dug out my copy of Transformer (on cassette, no less) and found out it was actually released in 1973 though this Boston Phoenix article says it was released in ‘72. Maybe it was in the US.

    The Phoenix writer describes Transformer as ‘Reed’s first and only real hit album’.

    What I like about it is how relatively upbeat and accessible it is and the fact that it’s well constructed, intelligent pop, undoubtedly due to Bowie’s strong hand at the production helm. Personally, I don’t think you can go past Perfect Day as a beautiful, wistful love song.

    —Nick

    Posted by The Thin Man Returns on 2005 10 15 at 06:37 PM • permalink

  67. Over at Webdiary Edward Teasdale gets stuck into the United Nations.  Webdiarists get stuck into Edward Teasdale

    Posted by Happy John on 2005 10 15 at 08:52 PM • permalink

  68. Welcome, Noelene, nice to have another Aussie broad blogging.

    There’s heap of good birds blogging in Oz now including Rachy from Legless in Perpetuum, Nilknarf from RightWingDeathBogan and humble little me.

    Let me assure that while blogging is fun, the groupies are even better.

    Posted by Major Anya on 2005 10 15 at 09:01 PM • permalink

  69. A noble effort by Edward over there, but it’s hard to get out of the iron grip of “I know you are but what am I?” so devilishly played by the Webdiarists.

    Posted by Sortelli on 2005 10 15 at 10:10 PM • permalink

  70. jeoff,

    I should explain that currently I am an apprentice that was initiated into the Evil Cult Known as Neoconservatism about three years ago.  I am on the fast track to become a full fledged member of the Inner Circle, and maybe after years of hard work I eventually hope to become an Elder of Zion. 

    Once I become a full member I get the normal benefits granted by this global organization:

    - biweekly paycheck of generous proportions—we don’t withhold taxes either, that’s something we reserve for liberals who want to redistribute their wealth

    - generous travel expense account—we don’t use the platinum card, we use the depleted uranium card, with no credit limit, sortelli bought his SUV with it

    - company car—with the only condition that it gets less than 10 miles to the gallon, Dave S’s car is a mini submarine with wheels

    - membership in the Neocon Club—this ain’t no little girls’ dress up club like Club Chaos, this is the real thing, with three dance floors, five bars, a 5 star restaurant, 3 bar and grills, a shooting range, and um a quiet library in which not one person has used in 20 years

    - generous clothes allowance—RebeccaH likes to buy furs from endangered species, I really don’t that’s necessary

    - a furnished apartment—most people take a flat in one of the cult’s luxurious apartment buildings (Buckingham Palace, the Parthenon, Eiffel Tower), I personally like Pidgeon Forge

    It’s really a nice deal.  Provided you can become a full fledged member.  But see that’s the trick.  You see, um, there’s lakes.  Lots and lots of lakes.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 15 at 10:11 PM • permalink

  71. Didn’t it used to be the sahara rainforest before G.Bush 1? Who got the promotion for that one?

    Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2005 10 15 at 10:30 PM • permalink

  72. Hey!  You can have my prized wild Mongolian Przewalski’s horsehide coat with the panda trim when you pry it off my cold, dead (or drunken) back.  Unnecessary, indeed!

    #50, believe it or not, this Yank caught the Angry Anderson link, but my sole knowledge of him consists of his role as a Kabuki-mask-toting road warrior in Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2005 10 15 at 10:38 PM • permalink

  73. Thanks wronwright for the background. Much appreciated.

    #67 Happy John

    As you can see I’m trying to lend poor Edward a hand at Webdiary. He’s on his own and there’s a pack of them spewing everything they’ve got.

    These situations can get messy. It can take hours for them to publish your post and they only have to “lose” one to tip the balance. Might be best if brave Edward’s next of kin was put on notice.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 15 at 11:48 PM • permalink

  74. Some excellent efforts by Edward, and a beauty by Greg Moylan.

    Posted by blogstrop on 2005 10 16 at 12:16 AM • permalink

  75. #72. oh yeah, i forgot that angry was a munchkin extra in ‘beyond thunderdome’.
    i cant work out why phil adams thinks all you mericans are ignorant gumnuts! you all seem normal to me.
    p.s sortelli. i’m out of caps and you’re to blame mister.

