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Labor leader Kevin Rudd was complaining only the other day that Australian Talitubby David Hicks could not expect a fair trial. Pixie’s mentioned Hicksy quite often in recent months; but after Hicks pleaded guilty yesterday, Rudd issued one of the wordiest no-comments you’ll ever read:
Mr Rudd said there were at least three or four stages of the legal process to go before the sentence was handed down.
"One is the stipulation of the facts. The second, the determination of any sentence and if it’s any custodial sentence,” Mr Rudd told ABC Radio.
"Third, the question of appeal rights which exist under the relevant US statute and before the US Supreme Court, and finally the whole question of if a custodial sentence is imposed and the operation of the International Prisoner Transfer Act as it operates under Australian domestic law.
"We are, therefore, now in the midst of this quite complex legal process and for those sorts of reasons we ourselves are reluctant to comment,” he said.
Chicken Kevin – it’s our version of Chicken Kiev. Other Hicks advocates indicated their sadness:
Anti-war protesters in orange jump suits marching in Brisbane’s city centre Tuesday were stunned by the news of David Hicks’ guilty plea … There was a palpable air of disappointment among those who had campaigned to bring Hicks home.
Foreign minister Alexander Downer seems to have been checking out lefty blogs, judging by this observation:
Downer has told 2GB’s Alan Jones the guilty plea has silenced misguided supporters of Hicks …
They’re possibly still trying to cope with the fact their little al-Qaeda pal has evidently been feasting on al-Quarter Pounders:
He’s small and overweight. Chubby to some observers, “puffy” to his father, Terry.
Descriptions of hollowed cheeks, sunken eyes, despair and suicidal thoughts have been floated out by his legal team in recent months, but Hicks looked nothing of the sort.
Alan Grey predicted this in February: “If other [Gitmo] prisoners are used as an example, then he has probably gained weight.” Spot on, Al. If he keeps piling it on at his next home, Hicks’ll soon have company even when he’s in solitary:
The U.S. military will seek a jail sentence of less than 20 years for Australian David Hicks … “Other similar cases have been a sentence of 20 years and we will take into account the five years he has been in custody and his early guilty plea,” Air Force Colonel Morris Davis told Australian Broadcasting Corp. radio today.
Following Dave’s relocation, Canada’s Omar Khadr is the only Westerner left at Gitmo. More burgers for him, eh! Naturally, the Age’s Ron Tanderg suspects a Howard plot; more rational takes are available from the Australian, Luke McIlveen, and Jules Crittenden, who deals with the Koslings:
Daily Kos observes that “pleading guilty is the best option when the deck is completely stacked against you.” Could be. And dying is the best option when a bomb goes off in your nightclub! What was that guy doing scoping out embassies, learning kidnapping and assassination techniques, anyway? Just curious.
Not much warmth in Dave’s old home town from this young Adelaide woman:
my blog for today is kill david hicks and his bloody dad too! Thnku
Whoa! Better balance that with a pro-Dave view:
As an active protester in the streets of Sydney to bring David Hicks home, I can tell you that the matter of his innocence or guilt was never my reason for marching. If he is guilty, I believe that he should be punished to the full extent of Australian law and he should serve his time. But his guilt must be proved through a fair trial, in Australia, where I have faith that the premise of innocent until guilty rings true. This, I believe, is not the case in the USA ...
Hmmm … do we detect the loamy scent of a Truther? Indeed we do:
Bush has enough against him to be impeached and charged with war crimes. Howard lies through his teeth at every possible opportunity and is the number one spin doctor. Exhibit A- weapons of mass destruction. And then delve a little deeper and do your research. Heard of WTC #7? That was the 3rd building to come down on Sept 11. Have a look …
Let me guess; did fatso Hicks sit on it?
All in all, today’s been a shit sandwich for KRudd.
The baldy Oiler took a pasting in Question Time today when he asked a question of Malcolm Turbull he thought would be embarrassing. It was. For him. Turnbull demolished Garrett amid howls of laughter.
(The question was about the $4000 solar rebate - Garrett thought it was a new initiative of Labor’s while the government have had it in operation for years). So much for the walking cadaver doing his homework!
But where Ruddles really came unstuck was when he committed Labor to reducing Australia’s CO2 emissions by 60% by 2050.
If ever there was a ready-made baseball bat for Howard to beat him around the skull, right up to the election, this is it.
Because Howard is going to demand to see Rudd’s POLICY on this, it’s impact on jobs, exports, whole communities and industries.
Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and I think Ruddles might have just given Howard an early Chrissy pressie.
Hopefully our new best buddy will knock back an icy cold Fresca and join in with some succinct commentary.
I, as an American, am truly sorry about this. I am sorry that he was captured. I am sorry that David Hicks was taken into US custody. I am sorry that he has languished in prison at Guantanamo Bay. But mostly, I am sorry that he didn’t receive the justly deserved 5 or 6 rounds of 5.56 to the upper torso when they found the bastard.
Hicks deserves a Doc Martin to the sternum/nut sack, and two 9 mm rounds to the forehead.
Hopefully he’ll get life as a minimum.
Posted by deadparrot on 2007 03 28 at 06:22 AM • permalink#9
From my understanding of the procedure Fat Dave has to front the tribunal and convince them he is pleading guilty because he is guilty and for no other reason - not, for example, so he can just get the hell out of Gitmo. And his legal team are duty bound to advise him not to perjure himself by lying about his guilt or otherwise. Furthermore he must detail exactly what he has been up to before any guilty plea will be accepted. Should make for interesting reading if nothing else.
from today’s RN world today
ELEANOR HALL: ...But in the United States, the Bush administration has been strangely silent about the Hicks case.
not a word about the deafening silence from the Labor party who’ve been banging the Hicks drum for years for political advantage.
that’s strange too isn’t it Eleanor?
