CORBY'S SENTENCE "HARSHEST OF ALL"

Endy M. Bayuni, chief editor of The Jakarta Post, reports:

Corby was found guilty of attempting to smuggle 4.1 kilograms of marijuana through the Denpasar airport in October. Compare her verdict with what other foreigners have received in Bali, and one has to admit that she has had the harshest punishment of all when compared to other similar cases.

A Mexican woman who smuggled 15.22 kg of marijuana received only a seven-year prison term in December 2001. An Italian man was sentenced to 15 years in July last year for attempting to smuggle 5.3 kg of cocaine, a much more dangerous drug. Corby did not smuggle cocaine and the amount of marijuana she was accused of smuggling is far less than what the Mexican woman brought in. Yet, she got a harsher sentence.

Looking back, one cannot help get the feeling that Australia’s media hype in covering Corby’s trial almost became a self-fulfilling prophecy on Friday. Even in finding her guilty, there was no reason for the judges to hand down such a harsh penalty, and even less so for the prosecutors to demand a life sentence in the first place. One can only conclude from here that both the judges and the prosecutors have been influenced by what was happening outside the court.

One might also conclude that a legal system so easily influenced is a crap legal system. Australian lawyers also blame the press for spooking defensive Indonesian judges:

Schapelle Corby could have got a better result had there been less media hype, said a QC who may help with her appeal.

Perth-based barrister Tom Percy, QC, said he had no doubt the 27-year-old was innocent, and blamed the media circus for putting pressure on the case …

Barrister Jon Davies, junior counsel to Mr Percy, also told ABC radio today that Corby was very probably innocent.

Mr Percy said: “I have no doubt at all that other people have got better results over there because the whole matter was kept a lot quieter.”

And the judges’ verdict, said to be provoked by media attention, is one we’re meant to respect?

Posted by Tim B. on 05/30/2005 at 12:48 PM
    1. So, Mr. Percy thinks justice is more likely to be done when legal proceedings take place in a sound-proof, windowless environment, with everyone keeping mum? This is too close to the “please don’t touch the koran” approach of diplomacy to suit me. I hadn’t ever given a thought to traveling to Indonesia, but now I’ve got an iron-clad reason not to.

      Posted by paco on 05/30 at 01:59 PM • permalink

 

    1. What we need is a return to the Star Chamber!

      Posted by Aaron – Freewill on 05/30 at 03:12 PM • permalink

 

    1. If Corby did attempt to smuggle the weed into Indonesia then the authorities can do whatever they wish to her, it’s their country. Don’t try to run weed or coke into Mexico, take hash out of Turkey or heroin into Pakestan.

      Don’t do stupid things in backward third world countries, especially if said population in country is predisposed to riot, maim and kill after rumor of the KKKoran being flushed down a toilet.

      Posted by 13times on 05/30 at 04:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. Media attention and hype invariably influence the legal process, particularly trial by jury. 

      O J Simpson was one memorable example.

      With Corby much of the hype seemed to be generated or influenced by the Corby team.  Even today Ruddock criticised the media and family hype only to be flamed by ‘gold coast businessman’ Bakir who said ‘I’m tired, I cant take this shit any more’

      Posted by rog2 on 05/30 at 05:19 PM • permalink

 

    1. Does the fact that a Mexican woman was caught 15.22kg of mull into Indo indicate to the more…shall we say…sensible Corby conspiracy theorists that there is a market for foriegn weed in that country?

      I’d be interested in knowing what the plea for each of these people was.  If it were guilty, then that would explain the differing sentence.

      Posted by murph on 05/30 at 05:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. Corby might be innocent but look , that’s why your mom always told you to stay away from bad neighbourhood .. somehow he was caught attempting to smuggle

      Posted by Rain on 05/30 at 06:09 PM • permalink

 

    1. Ruddock had it right, that all these people trying to get on TV supporting Corby are a bit sickening – Ron Bakir most of all. By some media accounts he has squandered the move to set up a $1m reward for information on corrupt baggage handlers and now flies into Denpasar to get his face on TV, doing nothing else by all accounts.