    Posted by Lucky Nutsacks on 2005 10 16 at 12:42 AM • permalink

  76. Thanks for all of your support over at the University of irrationality i.e. Margolia. My good friend Edward Teasdale is much appreciative.

    I have had to change my name so many times just to have a go at the insufferable Dee Bayliss who ranks right up with Marilyn Shepherd as apprentice with most persistence likely to inherit the mantle of grand poobah of monosymptomatic delusions. Could someone please remove her passport and point her to the nearest immigration officer?

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 16 at 02:01 AM • permalink

  77. Well done ladies and gentlemen.
    I am honoured to be in your presence.
    Sorry. It seems it was me who was slow to see what was going on all along.

    wronwright. Where do I sign up for a junior sub-apprenticeship at the Evil Cult? Is it invitation only?

    Someone at the other place demanded to see my “affiliations” not long ago and I couldn’t even show him a tarnished old Mickey Mouse Club badge.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 16 at 05:59 AM • permalink

  78. O/t Half crocked after watching “The Girl in the Cafe” on abc…
    Wonderful restrained Bill Nighy and gentle,quirky, falling in love story which cataclysmically ramps up into full blown moonbattery at a g8 summit in Iceland.
    Bjork and world poverty and gutless British civil servants and greedy,heartless American negotiators hijack the storyline and suddenly o -I realize I have allowed aunty to suck me in AGAIN.Unthinkable.
    When will these save the world wankers see the world for what it really is and flawed people and governments for what they really are.As the two Ronnies used to say “only when you have scaled the wall in front of you can you go ON -to the next wall.”
    When they see the world as it really IS then they can start working out how to save it.The ****** world is not what they want it to be. It is what it is.Begin by looking with eyes wide open.
    When this preaching embarassing crap concluded La Doogue was riding on its coat-tails with a Compass on bridging the gap ie Muslims.
    Best of all was the news last night when presenter referring to new anti terror laws described them in Shems Bond style as a “LICENCE TO KILL”. give over aunty…..

    Posted by crash on 2005 10 16 at 10:42 AM • permalink

  79. Sorry that was “only when you have your back to the wall can you go ON - to the next wall”.

    Posted by crash on 2005 10 16 at 11:02 AM • permalink

  80. wronwright. Where do I sign up for a junior sub-apprenticeship at the Evil Cult? Is it invitation only?

    Gotta prove yourself. Wax a couple Humvees, check a few lines of code in the Kerrydroid and Gorebot, drain a few lakes…

    Posted by Dave S. on 2005 10 16 at 12:09 PM • permalink

  81. the Neocon Club—this ain’t no little girls’ dress up club like Club Chaos, this is the real thing, with three dance floors, five bars, a 5 star restaurant, 3 bar and grills, a shooting range, and um a quiet library in which not one person has used in 20 years

    Actually, I hear the library’s quite popular with the more ambitious VRWC apprentices. You’re not being scored purely on your practical efforts (i.e. moving lakes and waxing Humvees), you know…

    Posted by PW on 2005 10 16 at 01:36 PM • permalink

  82. Do we know yet, “WILL Sanderson be refunding this amount to subscribers now that he’s sold TDB to Webdiary, where anybody—subscriber or not—can read it for free?” Hope somebody has asked; I can’t go over there to look.

    Posted by m on 2005 10 16 at 03:31 PM • permalink

  83. #60 ...Transformer released around 1976 was Lou Reed’s best album, being produced and heavily influenced by David Bowie.

    Too right it is. If you haven’t got that amongst your CD collection you just don’t appreciate good music. Satellite of Love is probably my first preference, followed closely by Goodnight Ladies. It is a must for all CD collections. If you don’t have it, do yourselves a favour…

    Posted by TruthHandler on 2005 10 16 at 09:27 PM • permalink

  84. wronwright. Where do I sign up for a junior sub-apprenticeship at the Evil Cult?