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 28 at 06:31 AM • permalink#3 I saw question today and I’m still chuckling- did you notice the seat next to Garrett was suddenly empty after that performance and the poor little bloodnut was stranded all alone at the end of the bench as if he’d just dropped a toxic vege fart
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 28 at 06:36 AM • permalink#3 I saw question time today and I’m still chuckling- did you notice the seat next to Garrett was suddenly empty after that performance and the poor little bloodnut was stranded all alone at the end of the bench as if he’d just dropped a toxic vege fart
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 28 at 06:37 AM • permalinkI bet the lefties are annoyed that, unlike some of their other perverted (yet fashionably gaunt) heroes, an image of a bloated, beardless Hicks wont look good on a t-shirt. It will be so much harder to pick up gullible hippy chicks with a long-haired Jabba the Hut lookalike on your shirt.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 03 28 at 06:38 AM • permalinkGarrett didn’t know the cap on his solar rebate policy was $4000. Simple stuff. He’s an idiot, a featherweight.
Posted by boxofmatches on 2007 03 28 at 06:49 AM • permalinkThe baldy eco-parrot made a complete and utter fool of himself in Question Time today.
I was listening in for the bleats from the Usual Suspects about about Mo Dawood’s “guilty” plea, but Garrett’s faux pas was priceless.Much chortling and frivolity from the Honourable Members, and not just from the Liberal side of the chamber, either.
You could hear the sound of KRuddy’s teeth grinding over the general hilarity.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 03 28 at 06:53 AM • permalinkMissed QT today but I got a good laugh out of Garrett this morning when he said it was Labor “policy” to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 60 per cent by 2050. Made Hawkie’s “by 1990 no child will be living in poverty” line look rational by comparison. Don’t say these blokes don’t want to be accountable; noooo, they’re COMMITTED to a 43 years in-the-making “policy”! (But they want out of Iraq by next March because, well, the surge will take too long to work). Forty-three years. That would be like today’s US Democrats following through manfully on Jack kennedy’s desire to pay any price and bear any burden for the success and survival of liberty (fat chance). Or today’s ALP deciding to honour Arthur Callwell’s committment to maintaining the White Australia Policy. Does anyone seriously believe this AGW hoax will be front and centre of political discourse in TEN years, let alone half a freaking century?
#7 - Texas Bob, as an Australian, I accept your apology. Next time you guys find another Hicks type on the battlefield or wherever, extract whatever information you can by whatever means on the spot, and then double-tap the traitorous dog/s. And just to make sure, drive a tank over the fucker/s a couple of times.
Stop. Taking. Fucking. Prisoners.
RE: the solar scheme. I didn’t catch Question Time but I read the press release on the ALP RSS feed this morning.
The only impression you could get from it was that it was a new scheme. Petey should have done his homework.
Posted by Villeurbanne on 2007 03 28 at 07:00 AM • permalinkKrudd is waiting for his pollsters to return with an acceptable opinion.
If he jumps in and says the guilty plea was an escape from hell, he is attacking the US and its legal system. While a short term vote winner among the locked-in lefties, it would seriously erode his claim that the alliance is safe. If he acknowledges Hicks is guilty, he is admitting Howard was right all along, which is hardly a vote winner.
Expect he will be told that the best he could hope for is that Hicks will be forgotten in a few weeks. He will be told to utter some meaningless words, urge that Hicks be flown home immediately and tut-tut at the Howard Government. His ego might tempt him to suggest that it would never have ended if not for him talking to Cheney. He will then distract the journalists by pointing to something on the wall behind them, then vanish.
"Does this Orange Jumpsuit make my arse look big?”
No! but all the fried Chicken you’re scoffing doesn’t help.
Posted by deadparrot on 2007 03 28 at 07:18 AM • permalinkThis one looks more like your Osama tali-tubby.
Can anyone out there make us a Dawood?
Posted by Margos Maid on 2007 03 28 at 07:19 AM • permalink#3
KRudd from RN today:
KEVIN RUDD: Sir Nicholas Stern has recommended that we reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 60 per cent by 2050. That’s Labor policy. It’s not the Government’s policy.
Can’t wait for his policy detail and costings on this one. Should astonish and upset a lot of people (26,000 coal industry workers for a start).
Having watched the performances of the smirking, bespectacled know-all and his cadaverous know-nothing environment spokesman I am going to start backing the Coalition to win the next election and take prices above $2 when they’re available (such as now at Betfair). As we move closer to the election the Coalition’s price will drop back below $2 giving me the chance to make money regardless of the outcome.
Rudd has a problem, which Tim points out here - he just talks too bloody much and comes across as being too smart by half. That pisses us off.
Garrett has a problem, too - he’s too frigging lazy to do the hard yards required; not a good trait when you’re already as thick as a crowd of Loewensteins.
Posted by Jack Lacton on 2007 03 28 at 07:33 AM • permalinkthick as a crowd of Loewensteins
totally and completely impervious, I get it.
3. incapable of being influenced, persuaded, or affected: impervious to reason; impervious to another’s suffering.#28
If he jumps in and says the guilty plea was an escape from hell, he is attacking the US and its legal system.
He’s already done that:
CHRIS UHLMANN: Do you have any view, though, on the guilty plea?
KEVIN RUDD: On the question of that, that’s a matter for Mr Hicks and his lawyers, in the midst of what has been, from the outset, an unfair trial process.
KEVIN RUDD: Sir Nicholas Stern has recommended that we reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 60 per cent by 2050. That’s Labor policy. It’s not the Government’s policy.
#33, that’s going to be damn hard for the ALP to achieve when they’re also opposed to nuclear power!
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 03 28 at 07:45 AM • permalinkIt’s Cool Policy to Have No Dams, No Water, No CO2, No Solar Fluctuations, No Future Fund, No US Alliance, No Law & Order (unless it’s bashing those who fail to toe the Party Line),No Coherent Position on Illegal Immigration, No Industrial Stability, No Industry After 2050, No Certainty About Anything Much.