      I think you’re wrong Tim – our legal system would probably run a case that much more rigorously and any judge be that much more determined not to show leniency if several hundred journalists from Indonesia are camped outside the courthouse demanding that we release an Indonesian who has smuggled drugs into Australia.

      Of course I realise that the flaw in my argument here is that Australian courts treat drug use, possession and trafficing so weakly that a foreign country wouldn’t have to do anything. Our own drug dealers are set loose on suspended sentences all the time.

      Perhaps it is this insane tolerance of narcotics that causes young Aussies like Corby or the ‘Bali Nine’ to assume that the risk/return for drug running makes it worth a go.

      Posted by Adam on 05/30 at 06:20 PM • permalink

 

    1. insane tolerance

      Yeah, right Adam. We should start executing them here so they get used to it.

      Posted by The on 05/30 at 06:27 PM • permalink

 

    1. 13times and Rain put the argument from agaraphobia: everyone, just stay at home. That’s what Daily Kos was saying about the contractors murdered in Fallujah. If they didn’t want to be killed by terrorists they should have remained state-side. Nichoas Berg? Should have stayed at home. The Coalition of the Willing taking casualties you say? Should have stayed at home.

      Posted by C.L. on 05/30 at 08:43 PM • permalink

 

    1. While I suspect that Corby is guilty, I think the sentence is a disgrace especially when compared to 2.5 years for Abu Bakar Bashir’s connivance in the deaths of 200 people.
      I’ve never been to Bali and I’m never going.

      Posted by Mick Gill on 05/30 at 09:15 PM • permalink

 

    1. perhaps, like the Israelis who swapped 400 terrorists for the body of one dead airforce pilot, Australia will be able to swap Corby for a bunch of Indonesian fishermen.

      Posted by davo on 05/30 at 09:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. Of course all courts are inflenced by media hype – look at Michael Jackson. Everyone in his case is trying to be a star, get their 15 seconds of fame riding on Michael’s back.
      No judge will be immune – lawyers have huge egos and take themselves too seriously.And I agree with Adam, part of the hysteria about Corby is because she was only caught with weed (hashish would have been different) and we all smoke it any way don’t we, and it’s harmless any way, well isn’t it? Why aren’t these foreign countries as liberated as us about drugs?

      Posted by mr magoo on 05/30 at 09:21 PM • permalink

 

    1. I still don’t get how even legal experts can “have no doubt” she’s innocent. Only Corby and maybe some family members know for sure.

      For me, I can’t get past the sheer size (and perfect boogie-board shape) of the bag of drugs. Planting that would have been well nigh impossible!

      And do all four customs officers have a motive to lie about her actions when her bag was inspected?

      Posted by Big Johnny on 05/30 at 09:39 PM • permalink

 

    1. A number of issues about the Corby case disturb me:

      a) there has been much discussion about motive and I’ve heard many times that it makes no economic sense to export marijuana from Australia to Indonesia. On the other hand, the SMH reported that there is a lucrative market amongst visitors in Bali for Australian marijuana bought from visitors because of the risk of being set up for arrest when buying from locals. A key fact then, that goes to the issue of motive, is whether the marijuana that was found in Corby’s luggage is Australian. Forensic testing should be able to establish this, yet I’ve heard and read nothing on this issue. Was such forensic testing carried out? If so, what does it show?

      b) in the judgement given, the chief judge directed that physical evidence now held by the Balinese police was to be destroyed. He specifically mentioned the 4.1Kg of marijuana. Given there will be appeals, why was this direction given? Has anything been done to prevent such destruction of evidence (or is it too late)?

      c) I’ve been on the end of hearsay a couple of times to the effect that QANTAS has a videotape that shows Corby in either Brisbane or Sydney placing a package in her boogie bag. This may just be malicious gossip, but has anyone specifically questioned Geoff Dixon (CEO of QANTAS) on this point?

      Posted by kywong73 on 05/30 at 10:46 PM • permalink

 

    1. The other issue about the media is that when one shock jock takes up a cause passionately, the others have to oppose it, in order to differentiate themselves. Thus in Sydney, 2GB is gung ho for Corby’s innocence, with all prsenters toeing the Alan Jones’ line; while on 2UE, Carlton, Price et al are questioning her innocence and decrying the anti-Indonesian hysteria. Same goes in Melbourne, with Derryn Hinch promoting the guilty case.

