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Cardiff, Wales:

When Cardiff University pulped its student newspaper within hours of it printing one of the notorious Danish cartoons, Muslim students knew they were a force to be reckoned with.

South Alabama:

The editor of a student newspaper said the paper will not apologize for reprinting one of the cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that have touched off dozens of protests throughout the Muslim world.

Posted by Tim B. on 03/07/2006 at 10:10 AM
  1. The Welsh are (sadly) like most of the modern Celtic peoples. Obsessed with an imagined history of victimology.

    It makes them gravitate toward far leftist politics and pro-Islamist sympathies.

    Posted by Mike Jericho on 2006 03 07 at 10:15 AM • permalink

  2. Sweet Home Aberystwyth
    Where the dhimmitude grew
    Sweet Home Aberystwyth
    There’s no bloody hope for you

    Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 03 07 at 10:35 AM • permalink

  3. 2: First rate, CA, first rate!

    Posted by paco on 2006 03 07 at 10:43 AM • permalink

  4. And yet more wussies handing over their lunch money to the school bully, but a nice suprise hearing a “shout” for Freedom of Speech from the Southern States (or maybe it’s a Rebel Yell?)

    Posted by Texas Bob on 2006 03 07 at 11:00 AM • permalink

  5. 3. Thanks, Paco. But it hurt, because I celebrate St. David’s Day.

    Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 03 07 at 11:01 AM • permalink

  6. Give ‘em hell, ‘Bama.

    Posted by Monroe Doctrine on 2006 03 07 at 11:07 AM • permalink

  7. It used to be, at the local university, that miscreants would write letters of apology in the student newspaper, as required by the student judicial council, stressing the importance of not discharging fire extinguishers in the dorm hallways, or not talking the the library.  This was by far the best feature of the student paper.

    I said to the assistant librarian, in fact, that I particularly enjoyed the part where you break their spirits, and she just beamed.

    Then one day appeared a letter of apology telling the student council to f*ck off and the librarian to eat dirt, and that was the end of it.

    Now there’s nothing left worth reading in the student paper.

    ``Eat dirt’’ itself is a fine editorial, and I recommend it, for use on the other foot

    Posted by rhhardin on 2006 03 07 at 12:16 PM • permalink

  8. Really well done #2, but aren’t there too many vowels used? ;)

    Posted by Mr. Bingley on 2006 03 07 at 12:18 PM • permalink

  9. Anglo? Cardiff? As above, they’re Celts!

    Posted by timworstall on 2006 03 07 at 12:44 PM • permalink

  10. 8. Thank you, but I guess I’m not a man of consonant sorrow.

    Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 03 07 at 12:48 PM • permalink

  11. Head on over to sda for Canadian style cartoon fun

    Posted by jlc on 2006 03 07 at 12:58 PM • permalink

  12. BTW, Tim, you should provide a permanent link to sda.  Not only is it the best Canadian blog, but also Kate links to you

    Posted by jlc on 2006 03 07 at 01:02 PM • permalink

  13. Well, the Welsh aren’t exactly known to be, well, reckon-able. Centuries under England, most people still recognize Wales because of the Prince of Wales, from the House of Windsor, a German family!

    But the very least, the House of Windsor has English, Scottish, even Irish blood. But Welsh? Beh.

    Posted by Rajan R on 2006 03 07 at 01:09 PM • permalink

  14. Tim Worstall: Well, if you’re going to be that picky, there probably be more Celts in England itself than Anglos…

    Posted by Rajan R on 2006 03 07 at 01:10 PM • permalink

  15. As above, they’re Celts!

    And now, llefty llackeys of llackwit Isllamist llosers.

    Posted by Paul Zrimsek on 2006 03 07 at 01:53 PM • permalink

  16. New Republic

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 07 at 02:00 PM • permalink

  17. Why did they pulp the newspaper when they could’ve had a nice book-burning instead?

    Posted by Gun Crazy (dir. Joseph H. Lewis) on 2006 03 07 at 02:09 PM • permalink

  18. Alabamans (and all good American Southerners) are really just Celts in culture, if not in blood.

    Posted by RebeccaH on 2006 03 07 at 02:22 PM • permalink

  19. In soccer that’s called an “own goal.” Like the way the Welsh demanded a referendum to gain independence from England, then voted against it.
    score: Alabama 1, Islam 1, Wales 0.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 03 07 at 02:41 PM • permalink

  20. I’ve et Welsh Rabbit, but never Welsh Chicken…

    Posted by ushie on 2006 03 07 at 03:22 PM • permalink

  21. I agree with #18.
    The Irish-Scots in the US must not be “modern Celtic peoples” because here we are obsessed with an imagined history of kicking ass on a regular basis.
    (Granted we lost to the English & Romans.  But if you have to lose, lose to #1.)