I think the US could be a world leader in PoMo war-waging. In order to make up for races policies in Asia that have been reduced to “kill the little brown men” for so long, we’ll just shoot any enemy combatants who appear to be caucasian summarily.
They’ve no strategic value, being traitors or camp followers anyhow. ‘Tis easier to pay off tne deceased’s family than deal with the defendant’s lawyers.Wow. The worst part of being a cynic is that sinking feeling I’ve been too optimistic all along.
KEVIN RUDD: Sir Nicholas Stern has recommended that we reduce our greenhouse gas emissions by 60 per cent by 2050. That’s Labor policy. It’s not the Government’s policy.
So the ALP now takes orders from an unelected official who lives 12,000 miles away. ANd they have a problem with a Constitutional Monarchy?
So the ALP now takes orders from an unelected official who lives 12,000 miles away. ANd they have a problem with a Constitutional Monarchy?
The ALP have a problem with anyone that believes in a sustainable ordered society. Good old labor, the tax’n’spend party, now with 15 percent gst, coming soon to a federal election near you.
Posted by surfmaster on 2007 03 28 at 08:24 AM • permalink"Third, the question of appeal rights which exist under the relevant US statute and before the US Supreme Court..."
OK, I’m not a lawyer, and I know that Rudd was groping for something to say, but this sounds REALLY stupid.
Hicks pleaded guilty. He wasn’t convicted. Ergo, there is no appeal process open to him, and he goes home as a convict. Unless there are some bizarre twists that I, as a non-lawyer, have failed to catch.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 28 at 09:33 AM • permalinkThe public trial of David Hicks (abridged version)
Judge - “How does the defendant plead?”
Hicks - “Guilty, your honour”.
Peanut gallery - “No you’re not. He’s lying your honour, he’s not guilty!”
Hicks - “Yes I am”.
Peanut gallery (in unison) - “No you’re not”.
Hicks - “Yes I am I tell you”.
Peanut gallery - “You can’t be, you’re innocent we tell you. You can’t plead guilty now - it derails our whole plan to eject a Fascist government”.
Hicks - “What? Fascists? Are the Taliban back in power?”
Peanut gallery - “No you idiot. HoWARd and his cronies”.
Hicks - “Well I don’t give a fuck. I’m pleading guilty and that’s that. I’m sick of these fucking lawyers coming around each day and wanting to talk about this and that. Bunch of stuck up so and so’s. They want to save the world. If I’d met them in the ‘Ghan, I would have filled them all full of lead. Useless blood-sucking bastards. Half of them are Jews. The other day, they came during dessert and I missed out on the icecream. Fuck ‘em. I’ve had enough. Missing out on icecream was torture”.
Peanut gallery - “You heard him - he’s been tortured! This trial is a travesty. We demand justice!”
Hicks (to judge) - “Can we get on with this please, sir? These clowns are getting on my nerves, and none of them look like they’re going to flash their tits. In fact if any of them do, I’ll have to pull my hair over my face. God, I’ve been dreaming about women for five years, and these are the first ones I see. It’s bloody torture having to look at them”.
Peanut gallery (screaming) - “Torture! He’s been tortured! Murderers!”
Judge - “How many years do you want?”
Hicks - “Twenty should be a nice holiday away from this lot. Can I please have a double helping of chocolate icecream tonight?”
Posted by mr creosote on 2007 03 28 at 09:33 AM • permalinkUnfortunately, once you get Hicks in an Australian prison, he’ll still be a cause célèbre for the loony left, like copkiller Mumia is over here. At least until somebody more photogenic comes along. They need banners that say “Free [Pond scum du jour]!” for their protest marches, and Hicks for the moment does nicely. Of course, he doesn’t seem like the brightest bulb in the box, so if he opens his mouth, his celebrity status is done for.
As sure as night turns into day, if we get a federal Labor Government, the GST will rise to 15%. Here in Victoria, the grasping, revenue raising style of the Labor Government is only a portent of what is to come for the rest of the country if this lot get the treasury benches. But of course, the global warming crap will be one of the reasons for the increase, or they will repeatedly blame the ‘previous Howard Government’, or trot out some other toss.
#7 Texas Bob. Right on. Slotting that little fat shit with a couple 5.56 rounds would have ended this fiasco along time ago. I believe, not sure though, that he has plans to make money out of this here in Australia. Well, that is if his former buddies don’t get to him first, I don’t like his chances, surely the seeds of suspicion would have been sown by now.Heard of WTC #7? That was the 3rd building to come down on Sept 11. Have a look …
Hey, a Rosie O’Donnell fan!
Posted by Jim Treacher on 2007 03 28 at 10:50 AM • permalinkTalitubby--my sides hurt. He’d better be careful that he doesn’t get caught by his fellow talis with a big red purse.
Posted by tabitharuth on 2007 03 28 at 12:13 PM • permalinkWell, now that this is about over I have a few questions about his military lawyer.
Are JAG officers part of the US military?
Are they subject to the Uniform Code of Military Conduct?I’m not talking about his defense of Hicks, that’s his job and I have no problems with that.
I’m talking about all the lies he spread about this clowns physical condition. In so doing he is calling into question the conduct of his own military. Knowingly false claims.
I think there are terms for someone who denegrates the uniform he wears.
In today’s (Wednesday) Adelaide’s ‘tiser there is a front page plus 4 page spread on Hicks-as-victim. 5 pages!
No doubt there will be a book deal in it for the Hicks boy followed by a movie based on said book. This guy will come out of it a million dollars richer.
Then will follow the argument between Hicks and his dad over dividing up the spoils.
Yes, I’m sure Hicks is eager to come home to “resume a normal life”!BJM
I’m all for the US military closing Gitmo. Gitmo was a compromise that hasn’t worked, or rather, has been taken advantage of by Al-Qaeda and their western propaganda arm, the Western media.