      You simply choose the station that taking your line on the case.

      Posted by mr magoo on 05/30 at 11:06 PM • permalink

 

    1. #14:

      (a) Of course the marijuana is Australian, where else would it come from? Neither the prosecution nor defence has tried to claim differently.

      (b) I’m not an expert on the Indonesian legal system, but here appeals cannot challenge the established facts of the case unless new evidence is being introduced. That being the case, the evidence is no longer required.

      (c) Sounds like gossip to me.

      Posted by ChrisV on 05/30 at 11:18 PM • permalink

 

    1. #16

      a) The point of a forensic examination is to establish the source of the marijuana. Until such an examination is performed, the source is unknown.

      b) If the marijuana has not been examined to establish source, then its destruction will, ipso facto, destroy new evidence.

      c) me too… but it’s a worry that I’ve now heard it several times from very different groups of people.

      Posted by kywong73 on 05/30 at 11:45 PM • permalink

 

    1. kywong73

      You can guarantee that if evidence of this nature is untested then it is uncontested.  Either that or the defence is completely incompetent – which is not out of the question here.

      Posted by murph on 05/31 at 12:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. Seems the media had a larger impact on the case then I’d previously thought. Still, they’d be used to murdering people and destroying lives by now, I’m sure Corby won’t phase them in the least.

      Posted by Aging Gamer on 05/31 at 12:13 AM • permalink

 

    1. I don’t know whether this girl is guilty or not as the case hasn’t had the same coverage here in Jakarta that it has in Oz (hardly surprising, “Convicted Drugs Dealer Avoids Death Penalty” is hardly front page news). But I do know that every time I go to Bali I see dozens of Aussie surf bums who seem to be in a permanent state of zombification. However every time someone is pinched with a load of gear in their boogie bags we hear screams of ‘fit up’ and the big bad Indonesians get the blame evry time.

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 12:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. I suppose my biggest gripe about this whole episode is the attitude of so many Australians to Indonesia. I remember when I was in Oz I got the impression that Indonesia was some great brooding presence to the north menacing all that Australia holds dear. Until I came here I assumed the same, but it couldn’t be further from the truth. Indonesia is a shambolic, hotch potch of islands with endemic corruption and poverty, but the people themselves are extremely easygoing friendly people. Don’t be taken in by the “nice” Balinese versus “nasty” Javanese either, that’s just a cutesy marketing ploy by the Balinese. They are all very open to the west and welcoming, particularly towards Aussies, a feeling that is certainly not reciprocated.

      There’s one thing that is sure to change laid back, ‘Fair go’ Aussies into purple faced Colonel Blimps and that is Indonesia. Here in Jakarta thousands of Brits, Yanks and heck even Japs live and absolutely love the place, remember these are not limp wristed NGO types but rufty tufty oilmen who know how to have a good time. To be fair so do the vast majority of Aussies here, but if I hear a loud, hectoring voice berating some unfortunate local in English then ten to one it’s with an Australian accent. I really don’t understand it, Aussies seem to have a complete personality change when they come here.

      Frankly from what I see of the Australian tourists in Bali; mullet headed Brads in Beer Bintang tank tops and hair braided big arsed Brendas with their belly button rings and bad sunburns, Bali would be immensely improved by a boycott!

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 01:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. Harry Flashman – I think a lot of Aussies are outraged by the discrepancy between the sentence given to Bashir (two and a half years for planning the murder of hundreds of innocent people) and the 20 year sentence handed down to Corby – which I believe is far in excess of the sentences handed out to other foreigners. Personally, I think her legal team should also get 20 years for their ineptitude in handling the case.

      I dont think the Balinese agree that the island would be improved by an Australian boycott – after the Bali bombing, they begged us to come back.

      BTW – is the Lady Elsbeth accompanying you in Jakarta (“Stunnin’ gal, that!”)

      Posted by dee on 05/31 at 01:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. Australia is to Bali as England is to Spain, the worst of the worst have their holidays there.