    Well geoff, this is the way it works.  Once you express some interest in joining the cult social organization, Lord Karl Rove assigns two trusted members (full members, not apprentices) to approach you.  They may approach you in a coffee shop, in a grocery check out lane, church, anywhere.  And they will deliberately bait you into an argument by making a typically leftwing assertion.  “Gee it’s sure hot today, it wasn’t this hot before George Bush became President.  Damn him and his arrogant refusal to abide by the dictates of the Kyoto Protocol”.

    At this point they wait for a response.  If you remain calm and polite, they will simply go away and never trouble you again.  Because you will have failed the first test.  But if you turn and engage them in a debate, supporting Bush and ridiculing the Kyoto Protocol as a sham and fraud (see RebeccaH test video) in which all signatories should be pulled out of their beds in the middle of the night (see Richard McEnroe video) and beaten senselessly (see sortelli video), then you will have past the FIRST TEST.

    Of course, many of us not only passed the first test, we leaped over it.  Dave S for example chased the Official Testers across the Pebble Beach golf course in a souped up energy inefficient golf cart, swinging his driver, and yelling “FOUR BOYS, HERE COMES TWO HOLES IN ONE”.

    Generally speaking, the closer the Official Testers come to losing their lives to a prospective applicant, the better the chances for the person to be initiated into the cult frateral club.  Ask me sometime about when Karl Rove was tested.  That was a test that told the Priority and the Elders that this was a man destined for greatness.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 16 at 09:29 PM • permalink

  85. captai

    Oh, that Dee Bayliss was just too much. I swear, sometimes her posts made me heave; she was just sooo sanctimonious. “I only ever listen to the ABC and read The Guardian.” My daudgher and her friends are not interested in crass materialism or childish shows like “Big Brother.” “Public schools are far superior to private schools.”

    What a pill.

    Posted by Noelenet on 2005 10 16 at 09:32 PM • permalink

  86. Actually, I hear the library’s quite popular with the more ambitious VRWC apprentices.

    Before I joined the Evil Death Cult Known as Neoconservatism, I always wondered whatever happened to the lost manuscripts formerly held by the Great Library of Alexandria and the monasteries of France.  Well now I know.

    Addition to TO DO list:  take a class on cuneiform.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 16 at 09:35 PM • permalink

  87. Wait, the part about advocating the savage beating of environmental goons was a test?

    I thought it was a perk.

    Posted by Sortelli on 2005 10 16 at 09:57 PM • permalink

  88. Wronwright, thank you for a spirited and complimentary response at Margolia.

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 16 at 10:02 PM • permalink

  89. #88 - interesting reading!  Who the hell is Bob Wall, and why is he acting as if WD is HIS sandpit and demanding that youse all abide by HIS rules and requirements?  It’s so funny.  It’s a damned blog for for gawd sake.  When did someome die and make Bob Wall, and other of his ilk, the god and ruler of blogdom?  Even the “eds” do not object to him appropriating WD and running it for them!

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 16 at 10:13 PM • permalink

  90. captain, you’re very welcome.  I did mean it when I wrote that you’re a very good and insightful writer. I wish I could write as well as you.

    Ck, I think Bob is one of a group of loyal readers of Webdiary who meet a certain profile:  basically ultra leftwing.  I can only guess that persons such as Bob enjoyed the crowding out of persons to the right of the spectrum (meaning right of them, not necessarily rightwing).  Unfortunately for them, it appears that Webdiary is trying to attract persons from across the political spectrum.  If they can level out the playing field somewhat, they might well do that.

    Posted by wronwright on 2005 10 16 at 10:29 PM • permalink

  91. For some time now, most of Bob Wall’s posts seem to involve:
    a) demanding an apology for something.
    b) accusing everyone else of being unethical
    c) Loudly announcing that he will not be talking to someone anymore.
    d) Repeatedly addressing people to let them know that he is still ignoring them.

    Posted by ekb87 on 2005 10 16 at 11:40 PM • permalink

  92. Confession: (bloody) Marilyn Shepherd made me an asylum seeker in the bloggosphere. Some kind person who spoke to me in my native dogalog lent me a boot, a mouse and a handy ethernet cable. A non malodourous chap in a nice suit lent me a PC and wireless access. I sailed a perilous number of clicks into this blog.