    Posted by EvilDave on 2006 03 07 at 03:47 PM • permalink

  22. In the island nation of Brooklyn off the moonbat muck of New Yuk, to “welsh” is a verb which means to refuse to meet your sacred obligations, like “welshing” on a bet. I always wondered where that word came form. Now I know.

    Posted by stats on 2006 03 07 at 04:07 PM • permalink

  23. The Welsh are to the UK what Latham is to Australia.

    I lived in the UK for 7 years. On arrival I probably held some Braveheart type notions of “poor Welsh/nasty English”. Anyway, whatever I thought on arrival, by the time I left I had zero sympathy for the Welsh/Irish/Scots who, without the English, would have died of starvation and boredom years ago. You have never met a larger group of winey, moaning gits in your life.... unless you’ve attended some lefty meeting recently. Note that the Welsh are presently spending the English “sorry money” (English taxes given to the Welsh to spend on road signs in Welsh, advertising for Wales, etc) to purchase advertising in Australian newspapers so we too can visit Wales and be hungry and bored like they are.... not to mention cold.

    Posted by Karl Fidel Adams-Kingston on 2006 03 07 at 04:08 PM • permalink

  24. Are these the same Welsh who gloriously sang “Men of Harlech” as the Zulus approached chanting at Rorke’s Drift ?

    Well at least they did in the film Zulu.

    Posted by Francis H on 2006 03 07 at 04:51 PM • permalink

  25. Francis H—They had British officers who wouldn’t let them leave.

    Karl _ Ya gotta remember:

    95% of Irish History (likewise Scots; I’m not sure the Welsh have history) ends with the words “...and then he was betrayed by...”; this covers everybody from Finn MacCool through the Men of ‘98 to Michael Collins.

    3% of Irish History (etc.) ends with “...and then his success went to his head and turned his brains to shite...” This covers everyone from the bards and Conn of the Hundred Battles to the Kennedies to Michael Flatley.

    2% of Irish History (etc.) ends with “...and then he made something of himself but he had to leave Ireland (etc.) to do it,” which covers the likes of Shaw, Wellington and every Mick in America’s great-grandad.

    Once you understand that, the Celtic peoples make perfect sense…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 07 at 04:52 PM • permalink

  26. Brave Alabama, Long Live Dixie. The only reamining Bastion of common sense, true liberalism, and unwavering felicty in which all religions (except Mus-liars) and races (except in New Ogleans, where Black fascism reigns)play a leading role. Southerners, ignore the bleatings of Mass. Traitors and Drowners of little girls in cars off bridges, and the ignorant wise cracks from the slime pits around the earth. Be yourselves!!!!

    Posted by stats on 2006 03 07 at 05:19 PM • permalink

  27. Great comments. Love “Sweet Home Aberystwyth.”

    Of course there are lots of Celts in Australia, Canada and the U.S. (especially in the South). Interesting to see how differently they have turned out.

    Wales and Scotland are indeed full of whiners obsessed with victimhood, much to my embarassment and dismay. Wasn’t always the case, and there’s no reason to impugn the memory of the heroes of Roarke’s Drift.

    Regarding the conquest of the Romans, let’s not give them too much credit. They never conquered Scotland.

    Q: Do you know what happened to the Ninth Legion?

    A: Noboby knows what happened to the Ninth Legion.

    Posted by Idler on 2006 03 07 at 05:20 PM • permalink

  28. March ye men of Harlech bold, Unfurl your banners in the fields of mist.
    Be brave as were your sires of old, And like them never yield except to the ISLAMIST.
    What tho’ evry hill and dale, Echoes now with Allah’s calls,
    Celtic hearts now tremble with fear, When mohamet bloodcurdling calls to arm its trojan horses!
    True glory can the Cymru move,
    And as each blade gleams in the light,
    Do not forsake thee my Snowdon , to the dark invader we must now take the fight!

    Posted by davo on 2006 03 07 at 05:21 PM • permalink

  29. Baa Baa multicultural sheep,
    Have you any funding?
    Yes mam, yes sir, 13 bags full.

    One for the politically correct master,
    And one for the “not fat” boy
    who lives down the lane.