The US needs to go back to the old way of shooting the bastards on the battlefield and burying them in lime.
If they’d done that with Hicks, this whole thing would have been over five years ago; his old man would be a nobody loony.
65, Murph, why bury the bastards? Waste of time and effort. Besides, vultures and other scavengers need to eat too. (This assumes, of course, that these animals do not consider dead fascist meat as too foul.)
38, ArtVandelay. Governments can achieve cutting CO2 emissions by 60%. Its called government created mass poverty, aka socialism. Works every time.
Posted by Mark Razak on 2007 03 28 at 12:50 PM • permalinkUnfortunately, shooting David Hicks would have solved nothing. Instead, he’d be the Martyr Dawood Mahwhatsis, unjustly murdered by the killer imperialist US thugs, and his holy name would be dredged up in every leftist polemic, and a prettied-up picture of his mug would be selling on T-shirts, just like Che.
Incidentally, that’s the reason Che sells so well --- he’s dead, and he can’t show us what a worthless, totalitarian-loving piece of crap he really was.
RebeccaH,
I disagree with you about Che. I believe the reason that he sells so well is that he really was a cold-blooded “revolutionary” killer; that he was Castro’s executioner. Che was the REAL deal. He killed conservatives, among others, without any remorse or second thoughts. Che did what most leftists have always secretly longed to do. He’s popular in the US because merciless radical killers have always mesmerized our well-to-do pampered leftists.
Posted by Mark Razak on 2007 03 28 at 01:54 PM • permalinkAgree with all that have said, there should not have been any prisoners, AFTER their nuts were squeezed in vises. That includes the American little fruit cup John Walker Lindh.
The little piss-ant killer got 20 years, got gang banged in the first Fed Pen and they move him.
Point IS, it is still OUR tax dollar, supporting the little prick (as well as others) and he was probably the one responsible for Johnny Mike Spann’s(CIA) death when the pig holding pen exploded with last minute jihadi action.
Lindh, should have been died ONCE, after the vise tightening contest and riddled with steel jackets at least 3 more times, just for practice.
#58
Please excuse my American ignorance, but when are y’alls next elections? I’m due to spend 6 months in Oz starting in July and I really don’t fancy looking at 15% GST.
Thanks
Posted by TattooedIntellectual on 2007 03 28 at 03:47 PM • permalink#73, Texas Bob:
What you say about Che attraction is true, but only for the snot gobblers. The mouth breeders (the true believers), the ones who decide what the trendy revolutionaries (snot gobblers) will worship fully understand Che.
They understand what he was, what he stood for, how he went about achieving his goals and his suitability as a propaganda face piece.
The snot gobblers worship Che simply because they are told to. Snot gobblers do not think. That is a primary requirement for that particular breed.
yojimbo: In order, here are my answers, such as they are.....
Are JAG officers part of the US military?
Yes. MAJ Mori is a Marine officer.
Are they subject to the Uniform Code of Military Conduct?
Yes.
I’m not talking about his defense of Hicks, that’s his job and I have no problems with that.
I’m talking about all the lies he spread about this clowns physical condition. In so doing he is calling into question the conduct of his own military. Knowingly false claims.
I think there are terms for someone who denegrates the uniform he wears.
Personally, I’ve been troubled by MAJ Mori’s tactics; some of his appearances have gone beyond being a lawyer. Were I his commander, I would have counseled him long ago. But I’m not, and that’s just my opinion.
As to his actionable behavior......I truly don’t know if he’ll be allowed to slide, or held accountable (even if that is viewed as “crushing of dissent”....which it ain’t). Even if Mori is “faking it”, certainly the stigma is there.
But I really don’t know. I will say that I share your views......and look forward to seeing what happens after this fiasco is behind us.
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 28 at 04:59 PM • permalink#48 - If Labor wins national government, what’s to stop the gst going to 15%, 20% or more? As good a reason as any not to have a federal labor government.
In the Australian this morning - it’s going to happen under Labor:
A HIGH-LEVEL report prepared for the Labor premiers has raised the prospect of increasing the GST and lowering income taxes as part of a broader set of measures to overhaul federal-state relations.
Posted by walterplinge on 2007 03 28 at 06:29 PM • permalinkSing song time!!
DAY OH!
THE BANANA BOAT LOADER’S SONG
Okies, know the song...? Don’t spit your coffee onto the screen either! Click your heeels 3 times and think of “beetlejuice”
Hey Mr Talitubby, tali me some banannas
Daylight come and me wanna go home.Six figures, stories interviews, and more?
Daylight come and me wanna go home.Run Mr hicks’ee man, he wants to go home.
Daylight come and me wanna go home.Add more feel free.....
Daylight come and me wanna go home!!!!
Tim, I take objection: Omah Khadr is NOT a Westerner. He happens to have Canadian citizenship but he and all his West hating, Canada hating, familly are roundly scorned by Canadians.
His ignorant mother, while at the same time seeking refuge and return to Canada, at taxpayer’s expense, spewed venom upon Canada and the West.
The Khadrs are an Al Quaeda familly.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 28 at 06:46 PM • permalinkIf he is guilty, I believe that he should be punished to the full extent of Australian law
But therein lies the sneaky strategy of the pro-Hicks movement. Bring him home and charge him with...? What Australian law has Hicks broken?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 28 at 06:50 PM • permalink#31 Margos, excellent :-) Can you do exploding burkhas?
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 28 at 07:09 PM • permalink#60 MarkD, you didn’t complete the round:
An optimist is a cynic who gets out of bed in the morning.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 28 at 07:15 PM • permalink#74 Just a note to the antipodeans: Y’alls is plural. Y’all is singular, as in when I show someone the way to a museum: I hope y’all (you all) have a grat day. You all is me, or you, singular. If it were a busload of toursits going to the museum, then it’s y’alls, because there are more than one of them.