    Thankfully the kindly and humour filled neocon activists empowered me and welcomed me to my new home. They also helped me fight the cumbersome and thoughtless rules and administrative WD ethics police (i.e. Bob: pronounced as only Rowan Atkinson can) who would merely see me as a name and affiliation rather than what I was really saying. They, at a whim, would see you locked out for the slightest indiscretion without even checking if you had the relevant passport or code in the Fairfax and now secessionist blog.

    The number of times I had been beaten senselessly by paranoid, post menopausal hysterics made me long for freedom. Their brutal whining and head tilting suffocated and terrorised me. I thought I had left Marxism behind in my native Kvetchnia.

    I am considering a tort of psychological injury: theyyyyyy gavvvveeee me PPPPTTTTSSSSDDDD.

    Posted by captain on 2005 10 17 at 12:39 AM • permalink

  93. Actually, I’m pretty annoyed that the webdiarists have to approve of where you blog before you are allowed to post there. What gall.

    Posted by Nic on 2005 10 17 at 01:36 AM • permalink

  94. Nic - from what I have seen via this site, WDer’s tend to now demand information about formal affiliations (eg, I belong to the local library, and the I buy vitamins from Golden Glow), as well as informal affiliations (eg, I talk to the Greek guy at the milkbar, and I go to the local Mum’s group on Tuesday’s), but also, and even more disturbingly, they have taken to an odd little notion that there is only one blog on the Internet, and if anyone wants to contribute to WD, they must not read or contribute to any other blog in the universe, and they must not have a blog of their own.

    Thought censorship, information censorship, absolute conformity, anti-competitive, fascism?

    Posted by Ck on 2005 10 17 at 01:50 AM • permalink

  95. I think Bob is actually demented. I mean literally. The guy is sitting there in front of his computer all day so seething with hatred and pure malice that he has completely lost it. Any mention of Israel or Jews that is not deeply hostile and he loses self-control. He routinely confabulates. Even about things that are on the record for all to see. He talks about “warnings” about discussing “certain issues” because of all the “heat and hatred they generate”. And then he does precisely that. Most of the heat and hatred is generated by him. He never issues one of his “frequent warnings” when there has been a post hostile to Israel or Jews. Just to day he managed to dig up an anti-Jew slur which he seems to think makes his case.

    He seems to honestly believe he is an “objective analyst”. He can’t get out of the habit of thinking every one else is there to accomodate him. He is obsessed with the “rules” and frequently invokes them when they could not possibly apply. He assumes everybody else take the rules as seriously as him. But he seems to think they apply only to everybody else. Not him. Today he has demanded an apology from someone near on behalf of Alison Broinowski. He wants the apology. I think I’ve never seen that before. And oh yes. The paranoia about hidden groups ganging up on him is there in black and white. 

    It’s not impossible this guy might be dangerous. Physically I mean. Probably he’s a harmless crackpot who is hurting nobody except himself. I don’t know. This is not my field. However for my part I intend to ignore him from now on. But it might be a good idea to keep a wary eye on him.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 17 at 04:15 AM • permalink

  96. Geoff, I’ve been ignoring Bob for aaaaages - ever since I saw him post approvingly of Damian “Tinfoil Hat” Lataan.  Damian is stone-cold certifiable barking mad, and when anyone (such as Bob) takes him seriously, a little warning bell goes off for me.

    Though when I ignore someone, I tend not to announce it - if they want to bark at the moon and get no response, then so be it.

    Posted by ekb87 on 2005 10 17 at 07:52 AM • permalink

  97. Thanks ekb87. Sound advice.

    Talking about barking at the moon, by coincidence the full moon was at its fullest precisely eleven minutes ago.

    Which might explain a lot of what’s been going on at WD today.

    Posted by geoff on 2005 10 17 at 08:25 AM • permalink

  98. Geoff,

    Bob Wall over at Webdiary reminds me of the hitch hiker guy in the movie Something about Mary. You tell him something that doesn’t fit with his worldview and he’ll start twitching and getting all aggressive.
    At least Bob is a little more reserved than Wayne Sanderson. Sando would have challenged you to a bit of biffo by this stage.

    Posted by Hank Reardon on 2005 10 17 at 08:58 AM • permalink

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