      Posted by Aging Gamer on 05/31 at 02:15 AM • permalink

 

    1. And do all four customs officers have a motive to lie about her actions when her bag was inspected?

      This is a nothing argument. Here in WA (Australia) we have had at least 5 people released or pardoned by the Supreme Court after serving up to 15 years. They were fitted up and/or verballed. And going by the court reports of the police activity involved it seems the corrupt police motivation to lie and perpetuate those lies for nearly 20 years in numerous appeals and court appearances was simple convenience and laziness.

      Posted by Dean McAskil on 05/31 at 02:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. I really don’t understand it, Aussies seem to have a complete personality change when they come here.

      Maybe Australians don’t like our citizens being blown up for their hair-styles and belly button rings. Or our young journalists being murdered during the blitzkrieg of East Timor.

      We fixed the latter problem, by the way, not your “rufty tufty oilmen.”

      Posted by C.L. on 05/31 at 02:27 AM • permalink

 

    1. One of the moonbat arguments that kept surfacing at the time of the Coalition moving into Iraq was along the lines of, “Well if YOU support the war, why don’t YOU join up and fight!”.

      In this spirit, some of the Shapellites have formed the Schapelle Army. I wonder if amphibious landings are in the planning? Another D-Day on the way?

      While the food wouldn’t be of the same standard as might be found in France at least the knock-off T-shirts are cheap.

      Posted by kisdm001 on 05/31 at 02:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. fair dinkum, the vultures are circling

      Posted by murph on 05/31 at 02:47 AM • permalink

 

    1. Jeez CL, you like to draw a long bow dont you?

      You need to spend some time away from the ‘puter, there is another world out there you know, parallel universe even.

      Promise I wont laugh at your skinny white legs (giggle)

      Posted by rog2 on 05/31 at 03:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. Many Australian remember the days of Sukarno, when they were expansionist and threatening.
      Indonesia does not belong in West Timor or East Timor.
      Indonesia certainly does not belong in West Papua (or west irian as they say) and their invasion of it in the 1960s is still a major wrong awaiting correction. They are flooding in there, and have murdered the independence leader and many others fulfilling a similar role to that played by Fretilin in East Timor.
      Indonesia probably does not belong in various islands of the archipelago but will continue to exert sovereignty over them as a result of the inheritance of what? Is it some sort of legitimacy attached to the former European states which administered them?
      Indonesian has in the past not been as cooperative about people smuggling as they could have been. Islamic states are far too welcoming of arab muslims and probably have too little control over foreign troublemakers.
      Indonesia has been seen by many Australians as failing to deal with Abu Baka Bashir. As a result of his teachings and flowing from his organisation (which Indonesia at first tried to say did not exist), there have been attempts to set up radical mosques in Australia. There was one in Sydney which they targetted but failed to take over.
      It is no wonder that we continue to regard them with suspicion. Islam has a really bad image, and we are continually reminded that it it bad to have islamic neighbours. Just ask Thailand.

      Posted by blogstrop on 05/31 at 03:34 AM • permalink

 

    1. What’s the bet that in about three months time there are some el primo Australian buds for sale in Kerkoban.

      By the gram.

      Posted by Ellebeau on 05/31 at 04:04 AM • permalink

 

    1. I agree with Harry Flashman (I have done so since I start reading him as a kid and I continue to do so here today). Truly I don’t get Tim’s and C.L.s position here.

      What Tom Percy is trying to suggest as politely as he can is Shapelle’s family are stupid, loud mouthed, foul mouthed, culturally insensitive hickville bogans who should shut up if they want to see their daughter in Australia again.

      I heard on the news this morning that Shapelle all too late has figured this out for herself.

      Posted by James Hamilton on 05/31 at 04:12 AM • permalink

 

    1. Neil Mitchell weighs in. He seems persuaded of her innocence.

      Posted by walterplinge on 05/31 at 04:19 AM • permalink

 

    1. C.L., I’ll have to second rog2 here…you really ought to take a few steps back from the subject for a couple of days; your recent posts are drifting into hyperbolic Andrew Sullivan territory, and the sheer weakness of your arguments is becoming quite hard to overlook for those of us who are used to your usual levelheadedness. The grandiose moral righteousness doesn’t help either.