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 28 at 07:23 PM • permalinkOT
What’s the bet on The Mother Country, acceding to demands?
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Iran’s foreign minister backed off a prediction that a detained British servicewoman could be freed Wednesday or Thursday but said Tehran agreed to allow British officials to meet with 15 sailors and marines in Iranian custody.
Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in an interview with the Associated Press that Britain must admit that its sailors entered Iranian waters for the standoff to be resolved.
"First they have to admit that they have made a mistake. Admitting the mistake will facilitate a solution to the problem,” Mottaki said in Riyadh, where he was a guest at a summit of Arab leaders. “But unfortunately the British have not admitted their mistake."
From the SMH:
Alexander Downer, said yesterday the Government had unashamedly “been tough on the Hicks case”. However, it remains unclear how long it will take for Hicks to return. First he and his lawyers have to agree on which of 24 specific allegations that underpinned the charge of providing material support to terrorists he will admit to. (yay)
The Attorney-General, Philip Ruddock, said the process meant that Hicks had no grounds to appeal against his sentence when he returned home, despite suggestions from the South Australian Premier, Mike Rann, to the contrary. (yay)
Mr Ruddock also said international prisoner exchange treaties prevented the Government receiving the prisoner from altering his sentence. This has implications for any attempt by a Rudd Labor government, or the South Australian Government, which will run his prison, to commute his sentence or offer a pardon. (yay)
He also said Hicks would be banned from selling his story, which publicists said yesterday would be worth more than $1 million.(yay)
The Government spent more than $300,000 assisting Hicks, his lawyers and his father. The journey of Terry Hicks and David’s sister Stephanie to Guantanamo Bay was paid by the Department of Foreign Affairs.(boo)
If he keeps piling it on at his next home, Hicks’ll soon have company even when he’s in solitary
Are you implying that Dawood has more djinns than Alladin’s telephone book, Tim? Good.
Posted by andycanuck on 2007 03 28 at 07:43 PM • permalinkFixed your link, El Cid. ;)
Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 2007 03 28 at 07:44 PM • permalinkKEVIN RUDD: On the question of that, that’s a matter for Mr Hicks and his lawyers, in the midst of what has been, from the outset, an unfair trial process.
Has anyone ever heard a question to Rudd: Exactly WHY is it an ‘unfair porcess’, since it follows the International Court procedures and other Commissions in similar situations?He apparently thinks the USA is uniquely and unfair country.. but he also claims to like it…
And Michele Grattan is sure the whole thing is just a ’drive by Howard to get a political result in his favour’
-ie a political trial with Hicks co-operating??? Bizarre stuff.
I wonder what Rudd thinks of the Chinese court system and Chinese justice? What’s the bet he never mentions that subject. The evil US is of course a completely different story.
It’s going to be interesting listening to lefties complain about Hicks being unable to be re-tried when he returns to Australia, in view of the International conventions that exist. Why? This is usually the first group shrilly crying about the UN, International conventions and ‘what will the rest of the world think of us’ when it comes to issues like Tampa.
#93- Under proceeds of crime legislation, the Feds will recoup costs from any revenues gained from Dagwood selling his tale to the eejit meeja. As to him being revered as a new Che’ if he’d been croaked in Afghanistan, I seriously doubt it- who (besides his Graham Kennedy-impersonating ratbag father) would have ever heard of him? I doubt his carcass being picked over by buzzards would have made much mention in the press.
Labor’s seriously fucked up on this one- they took a punt on the trial dragging out until the election, instead they’ve been stuck with going to bat for a self-admitted terrorist. they’re going to have to do some serious electoral arse-kissing to get out of this, and that may well backfire as well- no-one looks good in brown lipstick.
I’m with you Jack, I’m taking all the punts on the coalition over 2s I can get.
So Hicks pleads guilty. I can reveal two other equally shocking and surprising
news itemsPosted by pommygranate on 2007 03 28 at 08:46 PM • permalink#89
Thank you. You would think w/ the looks I get in NZ, that I would remember not to use that phrase :)Posted by TattooedIntellectual on 2007 03 28 at 08:48 PM • permalink#82 walterplinge. Thanks for for the link. I new it. They cannot wait to get their hands on this gold mine. For a traditionally high taxing, high spending regime, with all it fruit loop factions, ideologues and loonies, that are traditionally attracted to Labor governments, this will be mana from heaven or allah. Hell, maybe Stanhope will want a slice of this action to build a statue of Dawood, to stand next to one of Grasby.
Our own little terror tourist pleads guilty. I’ve seen some strange poster boys but the saga of this pissant is more telling of the moral malaise among his misguided supporters.
Aw shucks, he’s just a confused kid who was trying to sort out his identity problems with Osama and the Taliban. Taking up arms against the soldiers of your own country is just a cry for help, right?
His backers are now telling us he was right to betray himself after he betrayed his country but maybe I’m optimistic enough to believe ‘our Hicksy’ had a moment of truth. Welcome home to the truth.
Gerard Yeo, Clint Thompson, Joshua Iliffe, Shane Foley, Adam Howard and David Mavroudis - the names of some of the people indiscriminately murdered by those Hicks wanted to emulate. It’s a sad testiment to the state of our culture that of all these names, Hicks is the most well-known.
Slightly O/T Terry McCrann lets Rudd have it in today’s Herald Sun.
KEVIN Rudd has recommitted a Rudd Labor government to damaging the economy in the short-term and destroying it in the longer-term.
On
SunMoonbatrise this morning a poll on whether or not Hicks should receive monies for any media deals and the like was running 70+% against.After reading that result, Kochie looked liked he was about to have to skol a 44gallon drum of sulphuric diorrhea. Mel looked liked she’d been shagged by a meth addicted buffalo. The tide is turning. You give the average man in the street the facts and he’s not a total dolt*.
*I have no facts to support this absurd claim.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 28 at 09:25 PM • permalink#107 - My Texas dictionary confirms.