    Baa Baa Black Sheep rhyme.
    England: don’t you love the new regime?

    Posted by 1.618 on 2006 03 07 at 05:25 PM • permalink

  30. When the BBC decides to get rid of the Uk Theme tune they can play this one instead...........and for BBC World service instead of Lilibullero

    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus going on before.
    Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
    Forward into battle see His banners go!

    Refrain

    Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
    With the cross of Jesus going on before.

    At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
    On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
    Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
    Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

    Refrain

    Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
    Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
    We are not divided, all one body we,
    One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

    Refrain

    What the saints established that I hold for true.
    What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
    Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
    Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

    Refrain

    Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
    But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
    Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
    We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

    Refrain

    Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
    Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
    Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
    This through countless ages men and angels sing.

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 07 at 05:30 PM • permalink

  31. Funny how the Celtic Ray/Dixie “connection” is posted on the day Van Morrison’s “Pay the Devil” is released. Got it at lunchtime.

    Bryn Terfel was a good Falstaff last October at the Met. Not all sheep ranchers are overrated losers.

    Posted by chinesearithmetic on 2006 03 07 at 05:31 PM • permalink

  32. Francis H—They had British officers who wouldn’t let them leave.

    English perhaps....but “British” is confusing since it includes Wales and Scotland and in 1879 Ireland.

    I think it was the Zulus who wouldn’t let them leave......and Rorke’s Drift was good soldiering

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 07 at 05:33 PM • permalink

  33. The Welsh are basically a self-neutered people. They lost their autonomy to England (which was probably the best thing that ever happened to them) and for that they have themselves to blame. How many Welsh princedoms were there? A billion?

    The Anglo-Saxons weren’t better fighters. They were just smarter. They saw the power in finding common-ground unity. As soon as the Saxon Heptarchy became one cohesive kingdom, the British Isles were theirs to dominate.

    Like most losers of hard-fought contests, the Celts resent their victory.

    Yet they didn’t learn a thing from it. Centuries later, they are still trying to divide the tiny island up into a dozen nations. Pathetic.

    Posted by Mike Jericho on 2006 03 07 at 05:44 PM • permalink

  34. Speaking of Wales, I heard it described as being to England as Tasmania is to mainland Aus.

    I did spend a day driving through the mountains there once, and it was glorious countryside, but my guide hated the country with a passion. He’d been a teacher in a little village, and after 10 years there, he was still considered an outsider.

    As he said, even the sheep are ugly in Wales.

    Mind you, I love the Welsh accent. It rivals the Scots brogue as my favourite.

    Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2006 03 07 at 05:52 PM • permalink

  35. Much of the rural people of Ohio, the mountain states, and the south are from Welsh and Scottish ancestry.  Their drawl, especially that of the insulated mountainous folk, has been said to most closely approximate the mode of speech of the Welsh and Scots of the 18th century.

    You will never find a nicer, friendlier, and more hospitable group of people in the US.  Go to their home and they will treat you to a breakfast of bacon, eggs, sausages, white flour gravy, homemade biscuits, and, of course, fried apples.  Stay for dinner and you might get some pinto beans with jowl bacon, fried potatoes, pickled corn, unsweetened cornbread, and the obligatory slice of onion.  Yum.

    But challenge their honor and they will give you a terrible fight.  Obviously their brethen in the old country haven’t kept to their traditions in that respect.

    Posted by wronwright on 2006 03 07 at 05:52 PM • permalink

  36. #29—“Baa baa multicultural sheep” is closer to reality than you may think:

    Traditional nursery rhymes are being rewritten at nursery schools to avoid causing offence to children.

    Instead of singing “Baa baa, black sheep” as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”.

    Posted by Evil Pundit on 2006 03 07 at 05:58 PM • permalink

  37. Sanitisation of anything that might be considered offensive to Muslims is the eternal flavour of the month in england and Wales.
    Not the the Brits have renamed such items as “the Jew’s Harp” or the aussies the “Jewfish” but the names of pubs such as “the saracens heads” “piggy banks’ etc all have had to go. and the Enid Blighton “gollywog” -well that is now a offence to be jailed for.
    And in europe well, crosses removed from church hspitals. charity organisations lambasted for serving pork stew to the homeless on cold winter nights, the calls for the banning of Dante in Italian schools, because he wrote some mean things about Muhammad -the list goes on and on.