      Posted by PW on 05/31 at 04:32 AM • permalink

 

    1. I don’t know anything at all about the Indonesian legal system, but here, in the States, the case could be overturned on appeal and sent back for a new trial, at which all the evidence would be needed.

      Posted by mouseman5 on 05/31 at 06:31 AM • permalink

 

    1. From what I’ve read here, Indonesia is to Australia what Mexico is to the US: a great place for a cheap, nearby getaway to fun in a foreign land, but if you get in trouble there your ass is grass; our government, for a variety of reasons, won’t lift a finger to help you. That’s one of the many reasons I’ve never had the slightest inclination to visit Mexico.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 05/31 at 06:48 AM • permalink

 

    1. Neil Mitchell is a media slut.  What else do you expect?

      Posted by murph on 05/31 at 07:10 AM • permalink

 

    1. Hiya blogstrop, hey you got the argument to beat all when it comes to Indonesia; “East Timor”, it’s always a winner no one can argue against that we just walk away in dejected humiliation. You go further though; West Timor and Irian Jaya, hey why stop there? What about Acheh? North Sulawesi, South Kalimantan, let’s just break up the whole damn country and surround Australia with hopelessly corrupt, poverty stricken, basket case, failed statelets, that would be a brilliant idea.

      There is no doubt that from early on after independence the Indonesians adopted a robust approach to consolidating control over the disparate islands of the archipelago. This ranged from war with the Brits in Borneo (they lost), rigging the poll in Irian Jaya (I’m glad they did they’re welcome to the place, do we really need Papua New Guinea Mark II?), railroading the Dutch in South Molluccas and the downright invasion of East Timor.

      The point is the invasion was in 1974, they pulled out in 1999 (and by the way CL, it was rufty tufty Aussie diggers and not NGO’s that sorted that out). The Indos got their clocks cleaned over East Timor and rightly so, but now they fully recognise and accept Timorese independence it’s over already, yesterday’s issue, time to move on.

      I agree with dee that Bashir’s sentence was a joke but at leats the bastards that were nailed in Bali are on death row and that’s good enough for me.

      Hey James Hamilton, you like many other use the term ‘bogan’ it’s new to me I assume it’s a term for good fernuthin’s , thus joining ‘hooligan’ and ‘larrikan’ as Irish surnames to descibe ne’r do wells. Quite right too, those fenian, Paddies should all be soundly flogged not a good’un among ‘em, now I’m off into the Batavian fleshpots to whistle up some doe eyed, raven haied houris to ply with liquor and…oh, sorry I slipped into my Flashy mode there.

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 07:35 AM • permalink

 

    1. #33, PW, ditto for me as well.

      Posted by Nic on 05/31 at 07:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. Letters to the Herald Sun editor as published – raise an eyebrow: Seaford, Narre Warren, Rye, Bittern, Cerberus Naval Base, Frankston South and similar choice locales.

      The smackhead/dopehead population of this city are obviously immune to such intelligent observations of another letter writer who challenges: ‘If you you support Scapelle and use marijuana – or have done so – you are supporting the cowards who put her there.’

      Posted by ilibcc on 05/31 at 08:53 AM • permalink

 

    1. People, people, here’s what’s going to happen. Corby’ll be out in 6 months. Come Dec 26th, the first anniversay of the Tsunami, the president of indonesia will proclaim a pardon in honour of the sterling efforts of the Australian nation in helping the indonesians. He’ll look presidental, to both nations incidentally.
      Please remember this case is a gift to the indonesian legal system. A white woman, stopped at ‘the door’ smuggling class A narcotics into the country. Stopped by custom officals and police, both ‘brillantly doing their jobs’, with no hint at all of corruption on their parts, with the legal system shown to be as impartial and hard on an Australian as any other national. This gives them moral authority that matches ‘ours’, particularly after the one billion dollar pledge and the naval personnel killed.
      Now the verdict has been given, and the world shown, that the indonesian system works, that Indonesia is NOT beholden to Australia and that Indonesia was a victim of outside criminals.
      Stage two will take place in six months, as I said.
      If I appear coldly cynical, well, maybe I am, but please, go back and read Tom Wolfe’s “The bonfire of the Vanities”.
      Interesting case of Life imitating Art.
      P.S. Harry Flashman, love your work. No way that bastard Doctor should have expelled you from Rugby for being drunk. Liked the way you made up for it by having it of with your father’s mistress. Am looking forward to reading your next installment of papers.
      BTW, you must be what, 183 or so now.