“Youse” is similar here in Oz.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 28 at 09:28 PM • permalinkDawoody now has to front the Bench again and explain exactly to what and why for he is pleading.
Is it too much to hope for that he says he’s just pleading to get a one way Jetstar to Yatala?
Then the Court refuses to accept the guilty plea on the basis of coercion and he goes on trial and gets convicted ?
This aint over by a long way yet. Major Mori has got some very very thin ice to skate across before this is over. We’ll see how good a lawyer he is, as opposed to publicist.
#83 - Love your work, 1.618.
But I remember the Banana Boat song this way.Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 28 at 09:41 PM • permalinkRudd is making a big mistake hitching his wagon to Stern. Of all the much-hyped reports on climate change, Stern’s contains the greatest holes and the one most aimed at destroying the Australian economy.
As for Hicks, he might yet come out of this looking good. He has had a long time to think about things in Guantanamo Bay, such as how his father, who initially called him a terrorist, has lived the high life on the back of his incarceration. He might wonder how people who would normally have treated him like dirt are his “best” friends. There’s the raving queer, Bob Brown, the spoilt princess Natasha Stott-Despoja, the wine and arts snobs of the Age and SMH, the anti-working class arseholes of the ABC and the rich brats of 60 Minutes. They have all used him but none of them really wants to befriend him (except for Bob, maybe).
#107 I tend to use y’alls as a possessive noun. Y’all is plural in a sense, and all y’all tends to cover situations when you’ve got multiple groups of y’all and they’re moving on to different things.
Examples:
How are y’all? Addressing more than one person.Is that y’alls car? Multiple people standing at a car--inquiring about ownership.
Where are all y’all headed? Multiple groups splitting up to participate in different activities.
There’s a quick guide to Southern slang.
Posted by TattooedIntellectual on 2007 03 28 at 09:51 PM • permalinkWell fuck you lot, I’m back off to Uncle Ho Ho Ho’s town for another few months, with a side trip to Mongolia (6th and probably last).
Average ground level in Mongolia is 1500 m - well above most extreme sea level rise estimates.
jlc inc has lake/mountain/desert/yak/vodka front properties available at laughably low prices.
Our desert properties may overlie copper/gold/nickel deposits.
Buy or drown. Your choice
Posted by Jack from Montreal on 2007 03 28 at 10:04 PM • permalinkHi Tim...loved the comment in the article from link to the canadian still in gitmo
“The agreement to transfer Hicks back to Australia to serve his sentence shows what happens when a country goes to bat for one of its own citizens,” Vokey said in an e-mail interview. “The question for Omar Khadr remains: What will Canada do to protect its own citizen in Guantanamo?”
Now what was that, that the Hicks fan club was saying about Howard again ...lol
Buy or drown. Your choice
There’s a third choice, Jack.....you can give us the land for free.
Hey, gotta use them up, or they’ll get wet!
;-P
Posted by The_Real_JeffS on 2007 03 28 at 10:40 PM • permalinkI would have thought British soldiers get plenty of respect by cruising around in tanks and helicopters and carrying lots of assorted weaponry.
But, hey, hearts and minds, I suppose.
Old jungle saying:
“If you’ve got them by the balls,
Their hearts and minds will follow"Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 03 28 at 10:41 PM • permalinkDammit Tim, I want a thread on the last episode of BSG.
I know y’all watch, just admit it!
Posted by joe bagadonuts on 2007 03 28 at 10:52 PM • permalink#123 joe bagadonuts
Yeah, are they all cylons?
Is jimmy hendrix a cylon?
Why ‘all along the watchtower’?
Was Starbuck a vision or for real?
Is Baltar the messiah or just a very naughty boy?
so many questions need answersPosted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 28 at 11:20 PM • permalink#127
One mans trash is anothers treasure.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 28 at 11:35 PM • permalinkUmm, mebbe I missed another comment on this issue, but just how does one appeal a guilty plea?
Posted by oldirishpig on 2007 03 28 at 11:42 PM • permalink#127 - National Living Treasures? The Lefties and Luvvies Who’s Who, more likely.
Posted by SwinishCapitalist on 2007 03 28 at 11:46 PM • permalinkGood news comes in three’s. First Hicks, then Slimefeld, then this:
Labor backbencher and former West Australian premier Carmen Lawrence is to resign today.
Sources say that Dr Lawrence will stand down and won’t contest this year’s federal election.
Staff at her Fremantle electorate office told AAP: “She’s not contesting the next election.’’
Dr Lawrence is expected to make an official announcement soon.
#117
Nope, y’all always refers to a plural. It might be said to an individual, ie. asking “what are y’all planning to do tonight” to a friend in reference to her going out w/ other people. You have to take the rest of the punctuation out or it just gets too confusing :) If it’s got an s on the end it’s a good indication it’s possessive, but you need to consider the context of the rest of the sentence.
To be honest, it’s kinda like understanding cricket. You just have to be born w/ it.
Posted by TattooedIntellectual on 2007 03 29 at 12:03 AM • permalinkLOL. Hypocrisy of the year award:
Plan to tackle illegal logging a vote ploy, says Labor.
Wayne Swan, come on down.
joe bagadonuts : re #123
Let’s put it this way - I could really relate to the whole Cylon sleeper concept thing. Transsexual people in denial can, they live their whole lives knowing, or suspecting THE TRUTH and then something happens, and “Oh Sh… I CAN’T be.... can I?”.
I know that feeling.
My bet? Kara Thrace is half Cylon. Just as the Chief’s child is… Now bear in mind there are 12 Cylon models. We’d already ID’d the public 7, but not the semi-mythical hidden 5. Well, now we know 4 of them. The Question is, who are the Gods of Kobol?
Well, it makes a change from discussing the foetid Talitubby.