    And Shakespeare too! How offensive to muslims are is words in othello?
    “Where a malignant and a turbaned Turk,
    Beat a Venetian and traduced the state,
    I took by the throat the circumcised dog
    And smote him – thus”
    Should we rewrite all of Shakespeare and submit the results to the Islamic councils for approval?
    The cartoons are just another ITEM ON THE LIST -for goodness sake.
    The problems are global and are about the demonisation of western culture.

    Posted by davo on 2006 03 07 at 06:26 PM • permalink

  38. # 37

    I miss golliwogs. In Noddy they were mischievous, childish characters.

    I still have one, but you have to call him by name (it’s on his label).

    Posted by kae on 2006 03 07 at 06:43 PM • permalink

  39. #30 Lilibullero is viciously anti-Catholic satire. I am officially offended and expect the World Service will discontinue its use immediately.

    Posted by Andrew R on 2006 03 07 at 06:59 PM • permalink

  40. In fact I’ll consult Phillip Adams on how Catholics arrange fatwas.

    Posted by Andrew R on 2006 03 07 at 07:02 PM • permalink

  41. Heh. I’ve not been to Wales (I’d love to though), but by all accounts the comparison to Tasmania is a fair one. As a state, Tasmania relies on the largesse of the mainland, and we rely pretty heavily on mainland tourism as well.

    So come visit, just don’t hang around. Some of the most hated people are mainland seachangers.... driving up house prices, running in local council elections..... grrr.

    Also, the state is divided into three or four very different parts. Even though somone might live an hours drive away, they might as well come from another state. Stupid Hobartians.

    Posted by Tasman on 2006 03 07 at 07:07 PM • permalink

  42. #31 chinesearithmetic

    Not all sheep ranchers are overrated losers.

    Consider taking up writing as a career.

    I’m dyin’, here.

    Posted by m on 2006 03 07 at 08:03 PM • permalink

  43. Lest we forget, the lyrics are:

    Sweet Home Alabama
    Where the skies are so blue
    Sweet Home Alabama
    Lord, I’m coming home to you

    Posted by m on 2006 03 07 at 08:24 PM • permalink

  44. wronwright—Sounds like Filipinos.  Charming, gracious, hospitable people.  Piss them off and they’ll kill you in an eyeblink, and then go right back to being charming, gracious, hospitable people…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 07 at 08:27 PM • permalink

  45. As an aside, I think we are seeing the actions of a Welsh univeristy as far more representative of wider Welsh society than they are. Australian unis do crazy stuff all the time too…

    Posted by Tasman on 2006 03 07 at 09:30 PM • permalink

  46. I’m one of those Scots-Irish southerners (pre-Revolutionary Tarheels). My travels over there suggest we’re lots different from those who stayed behind.

    One of my all-time favorite books and movies is How Green Was My Valley. The Welch depicted there, despite living the very difficult lives of turn of the century farmers-cum-coalminers, weren’t victims. They were people deserving of admiration and respect.

    When Julie Andrews and Richard Burton were signed to do Camelot, Andrews was asked if Burton could even sing. She said “Well, I should think so. He’s Welch.” And he could, too.

    Posted by Kyda Sylvester on 2006 03 07 at 09:38 PM • permalink

  47. There’s a rather pithy article on news.com.au today. Click here to read it.

    Article begins with:

    The publication of the Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Mohammed was considered insulting by Muslims and, notwithstanding freedom of expression, the argument was put by many in the West that the cartoons were culturally offensive and should never have been published.
    Witness the way nuns and priests are vilified and mocked in Sydney’s gay and lesbian Mardi Gras and the offensive nature of so-called artworks such as Piss Christ and it quickly becomes apparent that moral outrage is sometimes selective.
    Posted by Mr Snuffalupagus on 2006 03 07 at 09:43 PM • permalink

  48. great aricle by kevin. thanks for that link Mr Snuff.
    It is frightening indeed that this crap is being taught to our kids!
    cultural relativism used to preach that all cultures are equal.
    now it preaches that all cultures are superior to our own westerm values.
    The first steps to the road to perdition are being taken by our own educationalists it seems.
    50% of the world’s evils are created by religion
    the other 50% are created by the absence of religion.

    Posted by davo on 2006 03 07 at 10:09 PM • permalink

  49. @36: That was my version of what I think of the new version of

    Baa baa Halal sheep
    Have you any wine?
    Yes shake no shakes
    Chocolates shakes full.

    Actress Brigitte Bardot, an animal rights activist, criticized Muslim ritual slaughter and was fined 10,000 francs for the offense.