      Posted by Gerber on 05/31 at 10:18 AM • permalink

 

    1. Gerber #40:
      I thought no pardon could be given unless an application was made and given that an application cannot be made until the end of the appeals process that is some time away. There are also indications from the Corby legal team (talk about too many cooks in the kitchen in their legal team now) that Corby won’t submit a pardon as that would be admitting her guilt.I very much doubt a full pardon would be forthcoming this early on anyway. You need to think what a full pardon would do to the Indonesian President’s future electoral chances. I don’t think a pardon would go down very well with the Indonesian population at large given all the media attention to the case. Over the last 5-10 years, Indonesia has been increasing the penalties for drug-related offences – you know they were Indonesians protesting at Corby’s trial asking for the death penalty.

      What the Indonesian President is more likely to do is to reduce the sentence, possibly to say 5-7 years – Downer suggests this is the best approach for Corby as well.

      Posted by jayday on 05/31 at 10:49 AM • permalink

 

    1. North Sulawesi, South Kalimantan, let’s just break up the whole damn country and surround Australia with hopelessly corrupt, poverty stricken, basket case, failed statelets, that would be a brilliant idea.

      As opposed to one large, hopelessly corrupt, poverty stricken, basket case, failed state?

      now they fully recognise and accept Timorese independence

      Sure they do.

      You do realize that East Timor was one of the reasons given for the Bali bomb, don’t you?

      I agree with dee that Bashir’s sentence was a joke but at leats the bastards that were nailed in Bali are on death row and that’s good enough for me.

      Yeah, who cares if the financer, planner, and instigator is free to strike again? So long as the cannon fodder gets punished!

      Pull your head out. The lack of oxygen is beginning to show.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 05/31 at 10:56 AM • permalink

 

    1. Jeez never realised how many other fans there are out there! The latest Flashman was released a couple of months ago, “Flashman on the March”. I’ve just finished reading it. I thought that given the way standards had slipped a bit with the last couple that this wouldn’t be great but it’s actually ok, not a classic but given that George MacDonald Fraser must be pushing 80 now I was glad just to be able read one more of the Flashy series. Let’s be honest it’ll probably the last.

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 10:57 AM • permalink

 

    1. Aw Rob, sorry you just posted ahead of me so I missed it. So given the magnificent success of Papua New Guinea you think we should encourage the break up of Indonesia so that Aussie policemen and troops can be placed all over the shop trying to keep the peace instead of doing what we’re doing right now which is helping, assisting and developing Indonesia so that it can progress further down the democratic road and sort out it’s own problems for itself, seems like a no brainer to me but then the lack of oxygen could be taking its toll, blimey it’s dark up here.

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 11:05 AM • permalink

 

    1. My dad loved Fraser’s (sp?) Flashman novels. I read a few after he kept telling me how funny they were. I did agree, though at the time I thought the hero was a little too amoral for my teenage tastes. My dad also got me onto Dick Francis. I haven’t read either author in years, though.

      Posted by Andrea Harris, Administrator on 05/31 at 11:36 AM • permalink

 

    1. So given the magnificent success of Papua New Guinea you think we should encourage the break up of Indonesia

      Not necessarily. I just don’t think a unified Indonesia is necessarily better than the alternatives, particularly with the Indonesian government’s apparent blind eye—if not support—towards Islamic fascism.

      Posted by Rob Crawford on 05/31 at 03:44 PM • permalink

 

    1. So can anybody confirm whether or not the other convicted mules were dealt lighter sentences because they pleaded guilty?

      Posted by murph on 05/31 at 05:38 PM • permalink

 

    1. So Harry FLashman, how is Jakarta this year? I’ve been up several times over the years and love the place. I was up for the St Andrews Ball last year and was disappointed that The Eastern Promise after years of going down hill has finally gone. Also the Jaya Pub is not what it was when Felix was alive. But the new curry house next door to Club Azure is excellent. The Sportsmans is still with us I hope.

      I read an interview in The Spectator with GMF he is still full of beans. Don’t count him out just yet.