RE: Southern Grammar
2nd Person Singular: y’all
2nd Person Plural: y’all (except if addressing all members of a group with a single statement/question. ex:’all y’all want sweet tea?’)Like ‘data’ and ‘moose’ it has the same form in singular and plural, adding an ‘s’ to the end always indicates possessive.
Tune in tomorrow when we address the proper use of ‘fixin to’.
#130/#131
One cannot appeal a guilty plea, but after conviction one can make application to have the guilty plea set aside and replaced with a not guilty plea. The most often used ground is incompetence of defence counsel. If a court switches pleas, then the defendant goes back to trial.
One can appeal the severity of the sentence imposed after a guilty plea, but I understand that some such or other international convention or agreement prevents Dawood from doing this once he gets home.The prospect of all this happening to poor Dawood, with the need to replace defence counsel after having him branded incompetent etc etc etc thus prolonging his holiday in Gitmo is almost too delicious to contemplate.
Who will get the blame then? The US for appointing incompetent defence counsel no doubt.
There’s heaps more joy to be wrung out of this yet, but not for the cheer squad. For them it’s just shit sandwiches.
#148 - Yes. I believe he has never pro-created.
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 29 at 12:17 AM • permalinkOT - Pakistan have announced their new cricket coach. It’s Gladstone Small. Lets see ‘em strangle that bastard!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 29 at 12:44 AM • permalinkInfidel
Is that true? Monty Python couldnt have made that up.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 03 29 at 12:48 AM • permalink#153 - Nah! Just received it as a joke. What a classic!
What’s the worst thing to buy Gladstone Small for Xmas? A tie!
Posted by Infidel Tiger on 2007 03 29 at 01:00 AM • permalinkShame. Just too perfect. I shouldn’t expect they’re queuing up for the job.
Posted by pommygranate on 2007 03 29 at 01:04 AM • permalink#145 Zoe - You may be right, I’ve had my suspicions about her since season 1 but i can’t see how she could be half.
my other pet theory is that the ancestors of the twelve colonies were cylons made by humans on Kobol and driven away into space.
forgetting they were cylons,they developed cylons of their own ie ‘all of this has happened before’
On topic- Talitubby, priceless
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 29 at 01:21 AM • permalinkZoe—if you’re right, you’ve just added the term Cylondar to the lexicon…
Posted by richard mcenroe on 2007 03 29 at 01:32 AM • permalinkhow did Bart Cummings & Gai Waterhouse get the nod? ahead of Flummery?
Did anyone else notice La Kernot still making the cut?
Posted by anonymous guest on 2007 03 29 at 01:37 AM • permalink#146. I always thought that ‘data’ is plural and ‘datum’ is singular.
As for moose… mooses sounds good, but it’s like sheep and sheep.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 01:38 AM • permalinkWhile politics has always been about power, something I have noticed lately in the media is the increasing realisation that the principal and exclusive orientation of members of the Australian Labor Party and the Democratic Party in the US is pursuit of power. That’s fair enough but in the past they have been guided by some sort of ethics as well.
The years in the political wilderness have apparently eliminated this ethical base. How is this relevant to David Hicks? Well the fact that he has admitted guilt is not seen as a setback by the Left. He will be forgotten and another tool take his place. There will be no apologies or inquests. Hicks is gone, he should look for about as much support from the left as Schappelle Corby (who?) gets from the tabloids today.
Quadrella!
1.Mo Dawood makes “guilty” plea, admits being a terrorist, lefties like stunned mullets.
2. Baldy Garrett steps on it in Parliament, KRuddy’s teeth ground to stumps.
3. “Slimey” Einfeld nabbed by the wallopers for 13 charges of perjury and perverting the course of justice, lefties now double stunned mullets.
4. Carmen “Can’t Remember” Lawrence rides off into the sunset and well deserved oblivion. Lefties wailing and tearing out hair.I’m a happy little RWDB.
Posted by Pedro the Ignorant on 2007 03 29 at 02:07 AM • permalinkrwdb I literally had to look that up.
I thought it stood for real world denizen badge. My bad.
oh yes, that carmen should fade as quickly as possible. I have the greatest respect for the mother of her victim. Reminds me of that other star, Kernot. urgh!
#162 The purpose of these leftist outrages is to expedite the return of so-called progressives to governance in Australia and the United States. Take climate change. Talk about your carbon credits, the PM has announced a $200 million contribution to a planned worldwide fund for the re-forestation of South-East Asia - apparently one of the world’s worst regions for the depletion of our brothers, the trees. It may be bigger and more efficacious than Kyoto when other countries with whom Australia is negotiating (including Germany, Britain and the United States) sign on.
The left’s response:
Greens slam PM over forest fund.
$200m plan not enough, says Garrett.These people are despicable.
#164 Pedro the ignorant. Really great isn’t it. They have not got enough spin docs/propagandists to cover this lot, accept maybe the ABC and Fairfax.
#165 Habib. After the Easton affair, I have always maintained this ‘person’ was riding for a cropper and I think it is about to dump on her and the ALP, so she has taken a powder for the federal comrades, as is the norm for this lot.#107 That was my impression from my visits to Texas. Y’all take now :-)
Posted by Wimpy Canadian on 2007 03 29 at 04:37 AM • permalinkRed Kezza’s promising a leaked document detailing the effects of global warming on Australia tonight (we’re all in the same time zone now on the east coast right?)
hold your noses and watch the spin
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 29 at 05:16 AM • permalinkNic
Thanks for that news, she was appointed by a certain Mr Burke to be incharge of the WA Inc cover up when he left parliment. Not that I would ever believe for a moment she would have had any other connection to him....
I know a bloke who shagged her when she was living in Moora as a girl. The poor bloke never recovered and is a strung out drug abusing hippie today.Lets not forget her important contributions to Australias leading Blog!!!
Posted by thefrollickingmole on 2007 03 29 at 05:27 AM • permalinkAnd now for your amusement, the morons over at GetUp have a blog where we can all sing kumbaya for the Talitubby.