    Censorship envy don’t you just love it!

    Posted by 1.618 on 2006 03 07 at 11:13 PM • permalink

  50. Don’t upset the Welsh or they’ll use their Llap-Goch on you.

    Posted by Good Face on 2006 03 07 at 11:31 PM • permalink

  51. The Marcher Lords subdued Wales hundreds of years ago, they are essentially English in attitude and custom.  While the Border Reivers ended up in Ulster, the US, Canada and Australia.  Something along the lines of not being able to get along with the other children in the neighborhood. It’s interesting and depressing to see which countries are willing to resist any kind of totalitarian or communal pressure to behave and which just simply go along.

    Posted by Pat Patterson on 2006 03 08 at 12:14 AM • permalink

  52. Good Face — Llap Goch… I think I paid twenty bucks for one of those at the Peppermint Rhino, once…

    Posted by richard mcenroe on 2006 03 08 at 12:39 AM • permalink

  53. #22

    http://www.wordorigins.org/

    Welch
    Welch is an archaic form of Welsh, one that pretty much survives only in the sense meaning someone who does not fulfill a bet. This usage dates to around 1857. The origin is obscure, but it undoubtedly originated as an ethnic slur. The term may derive from an old nursery rhyme that included the words “Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief.”

    Posted by Good Face on 2006 03 08 at 01:09 AM • permalink

  54. All this appeasement, it is a heavy price to pay for a few Kebabs.  I will now eat pork with my Lebanese bread.

    Posted by Howzat on 2006 03 08 at 02:03 AM • permalink

  55. #.39 It has, and it is wrong to do so.

    The Welsh are basically a self-neutered people. They lost their autonomy to England

    Blame Henry Bolingbroke for winning the Battle of Bosworth Field

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 08 at 04:18 AM • permalink

  56. Sorry....Henry Tudor

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 08 at 04:21 AM • permalink

  57. #55 It uses it much less, not every hour, but I’m certain I’ve heard it recently (but then given I was listening to an overnight broadcast, I could have been dreaming). It might have been some interim solution, trying to avoid the headline that they’re doing away with it, gaining the headline they’re considering it, waiting until people forget it ever was the signature tune.

    Posted by Andrew R on 2006 03 08 at 05:03 AM • permalink

  58. I could have been dreaming

    More likely.....but to dream of Lilibullero.....that is something !

    Posted by Voyager on 2006 03 08 at 06:32 AM • permalink

  59. Its interesting to see a Sydney Anglican analysis of the Motoon fiasco.

    I like this bit
    “To me there is no question. We Christians should make common cause with Western secularism. When the Nazis invaded Soviet Union, Churchill defended his support of the communist Soviet Union saying, “If Hitler invaded Hell I would at least make a favourable reference of the Devil in the House of Commons”. Churchill recognised the greater danger. So should we.”

    Posted by AndrewM on 2006 03 08 at 07:07 AM • permalink

  60. The Wrinkly and Dirty Report gets stuck into the Christians again with the “CAMBERWELL TRINITY ELDERS CULT”, a litany of emotional abuse by INFLUENTIAL doctors and others with high society link
    s. “The group which clains to walk in the Light has been exposed...”
    Next week the dreaded dead boring Clarke and Dawe return to reinvent and recycle all the anti Howard, pro illegal immigrant,feeble and wince making stereotypical sludge..dragging the viewers down to their level.

    Posted by crash on 2006 03 08 at 08:04 AM • permalink

  61. #26, Stats.

    Not quite right.  Being a former resident of that state I remember quite clearly during the 1970’s when the Alabama State Legislature passed a motion supporting the Kingdom of Saudi Arabi when it publically beheaded a 15 year old girl who had run away with her boyfriend to the beach.

    It was the only one of the 50 States to do so.

    Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2006 03 08 at 03:43 PM • permalink

  62. #45

    I think we are seeing the actions of a Welsh univeristy as far more representative of wider Welsh society than they are.

    a good point. but the fact is that there is more appeasement in Britain than in the South. People have to be accountable for their actions either way. Personally, I take my hat off to the Welsh for even printing them. The student paper probably got overruled by some coward in a position of authority.
    btw I fixed the italics as a public service.

    Posted by daddy dave on 2006 03 08 at 11:10 PM • permalink

  63. AndrewM 59
    I like that bit too.

    Posted by Stoop Davy Dave on 2006 03 09 at 06:01 PM • permalink

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