      Posted by James Hamilton on 05/31 at 10:17 PM • permalink

 

    1. Yes Sportsman’s still going well, but you know my proclivities so it’s not really surprising that I don’t hang out there so much, too many hale and hearty sporty types and they don’t allow in the sort of lady of which I’m inordinately fond. No I prefer the other bars in that street like My Bar and D’s Place for my version of erm, “eastern promise”. Jakarta’s a funny old place from one month to the next one place can be up and the other down, but rest assured there’s always a lot of fun happening – fundamentalist muslims my arse!

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 05/31 at 11:00 PM • permalink

 

    1. How come you Australians are still visiting Indonesia?  Have they not made it clear that they do not want your tourist dollars?  The Bali bombing, the pathetic response by the Indonesians to the tsunami (want to bet there are still canisters of aid sitting on the docks at Bandeh Aceh, waiting for their paperwork to clear?), now a twenty year sentence for smuggling weed?  Wake up Australia, hit them where it hurts: in the wallet.  They obviously don’t want Australians there, so oblige them.  And next time they beg you to come back (as after the Bali bombing), respond with an erect middle finger for ohhh… twenty or so years.

      Posted by Ed Minchau on 06/01 at 05:20 AM • permalink

 

    1. RE IRIAN JAYA
      Thirty-five years later, as Indonesia holds its first-ever direct Presidential elections, the international community has come to question the validity of Jakarta’s takeover of West Papua and the ongoing human rights abuses there. In March, 88 members of the Irish Parliament urged United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan to review the United Nations’ role in the 1969 Act of Free Choice, joining South African Archibishop Desmond Tutu and scores of non-governmental organizations and European Parliamentarians. On June 28, 2004, nineteen U.S. Senators sent a letter to Annan urging the appointment of a Special Representative to Indonesia to monitor the human rights situation in West Papua and the territory of Aceh.http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB128/

      Posted by blogstrop on 06/01 at 08:46 AM • permalink

 

    1. “Irish Parliament urged United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan to review the United Nations’ role in the 1969 Act of Free Choice, joining South African Archibishop Desmond Tutu and scores of non-governmental organizations and European Parliamentarians.”

      Crikey just when the victimised people of Aceh and West Papua think things can’t get worse. They can now kiss good bye to any useful assistance from sane people.

      Posted by James Hamilton on 06/01 at 09:51 PM • permalink

 

    1. OK Blogstrop, this is clearly a bugbear of yours so I won’t be able to convince you otherwise, Irian Jaya’s poll thirty five year’s ago might have been flawed though frankly given the primitive nature of it’s society then I’m not sure a perfect poll could have been held. So what are we going to do about it open up all the injustices of the past, maybe Aussies should do the same thing and hand back the country they stole from the Aboriginals, oops we really don’t want to go down that road now do we? Much better to criticize the nation building history of neighbouring brown people than to examine the flawless history of white people.

      As we’d say in Ireland you wouldn’t want to start from here, but here is where we are. There really is omly limited support for independence in the various outlying regions of Indonesia but of course they can all rely on the unquestioning support of western liberals who’ve never forgiven Indonesia for being led by Suharto and massacring the communists instead of doing what liberals always want poor people to do which is to surrender to them. How come no one ever demands that North Vietnam get out of South Vietnam, after all their take over of that country was much more brutal and illegitimate than anything done by Indonesia at the same time. Merely to ask that question is to show up the stupidity of the position.

      As I’ve stated earlier anyone who wants a second Papua New Guinea should go ahead, knock themselves out trying but I know what most sensible Aussies would think of such a proposition.

      Posted by Harry Flashman on 06/02 at 12:21 AM • permalink

 

    1. Heaven forbid that we should encourage the Indonesians to improve on their lot in life by emnbarcing democracy. The changes to the country in the last ten years have been amazing and despite my hatred of them after East Timor (I served there for 7 months) I am now beginning to have some respect for what has happened politically and democratically. No Indonesia is not perfect but as that scoundrel Flashy points out, there are a lot of things in Australias past which mean we should not throw the first stone.

      Posted by Bargearse on 06/02 at 10:16 AM • permalink

 

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