Habib, you are gold.
Sample bleats:
Thursday, 29 March 2007
The GetUp statement has accurately summed up this travesty of justice. When David Hicks is finally returned to Australia, he should be immediatly released, regardless of any sentence passed by the U.S. military court. He and his family have suffered enough.Thursday, 29 March 2007
Well done GetUp, keep the pressure on. Hicks’ ordeal is beyond belief from 2 “civilised” societies. His capitulation into a guilty plea is so, so very understandable. He was an adventurist lad who took “the wrong fork in the road”, but boy, the price he is paying is just so out of proportion.The torment Terry Hicks has had to endure for 5 years as a father must have been excrutiating, made worse by the verbal negative posturing of Howard. Howard is a father, and being able to ignore and brush off Terry for so long, highlights exactly the sort of uncaring man he truly is, and now the public can see it. Too late for bandaids John, you shot your own foot.
GetUp has set a path for the next major Howard embarassment. “Christmas Island is a “Guatanamo” by just another name and all that name stands for. Another Bush, initiative being followed by the letter by Howard & Co. We Ozzies do not like our country to be seen that way.
Thursday, 29 March 2007
GetUp’s campaign and supporters have helped to shore up our plummeting credibility internationally. The David Hicks “trial” is nothing less than an Australian adoption of Stalinist show trial methodology and lasted somewhat longer than similar ones conducted by the tyrant Hussein. Looks like he won’t be taken out and shot...we shld be deeply and practically irredeemably ashamed of everything associated with this offensive farce save his lawyers’ efforts, partic. those of Major Mori.That’s just to whet your appetite, although there are some wonderful voices speaking out against this blather.
Go read and enjoy :)
And add to the clamour to Free Hicks! (wtih every Prius sold)Oh, and just to balance out the moonbattery:
Thursday, 29 March 2007
Could it be that Abu Muslim Austraili pleaded guilty because he finally acknowledged the evidence against him is so strong? Abu and his defence team have all along refused to enter a plea. That is why he was held in prison for so long. It was all a delaying tactic designed to fool sad dupes like Getup and get sympathy for his ‘plight’. At the tribunal the fool again refused to enter a plea and there was an ajournment. Someone with a bit of sense must have had a word in his ear for then he changed the plea to guilty. If Abu had pleaded guilty five years ago he would be coming back to Australia a free man soon.
Oh yes, and Abu was so badly treated in Gitmo too- TORTURED!!!!!!. Must have been force fed all that good food to make him put on weight.
Why did Getup never use his real name? (after all Hicks did change it himself). Just another part of the campaign to make out he was just a poor misguided lad from Adelaide. After this lowlife serves his term he should be handed over to India, so they can charge him with attempted murder for shooting at Indian soldiers from Pakistan.
A deadbeat dad who deserts his child, trains how to kidnap and murder and goes off to kill in the name of religion. Yes, that sounds like the sort of person the left would embrace. And John Howard is so uncaring....YAY!
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 05:42 AM • permalinkGet a load of this waffle from the SWAT Womble:
“On the question of the detail of what Mr Hicks has pled and what response will be delivered to that in terms of the next stage of the legal process on the settlement of the facts and on the determination of any sentence and on the application of any appeal process, let alone the application of the International Prisoner Transfer Agreement which might flow from that, these are all delicate processes still to be worked through.”
Posted by Young and Free on 2007 03 29 at 05:56 AM • permalink#182, it doesn’t bode well that a lot of the ALP State Premiers who keep getting re-elected are exactly like Rudd: vapid, nerdy, waffly, whiney, spineless dipshits.
Posted by Art Vandelay on 2007 03 29 at 07:44 AM • permalinkWhere is Tim?
Is he swanning around some speedway, watching action?
Is he taking the little car out for a test drive to see that little (e)S-car-go(t)?Come back, Tim - it’s been 24 hours, and you didn’t leave us anything to keep us out of mischief!
(I feel a party coming on....)
#181 I’m not strangely named. Just a bit backward.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 07:46 AM • permalink#180- krudd is yet another prolix pseudo-prole
Posted by eeniemeenie on 2007 03 29 at 08:20 AM • permalinkHoward calls for a sensible approach to climate change during the visit of Nicholas Stern.
So what happens - in an election year?
Scaremongering revenge:
Climate change report predicts grim future for Aust:
A leaked report by the United Nations Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change paints a devastating picture of Australia’s future.
The document obtained by the ABC’s The 7.30 Report says the average coastline temperature could rise by up to 3.4 degrees by 2050 and by more than 6 degrees by 2080.
It also predicts bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, more frequent fires, droughts, floods and storms, and a further dwindling of streamflows in the Murray-Darling Basin.
I expect all lefties to condemn this foreign interference in Australia’s domestic political affairs.
Good luck with that, CL.
And Kae, I don’t know what my pron name is. I’ll have to have a looksee if I can find one.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 08:42 AM • permalinkNew idea alert!
How to save Australia from all the Glerbul Wyrmening crap.
Al Gore is an American.
Global Warming Scare is just more American hegimonic emperialism telling Aussies what to do and how to do it.
There is no Global Warming, it’s all a CIA conjob/conspiracy.
All the meja talking heads that spout the GWS propaganda are paid by the US-Israel cabal.
#199 Considering my first two pets’ names were Sambo and Rags it’s not looking good for me.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 06:53 PM • permalinkCoimadai off the top of my head.
Pretty tragic stuff, I know.
Posted by Nilknarf Arbed on 2007 03 29 at 08:54 PM • permalink202: Mine would be Pepper Maplewood?
Judas, that actually sounds like a pr0n star’s name.
Elizabeth
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I seem to recall Rudoph Hess spent 6 years in a cell before he was charged and follow his trial he spent the rest of his life in goal. Until such time as he topped himself.
I think he would make a good role model for young Mahmood Dawood. I hear Hess put on weight too.